Are East Bay carpool toll lanes a good idea?


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Yes. I need my car and wouldn't mind taking on a couple of passengers to cut the number of cars on the road.
19% (53 votes)
No. I'm opposed to paying more money to drive on state highways. Spend the money on buses and trains instead!
81% (225 votes)
Total votes: 278
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auntigommy
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Joined: Apr 2008
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We are already paying for a car pool lane that we can't use.  We've paid for this lane!  This lane should be open to anyone during commute times and used for only one person during non-commute hours.  This would relieve a lot of conjestion.  It horrible to see such traffic jams on the freeways when there is a lane completely open waiting for someone with more than one in the car to come along and use it.  These rules for this lane need to be reversed!

Energy21
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Joined: Jul 2008
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High Occupancy Toll (hot) olone is a 20th Century solution to a 21st Century problem.  It might be a good business deal for CalTrans in the short run, but the long term solution is in building public transportation infrastructure and weaning ourselves from the private vehicle/suburban sprawl mess that most larger American cities/metro areas are currently struggling with .  Bus Rapid Transit Sytems (BRTS) like the Integrated Transportation System in Curitiba, Brazil move commuters at densities rivalaling those of large city rail/metro systems but at a fraction of the cost by utilizing dedicated bus lanes and metro-type stations. BRTS are well suited for removing traffic from freeways and other commuter arteries (that suffer from stop-and-go to gridlock conditions no matter how many billions of dollars are plowed into additional lanes). It would also provide transfer ridership for existing poorly-used bus routes and stimulate the addition of new routes to move commuters effectively from point A to B and back in a timely fashion. Perhaps a hybrid of BRTS and HOT would provide a good mix of commute options at different price points.

blitzers6
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Joined: Jul 2008
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This poll is stacked.

Really.  It's like being asked, "Have you stopped beating your wife, yet?"   The two choices are almost as poor as this Presidential elecion, and only a cut above the once-ubiquitous, "Paper or plastic?"

Let's face it: NEITHER of the two possible answers is desirable.  Seriously.  Is the choice REALLY between "spend mony on an HOT lane" and "spend money on public transit"?

What about -- and forgive my brilliance, here -- "spend money on a normal traffic lane"?  Where's the crime in THAT reasonable idea??

The implication, here, is this:
The money cannot be spent unless the project involves some kind of bureaucratic social engineering.

Of course, my baloney detector is telling me that last point is really the dirty little secret behind this, and -- quite frankly --- under THOSE terms, I'd opine we've no business spending the money at all.

But, let's take a minute, here, to kill off this ridiculous HOT lane garbage.

Say we have a freeway with three normal traffic lanes, none of them HOV lanes.

Since we have a congestion problem during peak traffic hours, we decide to add a fourth lane to provide relief; increasing the carrying capacity of our freeway by 33 percent.  Looking at that another way, we're distributing the same number of cars across 33% more pavement, so ~25% of the traffic will flow down each lane.

This is a GOOD THING; everyone gets down the road faster, so traffic doesn't stack up like it did before.   Since the idea is, ostensibly at least, to "curb traffic", this solution looks like a good one.

Hold on, though, because here comes a nameless government bureaucrat with a typically bureaucratic idea:
"What WE need to do is find a way to make some revenue off of this dilemma.  YEAH,  THAT'S the ticket!  Revenue!  We'll lay down another lane, sure, but we'll charge money to use it!  Ta-DA!"

So, before the concrete has time to set up -- BLATT!! -- we slap an HOT restriction on our brand new strip of pavement.

"HA!  You foolish sheeple!  You paid taxes to build this; NOW you shall pay even MORE to use it!!   AAaah-HA-HA-HA-ha-ha-ha-hahaaaa!!"  [You know, Heath Ledger could have done that line real justice.]

Magic question time:
What percentage of drivers who already paid for the new lane will be willing to pay more to use the new lane?

Do you realize that, unless the lane usage exceeds 25%, which is not bloody likely, the HOT restirction will DIMINISH the throughput of the new lane?

Left wide open as a regular lane, just like the original three, our new lane can carry 25% of the traffic on the freeway.  Making it an HOT lane will all but guarantee that the lane will never see that level of usage; essentially meaning that we all pay FULL PRICE for something that isn't going to be fully utilized.

You wouldn't buy an LCD TV if only 80% of the screen worked.

You wouldn't buy a new car if it had only three out the four wheels.

Heck, you wouldn't buy a dozen eggs if there were only eleven in the box.

So why in Sam Hill would anyone think it sane to ask taxpayers to pay 100% for a slab of concrete that ~90% of them won't want to PAY EVEN MORE to use??

The idea is absurd on its face.

Having persevered with me this far, for which I thank you, now do yourself a favor:  call your favorite Bay Area politician and tell them that, as a taxpayer, you'll have none of this hare-brained HOT lane scheme.

ArmyDad
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Joined: Jun 2006
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HOORAY! Blitz you have my vote. Where do I sign up for your campaign? Oh wait, your idea make sense therefore you can not be a politician. Plus the fact that you all ready told us how you would do it instead of hinting about how you would "change" this.

If I thought that any of our local politicians would listen to reason about this I would flood them with your note alone. Why is it that the dumb people are the ones who always hold office and therfore the purse strings on our tax dollars. Maybe because the smart ones know better.

I don't see what is wrong with our roads now. We have the HOV lanes during commute hours and then open the remaining time. They work fine with a few exceptions.

blitzers6
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Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 3

The current system of HOV lanes, although it's been largely accepted by us unwashed masses, is flawed in all the same ways that the proposed HOT lanes are flawed, except that users don't pay extra to use them; everyone else pays for NOT being able to use them.  We, the taxpayers, have payed for those additional lane miles to get laid down, but only ~9% to ~12% of freeway traffic qualifies to use those lanes during restricted hours, which just happen to be the hours when demand for freeway carrying capacity is highest.

It's nothing less than a daily slap in the face to us social "üntermensch" who drive solo.

The whole system REEKS of anti-freedom ecosnobbery, and bears the mocking thumbprint of "Those Who Know Better"; a cadre of bureaucrats and social engineers [is that a redundancy??]  with the power to afflict the rest of us with the mind products of their own self-loathing.

If there were ANY sanity, there'd be crews out there tonight sandblasting the diamonds off of the pavement, and taking down the signs.

And, yes, I DO, in fact know what a "fat chance" is.

Sadly.

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