Posted on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 07:31 — by ROBOT
Today I received somewhat of a birthday present. While I don’t live in the West Coast’s Sin City (San Francisco), I was born there. (Before all of the hippies, sodomites and other various freaks moved there) The California State Court of Appeals struck down a law in the City of Sodomy that would have banned the sale and ownership of handguns and all ammunition.
The NRA successfully sought an injunction against the law’s enforcement in 2005. But regardless, the Sodomite City’s Board of Supervisors lead by Mayor Gavin (Gruesome) Newsom approved penalties consisting of a $1000 fine or 90 days to six months in jail.
This is a big, but possibly temporary win for the Second Amendment. As one person posted to the Ca-Firearms Yahoo group,“Socialists NEVER give up trying to control every aspect of life in the proletariat.†and that Gruesome Newsom and crowd can still appeal the ruling to the California State Supreme Court.
For now, I just accept this birthday present and the rare win against the anti-gun cowards.
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Another Second Amendment Victory
Today, by a unanimous 3-0 decision, the Washington D.C. Court of Appeals upheld the ruling of a lower court dismissing a lawsuit filed by the District of Columbia and nine families of gun crime victims against 25 gun manufacturers.
The court ruled that the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (and common sense), signed into law by President Bush (So he is good for something) required that the lawsuit be dismissed.
One would hope (at least I do) that the news over these past two days would have members of the Brady Center, Handgun Control (confiscation) Inc. etc. jumping out of windows.
Given the good Second Amendment news yesterday and today, one wonders if we'll get a third victory tomorrow.
Perhaps Michael Moore and or Rosie O'Donnell will choke to death on a Big Mac. :)
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michael moron is nothing but a worthless, fat Marxist bastard.
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You're a fool if you think you're getting the "truth" from michael moron. He's a millionaire because fools like you flock (like lemmings) to see his lying, propaganda pieces, and he's only respected by idiots.
Why shouldn't people be able to buy guns and ammo (I don't mean the magazine) at Walmart and K-Mart? (If Wal-mart were to have either, it would probably be a cheap, Red Chinese knock-off) Both are legal. And I don't care if everyone and his brother has a Barret or m-2. Of course few people own a Barret and fewer still own an M-2. by the way, have you ever heard of a crime being committed with either weapon?
But what can one expect from a fool who thinks michael moron is brilliant.
Know guns, know peace. No guns no peace.
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When did wealth become the measure of intelligence. Example #1 Paris Hilton,#2 Bitttney Spears, both of whom are what I would consider wealthy or were at one time.
Mr. Moore has a habit of portraying his view of an issue as pure and simple fact, I know for a fact that his film on the Columbine incident had interviews that were edited in such a way as to support his view. I have been in training courses with law enforcement officers who were there and were interviewed (under false pretenses) for the film, were edited in such a way as to change the context of what they said in the interview.
What most people fail to or will not admit is that it is not the gun that is bad but the person who uses it. My father and his father before him were raised around guns, they were tools of eveyday life, back then, they were in every household in rural areas, and quite a few in the cities too. So what changed is it access to guns now is easier or is it that the people who have access don't respect eachother or themself enough to know what will happen when you squeze the trigger.
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You call me a "gun nut" then snivel about name calling and insults. You're damn right i'm angry, when cowardly fools like you want to ban guns but don't want to punish criminals.
Case files? I'm betting you're a welfare worker and depend on criminals and their illegitimate offspring to make a living.
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Ahh. so you're with the Bastards A***** Traitors and Fascists. That explains everything.
Robot
Edited 1/11/2008 11:57 am by ROBOT
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I would have responded sooner, but I was converting my M-1 carbine to full-auto and repairing the silencer on my Welrod.
[Americans with your mentality are the reason I am up to my eyeballs in backed up case files.]
Perhaps your agency would have fewer case files if you only went after actual criminals rather than harassing legitimate gun dealers and trying to entrap legal gun owners (i.e Randy Weaver) and raiding harmless nuts (The Davidians) so you can get your budget increased. ‘Been to any “Good Ol’ Boy Roundups lately?
[The Constitution of the United States was also drafted long before Automatic weapons,High capacity magazines. high powered sniper rifles , and semi automatic pistols were developed. It was never imagined weapons would have evolved so quickly from the cap and ball types.]
And???
[The only premise for the ordinary citizen owning such weapons as assualt rifles was if we were ever invaded by a foreign Army we as citizens would organize local Militias to aid in our defense.]
The Second Amendment was written so that citizens would be able to defend themselves from a tyrannical internal government, NOT necessarily from outside invaders. Sitgaud also made a good point about the use of such weapons in cases of civil unrest. (Remember the Korean business owners during the Rodney King riots?)
[unless YOU or YOUR LOVED one gets shot by one you wouldn’t know any better.]
I prefer that my loved ones have the means to defend themselves.
[Common sense tells you which types "do not belong" - Semi automatic, gas operated , clip fed rifles DO NOT BELONG in Joe Citizen's hand - High capacity clips DO NOT BELONG in Joe Citizen's hands - .50 calibre sniper rifles DO NOT BELONG in Joe Citizen's hands - Semi- Automatic machine type pistols DO NOT BELONG IN Joe Citizen's hands –[…]]
(Technically, an M-60 is considered a light machinegun)
First off, I’m not impressed by what a Michael Moron supporter considers to be “common senseâ€. The weapons you mention are exactly the ones that should be in the hands of “Joe Citizenâ€. (Note the elitist attitude of this BATF jackbooter) Remember the phrase in the Second Amendment “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGEDâ€?
[I have found in my experience in the Military as well as my job are the people most facsinated with these types of weapons are the ones that are afraid to go into the Military for fear of being killed,]
Had you actually ever been in the military, you would know there are plenty of “gun nuts†in the military.
[Again, ill assume you have never served in combat so I would not expext you to begin to imagine the damage this type of ammunition does to human flesh]
Here’s a test to try out. Shoot yourself in the right leg with one of the guns you’re sniveling about, then shoot yourself in the left leg with a so-called “sporting†bullet and tell me if one hurts more than the other.
No go back to harassing kids with paintball guns. http://www.atfabuse.com/atfabuse-22.html
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[[…]but the constitution states ARMS, NOT FIREARMS and since they posessed firearms at the time of the signing they could have, upon their discretion made it to read "keep and bear FIREARMS"]
That has got to be the most amazing example of talking out of your [bleep] I’ve ever seen. Are you saying “arms†doesn’t mean firearms? While the founders weren’t excluding swords, anyone with common sense realizes they’re talking about firearms. Which of the Second Amendment restricts which “arms†can be owned?
[Lawlessness in America during the wild west changed Americas perception on gun ownership]
In reality, the “wild west†was much safer that it is today, and no guns were actually banned until the 20’s or 30’s.
[As far as Randy Weaver , that was FBI's gig not ours and it started out as a Tax issue[…]]
The Weaver incident started because an ATF INFORMANT entrapped him into cutting down a shotgun below the legal limit so that he could be coerced into informing on supremacist groups.
Weaver didn’t help his case, but the incident was started by the ATF.
[…we are Federal Officers much like Military men and women as well as local and state law enforcement Officers we follow orders….]
Isn’t that was SS soldiers said during Nuremburg?
[have you been to Iraq? I have, twice.]
I wonder on whose side. You seem to have more sympathy for Muslim terrorists than you do for American citizens.
[If you learn to think for yourself you may find we are all in the same boat]
True, a few as would-be masters, people like you as whip-holding overseers and the rest of us as rowers.
[Anyways, I hope you have gotten my point here, im not against you owning a firearm]
You’re a liar. To be more specific, you’re a damned liar. You think we should only own the guns YOU approve of, guns that won’t be a threat you and the other overseers.
That law-abiding gun owners as you say “WORRIES PEOPLE LIKE ME AND THOSE I WORK FOR’ is the BEST reason to own a gun.
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Edited 1/12/2008 6:01 pm by ROBOT
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You’re engaging in verbal gymnastics and not making any sense. While I have little to no use for the ATF, I’m beginning to doubt you’re really an agent.
You claim “arms†as mentioned in the Second Amendment isn’t necessarily limited to firearms, obviously not.
Basically, you’re agreeing with me that the right to “armsâ€, including swords, knives, brass knuckles and firearms to include semi and fully automatic weapons SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Then, for some reason you shift from a conversation about the Second Amendment to talking about ‘enforcing laws as writtenâ€. Presumably, you’re talking about federal, state and local laws.
Such laws, whether written rightfully or wrongfully (as most of them are) rarely use the term “arms†without speaking specifically about which weapon they’re referring to. So you jabbering about “arms†vs.“firearms†is just that, jabbering.
[Also regarding your alleged ban on firearms back in the late 1800's and early 1900's there were no such bans in place.]
I never said there were. YOU said gun bans started in the “wild westâ€. So are you now admitting you lied???
Regarding Weaver, if he “was known to sell illegal weapons†why no arrests or convictions? Regardless, entrapment is illegal.
I think your judgment is clouded by too much Michael Moron, moveon.org and Air America.
By the way, if anyone can make sense of his Second Amendment “arms†vs. “firearms†gibberish, let me know.
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What really scares me about would be overseers like inmemoryofrd is how they see anyone who doesn’t worship big(ger) government, “hates†the government and is therefore, an enemy to be destroyed.
Koresh was a nut. However, Texas authorities investigated the cult for child abuse and found credible evidence. Regardless, I was unaware the ATF had jurisdiction to enforce child abuse laws. I’ve never read the actual search warrant the ATF planned to serve on Koresh (or if they even had one), but I’m betting evidence of child abuse wasn’t one of the things they were looking for.
[Heres another scenario: You are at your son's grade school and a minor fender bender in the school parking lot becomes a standoff with two persons pointing pistols at each other?]
Even I’m surprised that in light of the evidence from “shall issue†jurisdictions, that you would bother to repeat the myth of “fender bender†and “road rage†shootings. The FACTS show that such shootings, as rare as they are to begin with, didn’t increase among people with carry permits.
[California has a serious gang problem, its home to more gang members than the entite Population of Georgia's largest city alone, Atlanta.]
Am I to assume all of the gang members doing the shootings have CCWs, or do you think CCW holders are being paid by gangs to do the shootings?
[What I dont understand and maybe never will is they can take your wives and they can take your children but ban a few guns and war has been declared, you are like children stomping your feet inside Toys-R-Us]
If we and our wives are armed, aggressors will have a hard time taking our wives and children from us. If anyone is stomping their feet like children, it’s overseers like you who want to take ALL of our guns and just haven’t been able to do it yet.
By the way, there’s a Gun Show at the Cow Palace this weekend. Should I assume you’ll be there to harass attendees like you people did in Richmond Virginia?
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I know you're a bit slow, but hating the ATF doesn't mean I hate the entire government.
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Gavin (Gruesome) Newsom
For the record, its Gavin Newscum just so you know.
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How many foreign tourists have been shot by people with CCWs?
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The problem with arguing with people like RD is they get pissed when the facts prove them wrong. That long rant in response to what I said proves my point.
In memory of, you obviously have no idea the procedure for purchasing guns or getting ccw's in shall issue states.
All your scenerios get blown out of the water by my article posting and it really pisses you off.
BTW, legal gun owners are only issued weapons after they pass a criminal backround test and ccw's usually require many hours of gun safety and training classes.
And your stupid scenerio about getting robbed and your stupid ranting, chances are, that punk thug is not going to take the chance of trying to rob me, why would he if thinks I might be packing too.
Now you on the other had have victim written all over you, mabe you should put some anti gun I love liberals sticker on your ride to let the ghetto thugs know your not packing.
Myself on the other hand have my NRA sticker on my ride, if your some punk, are you willing to take the chance?
As for the cops, they respond to crimes once they have been commited and do the cleanup work. I will protect myself and family by all legal means, by the time the cops come it's usually to late.
You can keep living in your democrat hallucination of Utopia, but guess what it's the real world and while you try to talk your way out of a crime with a gun involved, I do have my life insurance issued by Glock.
And if my time is up, then so be it, my family can retire and never have to work another day. Thanks to my other life insurance issued by state farm and several good investments.
Robot, when you argue with an idiot, it's hard to tell who the idiot is, just give them the facts and watch their heads pop. But, don't argue back, just facts, you know you got them when they explode. :)
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[Robot, when you argue with an idiot, it's hard to tell who the idiot is, just give them the facts and watch their heads pop. But, don't argue back, just facts, you know you got them when they explode. :)]
True eeemaan, but his rants lets people know the mindset of an ATF agent and remove any doubts about their true agenda being the banning of guns by legal citizens.
[I will not argue with you or your twin brother, ROBOT, its a waste of my time.]
But yet you subject us to two more mindless rants.
[Its not about legally owned firearms that increases the danger its turning the ordinary citizen into vigilantes in densely populated areas of states in and creates an unnecessary burdon on Police Officers. It creates issues of whos the agressor and whos the victim, who gets shot by Police and who doesnt.]
But yet, you can’t show any examples of and CCW areas where that has happened. How many CCW holders have been shot by police? Generally, when thugs attack they don’t do it in front of police. By the time police get to a scene, the only thing they have left to do is draw the chalk outline.
[Do you think Californians, who are already worried about the growing number of Mexicans now at what? 40%? Being able to legally apply for CCWs?]
Never mind the fact that in some area many violent crimes are done by illegal aliens, but are you really such an idiot (oohh, insults again!) that you think a CCW holder is going to say, “Hey, I’ve got a CCW. I think I’ll go shoot a Mexican�
[Childish rants and third grade insults only show people like me why we push for stricter gun laws so people like you and your brother, ROBOT have a more difficult time obtaining toys you both are obviously too immature to play around with.]
Now the truth finally comes out. RD isn’t really concerned about the guns in the possession of actual criminals. He wants to take guns from law-abiding citizens. I’ve never shot anyone that didn’t have it coming (in fact, no one period) and I’m betting Eemaan hasn’t either.
[I can laugh you two off because believe it or not I deal with people 10x as bad as you and your brother, ROBOT…]
Ever wonder how often an anti-gun puke will ramble on about how tough a gun owner isn’t, when I rarely hear a gun person claim to be tough. The one great thing about guns is that you don’t have to be “tough†to defend yourself.
Anyway, you may come to take guns from the wrong person and we’ll find out how “tough†you are. You may end up getting your [bleep] handed back to you worse than you did at Waco.
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In California, about the only way to get a CCW is to donate to the sheriff's re-election fund.
In absence of a CCW, people will simply carry without one.
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I don't know where he is now, but Jim March was a gun rights advocate who investigated the unfair and possibly illegal ways CCWs were being issued.
Jim found there were mostly given to people who donated to sheriff's re-election funds and that permits in Contra Costa County were being denied to people who live in the mostly Black areas of CCC.
I think I remember Jim saying he was denied a CCW after there were credible threats of violence against him.
Some of his findings are noted on his site: http://www.equalccw.com/expose.html
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[California is basically FED UP WITH GUNS AND THE VIOLENCE THEY CAUSE. Just because you know a few friends and their relatives sleep with guns between their legs I have numbers]
Yet you still refuse to show how many people with CCWs in California or anyother state have; been arrested for misusing their guns, been responsible for gang shootings, done and “vigilante†shootings or how many CCW holders have been shot by police in cases of mistaken identity, all of which you claim is the problem with CCW holders. Your failure to do show shows you’re a liar.
Also, I have yet to see any gun "cause" violence.
Edited 1/17/2008 3:17 am by ROBOT
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[I know it kills you because with a simple telephone call I can have your door broken down and have you thrown to your floor and humiliated in front of your family ,]
Try it and you may be in for a big surprise.
You comment shows why most people consider the ATF to be jack-booted thugs.
The four you lost a Waco was a good start.
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You pitiful fool, when have I ever said that I agree with Weaver McVeigh or Koresh?
An agency that can "....with a simple telephone call I can have your door broken down and have you thrown to your floor and humiliated in front of your family" simply because one of their members lost an argument on a newspaper message board is not only unnecessary, but goes against the ideas on which This Country was founded upon.
Thank you for proving my point about the ATF.
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[I can quote you if you like regarding Koresh and Weaver? It went somehting like "Poor, poor Weaver and Koresh were both victimized by the tyrannical rule of the ATF" Do you remember writing something like this in your initial response to me?]
No fool. I said that Weaver was entrapped, which is illegal for law enforcement to do (Not that I would expect an ATF stooge to believe that) and that Koresh, while a goofball, wasn’t bothering anyone.
I don’t agree with the Unitarians and I think UFO clubs are full of goofballs, I don’t think they should be entrapped and/or attacked because some government agency wants to grandstand in order to get more funding.
[you have not won a single debate here on ANY posting against anyone, even Asux beat you down more than once.]
Odd. The only one here who seems to believe you’ve won any arguments is A-sux, and an endorsement from him doesn’t give you much credibility.
[You and your brothers, Detainee, Asux and sister, Clayton are better off posting on boards in which you have some working knowledge, possible the autistic or bipolar boards]
You’re “name callingâ€, are you angry?
[My comment regarding the phone call was merely to prove how angry you are against those in authority and it kills you to think you can't simply run around and do as you please.]
There’s nothing wrong with anger if it’s for a good reason. Government lackeys who overstep their authority and trample on legal rights make me angry. Only a fool/coward wouldn’t be.
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You're not the first to suggest ignoring RD and I think that at long last I may take the advice.
"If you continue to argue with a fool, people may get the two of you confused"
I've even suspected RD may be a pro-gunner, posting just to make the ATF look bad(worse).