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Immigration: What do you think of the effect on California of illegal or undocumented immigrants?
Now HERE's a real twist. The comment following was appended to this report on the invasion issue -
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5276422.htmlCL2005 wrote:
Just as people in the US fought for Independence from England, Mexicans started their war for independence from Spain in 1810 and achieved it in 1821.
After independence, the formerly Spanish territories were under Mexican control. Mexico forbid Anglo immigration.
Whites consistently broke Mexican law when they illegally invaded California and the Southwest.
In Texas, the Mexican government had given permission for some whites to emigrate. But thousands more Anglo immigrants, or criminals, arrived illegally.
Prior to 1823, there were less than three thousand white people in Texas. At that time, the Mexican government had given Stephen Austin permission to live there along with a few hundred other Gringos, with the condition that they would become Mexican citizens, they would speak Spanish, and they would pledge allegiance to the Mexican government. But white colonists began to enter the territory illegally and brought their slaves with them. Within a decade, whites outnumbered the Hispanic inhabitants. Gringos were interested in the rich agricultural lands of the Texan territory. These were the illegal aliens of their day, see Patricia Nelson Limerick, The Legacy of Conquest: The Unbroken Past of the American West. By 1830, whites outnumbered Mexicans 25,000 to 4,000.
In 1835 Sam Houston, who had illegally crossed into Texas, argued against mixing with the Mexicans, “no matter how long we may live among them.†See Houston speech to Soldiers, January 15, 1836, in the Papers of the Texas Revolution, 1835-1836, gen. Ed. John J. Jenkins, 4:30. The Gringos eventually overwhelmed the original inhabitants of the territory and began to impose the English language on them.
According to Mexican Lieutenant Jose Maria Sanchez, the foreign intruders “have taken possession of practically all the eastern part of Texas, in most cases without the permission of the authorities. They immigrate constantly, finding no one to prevent them, and take possession of the sitio (location) that best suits them without either asking leave or going through any formality other than that of building their homes.â€
During the Battle of the Alamo, the defenders were fighting for slavery, which Mexico had abolished in Texas in 1829. After the defeats at the Alamo and Goliad, on April 21, 1836, Sam Houston’s army of less than 800 men defeated Santa Anna's army as it camped out on the San Jacinto River, east of present-day Houston. The next day, Houston's army captured Santa Anna himself and forced him to sign a treaty granting Texas its independence, a treaty that was never ratified by the Mexican government because it was acquired under duress.
Soon after, these Anglo aliens usurped Mexicans’ land. They began to dishonor Mexican land claims. They passed new laws in English, a foreign language for those Mexicans whose border had moved. Often Mexican land was auctioned off for pennies an acre for failure to pay taxes. Mexicans were commonly lynched and whole communities were driven out of Texas towns.
Gringos carried out raids in which they murdered Mexicans and forcibly took their land and stocks. Historian A.B.J. Hammet states that Mexican families were “driven from their homes, their cattle and horse and their lands, by an army of reckless, war-crazy people.†In 1839 over a hundred Mexican families were forced to abandon their houses in the town of Nacogdoches by invading Gringos. The mayor of San Antonio in 1840, Juan Seguin, states in his “Personal Memoirs of John N. Seguinâ€, how Mexicans came to him repeatedly from protection of the invading whites. Eventually, he had to flee to Mexico because of personal threats against him.
Anglo outlaws raided Mexican ranches, killing the inhabitants, burning homes and stores. Mexican livestock was declared public property and the invaders forcefully took Mexicans’ property and their land. Mexicans were driven out of Austin in 1853 and again in 1855. They were expelled from Seguin in 1854, from Matagorda and Colorado Counties in 1856, and from Uvalde in 1857.
Rancher Faustino Morales recalls that how the Gringos “came in and drove the Mexicans out and took over their ranches.†See Frank H. Dugan, “The 1850 Affairs of the Brownsfield Separatistsâ€. Southwestern Historical Quarterly 61,no.2.
Years later, whites would also use the Texas Rangers to officially carry out their deeds. “Texas Rangers, in cooperation with land speculators, came into small Mexican villages in the border country, massacred hundreds of unarmed, peaceful Mexicans villagers and seized their lands. See “The Mexican Question in the Southwest, “ Political Affairs March 1939.
Most of the illegal aliens were land speculators and criminals. William Barret Travis had escaped to Mexican territory after he had killed a man. Jim Bowie was a slave trader who had gone into Texas hoping to make some business; Sam Houston and Davy Crockett had participated in the massacre of the Creeks at Horseshoe Bend.
Abb Emanuel Domenech, a religious missionary in Southern Texas, states in “Missionary Adventures in Texas and Mexico†that “The American of the Texan frontiers are, for the most part, the very scum of society-bankrupts, escaped criminals, old volunteers, who after the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, came into a country protected by nothing that could be called a judicial authority, to seek adventure and illicit gains.â€
The Anglo invasion of Mexican territory was not confined to Texas. They arrived in droves and illegally occupied great parts of the Southwest and California.
California Governor Pio Pico warned of how “we find ourselves threatened by hordes of Yankee immigrants who have already begun to flock into our country and whose progress we cannot arrest.â€
By the late 1800’s, Anglos had acquired four fifths of the Mexican land grants. See A History of Multicultural America, by Ronald Takaki. Six years after Texas independence, 1.3 million acres had been seized by 13 anglos. David Montejano, Anglos and Mexicans in the Making of Texas.
Believing in its racist ideology to wipe out other races by killing Indians and stretching to the Pacific Ocean, the United States had previously offered to purchase the Mexican territories of California, New Mexico, and Arizona for $15 milion. Mexico had indignantly refused the offer. Just as George Bush used the pretext of Weapons of Mass Destruction to attack Irak, US President James Polk then instigated war against Mexico in 1846 in hopes of acquiring Mexican territory. Most historians agree that this war was unjustified. Opponents of the war included Henry David Thoreau, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry Clay, Mark Twain and Daniel Webster.
One of the most interesting episodes of the Mexican War surrounded the St. Patrick's Battalion. Among the American troops was a contingent of Irish-born soldiers. After the war commenced, 200 of these soldiers concluded that they were fighting on the wrong side. They didn't like the fact that the United States was using its overwhelming might to invade and conquer a much weaker nation. They deserted the American army and began fighting for the Mexican army.
When U.S. Gen. Winfield Scott and his troops reached Mexico City, after invading at Veracruz, they captured the St. Patrick soldiers and hanged 50 of them.
The Mexican War ended with the surrender of Mexico and with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848. With this treaty, Mexico lost one-half of its territory.
But this illegal and unjust war cannot be justified, just as I cannot go into your home, put a gun to your head, force you to sell me your house for $5, and then pretend that this transaction was just or legal.
Will We Repeat the Mistakes of Mexico?
First time I read the description of events that led to the formation of the Republic of Texas, with a Mexican Vice-President, from Yucatan. I went to high school in Texas and never met anyone that knew a fraction of what is posted.
What was worse? That they came into Mexico in illegally great numbers, or that they came to exploit slaves they brought along. Not a pretty chapter in history.
Some day, June 19th will become a Legal Holiday: Emancipation Day in Texas. The state that will deliver the Presidential election to Sen. Obama.
MikeSar
This article portrays some real numbers of illegal alien criminal invaders in Ventura County.
http://www.toacorn.com/news/2007/1108/Community/020.html
I got a chuckle from the last line when the politically correct (PC) Rep. Gallegly used the phrase criminal illegal immigrants to describe the invaders. Apparently he doesn't have a clue that we don't (knowingly) allow criminals to immigrate into the U.S. Well, except for persons guilty of statutory rape, thanks to the U.S. District Court.
Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, Torlakson, DeSaulnier, Tauscher -
Benedict Arnolds of the New Age of Aztlan
On the legal front there is this case against Tyson and LULAC (a pro-alien invasion Hispanic-only group). The class action suit seeks to recover wages lost by American workers due on the actions of LULAC and Tyson to hire illegal alien invaders to depress wages.
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/206766/
Note that the court put this off until March of next year.
Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi -
Selling America, One Piece At A Time
Here's a story about local sheriffs having to release illegal alien invaders because the Feds wouldn't pick them up.
http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20071121/NEWS/71121037
You don't suppose the fact that 1,000 ICE agents were recently allocated solely to customs enforcement had anything to do with it, do you? The sheriffs should have rented a bus, put all the invaders on board, taken them to Wash. D.C., and handcuff them to the White House fence. Then sent the bill to el Presidente Bush. Then el Presidente could have shared his Thanksgiving taco with them. (since he pardoned the turkey)
Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi -
Selling America, One Piece At A Time
Lou Dobbs was at UCSD for a debate with Morones over the illegal alien invasion. No word from MSM, but I found a couple of blogs that presented a more even-handed reporting job than the MSM.
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/93/boards/view/viewthread?thread=3799210
Then you read the 'News 8' version of the same event and wonder what country you are in ...
http://www.cbs8.com/stories/story.108685.html
If you caught the interview of Lou Dobbs several months back by Leslie Stahl you would have seen how his eyes lit up when he briefly talked about his wife (an Hispanic woman).
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Immigrante - Si! Colonizador - NO!
The City of San Francisco is well on it's way to becoming a terrorist-supporting environment. They plan to issue city 'ID' cards to anyone with a photo id. If that includes the matricula consular card, then the stupidity has been ratcheted up several notches over there ...
http://www.contracostatimes.com/bayandstate/ci_7469195
Immigrante - Si! Colonizador - NO!
The New Mexican War?
The U.S. is now engaged in firing tear gas and pepper spray across the southern border in San Diego. Mexican would-be invaders are throwing Molotov cocktails and rocks.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/nationandworld/ci_7750283
This is why the U.S. State Department has declared the border zone a 'traveler advisory', or place to avoid.
U.S. Congress. The Best That Money Can Buy.
Be Careful How You Vote
This one is too funny for words. The OC Times presents their 'investigation' of illegal aliens arrested in recent times. Seems plausible enough until you read the comments that follow the article.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/costa-mesa-crime-1942532-immigration-police
One poster in particular (truthnow) seems more well-versed than me on the numbers and impact on our society by illegal alien invaders.
Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi -
Selling America, One Piece At A Time
Christmas Message from Invading Hordes
An illegal alien invader who had been released from from a California prison and deported, returned and threatened the life of a mother and child in Fresno on Christmas.
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=5854425
It could have been a real tragedy since Sen.(orita) Feinstein's bodyguard was unavailable to protect the mother and child with his weapon. Fortunately a family member DID have a weapon and the story has a happy ending. Not only did the mother and child survive, but major incarceration costs were saved by the expeditious dispatch of the invader.
Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi -
Selling America, One Piece At A Time
Sorry for the cross-post, but this article addresses 3 top issues - California economic crisis, illegal alien invasion, and the upcoming election.
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=284947429536176
Note that the cost of the invasion in California would more than pay to keep the parks open. All the Guv' has to do is to have a large portion of the state legislature arrested for sedition to get the ball rolling.
Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, Torlakson, DeSaulnier, Tauscher -
Benedict Arnolds of the New Age of Aztlan
RealAmerica
This is a little 'instant karma' from Southern California. The head of a chapter of the racist group MEChA at Palomar College was deported as an illegal alien invader.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20080116-1748-bn16mecha.html
Ya know, there is a pile of money targeted to 'Chicano studies' from our tax dollars. But now that there is no racial 'majority' here in California, shouldn't that practice be considered 'discriminatory'?
Immigrante - Si! Colonizador - NO!
RealAmerica
This is cute. The Feds in bed with Mexico to aid and abet illegal alien invaders in Southern California. I think it's right to make the companies pay wages due (for anyone) for work done, but when you're down in the sewers, you expect to see rats. The illegal aliens should collect their wages, be allowed to plead guilty to breaking U.S. laws, and immediately deported. The companies should be prosecuted out of business. But that's obviously not what the Feds are doing.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-empleo18jan18,1,2183390.story?ctrack=1&cset=true
Now here's an interesting wrinkle. Once an employer finds a bogus SSN
...Josie Gonzalez, a Pasadena attorney who represents employers in immigration matters, said there are contradictions in employment and labor law. For example, a company that discovers that an employee's Social Security number is false may want to terminate the worker and issue a final check but can't do so with the fake number.
Maybe the Fed needs to 'seize' the money (last paycheck) as a result of an on-going criminal enterprise (RICOH Act) and pass it on to the Company as a finder's fee.
RealAmerica
Here's an 'opinion' by the Wall Street Journal about how the Schwartz has thrown in with the Clintons and the Federal Reserve to direct money now going to small businesses (check-cashing and loans) into the mega-big-bux political donor banksWARNING! Have motion sickness meds handy as this will really make your head spin - -
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120113610711211855.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
Notice how they lumped the illegal aliens in with real Americans who have no banking? Notice the absence of stricter identification standards that would prevent financial institutions from aiding and abetting illegal aliens? Notice the absence of mention of predator fees charged by banks? Notice the argument promoting government intrusion into your life with its personal tracking system (the banks)? Note the attitude that 'after all, we in the government know how to run your life better than you do'?
Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, Schwarzenegger
Benedict Arnolds Of the New Age Of Aztlan
RealAmerica
Now this could be reallllly disturbing. Remember the train derailment in Compton 3 years ago? The SUV purposely parked on the tracks and doused with gasoline? The L.A. Daily News reported on the long-term effects recently, and one link led to another, etc. So the first link is the Daily News story. The second points to the more sinister aspect of domestic terrorism. But what if the terrorist is an 'illegal immigrant'(sic)? Is he somehow less a terrorist than, say, an al Quada operative?
http://www.dailynews.com/ci_8080854http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=1669
Believe it or not, this is happening, today, in Mexifornia.
Immigrante - Si! Colonizador - NO!
Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, Torlakson, DeSaulnier, Tauscher, Schwaznegger -
Benedict Arnolds of the New Age of Aztlan
RealAmerica
This article lays out the complications possible from the direction taken by the Schwartz to aid and abet illegal alien invaders by extending banking privileges to them.
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/214937/
It's coming sooner than you think ... Patelco Credit Union already accepts the Consular Matricula card as ID to open an account. So it will be interesting to see if the bank in Arkansas (why, yes, the Huckster Huckabee WAS in charge) will be prosecuted.
Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, Schwarzenegger
Benedict Arnolds Of the New Age Of Aztlan
RealAmerica
Now that the Schwartz has thrown in with the pro-invaders, there was a recent story about the Minutemen in SoCal adopting a piece of the highways to clean near a BP facility. Then the coward reconquista MORONes, who wouldn't face Lou Dobbs in a scheduled debate, protested to CalTrans. CalTrans subsequently reassigned the Minutemen's stretch of highway to a less convenient location.
In a surprising development, the ACLU is supporting the Minutemen's appeal to CalTrans in this article -
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/02/02/news/sandiego/21_25_032_1_08.txt
RealAmerica
Although the author is confused about immigrants and illegal aliens, this article is about a recent raid down south at a printer toner recycling company -
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_8200268?nclick_check=1
The best part, of course, are the comments that follow. Bear in mind that printer toner can do nasty things to the human body, and it is convenient to have slave labor to minimize workers' complaints about handing hazardous material and lack of medical coverage. So while I laud the company's attempt to lower the exorbitant printer supplies prices, it's too bad they got greedy and chose to use illegal alien invaders to increase profits.
RealAmerica
The President of Mexico has accepted an invitation from his Commander-In-Chief, Kalifornia Forces, to speak before the California legislature in the coming week -
http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/news/breaking/2008/02/immigration_again_1.html
Again, the comments are the best part, e.g., the author mentions the $6B in trade with Mexico, but neglects to point out the trade deficit of $2B as one of the commenters did. And that's over and beyond the $1.2B in remittances sent from Kalifornia.
We hear the argument all the time from Hispanic alien-abetting support groups that immigration is a FEDERAL problem, and states don't have a right to enforce border control against illegal alien invaders. So what is Calderdon doing speaking to a STATE legislature without escort of our federal State Department? Exhorting his troops to continue the invasion?
RealAmerica
Edited 2/12/2008 8:39 am by RealAmerica
I have been careful not to single out a particular country of origin when speaking about illegal alien invaders. They come from around the world. Here in the Bay Area, a good many of them are from .... India.
http://www.mercurynews.com/valley/ci_8293975
It's interesting to note, however, that when pro-invader 'support' groups get into their diatribe of calling patriots, or sovereignists, 'racist' yada yada ..., you never see any Indians listed among their ilk. Or Chinese, for that matter. Or Africans. Makes you wonder who the racist bigots really are, doesn't it?
In Los Angeles, Hispanic Gangs Ethnically Cleansing Black Neighborhoods
By Brenda Walker
If Washington wanted to develop a vibrant underworld of vicious criminal gangs, it couldn't do any better than the immigration system now in place. The permissiveness toward lawbreaking border-crossers combined with the pure numbers of immigrants who cannot possibly be assimilated in such bulk has created a witches' brew of crime-spawning social pathology. The worst creatures are the Hispanic gangsters who kill innocent Americans in order to illustrate aptitude for savagery.
A recent heart-breaking example: the slaughter on March 2 of 17-year-old Jamiel Shaw, Jr. The South Los Angeles high school student was shot dead just a few doors from home by two Latino men who jumped from a car and demanded to know to which gang he belonged. When he didn't answer, they shot him down. His father heard the shots and went outside to see his boy bleeding on the sidewalk. [A youth 'on track' until fatal gunfire, By Paloma Esquivel, Paul Pringle and Francisco Vara-Orta, LA Times, March 4, 2008]
Jamiel had no gang connections. He was apparently just another random victim of Hispanic gangsters killing blacks to drive them out of their corner of Aztlan. The promising football star had received inquiries from Stanford and Rutgers universities about a possible athletic scholarship. His mother, Army Sgt. Anita Shaw, was called home from her second tour of duty in Iraq after the murder of her son.
The family is crushed. Dad Jamiel Sr. said they have "simply lost everything."
No arrests have been made in the case. The family is asking the public for help in bringing the killers to justice.
The murder has some similarities to the barbaric shooting of 14-year-old Cheryl Green in December of 2006. The eighth-grade student is said to have strayed into the territory of the 204th Street Latino gang, known for its anti-black racism; she was certainly killed because of her race and because of America's refusal to enforce immigration law.
Two Hispanic men, both members of the 204th Street gang, were arrested a few months later for Cheryl's murder. One, Ernesto Alcarez, is apparently an illegal alien.
The other gangster, Jonathan Fajardo, is the son of immigrants from Belize. He is also accused in the killing of a witness in connection with the Green shooting. Christopher Ash, 25, died of multiple stab wounds and a slit throat.
The City of the Angels recently experienced a daytime gang battle that brought out the police SWAT team and closed down dozens of blocks for six hours. Several schools were locked down for that time.
Veteran L.A. Police Department officials described the bizarre midday shootings—and the widespread disruption they caused—as highly unusual even in an area known for gang activity. It left the neighborhood littered with shell casings and its residents fearful.
Police blamed the incident on the notorious Avenues gang, which has cast a wide shadow over districts north of downtown L.A. for decades and continues to be active despite several high-profile attempts by authorities to shut it down. [Gang mayhem cripples large area, LA Times, February 22, 2008]
Los Angeles used to be a wonderful American city. Now that it has become Mexican (in the words of former Mayor Hahn), LA is a preview of the future America. It should alarm many more citizens into pro-sovereignty activism.
Gangs are the inevitable blowback from importing millions of excess, unskilled workers from the third world, who end up in bitter competition with one another and home-grown citizens. Normal family dynamics are scrambled by the immigration process. Young children may gain inordinate power compared to elders by their ability to speak English, and the generation gap is magnified to an unhealthy degree. Young people feel culturally estranged from older family members and bond with other kids in similar circumstances. The situation is completely predictable as an environment for gang formation.
Los Angeles is Ground Zero for gangs in the country. The County is home to as many as 1,200 gangs with 80,000 members. The cost could be $2 billion annually for all of their destructive criminal activity. [Who'll stop the gangs?, LA Times, February 27, 2008]
In the city of Los Angeles, a 2005 estimate put Hispanic gang membership as the most numerous at over 23,000, while black gangs amounted to fewer than 16,000.
Apart from strictly gang crime, a report from The Economist detailed how blacks suffer disproportionately in hate crimes in LA. In over 400 such crimes in 2006, blacks in the County were victims 59 percent of the time, while they comprise just nine percent of the population. In 70 percent of the time, the perps were Hispanic. [When black and brown collide, August 2, 2007]
Because of the brutal gang crimes that shock and worry the public, the city government occasionally presents a public relations event or expensive new social program to create the appearance that something is being done. The recent gang conference, which set up a program to exchange a handful of police officers with El Salvador, was one of the former. Sheriff Baca used the occasion to sound concerned.
"Over the last decade, in Los Angeles County, we've lost more than 5,800 people to gang violence in comparison to less than 500 people to natural disasters," [Sheriff] Lee Baca said at the second annual International Chiefs of Police Summit on Transnational Gangs which opened here earlier in the day. [Official: Los Angeles haunted by gang violence, China View, March 4, 2008]
Funny thing—none of the assembled expert police officers suggested that the notoriously criminal-friendly Special Order 40 might be rescinded to fight gang violence more effectively.
LA's own sanctuary law prohibits police from asking about immigration status and removes what would be a very useful tool for officers. In her 2005 Congressional testimony, scholar Heather Mac Donald noted specific instances where Special Order 40 protected criminals and allowed them to commit more crimes.
It doesn't help people outside the area understand what's going on when the local newspaper of record is at times downright secretive in revealing the cultural identity of the perps. (Los Angeles residents don't need a diagram about who does the crimes.) Gleaning the demographic facts about crime from the LA Times can require the considerable detective skills.
For example, a report about the Feb 22 shootout had only one little hint about who the Avenues gang might be.
The Avenues gang has cast a long shadow in these poor, largely Latino sections north of downtown L.A. [Gang mayhem cripples large area]
Even the profoundly corrupt Southern Poverty Law Center states forthrightly that the Avenues gangsters are a bunch of Mexicans.
Although the Avenues gang goes back a half century, it only fell heavily under the control of the Mexican Mafia in the 1980s, eventually becoming fundamentally racist as a result. (Police point out that, ironically, the Avenues now sling dope for the Mexican Mafia, which the gang's leaders in decades past looked down upon as a "black thing.") [L.A. Blackout, SPLC Intelligence Report, Winter 2006]
On the other hand, the LA Times now has an online blog, the Homicide Report, which provides crime notices that clearly state ethnic identities. It is sobering reading.
The violence that makes headlines gets all the attention. But the fear imposed by crime can be pervasive and deadening to the spirit. Consider the loss of freedom required to protect children when gangs rule the neighborhood:
Marie Keith, who is black, moved from South Los Angeles with her three daughters in 2000, believing she'd come to Torrance. One day black children playing on the street began screaming that "the 204s were coming."
Keith watched as gang members drove through, shooting. Black youths dived behind walls.
Since then, Keith's children have not been allowed to play in front of their apartment. When she has to travel more than half a block, she drives. [How a community imploded, LA Times, March 4, 2007, by Sam Quinones]
No American should have to live in such conditions. No citizen child should have to stay indoors to be safe from rampaging foreigners. Living with a reasonable expectation of protection against crime is part of inhabiting a first-world country. We spend a lot of money on police and prisons.
Hispanic gangsters are reconquistas with baggy pants and tattoos. They are ethnically cleansing black citizens out of parts of LA now, but indications are more of the same for the rest of us—first through the Southwest, next in America as a whole. Crime works well as a technique of the low-intensity warfare that is part and parcel of immigration as invasion.
Sounds apocalyptic? The social pathology in Los Angeles proves that we have exceeded the level of immigration we can accommodate.
When Hispanic gang members routinely drive around looking for random black people to kill, then America has far too many immigrants.
Brenda Walker (email her) lives in Northern California and publishes two websites, LimitsToGrowth.org and ImmigrationsHumanCost.org. She admires the poetry of Jesse Jackson, and in that spirit, suggests that immigration should be ended, not mended.
ref: http://vdare.com/walker/080310_gangs.htm
I'm already sick to my stomach with the issue of illegal immivasion, and even more with all gang activity, especially with hispanic gangs and the notorious (P)MS14. I get tired of hearing the excuses coming from cities who say that they are being overwhelmed with the crimes comitted by these putos, but I think its time that cops do a series of sweeps in every community to pick up and arrest suspected gangsters. I know the issue of civil rights and due process will always be screeching out of the mouths of leftist lawyer groups and the unAmerican ACLU, but if something needs to be done, then rules need to be broken for specific purposes, and the full might of SWAT needs to be unleashed on these animals with zero tolerance. Something like this may open a can of worms, but the nation put it on itself and its time to act now, or not at all.
This is the news the CCTimes won't print. Our resident Reconquista gubernator is spewing more half-truths about the Mexifornication of this fair state. He stated today that immigration was not the cause of the budget mess we're in (1/2 truth) being $8 billion short. But the media conveniently didn't ask the most obvious question - "Well, how much are illegal aliens costing California in unreimbursed costs?" (hint: the unchecked influx of illegal aliens in the Bay Area has overcome the clean air savings of ABAG II, and ESL takes 1/4 to 1/3 of every childs day in school). But the Schwartz is determined that unchecked population growth and rewarding illegal conduct, aka 'immigration reform', is what is best for us.
ref:
http://www.sacbee.com/749/story/813793.html
Well, here's $2M reasons why our state budget is so far in arrears. One illegal alien got on the Medi-Cal bandwagon and has soaked the taxpayers for the cost of 3 liver transplants, so far, with another waiting in the wings.
C'mon, can't we find some American, somewhere, who could use a free liver transplant? It's time to stop the practice of not asking citizenship status from state-funded patients.
http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-liverdebate,0,2370534.story
There is no doubt that the invasion from the South has drained our State's coffers and it only will get worse. Those who benefit from this tragedy- School Districts and the Teachers Union who keep their jobs, Employers who can keep prices high and lower their labor costs, the Prison System where 35% of the inmates are illegal aliens, Health Services who can now justify their existence with higher demand for their services - have no incentive to change the way it is. They can hide behind a false pretense of caring about human rights and the glory of mankind, but the truth is that in the short-term they see an economic benefit to having illegal aliens demanding their services. At least Governor Schwarzenegger has taken the hard line in the State and demanded that excessive spending is over - 35% increase in only the last five years. Now that they have revised their deficit estimates we realize that it is much worse than anticipated. Don't be fooled into believing that this does not come from illegal immigration as it continues to drain our scarce resources and there is little hope of a turnaround. If illegals stopped sending kids to school and stopped getting free health care which we all subsidizing then things might be different.
Here's an article touting the savings when illegal aliens pack up and leave a state.
ref: http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/05/15/striking-changes-in-a...
Hmmmmm, if illegal aliens are leaving AZ due to state anti-invasion efforts, where do you suppose they are headed next? HINT: Sen.(orita) Feinstein, (D-CA) is offering an amnesty bill in the Senate as you read this.
The impact on California aside, we have allowed our politicians to cater to illegal activities. This is not specific to either major party. Repbulicans want more illegals because it's cheap labor; Democrats want more illegals because it's easy to scare the uneducated into voting for you.
Like any other laws, if the country generally ignores them, they are meaningless. Think of the posted speed limits. Technically, driving 5 mph over should grant you a fine or worse. However, persons who OBEY the law are generally scorned by the majority of us who regularly break it. So my question is, why have a law we have no intention of enforcing? It's silly. Either elimnate the law or enforce them. Period.
I live in Oregon which, perhaps not surprisingly, also has a significant problem with undocumented and illegal workers. Believe it or not, agriculture is the second most important business in Oregon. During the summer harvesting season, it employs over 80,000 seasonal workers. While estimates vary, most will agree that somewhere between 70%-75% of these workers are illegal.
Like many states, Oregon has adopted some rather stiff laws regarding illegal workers. Which poses some interesting questions:
• Will agribusiness flaut the law and continue to hire illegal workers?
• Will law enforcement enforce the law, and if so, how stringently? Will it focus on finding and tracking down workers, or will it focus on those who hire them (or both)? Will the judicial system enforce the law, and if so, how stringently? Will it focus on both sides equally, or focus on just one?
• Will agribusiness offer higher wages to lure legal workers to pick fields and orchards? Will the consuming public pay higher prices resulting from the higher costs?
• Will agribusiness mechanize wherever possible (perhaps increasing volume while reducing quality)? What factor will increased costs for fuel have on the price of product for sale in the store?
• Will agribusiness fold up and just not produce as much? Will this result in food shortages? If so, how will this contribute to prices and to the rising pressure on food supplies worldwide?
• Will ma and pa start their own truck gardens to supplant (or support) agribusiness. Will small farmers find a market left vacant by agribusiness? Or will "small" farmers also feel the pinch of not having seasonal workers? What is "small", and what role does small farming play in the global food economy?
And so on ...
This article is a nice trip down nostalgia lane, and ends up showing how easily paradise is lost when liberal forces are not properly balanced with conservative ones.
http://www.vdare.com/walker/080527_crowdifornia.htm
Note the fresh water issue looming ahead of us. Our actions have put the Sacramento salmon on the endangered species list, where at one time the salmon industry was a 10s of millions dollar industry.
So for all the liberals whose favorite excuse is "What's the harm ...?", no fresh salmon this year from one of the world's premier fisheries. Are the illegal alien invaders really worth it?
That's right, the reconquista Mark De Saulnier has sold out his constituency by voting to accept the California DREAM act today. This provision allows illegal alien invaders and their children to displace California and American citizens from California colleges! AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE!
ref: http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery (select VOTES to see rollcall)
It is because of globalist liberals like him that Mexifornia has become literally bankrupt.Who in their right mind thinks we can afford him in California politics any longer? It's bad enough he gets a sweetheart retirement for being able to bring the state finances into complete chaos, then adds this insult to injury!
I need to getta grip ....
The following article was pulled from the headlines of CCTimes -
Santa Rosa police investigating apparent murder-suicide
The Associated Press
Article Launched: 06/03/2008 06:40:22 AM PDT
SANTA ROSA, Calif.—Santa Rosa police say the shooting deaths of a 15-year-old girl and a 40-year-old man appear to be a murder-suicide.
A police spokesman says a 13-year-old girl called police Monday saying that her uncle had shot someone and then turned the gun on himself.
When officers arrived at the single-family home they found the 15-year-old and the man dead inside.
Police say the teenage victim was the niece of the man.
Investigators have not released their names, but say no suspects are being sought.
In addition to Monday's deaths, Santa Rosa police are investigating three other homicides since early May.
Maybe it was pulled after the names (Hispanic) were released and people started wondering if Sanctuary City status for Santa Rosa was really such a good idea ...
This article might get your dander up. It's primarily about pro-invasion political agenda taught in Los Angeles Unified School District, and it may well preview things to come in Concord and other nearby sanctuary cities ...
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/03/a-public-school-field-tripto-the-lo...
The comments, of course, mostly reflect resistance to the agenda taught at Mexifornia schools, and seems to indicate more and more parents opting for home schooling as a result.
The policy makers for CalTrans (the Schwartz) are showing their anti-immigrant colors and continue stomp on the California Constitution by mis-labeling the Minutemen as anti-immigrant in order to keep the borders open for invasion to support their progrom of Mexifornication.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/bayandstate/ci_9574648
That's right, the reconquista invasion-supporting traitorous 'representative' voted for AB 2076 which would deny California government entities the single tool they have to detect illegal alien invaders at the workplace. Althought e-Verify is far from perfect, it is a start for the Feds as a tool to root out illegal aliens. AB2076 prohibits the new Mexifornia from using this tool to free us from the tax-sucking, arrogant, lawless, invading hordes. To see how your representative voted check out -
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_2051-2100/ab_2076_vote_2008...
(see poll - http://forums.contracostatimes.com/poll/what-should-we-do-with-immigrati... ) and let the traitor Torlakson know he should vote AGAINST this bill, unless he can pay for it.
Tomorrow morning, call 'traitor' Tom Torlakson's office and let them know that you Do NOT support AB 2076, and that you DO NOT want to turn all of California into the cess-pool that Los Angeles has become. AB 2076 prevents California government bodies (cities, police, social services, etc.) from using the Federal e-Verify system to validate employment eligibility by checking against the Social Security database of numbers.
http://www.capsweb.org/wrapper.php?wrapper_id=1&menu_id=5&menu_item_id=1...
(select the 'Elected Officials' tab, and enter your Zip code to find your California state senator.)
(see poll - http://forums.contracostatimes.com/poll/what-should-we-do-with-immigrati... )
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