Have heard this many times from members of my group. I am wondering why this information was never disclosed at any community meetings set up to meet the candidates??
If Mr. Agopian is a Realtor and involved with the Section #8 rental housing gravy train, many in the East County dealing with problem section #8 rental houses in their new developments should think twice before voting for "Change" Touted as the candidate of CHANGE....hmmmmmmm That is not the kind of change most are looking for.
Many will vote for candidates with Fiscal experience, real business experience to get the counties deficit spending under control, in these difficult financial times....Mr. Nunn may be connected to developers but he also successfully ran a million dollar business, and has a law enforcement background "Tough on Crime" need I say more.
The alternative candidate has a liberal spend mentality tied into the failed public school systems where there is no fiscal accountability............... We need Supervisors that will slash budgets, tough enough to deal with public unions and savvy enough to deal with the many escalating problems in our County.
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
Since when are realtors the enemy? Gary Agopian owns 1 section 8 rental home which was not purchased as a section 8 rental but was only rented to the section 8 tenant after she had to move out of the home she was renting because her son died of brain cancer so she did not qualify for the large home she was living in. What we need is someone who tells the truth. Call up Gary Agopian and ask him about it he'll tell you honestly all about the one section home rental he has. Erik Nunn on the other hand has not been truthful about his police experience, he was not an Antioch Police officer but a reserve officer, and while he did serve during Desert Storm he did not serve IN Desert Storm (he was in Yuma, AZ), when asked point blank about being backed by developers at a debate (where he accused Federal of being backed by developers) he flat out stated that he was not accepting money from Seeno (just his nephew). He has also switched his political party in Feb. in a non-partisan race to get union backing (he said at a meeting in March the unions weren't backing him but his website says they are, truth??). He also told people he was being endorsed by Jack Roddy which was news to Jack (he's supporting Gary Agopian), and he claims he was the first to speak out against the prison re-entry facility. Check the records he was nowhere to be found, it was the Mayor, the Chief of Police, the city council, the chamber of commerce and yes the SCHOOL BOARD of which Gary Agopian is a member and the only candidate to speak against it at the BOS meeting. No Erik there...
I'm also curious how you believe Gary has a liberal spend mentality. He was one of those on the Melo Roos board to deny the increase request of funds for the community center.
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive poeple into thinking he's a police officer
and bring blight, crime and all the socio economic problems to our beautiful new housing developments. Why did Agopian never state that he was a realtor??, thats nothing to be ashamed of or <> Just the facts for the public record. As for the liberal mentality it has been my experience over several decades that those starting out on a School Board quickly move into being full time politicians wheeling and dealing and building their personal bank accounts. As a citizen I have participated in Audits of School Districts, I have seen the waste, fraud and abuses of taxpayer dollars............... Many School Districts are in a deficit position because of actions specific board members have taken while managing the District monies. I have seen this many times in both Oakland and in the WEST COUNTY. School Board Members becoming City Council members then creating new taxes for bloated unsuccessful social programs...that is the liberal mentality I am referring to.
Many in Contra Costa will be casting their votes for a successful business man that has <<<<>>>>>>>.......AND NOT JUST SPENT IT....."IE" THE TAX PAYERS MONEY. We need fiscally responsible Supervisors to lead our County, and keep the escalating costs in check. We need a strong individual to stand up to the unions, someone who will not capitulate..and waiver. The experience gained on a school board spending the taxpayers money..... does not in any way equal the running of a successful money making business.....nor successfully keeping county costs in check...and reducing fraud waste and abuse.
MANY WILL BE VOTING FOR ERICK NUNN....THE ONLY LOGICAL CHOICE FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY in these uncertain economic times!!!!!!!!!!
as for changing party affiliation, get over it, its not a big deal, people do it all the time...Flexibility is a positive attribute. Die hard party mentality, leads to cronyism, neoptism and a win at all cost mentality :}
FOCUS ON WHO WILL SLASH BUDGETS, AND MAKE DECISIONS TO REIGN IN WASTEFUL SPENDING IN OUR COUNTY......In a time of economic slowdown we need a SUPERVISOR THAT WILL DEAL WITH PROBLEMS, BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND MAKE FISCALLY SOUND DECISIONS WHEN SPENDING.........THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS.......
I enjoyed your post.
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
"Oh what a tangled web they weave when they set out to deceive"
Call me whatever name you wish. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing isnt it Drew, Andrew or Jim or James, or is it Robert this week??. Or does Freedom of Speech only apply to you and those of the same mindset????? We do not live in a Police State yet. :} I just loath HYPOCRITES.
If Supervisoral candidate Agopian is a realtor and owns Section 8# rentals, the good people of the East County need to know that.......Mr. Nunn has been demonized for changing his party affiliation, and not attending Quality of Life Forums....ya all cant have it both ways now.. It is what it is.
You and your wife Pat have been banging the drum for the last year regarding the section #8 problems, the Housing Authority, Rudy Tamayo and certain Supervisors curently in office, some outside of your District. You know better!! That makes you a HYPOCRITE. WHY NOT JUST LET THE ELECTORATE DECIDE WHO THEY WANT IN OFFICE. THE CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST..............
I guess you do not value the truth, I am only one of many messengers. Call me whatever you like, I and many, many others will be voting for the best candidates, those that are fiscally responsible, with real business experience and not indebted to special interests. Candidates that are capable of solving the escalating budgetary and spending problems within our County ......whether that person comes from Antioch, Oakley, Discovery Bay, or Brentwood. Party affiliation makes no difference to me of my family.
You'll need to do better than that :} Detective.......
So because of your past experience (or perceived experience) with shcool board members in other areas (Oakland and West County) you now make the assumption that Gary Agopian is thre same way. He's not hiding the fact that he's a realtor but rather e's emphasizing his leadership experience that he gained on the school board. Nunn is telling everybody he's a CFO, he does not have every job he's ever held on the ballot. As for not cow towing to unions, that is exactly what he's doing. Seeno did not support Federal again because Federal did not do what he wanted so now he's backing Nunn to get his foot back in the door of CCC politics and Seeno needs it, look at what Seeno's been doing in this county, legal and otherwise.
As for changing party affiliation within weeks of the election, yes it does make a difference. It shows that he cannot stand up for his principles and when issues come up he will switch to whatever he backers want him to do, and a large number of his backers are UNIONS. So with Erik's propensity to change his party affiliation and being backed by the unions before the election, what makes you think he'll stand up to them AFTER the election?
And if you look further at his school board service, with Gary's work and direction the school board is no longer under the care of a state appointed fiscal advisor.
Honey, my experience is not percieved it is very real, the Oakland School District went under State receivership after our public audit. What is your experience, spin mistriss.. So Antioch was under a state appointed fiscal advisor....>>>>enough said.
So did Agopian's backers tell him brush his occupation, and ownership of Section #8 rental properties under the rug? Hush, hush........ School Board Service is not the same as running a multi-million dollar business and actually making money, come on now. Its not even close, who are you fooling.... Most public school systems want to spend and spend even more taxdollars. More money is never enough..........And what about the CA Teachers Union?? are they backing or funding any local candidates?? Has Mr. Agopian taken any money from any Unions?????? Put it out there honey, inquiring minds want to know.
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
I don't want to interupt, but I do have a couple of questions, since I have not decided who to vote for, 1 when did all section 8 housing become bad, my practical experience has shown me that a good 60 - 70 % of people in section 8 housing are trying to better themselves, but everyone seems to focus on the bad. More often than not the "bad" portion of the section 8 housing is from "absent" landlords, who do not live anywhere near where the home is.
Regarding Mr. Nunn's resume, some of the items in there do not seem to fit, calling yourself a police officer when you were at no time a SWORN OFFICER, is an embelishment at best. A reserve officer is not a SWORN position, and by state law only has peace officer powers while in duty, it is a volunteer part time position, not a full time position.
I don't think that whatever candidate gets this position that things are going to change much, and it will be more of the same.
P5Ret - I've looked at Nunn's mailers and they state he was a "reserve police officer." His website states he was a "Level 1 reserve police office in the City of Antioch." To what resume do you refer where Nunn calls himself a "police officer"? Also, FYI Erik went through the Police Academy. The bottom line is he put his life on the line for the safety of the people of Antioch.
Here's the California Penal Code regarding Reserve Police Officers, etc.
California Penal Code PEN Section 830.6
(a) (1) Whenever any qualified person is deputized or appointed by the proper authority as a reserve or auxiliary sheriff or city police officer, a reserve deputy sheriff, a reserve deputy
marshal, a reserve police officer of a regional park district or of a transit district, a reserve park ranger, a reserve harbor or port police officer of a county, city, or district as specified in Section 663.5 of the Harbors and Navigation Code, a reserve deputy of the Department of Fish and Game, a reserve special agent of the Department of Justice, a reserve officer of a community service district which is authorized under subdivision (h) of Section 61600 of the Government Code to maintain a police department or other police protection, a reserve officer of a school district police department under Section 35021.5 of the Education Code, a reserve officer of a community college police department under Section 72330, a reserve officer of a police protection district formed under Part 1 (commencing with Section 20000) of Division 14 of the Health and Safety Code, or a reserve housing authority patrol officer employed by a housing authority defined in subdivision (d) of Section 830.31, and is assigned specific police functions by that authority, the person is a peace officer, if the person qualifies as set forth in Section 832.6.
The authority of a person designated as a peace officer pursuant to this paragraph extends only for the duration of the person's specific assignment. A reserve park ranger or a transit,
harbor, or port district reserve officer may carry firearms only if authorized by, and under those terms and conditions as are specified by, his or her employing agency.
(2) Whenever any qualified person is deputized or appointed by the proper authority as a reserve or auxiliary sheriff or city police officer, a reserve deputy sheriff, a reserve deputy marshal, a reserve park ranger, a reserve police officer of a regional park district, transit district, community college district, or school district, a reserve harbor or port police officer of a county, city, or district as specified in Section 663.5 of the Harbors and Navigation Code, a reserve officer of a community service district that is authorized under subdivision (h) of Section 61600 of the Government Code to maintain a police department or other police protection, or a reserve officer of a police protection district formed under Part 1 (commencing with Section 20000) of Division 14 of the Health and Safety Code, and is so designated by local ordinance or, if the local agency is not authorized to act by ordinance, by
resolution, either individually or by class, and is assigned to the prevention and detection of crime and the general enforcement of the laws of this state by that authority, the person is a peace officer, if the person qualifies as set forth in paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of Section 832.6. The authority of a person designated as a peace officer pursuant to this paragraph includes the full powers and duties of a peace officer as provided by Section 830.1. A transit, harbor, or port district reserve police officer, or a city or county reserve peace officer who is not provided with the powers and duties authorized by Section 830.1, has the powers and duties authorized in Section 830.33, or in the case of a reserve park ranger, the powers and duties that are authorized in Section 830.31, or in the case of a reserve housing authority patrol officer, the powers and duties that are authorized in subdivision (d) of Section 830.31, and a school district reserve police officer or a community college district reserve police officer has the powers and duties authorized in Section 830.32.
(b) Whenever any person designated by a Native American tribe recognized by the United States Secretary of the Interior is deputized or appointed by the county sheriff as a reserve or auxiliary sheriff or a reserve deputy sheriff, and is assigned to the prevention and detection of crime and the general enforcement of the laws of this state by the county sheriff, the person is a peace officer, if the person qualifies as set forth in paragraph (1) of
subdivision (a) of Section 832.6. The authority of a peace officer pursuant to this subdivision includes the full powers and duties of a peace officer as provided by Section 830.1.
(c) Whenever any person is summoned to the aid of any uniformed peace officer, the summoned person is vested with the powers of a peace officer that are expressly delegated to him or her by the summoning officer or that are otherwise reasonably necessary to properly assist the officer.
I know the code section very well, since I was one of the reserve coordinators at my department. Since I received a phone call from one of his volunteers just last week who said "Erik was a Antioch Police Officer in 1991, and a Marine in Desert Storm" when I asked if he was in the Marine Reserve she told me "no he had been in the Marines full time" . I thought that was kinda funny because if my memory serves correctly wasn't "Desert Storm" late 91 early 92.
Now I did not hear this from him, but if one of his volunteers is putting out bad info he is responsible for correcting the information. Most of these volunteers are kids anyway, and reading off a script, so somewhere there is a breakdown in communications. And no a Reserve Police Officer is not a Sworn Position in the department. Just so you are clear on the concept a Sworn Officer has Peace Officer Powers 24/7 a reserve dosen't (unless the local jurisdiction has a local ord that grants 24/7 powers, I don't know of a single jurisdiction in the Bay Area that has, San Francisco repealed there's about 15 years ago).even level 1, level 1 basically means that he can work on his own without direct supervision. The section that you really want is CPC 830.1 or 830.2 for the Highway Patrol, those are the full time Sworn Peace Officer sections. CPC 832.6 describes the reserve levels, and training requirments.
I received this call twice from 2 different volunteers....Yup, they sure said he was a police officer! Wow, he's going to make sure section 8 is evenly spread throughout the county and not clustered in to one city. Now that is going to be an amazing trick! LUUUCCCYY??, you got some splainning to do!!!
Hi I am calling on behalf of Erik Nunn, candidate for the Board of Supervisor.
Erik is a lifelong East County resident, Chair of the Oakley Planning Commission and served as a Marine during Desert Storm.
Erik was an Antioch Police Officer from 1992 to 96 and today he’s the chief financial officer for a local company that employs 92 people.
Erik is running to change the direction of our district by providing more oversight for Section 8 housing - making sure tenants are evenly spread throughout the County and not just clustered into one city.
Please join me, former Antioch City Council Member Manny Soliz and the local firefighters in voting for Erik Nunn this June.
For more information please visit our website www.eriknunn or give him a call 584-5665
Dee - I asked Erik and he said he graduated from the Police Academy at Los Medanos College in 1991, along with those from other agencies such as County Sheriff's Department, BART police, etc.
Your statistics are questionable, most have experienced the opposite, 70%-80% are problems in all of our adjoining cities. Your right about the landlords, unfortunately the hardworking taxpayers that have bought new homes have to deal with the problems, call the police and deal with all the problems associated with the failed social programs called Section 8#.
SECTION 8# IS A FAILED SOCIAL PROGRAM CREATED BY LIBERALS IN THE 70'S to diversify neighborhoods. Instead it has brought, crime , drug dealing, graffittee and other social problems.....to otherwise tranquil suburbs where people work hard and take care of their properties!!! I have verbalized what many are thinking, and are afraid to say publically..
The Section 8#Program HAS FAILED, HAS CREATED DEPENDENCY AND SHOULD BE ABOLISHED!!
Some families on it for decades, in many cases, non-US citizens also get free housing. In its current state the program is full of Fraud and Abuse, and no accountability. It should be limited to 1 or 2yrs. Short term and only as emergency help. The same goes for welfare and food stamps. Liberals have made the public think it is an "Entitlement" it is not, the social welfare programs including Section 8# were created to be temporary assistance, until people get back on their feet....instead it has evolved into a permanent state for many.
ABOLISH THE SECTION 8 # PROGRAM..............................SEND LETTERS TO ALL THE CONGRESSMAN
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
I am not saying that it is perfect, and I admit that I have not dealt with any section 8 in Contra Costa, so the figures could be different. That is just my experience before I retired. I am just saying that to cast a negative light on all section 8 based on bad experience with some is stereotyping, yes there are some in the program that take advantage of the system, but there are also people in the program who are truly trying to better themselves. It is not about supporting someone, but rather helping someone who needs it.
Can't you have a reasonable conversation with someone, your going to send section 8 people to my neighborhood? Well there are no vacant houses in my neighborhood, so unless they are going to pitch a tent in the cow pasture, I'm not too sure where they will be.
space for future Section #8 recipients?? Since Section Recipients make such good neighbors..........:}
My family and I and hundreds of others in the EAST COUNTY have only had to deal with, crime, trespassing, noise, drugs, trash, blighted homes etc...etc... We have not met any of the "utopian" mythical Section #8 recipients you refer to.
WHY SHOULD ANYONE BETTER THEMSELVES AT SOMEONE ELSES Expense??
I AND MILLIONS HAVE B-E-T-T-E-R-E-D THEMSELVES THROUGH HARDWORK AND FRUGALITY, NOT BILKING THE TAXPAYERS.
Helping means temporary............NOT 30YRS ON THE DOLE using a Section #8 Voucher for free rent, GENERATION TO GENERATION. No one subsidises my housing. Why reward laziness and poor choices....having to many kids.
There is widespread abuse and an entitlement mentality by recipients.....its like giving money to a drug user.... Maybe a tough love program...limiting the time Welfare recipients can collect. That would be to simple.....
Wake up, Socialist Liberals would like to pitch tents on your land then redistribute the land. Thats why they love the all the social welfare programs. It's a redistribution of Wealth....from hardworking taxpayers.......to lazy welfare recipients. Individuals driving Mercedes, Lexus, and Escalades should not be collecting welfare or Section 8# We see it every day.....and worse. I enjoyed your response. Have a great day.
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
Your very good at stereotyping people, so I guess I can say that based on your posts that you are just a bitter person who feels that you never got everything you deserve, and the working poor of this country have used all you hard earned tax dollars. Afterall you are assuming that I own enough land to donate, or could it be that I just got here before the big rush and was able to get a bargain on an existing home on a 1 acre lot, that is between two old cattle pastures?
What about the disabled people who receive section 8 aid, or elderly? The reform of the system is needed at the local level, local agencies who do not follow the federal guidelines, which are quite strict regarding who is eligiable, are ignored by some local housing authorities.
You're very good at putting out your experiece in other geographical areas and relating them to what happens here, but when someone else does the same thing you go into attack mode to belittle them, saying that there experience is not typical or applicable to the situation, you really can't have it both ways. Some of your posts have merit, and make sense, and others don't that is why people have different opinions, and what makes good conversation at times. If you are civil towards me I do the same, but when you attack my experience, based on your perception I will respond in kind.
with like sarcasm. Yes you can not have it both ways. Not stereotyping, It is what it is and what we all see each and every day. Our experiences, do not belittle all the people that have had to live with the crime, blight, drug dealing, graffittee, noise and a lowered quality of life since problem section 8#recipients moved into their neighborhoods.
Your smarmy response, there are no house for section #8 in my neighborhood, only pastures. My response was appropriate and not bitter. I can see I am throwing pearls of wisdom to swine......good day
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
That sure isn't what it looks like from where I am sitting. Along with the sarcasm consider spelling something else I will offer you G-R-A-F-F-I-T-I, Have better tomorrow, try not to be so angry.
YOUR CLEVERLY VEILED COMMENTS ARE TRANSPARENT. Again if your enamoured with Section 8# and low income people, move them into your neighborhood. Donate some of that 1 acre property, and put up a few trailers. Not using public taxpayer money of course.
You could also immediately start housing homeless people in your 1acre backyard if you were serious about your convictions. Actions speak louder than words.
Your comments smack of nimbyism....not in my back yard. While everyone else suffers with the problems caused by the failed liberal social program called Section 8#.
Likewise you have personally attacked my personal experienes and have gone into attack mode because my comments and opinions hit at the core problems. and are the exact opposite of yours. I loathe liberalism, failed social programs and anything that abuses the taxpayer dollars that are misspent in many cases fraudulently.
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
Get off your high horse, its not working with me. I deal with facts not utopian illusions. You missed the point completely when referring to tents in your one acre yard. Liberal Socialists, or communists would love to place the homeless and section 8# apts on your proerty if the could. It was done in communist China, communist Russia and its currently being done in Socialist South American countries and in Africa.
Taking land from the rich, and R-E-D-I-S-T-R-I-T-I-N-G it to those in need.......that is the point I was making.
To correct your statement, reform is needed not only at the county level, but also at the Federal level since the majority of the funding comes from a Federal agency called HUD.
The HUD Director just stepped down after the FBI discovered collusion and fraud with low income housing developers. HUD has had problems for years, as well as Section 8#, the food stamp program and other welfare programs.
The disabled and senior have access to other programs, other than section 8#. There are Senior Housing buildings all over the bay area that give priority to disabled and seniors in need. Hard working taxpayers are concerned with the individuals who abuse the programs, drive new Mercedes while collecting welfare, Section 8# and working on the ide, not reporting income they earn, or the income of others living in the section 8# taxpayer funded subsidized new house in a new development.
The money that is currently "missused or abused" to house low income idividuals in a brand new home at the tune of $2,800-3,500 in a new housing development in Brentwood, Antioch, Discovery Bay or Oakely.....could be used instead to help 4 truly needy families in a small apt. in an apartment complex somewhere.
Lets see.....living high off the hog....in a 4, 000 sq ft home for one undeserving family cheating the system....or putting four truly indigent families....temporarily....into a modest apartment building...until they get back on their feet. The majority would side with me.
Have you ever collected Welfare, or have relatives collecting welfare??? As for civility, its a two way street, that includes sarcasm and innuendo... Have a great day while the rest of us deal with reality and the problems brought into our communities with the huge influx of low income and section #8 recipients {drug dealing, graffittee, blight, noise, crime, etc..etc..}
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
I'm replying directly to some of the generalized comments you made about Section 8 tenants, and other comments you made in a post on 5/21/08.
The disabled and senior have access to other programs, other than section 8#. There are Senior Housing buildings all over the bay area that give priority to disabled and seniors in need. Hard working taxpayers are concerned with the individuals who abuse the programs, drive new Mercedes while collecting welfare, Section 8# and working on the ide, not reporting income they earn, or the income of others living in the section 8# taxpayer funded subsidized new house in a new development.
Not all disabled Section 8 recipients are elderly, this should be considered in your reasoning. Not all Section 8/welfare recipients abuse the programs, drive a new luxury car, work under the table, have extra unreported people in their homes, or even live in a house less than 10 years old. I will not sit back and say that every recipient of public assistance is on the straight and narrow as that is obviously not reality. That some reform needs to happen is truthful, but not likely to come too quickly.
The money that is currently "missused or abused" to house low income idividuals in a brand new home at the tune of $2,800-3,500 in a new housing development in Brentwood, Antioch, Discovery Bay or Oakely.....could be used instead to help 4 truly needy families in a small apt. in an apartment complex somewhere.
The Contra Costa Housing Authority has both income limits and payment standards (also referred to as voucher limits) that can be found here: http://64.143.89.96/hsg_income-limits.htm#ps
The amount of the voucher limit depends on the size of the family and the guidelines that the housing authority has set-up to determine family size vs. the number of bedrooms to issue the voucher for. Unless the houses you are referring to are over 6 bedrooms or are being rented for less than what you cite, it's hard to believe Section 8 approved it, with one minor exception. The payment standards listed only cover up to a 6 bedroom home, and the most they pay is $2,683. The exception I mentioned previously would be that Section 8 will allow a tenant to pay up to 40% of their income (as opposed to the 30% they use to determine what the tenant portion of the rent it) to cover any amount over the voucher limit. I think the limit on that is around $200, so around $2,863 would most likely be the approximate limit that Section 8 would approve, provided the tenant held a 6 bedroom voucher.
Lets see.....living high off the hog....in a 4, 000 sq ft home for one undeserving family cheating the system....or putting four truly indigent families....temporarily....into a modest apartment building...until they get back on their feet. The majority would side with me.
Well, I'd even agree with you on this to an extent.
Have you ever collected Welfare, or have relatives collecting welfare??? As for civility, its a two way street, that includes sarcasm and innuendo... Have a great day while the rest of us deal with reality and the problems brought into our communities with the huge influx of low income and section #8 recipients {drug dealing, graffittee, blight, noise, crime, etc..etc..}
Although this wasn't directed at me, I'll still respond accordingly. Yes I do collect welfare, for my daughter. My income comes from SSI, as I'm disabled. I'm a Section 8 tenant, I pay my bills, raise my daughter to respect others, make sure she attends school, completes her homework, as well stays out of trouble. I didn't bring any drugs, graffitti, blight, noise, crime, etc. with me when I moved into the neighborhood I currently reside in, nor did I bring any into the neighborhood I previously lived in. I didn't move into a large new house, I'm quite content with the two bedroom house I live in that was built in the 1940s. I'm not the only low income/Section 8 tenant on my street, and it's a relatively quiet street considering it's location.
It's very easy to get caught up in the whirlwind of frustration that comes from dealing with those who are consistantly abusive to the system, and with the media only reporting on those who cause trouble, I can see where the general opinion would be that all low income/Section 8 recipients must be the same. However the reality is that we aren't all the same, just as the majority of society isn't. We don't all cause the property value to drop when we show up with a U-Haul truck and take up residence. I myself have gotten frustrated with the same type of Section 8 tenant you refer to, I used to live on Sycamore prior to moving here, and what frustrates me the most is that they cause the hard working people of "Anywhere, USA" to view all Section 8 recipients in the same light. It's like casting all women in the same light, or vice versa, all men. It's not something that's viewed as fair by those members of the affected group. (And yes, I am fully aware that life isn't always fair.)
All that aside, I hope you're having a wonderful day, and I hope that when you read this you won't feel that I'm attacking you or taking a hostile stance as it was not my intention. Please feel free to reply in a respectful manner, as I've attempted to be respectful in my response to your post.
A. I am not, never have been and never will be your honey. Now if you want to have a discussion and be taken seriously, stop with the mysoginistic, degrading attitude.
B. The point was that it is irresponsible to take your history with other people and school board members in other areas and project them on to someone who you don't know and never met and ASSUME he will be the same way. Again, he owns 1 section 8 property and since it is only one he is not running on that as he campaign platform. Obviously if it were a secret or being brushed under the rug as you claim, you wouldn't even know about it. Wow a secret that everybody knows about oh my! Just ask him if he owns a section 8 property and he'll tell you , outright and honestly. BUt ask Erik Nunn if he's supported by Seeno and he won't tell you that. By the way, check out Gary Agopian's website, www.agopian4supervisor.com and it states his occupation is a realtor, some big secret huh?
To be honest, Gary was offered money by the teacher's union but he turned down the funds!! Again, want to know the truth about him, ASK HIM!!!!!
Spin all you want Miss Cassie......its all out now and the voters will make the decision, the East County has been bombarded by Section 8# problems and nothing has changed at the plagued Housing Authority.
Don't assume you know me, and don't you project. Have you ever audited a School District, Miss Cassie?? Didnt think so? Have you graduated from high school or college yet?? Or are you just working on Agopians campaign?? I can run circles around you intellectually and otherwise.
You go Girl, heres to Girl power. OH, my God..........LIke........
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
I have never assumed that I know you and frankly based upon your posts I do not want to know you ever, but you seem to have no problem assuming you know what and how Gary Agopian acts based upon your past experience with people OTHER than Gary Agopian. YOU are making assumptions. YOU are projecting. You are no different than a racist who believes that all African Americans, all those of Jewish or Egyptian or Hispanic decent are ALL exactly the same and think the same as each other and that is simply not true. You again attack and bully people who have a different opinion than you. I truly pity you.
Hey genius. Did you realize that almost every far left union in the county supports Nunn? Yeah, you're a real Reagan conservative! He also went over the spending limits! Then he blamed his family members and his treasurer. Oops! What a great business manager( sorry CFO). I saw your letter today. Either you are willfully ignoring the facts or you are a complete fool.
Being a democrat or republican DOES matter.. The last time he ran he wrote an article about responsible growth in CCC and stated: "What’s more it just so happens that those property owners are Republicans who didn’t back the incumbent Democrats, who, for years have controlled the Board of Supervisors. It’s not surprising that the Board kept land inside the line, which is owned by their supporters and those who are buddies with the big Democrats in Sacramento." and "These things are just common sense and fair, what government should be about. It’s why we need to elect Republicans to office and replace the incumbent Democrats who don’t offer any real solutions, because they’re pulled by the all the special interests in too many different directions.
We need new leadership who will take action. This year we have the opportunity to gain a majority of pro-business, common-sense Republicans to the Board of Supervisors by reelecting Gayle Uilkema in the 2nd District, and electing Mary Nejedly Piepho or Dave Hudson in the 3rd District and me in the 5th District."
To see the entire article it is posted at http://politicalvanguard.com/index.php?id=eriknunn.
Now Nunn is flipping from his last failed run and in a recent Candidate Forum, "Nunn said he opposes the Tassajara project and the Jack Roddy Ranch proposal, and accused Glover of "flip-flopping.""
Who's flip-flopped now?
Dee - I went back and looked and Gary's page on the League of Women Voter's SmartVoter website does not mention he's a Realtor. It does say Coldwell Banker, but not everyone knows that it's a real estate office. I pointed it out to him at church, last week. Here's what it says exactly:
Occupation: Antioch Unified School District Board of Trustees
Antioch School District Budget Task Force, 2003-04
Antioch Economic Development Commission, 2003-2006
27 years in business management for national retailers
5 years with Coldwell Banker (current)
Bachelor of Arts, Business Administration Azusa Pacific College
Married to Robin, three children, 13-year Antioch resident
But, his own campaign website does mention he's a Realtor:
Gary completed his successfully retail career by managing stores for Best Buy from 2000 until 2003. In that year, Gary made a career change, moving into the real estate business with Coldwell Banker. As a Realtor, Gary...
I can't believe there are too many people out there that wouldn't know Coldwell Banker is a real estate firm, but you never know? Some people may think he's a banker, but if they are that out of touch, they will probably just randomly select someone.
BBentwood says:
"MANY WILL BE VOTING FOR ERICK NUNN....THE ONLY LOGICAL CHOICE FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY in these uncertain economic times!!!!!!!!!!"
I say: YIKES!
CCtimes said:
"OF THE FIVE candidates seeking election to Contra Costa County's Fifth Supervisorial District, only two-term incumbent Federal Glover and challenger Gary Agopian are adequately prepared to serve. Despite some misgivings about Glover, we believe he has grown in the office and deserves re-election."
and...
"Of the four candidates challenging Glover, only Antioch school board member Agopian has done his homework in gaining an understanding of the county's unfunded liability situation.
The other three candidates — former Antioch City Councilwoman and Mayor Mary Rocha, Oakley Planning Commissioner and business executive Erik Nunn and real estate agent Don Parscal of Brentwood were woefully unprepared to discuss the county's fiscal problems."
Finally somebody makes sense. I agree with you 100%. The only thing I will add is that I really hope you will consider a run for the school board in november.
I appreciate you considering me, but.... I cannot run again for various personal reasons. But do know, I will continue to contribute and help where I can, when I can. :)
I will hope someone strong and able will take the seat of Gary too. Of course that is if he wins superviosr. I would guess if that didn't happen he would run for school board again.
Let's hope for the best. Meanwhile, start lining up some candidates you would like see running for various seats coming up...city council will have a few too.
Posted on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 15:57 — by iLoveOakley
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iloveoakley - It's called New Lifeline Ministries Church, it's in Oakley on Empire Road. Allen Payton
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Have heard this many times from members of my group. I am wondering why this information was never disclosed at any community meetings set up to meet the candidates??
If Mr. Agopian is a Realtor and involved with the Section #8 rental housing gravy train, many in the East County dealing with problem section #8 rental houses in their new developments should think twice before voting for "Change" Touted as the candidate of CHANGE....hmmmmmmm That is not the kind of change most are looking for.
Many will vote for candidates with Fiscal experience, real business experience to get the counties deficit spending under control, in these difficult financial times....Mr. Nunn may be connected to developers but he also successfully ran a million dollar business, and has a law enforcement background "Tough on Crime" need I say more.
The alternative candidate has a liberal spend mentality tied into the failed public school systems where there is no fiscal accountability............... We need Supervisors that will slash budgets, tough enough to deal with public unions and savvy enough to deal with the many escalating problems in our County.
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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All I know is that we really need experience and relationships at the state level as we enter into the difficult times ahead.
Me
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Since when are realtors the enemy? Gary Agopian owns 1 section 8 rental home which was not purchased as a section 8 rental but was only rented to the section 8 tenant after she had to move out of the home she was renting because her son died of brain cancer so she did not qualify for the large home she was living in. What we need is someone who tells the truth. Call up Gary Agopian and ask him about it he'll tell you honestly all about the one section home rental he has. Erik Nunn on the other hand has not been truthful about his police experience, he was not an Antioch Police officer but a reserve officer, and while he did serve during Desert Storm he did not serve IN Desert Storm (he was in Yuma, AZ), when asked point blank about being backed by developers at a debate (where he accused Federal of being backed by developers) he flat out stated that he was not accepting money from Seeno (just his nephew). He has also switched his political party in Feb. in a non-partisan race to get union backing (he said at a meeting in March the unions weren't backing him but his website says they are, truth??). He also told people he was being endorsed by Jack Roddy which was news to Jack (he's supporting Gary Agopian), and he claims he was the first to speak out against the prison re-entry facility. Check the records he was nowhere to be found, it was the Mayor, the Chief of Police, the city council, the chamber of commerce and yes the SCHOOL BOARD of which Gary Agopian is a member and the only candidate to speak against it at the BOS meeting. No Erik there... I'm also curious how you believe Gary has a liberal spend mentality. He was one of those on the Melo Roos board to deny the increase request of funds for the community center. "Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive poeple into thinking he's a police officer
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and bring blight, crime and all the socio economic problems to our beautiful new housing developments. Why did Agopian never state that he was a realtor??, thats nothing to be ashamed of or <> Just the facts for the public record. As for the liberal mentality it has been my experience over several decades that those starting out on a School Board quickly move into being full time politicians wheeling and dealing and building their personal bank accounts. As a citizen I have participated in Audits of School Districts, I have seen the waste, fraud and abuses of taxpayer dollars............... Many School Districts are in a deficit position because of actions specific board members have taken while managing the District monies. I have seen this many times in both Oakland and in the WEST COUNTY. School Board Members becoming City Council members then creating new taxes for bloated unsuccessful social programs...that is the liberal mentality I am referring to.
Many in Contra Costa will be casting their votes for a successful business man that has <<<<>>>>>>>.......AND NOT JUST SPENT IT....."IE" THE TAX PAYERS MONEY. We need fiscally responsible Supervisors to lead our County, and keep the escalating costs in check. We need a strong individual to stand up to the unions, someone who will not capitulate..and waiver. The experience gained on a school board spending the taxpayers money..... does not in any way equal the running of a successful money making business.....nor successfully keeping county costs in check...and reducing fraud waste and abuse.
MANY WILL BE VOTING FOR ERICK NUNN....THE ONLY LOGICAL CHOICE FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY in these uncertain economic times!!!!!!!!!!
as for changing party affiliation, get over it, its not a big deal, people do it all the time...Flexibility is a positive attribute. Die hard party mentality, leads to cronyism, neoptism and a win at all cost mentality :}
FOCUS ON WHO WILL SLASH BUDGETS, AND MAKE DECISIONS TO REIGN IN WASTEFUL SPENDING IN OUR COUNTY......In a time of economic slowdown we need a SUPERVISOR THAT WILL DEAL WITH PROBLEMS, BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND MAKE FISCALLY SOUND DECISIONS WHEN SPENDING.........THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS.......
I enjoyed your post.
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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Gee Paul, I thought you lived in Brentwood. Correct me if I'm wrong but thats not even in district 5.
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"Oh what a tangled web they weave when they set out to deceive"
Call me whatever name you wish. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing isnt it Drew, Andrew or Jim or James, or is it Robert this week??. Or does Freedom of Speech only apply to you and those of the same mindset????? We do not live in a Police State yet. :} I just loath HYPOCRITES.
If Supervisoral candidate Agopian is a realtor and owns Section 8# rentals, the good people of the East County need to know that.......Mr. Nunn has been demonized for changing his party affiliation, and not attending Quality of Life Forums....ya all cant have it both ways now.. It is what it is.
You and your wife Pat have been banging the drum for the last year regarding the section #8 problems, the Housing Authority, Rudy Tamayo and certain Supervisors curently in office, some outside of your District. You know better!! That makes you a HYPOCRITE. WHY NOT JUST LET THE ELECTORATE DECIDE WHO THEY WANT IN OFFICE. THE CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST..............
I guess you do not value the truth, I am only one of many messengers. Call me whatever you like, I and many, many others will be voting for the best candidates, those that are fiscally responsible, with real business experience and not indebted to special interests. Candidates that are capable of solving the escalating budgetary and spending problems within our County ......whether that person comes from Antioch, Oakley, Discovery Bay, or Brentwood. Party affiliation makes no difference to me of my family.
You'll need to do better than that :} Detective.......
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So because of your past experience (or perceived experience) with shcool board members in other areas (Oakland and West County) you now make the assumption that Gary Agopian is thre same way. He's not hiding the fact that he's a realtor but rather e's emphasizing his leadership experience that he gained on the school board. Nunn is telling everybody he's a CFO, he does not have every job he's ever held on the ballot. As for not cow towing to unions, that is exactly what he's doing. Seeno did not support Federal again because Federal did not do what he wanted so now he's backing Nunn to get his foot back in the door of CCC politics and Seeno needs it, look at what Seeno's been doing in this county, legal and otherwise. As for changing party affiliation within weeks of the election, yes it does make a difference. It shows that he cannot stand up for his principles and when issues come up he will switch to whatever he backers want him to do, and a large number of his backers are UNIONS. So with Erik's propensity to change his party affiliation and being backed by the unions before the election, what makes you think he'll stand up to them AFTER the election? And if you look further at his school board service, with Gary's work and direction the school board is no longer under the care of a state appointed fiscal advisor.
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Honey, my experience is not percieved it is very real, the Oakland School District went under State receivership after our public audit. What is your experience, spin mistriss.. So Antioch was under a state appointed fiscal advisor....>>>>enough said.
So did Agopian's backers tell him brush his occupation, and ownership of Section #8 rental properties under the rug? Hush, hush........ School Board Service is not the same as running a multi-million dollar business and actually making money, come on now. Its not even close, who are you fooling.... Most public school systems want to spend and spend even more taxdollars. More money is never enough..........And what about the CA Teachers Union?? are they backing or funding any local candidates?? Has Mr. Agopian taken any money from any Unions?????? Put it out there honey, inquiring minds want to know.
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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I don't want to interupt, but I do have a couple of questions, since I have not decided who to vote for, 1 when did all section 8 housing become bad, my practical experience has shown me that a good 60 - 70 % of people in section 8 housing are trying to better themselves, but everyone seems to focus on the bad. More often than not the "bad" portion of the section 8 housing is from "absent" landlords, who do not live anywhere near where the home is.
Regarding Mr. Nunn's resume, some of the items in there do not seem to fit, calling yourself a police officer when you were at no time a SWORN OFFICER, is an embelishment at best. A reserve officer is not a SWORN position, and by state law only has peace officer powers while in duty, it is a volunteer part time position, not a full time position.
I don't think that whatever candidate gets this position that things are going to change much, and it will be more of the same.
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P5Ret - I've looked at Nunn's mailers and they state he was a "reserve police officer." His website states he was a "Level 1 reserve police office in the City of Antioch." To what resume do you refer where Nunn calls himself a "police officer"? Also, FYI Erik went through the Police Academy. The bottom line is he put his life on the line for the safety of the people of Antioch.
Here's the California Penal Code regarding Reserve Police Officers, etc.
California Penal Code PEN Section 830.6 (a) (1) Whenever any qualified person is deputized or appointed by the proper authority as a reserve or auxiliary sheriff or city police officer, a reserve deputy sheriff, a reserve deputy marshal, a reserve police officer of a regional park district or of a transit district, a reserve park ranger, a reserve harbor or port police officer of a county, city, or district as specified in Section 663.5 of the Harbors and Navigation Code, a reserve deputy of the Department of Fish and Game, a reserve special agent of the Department of Justice, a reserve officer of a community service district which is authorized under subdivision (h) of Section 61600 of the Government Code to maintain a police department or other police protection, a reserve officer of a school district police department under Section 35021.5 of the Education Code, a reserve officer of a community college police department under Section 72330, a reserve officer of a police protection district formed under Part 1 (commencing with Section 20000) of Division 14 of the Health and Safety Code, or a reserve housing authority patrol officer employed by a housing authority defined in subdivision (d) of Section 830.31, and is assigned specific police functions by that authority, the person is a peace officer, if the person qualifies as set forth in Section 832.6.
The authority of a person designated as a peace officer pursuant to this paragraph extends only for the duration of the person's specific assignment. A reserve park ranger or a transit, harbor, or port district reserve officer may carry firearms only if authorized by, and under those terms and conditions as are specified by, his or her employing agency.
(2) Whenever any qualified person is deputized or appointed by the proper authority as a reserve or auxiliary sheriff or city police officer, a reserve deputy sheriff, a reserve deputy marshal, a reserve park ranger, a reserve police officer of a regional park district, transit district, community college district, or school district, a reserve harbor or port police officer of a county, city, or district as specified in Section 663.5 of the Harbors and Navigation Code, a reserve officer of a community service district that is authorized under subdivision (h) of Section 61600 of the Government Code to maintain a police department or other police protection, or a reserve officer of a police protection district formed under Part 1 (commencing with Section 20000) of Division 14 of the Health and Safety Code, and is so designated by local ordinance or, if the local agency is not authorized to act by ordinance, by resolution, either individually or by class, and is assigned to the prevention and detection of crime and the general enforcement of the laws of this state by that authority, the person is a peace officer, if the person qualifies as set forth in paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of Section 832.6. The authority of a person designated as a peace officer pursuant to this paragraph includes the full powers and duties of a peace officer as provided by Section 830.1. A transit, harbor, or port district reserve police officer, or a city or county reserve peace officer who is not provided with the powers and duties authorized by Section 830.1, has the powers and duties authorized in Section 830.33, or in the case of a reserve park ranger, the powers and duties that are authorized in Section 830.31, or in the case of a reserve housing authority patrol officer, the powers and duties that are authorized in subdivision (d) of Section 830.31, and a school district reserve police officer or a community college district reserve police officer has the powers and duties authorized in Section 830.32.
(b) Whenever any person designated by a Native American tribe recognized by the United States Secretary of the Interior is deputized or appointed by the county sheriff as a reserve or auxiliary sheriff or a reserve deputy sheriff, and is assigned to the prevention and detection of crime and the general enforcement of the laws of this state by the county sheriff, the person is a peace officer, if the person qualifies as set forth in paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of Section 832.6. The authority of a peace officer pursuant to this subdivision includes the full powers and duties of a peace officer as provided by Section 830.1.
(c) Whenever any person is summoned to the aid of any uniformed peace officer, the summoned person is vested with the powers of a peace officer that are expressly delegated to him or her by the summoning officer or that are otherwise reasonably necessary to properly assist the officer.
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I know the code section very well, since I was one of the reserve coordinators at my department. Since I received a phone call from one of his volunteers just last week who said "Erik was a Antioch Police Officer in 1991, and a Marine in Desert Storm" when I asked if he was in the Marine Reserve she told me "no he had been in the Marines full time" . I thought that was kinda funny because if my memory serves correctly wasn't "Desert Storm" late 91 early 92.
Now I did not hear this from him, but if one of his volunteers is putting out bad info he is responsible for correcting the information. Most of these volunteers are kids anyway, and reading off a script, so somewhere there is a breakdown in communications. And no a Reserve Police Officer is not a Sworn Position in the department. Just so you are clear on the concept a Sworn Officer has Peace Officer Powers 24/7 a reserve dosen't (unless the local jurisdiction has a local ord that grants 24/7 powers, I don't know of a single jurisdiction in the Bay Area that has, San Francisco repealed there's about 15 years ago).even level 1, level 1 basically means that he can work on his own without direct supervision. The section that you really want is CPC 830.1 or 830.2 for the Highway Patrol, those are the full time Sworn Peace Officer sections. CPC 832.6 describes the reserve levels, and training requirments.
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I received this call twice from 2 different volunteers....Yup, they sure said he was a police officer! Wow, he's going to make sure section 8 is evenly spread throughout the county and not clustered in to one city. Now that is going to be an amazing trick! LUUUCCCYY??, you got some splainning to do!!!
Hi I am calling on behalf of Erik Nunn, candidate for the Board of Supervisor.
Erik is a lifelong East County resident, Chair of the Oakley Planning Commission and served as a Marine during Desert Storm.
Erik was an Antioch Police Officer from 1992 to 96 and today he’s the chief financial officer for a local company that employs 92 people.
Erik is running to change the direction of our district by providing more oversight for Section 8 housing - making sure tenants are evenly spread throughout the County and not just clustered into one city.
Please join me, former Antioch City Council Member Manny Soliz and the local firefighters in voting for Erik Nunn this June.
For more information please visit our website www.eriknunn or give him a call 584-5665
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P5Ret - Thanks for the info. I will pass this on to Erik so that he can make sure his volunteers are stating things correctly.
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Allen
Which Police Academy did Erik attend? Why is he referenced as both a "reserve" police officer and a police officer?
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Dee - I asked Erik and he said he graduated from the Police Academy at Los Medanos College in 1991, along with those from other agencies such as County Sheriff's Department, BART police, etc.
Also, anyone, how do I get rid of the bold?
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Your statistics are questionable, most have experienced the opposite, 70%-80% are problems in all of our adjoining cities. Your right about the landlords, unfortunately the hardworking taxpayers that have bought new homes have to deal with the problems, call the police and deal with all the problems associated with the failed social programs called Section 8#.
SECTION 8# IS A FAILED SOCIAL PROGRAM CREATED BY LIBERALS IN THE 70'S to diversify neighborhoods. Instead it has brought, crime , drug dealing, graffittee and other social problems.....to otherwise tranquil suburbs where people work hard and take care of their properties!!! I have verbalized what many are thinking, and are afraid to say publically..
The Section 8#Program HAS FAILED, HAS CREATED DEPENDENCY AND SHOULD BE ABOLISHED!! Some families on it for decades, in many cases, non-US citizens also get free housing. In its current state the program is full of Fraud and Abuse, and no accountability. It should be limited to 1 or 2yrs. Short term and only as emergency help. The same goes for welfare and food stamps. Liberals have made the public think it is an "Entitlement" it is not, the social welfare programs including Section 8# were created to be temporary assistance, until people get back on their feet....instead it has evolved into a permanent state for many.
ABOLISH THE SECTION 8 # PROGRAM..............................SEND LETTERS TO ALL THE CONGRESSMAN
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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I am not saying that it is perfect, and I admit that I have not dealt with any section 8 in Contra Costa, so the figures could be different. That is just my experience before I retired. I am just saying that to cast a negative light on all section 8 based on bad experience with some is stereotyping, yes there are some in the program that take advantage of the system, but there are also people in the program who are truly trying to better themselves. It is not about supporting someone, but rather helping someone who needs it.
Can't you have a reasonable conversation with someone, your going to send section 8 people to my neighborhood? Well there are no vacant houses in my neighborhood, so unless they are going to pitch a tent in the cow pasture, I'm not too sure where they will be.
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space for future Section #8 recipients?? Since Section Recipients make such good neighbors..........:}
My family and I and hundreds of others in the EAST COUNTY have only had to deal with, crime, trespassing, noise, drugs, trash, blighted homes etc...etc... We have not met any of the "utopian" mythical Section #8 recipients you refer to.
WHY SHOULD ANYONE BETTER THEMSELVES AT SOMEONE ELSES Expense??
I AND MILLIONS HAVE B-E-T-T-E-R-E-D THEMSELVES THROUGH HARDWORK AND FRUGALITY, NOT BILKING THE TAXPAYERS.
Helping means temporary............NOT 30YRS ON THE DOLE using a Section #8 Voucher for free rent, GENERATION TO GENERATION. No one subsidises my housing. Why reward laziness and poor choices....having to many kids.
There is widespread abuse and an entitlement mentality by recipients.....its like giving money to a drug user.... Maybe a tough love program...limiting the time Welfare recipients can collect. That would be to simple.....
Wake up, Socialist Liberals would like to pitch tents on your land then redistribute the land. Thats why they love the all the social welfare programs. It's a redistribution of Wealth....from hardworking taxpayers.......to lazy welfare recipients. Individuals driving Mercedes, Lexus, and Escalades should not be collecting welfare or Section 8# We see it every day.....and worse. I enjoyed your response. Have a great day.
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Your very good at stereotyping people, so I guess I can say that based on your posts that you are just a bitter person who feels that you never got everything you deserve, and the working poor of this country have used all you hard earned tax dollars. Afterall you are assuming that I own enough land to donate, or could it be that I just got here before the big rush and was able to get a bargain on an existing home on a 1 acre lot, that is between two old cattle pastures? What about the disabled people who receive section 8 aid, or elderly? The reform of the system is needed at the local level, local agencies who do not follow the federal guidelines, which are quite strict regarding who is eligiable, are ignored by some local housing authorities.
You're very good at putting out your experiece in other geographical areas and relating them to what happens here, but when someone else does the same thing you go into attack mode to belittle them, saying that there experience is not typical or applicable to the situation, you really can't have it both ways. Some of your posts have merit, and make sense, and others don't that is why people have different opinions, and what makes good conversation at times. If you are civil towards me I do the same, but when you attack my experience, based on your perception I will respond in kind.
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with like sarcasm. Yes you can not have it both ways. Not stereotyping, It is what it is and what we all see each and every day. Our experiences, do not belittle all the people that have had to live with the crime, blight, drug dealing, graffittee, noise and a lowered quality of life since problem section 8#recipients moved into their neighborhoods.
Your smarmy response, there are no house for section #8 in my neighborhood, only pastures. My response was appropriate and not bitter. I can see I am throwing pearls of wisdom to swine......good day
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That sure isn't what it looks like from where I am sitting. Along with the sarcasm consider spelling something else I will offer you G-R-A-F-F-I-T-I, Have better tomorrow, try not to be so angry.
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Try not to be so schoolmarmish....now go get that red pencil. Finding typos is not one of MY Life priorities. Have a real day :}
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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YOUR CLEVERLY VEILED COMMENTS ARE TRANSPARENT. Again if your enamoured with Section 8# and low income people, move them into your neighborhood. Donate some of that 1 acre property, and put up a few trailers. Not using public taxpayer money of course. You could also immediately start housing homeless people in your 1acre backyard if you were serious about your convictions. Actions speak louder than words.
Your comments smack of nimbyism....not in my back yard. While everyone else suffers with the problems caused by the failed liberal social program called Section 8#.
Likewise you have personally attacked my personal experienes and have gone into attack mode because my comments and opinions hit at the core problems. and are the exact opposite of yours. I loathe liberalism, failed social programs and anything that abuses the taxpayer dollars that are misspent in many cases fraudulently.
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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Get off your high horse, its not working with me. I deal with facts not utopian illusions. You missed the point completely when referring to tents in your one acre yard. Liberal Socialists, or communists would love to place the homeless and section 8# apts on your proerty if the could. It was done in communist China, communist Russia and its currently being done in Socialist South American countries and in Africa.
Taking land from the rich, and R-E-D-I-S-T-R-I-T-I-N-G it to those in need.......that is the point I was making. To correct your statement, reform is needed not only at the county level, but also at the Federal level since the majority of the funding comes from a Federal agency called HUD. The HUD Director just stepped down after the FBI discovered collusion and fraud with low income housing developers. HUD has had problems for years, as well as Section 8#, the food stamp program and other welfare programs.
The disabled and senior have access to other programs, other than section 8#. There are Senior Housing buildings all over the bay area that give priority to disabled and seniors in need. Hard working taxpayers are concerned with the individuals who abuse the programs, drive new Mercedes while collecting welfare, Section 8# and working on the ide, not reporting income they earn, or the income of others living in the section 8# taxpayer funded subsidized new house in a new development.
The money that is currently "missused or abused" to house low income idividuals in a brand new home at the tune of $2,800-3,500 in a new housing development in Brentwood, Antioch, Discovery Bay or Oakely.....could be used instead to help 4 truly needy families in a small apt. in an apartment complex somewhere.
Lets see.....living high off the hog....in a 4, 000 sq ft home for one undeserving family cheating the system....or putting four truly indigent families....temporarily....into a modest apartment building...until they get back on their feet. The majority would side with me.
Have you ever collected Welfare, or have relatives collecting welfare??? As for civility, its a two way street, that includes sarcasm and innuendo... Have a great day while the rest of us deal with reality and the problems brought into our communities with the huge influx of low income and section #8 recipients {drug dealing, graffittee, blight, noise, crime, etc..etc..}
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I'm replying directly to some of the generalized comments you made about Section 8 tenants, and other comments you made in a post on 5/21/08.
The disabled and senior have access to other programs, other than section 8#. There are Senior Housing buildings all over the bay area that give priority to disabled and seniors in need. Hard working taxpayers are concerned with the individuals who abuse the programs, drive new Mercedes while collecting welfare, Section 8# and working on the ide, not reporting income they earn, or the income of others living in the section 8# taxpayer funded subsidized new house in a new development.
Not all disabled Section 8 recipients are elderly, this should be considered in your reasoning. Not all Section 8/welfare recipients abuse the programs, drive a new luxury car, work under the table, have extra unreported people in their homes, or even live in a house less than 10 years old. I will not sit back and say that every recipient of public assistance is on the straight and narrow as that is obviously not reality. That some reform needs to happen is truthful, but not likely to come too quickly.
The money that is currently "missused or abused" to house low income idividuals in a brand new home at the tune of $2,800-3,500 in a new housing development in Brentwood, Antioch, Discovery Bay or Oakely.....could be used instead to help 4 truly needy families in a small apt. in an apartment complex somewhere.
The Contra Costa Housing Authority has both income limits and payment standards (also referred to as voucher limits) that can be found here: http://64.143.89.96/hsg_income-limits.htm#ps The amount of the voucher limit depends on the size of the family and the guidelines that the housing authority has set-up to determine family size vs. the number of bedrooms to issue the voucher for. Unless the houses you are referring to are over 6 bedrooms or are being rented for less than what you cite, it's hard to believe Section 8 approved it, with one minor exception. The payment standards listed only cover up to a 6 bedroom home, and the most they pay is $2,683. The exception I mentioned previously would be that Section 8 will allow a tenant to pay up to 40% of their income (as opposed to the 30% they use to determine what the tenant portion of the rent it) to cover any amount over the voucher limit. I think the limit on that is around $200, so around $2,863 would most likely be the approximate limit that Section 8 would approve, provided the tenant held a 6 bedroom voucher.
Lets see.....living high off the hog....in a 4, 000 sq ft home for one undeserving family cheating the system....or putting four truly indigent families....temporarily....into a modest apartment building...until they get back on their feet. The majority would side with me.
Well, I'd even agree with you on this to an extent.
Have you ever collected Welfare, or have relatives collecting welfare??? As for civility, its a two way street, that includes sarcasm and innuendo... Have a great day while the rest of us deal with reality and the problems brought into our communities with the huge influx of low income and section #8 recipients {drug dealing, graffittee, blight, noise, crime, etc..etc..}
Although this wasn't directed at me, I'll still respond accordingly. Yes I do collect welfare, for my daughter. My income comes from SSI, as I'm disabled. I'm a Section 8 tenant, I pay my bills, raise my daughter to respect others, make sure she attends school, completes her homework, as well stays out of trouble. I didn't bring any drugs, graffitti, blight, noise, crime, etc. with me when I moved into the neighborhood I currently reside in, nor did I bring any into the neighborhood I previously lived in. I didn't move into a large new house, I'm quite content with the two bedroom house I live in that was built in the 1940s. I'm not the only low income/Section 8 tenant on my street, and it's a relatively quiet street considering it's location.
It's very easy to get caught up in the whirlwind of frustration that comes from dealing with those who are consistantly abusive to the system, and with the media only reporting on those who cause trouble, I can see where the general opinion would be that all low income/Section 8 recipients must be the same. However the reality is that we aren't all the same, just as the majority of society isn't. We don't all cause the property value to drop when we show up with a U-Haul truck and take up residence. I myself have gotten frustrated with the same type of Section 8 tenant you refer to, I used to live on Sycamore prior to moving here, and what frustrates me the most is that they cause the hard working people of "Anywhere, USA" to view all Section 8 recipients in the same light. It's like casting all women in the same light, or vice versa, all men. It's not something that's viewed as fair by those members of the affected group. (And yes, I am fully aware that life isn't always fair.)
All that aside, I hope you're having a wonderful day, and I hope that when you read this you won't feel that I'm attacking you or taking a hostile stance as it was not my intention. Please feel free to reply in a respectful manner, as I've attempted to be respectful in my response to your post.
Thank you.
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Way to go, ZsMommy...
Roy Gursky (roygur@pacbell.net) http://gurskyranch.com
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Thanks Roy =o) I don't come on here too often anymore, but I still try and contribute where I can.
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A. I am not, never have been and never will be your honey. Now if you want to have a discussion and be taken seriously, stop with the mysoginistic, degrading attitude. B. The point was that it is irresponsible to take your history with other people and school board members in other areas and project them on to someone who you don't know and never met and ASSUME he will be the same way. Again, he owns 1 section 8 property and since it is only one he is not running on that as he campaign platform. Obviously if it were a secret or being brushed under the rug as you claim, you wouldn't even know about it. Wow a secret that everybody knows about oh my! Just ask him if he owns a section 8 property and he'll tell you , outright and honestly. BUt ask Erik Nunn if he's supported by Seeno and he won't tell you that. By the way, check out Gary Agopian's website, www.agopian4supervisor.com and it states his occupation is a realtor, some big secret huh? To be honest, Gary was offered money by the teacher's union but he turned down the funds!! Again, want to know the truth about him, ASK HIM!!!!!
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You go girl!
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Spin all you want Miss Cassie......its all out now and the voters will make the decision, the East County has been bombarded by Section 8# problems and nothing has changed at the plagued Housing Authority.
Don't assume you know me, and don't you project. Have you ever audited a School District, Miss Cassie?? Didnt think so? Have you graduated from high school or college yet?? Or are you just working on Agopians campaign?? I can run circles around you intellectually and otherwise.
You go Girl, heres to Girl power. OH, my God..........LIke........
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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I have never assumed that I know you and frankly based upon your posts I do not want to know you ever, but you seem to have no problem assuming you know what and how Gary Agopian acts based upon your past experience with people OTHER than Gary Agopian. YOU are making assumptions. YOU are projecting. You are no different than a racist who believes that all African Americans, all those of Jewish or Egyptian or Hispanic decent are ALL exactly the same and think the same as each other and that is simply not true. You again attack and bully people who have a different opinion than you. I truly pity you.
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Hey genius. Did you realize that almost every far left union in the county supports Nunn? Yeah, you're a real Reagan conservative! He also went over the spending limits! Then he blamed his family members and his treasurer. Oops! What a great business manager( sorry CFO). I saw your letter today. Either you are willfully ignoring the facts or you are a complete fool.
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Being a democrat or republican DOES matter.. The last time he ran he wrote an article about responsible growth in CCC and stated: "What’s more it just so happens that those property owners are Republicans who didn’t back the incumbent Democrats, who, for years have controlled the Board of Supervisors. It’s not surprising that the Board kept land inside the line, which is owned by their supporters and those who are buddies with the big Democrats in Sacramento." and "These things are just common sense and fair, what government should be about. It’s why we need to elect Republicans to office and replace the incumbent Democrats who don’t offer any real solutions, because they’re pulled by the all the special interests in too many different directions. We need new leadership who will take action. This year we have the opportunity to gain a majority of pro-business, common-sense Republicans to the Board of Supervisors by reelecting Gayle Uilkema in the 2nd District, and electing Mary Nejedly Piepho or Dave Hudson in the 3rd District and me in the 5th District." To see the entire article it is posted at http://politicalvanguard.com/index.php?id=eriknunn. Now Nunn is flipping from his last failed run and in a recent Candidate Forum, "Nunn said he opposes the Tassajara project and the Jack Roddy Ranch proposal, and accused Glover of "flip-flopping."" Who's flip-flopped now?
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Cassie - Your statement is incorrect: "Nunn said he opposes the Tassajara project and the Jack Roddy Ranch proposal..."
Nunn said he SUPPORTS the Roddy Ranch project and that hasn't changed. No flip-flopping. It was at the Contra Costa Council candidates forum and can be viewed on Lisa Vorderbrueggen's Inside Politics website. http://www.ibabuzz.com/insidepolitics/2008/04/11/contra-costa-supervisor...
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"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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BBrentwood says: "Why did Agopian never state that he was a realtor??, "
Gary states he is a realtor oodles of times! let's name a few places... http://www2.smartvoter.org/2008/06/03/ca/cc/vote/agopian_g/
website: http://www.agopian4supervisor.com/bio.php
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Dee - I went back and looked and Gary's page on the League of Women Voter's SmartVoter website does not mention he's a Realtor. It does say Coldwell Banker, but not everyone knows that it's a real estate office. I pointed it out to him at church, last week. Here's what it says exactly:
Occupation: Antioch Unified School District Board of Trustees Antioch School District Budget Task Force, 2003-04 Antioch Economic Development Commission, 2003-2006 27 years in business management for national retailers 5 years with Coldwell Banker (current) Bachelor of Arts, Business Administration Azusa Pacific College Married to Robin, three children, 13-year Antioch resident
See for yourself. http://www2.smartvoter.org/2008/06/03/ca/cc/vote/agopian_g/
But, his own campaign website does mention he's a Realtor:
Gary completed his successfully retail career by managing stores for Best Buy from 2000 until 2003. In that year, Gary made a career change, moving into the real estate business with Coldwell Banker. As a Realtor, Gary...
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I can't believe there are too many people out there that wouldn't know Coldwell Banker is a real estate firm, but you never know? Some people may think he's a banker, but if they are that out of touch, they will probably just randomly select someone.
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BBentwood says: "MANY WILL BE VOTING FOR ERICK NUNN....THE ONLY LOGICAL CHOICE FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY in these uncertain economic times!!!!!!!!!!"
I say: YIKES!
CCtimes said: "OF THE FIVE candidates seeking election to Contra Costa County's Fifth Supervisorial District, only two-term incumbent Federal Glover and challenger Gary Agopian are adequately prepared to serve. Despite some misgivings about Glover, we believe he has grown in the office and deserves re-election."
and... "Of the four candidates challenging Glover, only Antioch school board member Agopian has done his homework in gaining an understanding of the county's unfunded liability situation.
The other three candidates — former Antioch City Councilwoman and Mayor Mary Rocha, Oakley Planning Commissioner and business executive Erik Nunn and real estate agent Don Parscal of Brentwood were woefully unprepared to discuss the county's fiscal problems."
Full article: http://www.contracostatimes.com/search/ci_9200764?IADID=Search-www.contr...
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Dee,
Finally somebody makes sense. I agree with you 100%. The only thing I will add is that I really hope you will consider a run for the school board in november.
Me
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I was very impressed last time around and it looks like we may need someone really strong to take Gary's seat. I hope you'll consider it.
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I appreciate you considering me, but.... I cannot run again for various personal reasons. But do know, I will continue to contribute and help where I can, when I can. :)
I will hope someone strong and able will take the seat of Gary too. Of course that is if he wins superviosr. I would guess if that didn't happen he would run for school board again.
Let's hope for the best. Meanwhile, start lining up some candidates you would like see running for various seats coming up...city council will have a few too.