Thursday, 7/10/2008 - 11:12 a.m. PDT — I think he is
Clayton
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A liar.
From the thread titled Bush Legacy, a ardent and, perhaps paid, supporter of Obama claims that Obama has never lied to the public.I point out that his two books do not agree on the facts and that there are numerous contradictions about his philosophy and early life. His campaign is as rife with flip flops on policy issues, (which I content is the equivalent of a lie), as Kerry’s.Commentators have opine it is because Obama does not have a core of values upon which he relies for his ethics and morality; that he is a relativist whose morality is dictated by his immediate needs. He says what a specific audience wants to hear, whether or not it is his actual philosophy, because his immediate need is to get elected.I think that the progress of Obama’s campaign proves that this commentary is very on point.
But hey, I am curious as to what other people think on this matter, so please vote on this poll.
I was wrong I figure you openned a cans worms on this one, however judging by the voting, people seem to think voting on a summer song is more important then, who is going to our president the next 4 years
But I think the response to the question is very clear. Of those who actually think and care about the election about the election(which is a small percent of the population), clearly Obama is seen to be a liar. Still think you are going to win this election?
But you are asking for discussion on something that is too obvious. Cincin has not known an honest day on this earth. Did you know that it claims to be a school teacher? No wonder our children are in such poor shape intellectually.
Behold Barack doing yet another Obama, this one vintage 2006:
But what I know is, Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America. I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate.
Ooops.
Or in the words of The Washington Post - a scant six months later:
Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, a vocal defender of Sen. Joe Lieberman earlier this year, is urging Connecticut voters to rally behind his rival, Ned Lamont.
Not that that would have surprised William F. Buckley who, just prior to the Obama swithceroo, noted that "in politics, vows of fidelity are renewable every 24 hours."
The Buckley-Lieberman bond is as uplifting as the Obama-Lieberman link is a downer.
Buckley on Lieberman:
Joe Lieberman is a singular human being. He has personal support from people who know him, and who sense in him a true love for God and country.
Lieberman on Buckley:
I have lost a dear and cherished friend who I have known for more than 40 years.
One could disagree with him -- as I did quite frequently -- and never lose respect or affection, dare I say love, for a wonderful human being.
Contrast that with the crassness of Barack Obama:
latching on to Lieberman -- who, when Obama was just a two-year-old, had registered Black voters in Mississippi -- as his senate mentor,
whooshing to Connecticut to rally support for his colleague's re-election,
then forking over $5,000 to defeat the man who had embraced him from the start.
Barack Obama speaks frequently of the Golden Rule, but lives one of his own: If he helps my career, flaunt him; if he doesn't, dump him. That rule is universal, applying to principle as well as people, the sacred as well as the profane - anything, and anyone, that gets in the way, anything, and anyone, to get ahead.
Barack Obama boasts that world leaders would look to him. But what would they see if they did? Would they glimpse in him what Margaret Thatcher saw in Mikhail Gorbachev?
I like Mr. Gorbachev. We can do business together. We both believe in our own political systems. He firmly believes in his; I firmly believe in mine. We are never going to change one another. So that is not in doubt, but we have two great interests in common.
What leader would know what Barack Obama "firmly believes" -- or that he firmly believes anything at all?
It's not just hard to have faith in Barack Obama, it's hard to have faith in his faith itself. Just last week he said,
it's been a journey that began decades ago on the South Side of Chicago, when, working as a community organizer, helping to build struggling neighborhoods, I let Jesus Christ into my life.
But just last year his spiritual saga had a different paternity:
And I heard Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called "The Audacity of Hope." And during the course of that sermon, he introduced me to someone named Jesus Christ.
But then Jeremiah got in the way, as had Joe, so Jeremiah and Joe both had to go. Both learned what America and the world may learn too late - that the one thing you can count on about Barack Obama is that you can't count on Barack Obama.
No matter how scholarly about Scripture this "devout Christian" purports to be, he can't fathom Christ's simple command: "Simply let your ‘Yes' be ‘Yes' and your ‘No' be ‘No.'" Be a man of your word.
No matter how often he cites Old Testament and New, he misses the Bible's single, simple message: keep your word. God keeps His to you, keep yours to Him and to your fellow man.
No matter how often he cites his Hawaiian or Kansas or Selma or other American roots, he still doesn't grasp, much less live, what the Founders declared:
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
That pledge had weight because all 56 signers were men of their word.
So, too, Bill Buckley, so, too, Joe Lieberman -- Christian and Jew, conservative and liberal -- yet steadfast: men of honor, men of their word.
And then there's Barack Obama: a man of words whose word is worthless.
Barack the messiah has fallen from grace. Here he was, a "racial healer," a hip Hypester straight from Change & Hope, hypnotizing millions of worshippers, a modern William Jennings Bryant dazzling the mobs with the image of an America crucified on a Cross of Gold. Well, recently Obama is just another shifty-eyed, moondancin' pol from the Chicago Machine, playing the race card like Jesse Jackson, even according to The New Yorker. He makes outright deals with corruptocrat Tony Rezko to get his home cheap, and with the Teamsters to buy their election troops in exchange for Federal oversight leniency. He's been lolling in bed with the wild-eyed zealots of ACORN for ten years or more.
The liberal media are down on him today -- but of course they're counting on the Braindead Vote to forget all about that in November when they lift him up again, just in time for the election. They're stuck with O'Bumbler, and he knows it.
So Obama has been lying his head off. Can we count the ways? On Iraq, he's was agin' it before, but he's for it now. On Iran, he's was for it before, and agin' it now. On FISA terrorist surveillance, he just voted for what the hysterical Left has convinced itself to be a Nazi attack on civil rights. On Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, he's danced about that one half a dozen times, always ending up on a different side. But liberal Jews will still vote for him, because they hate George W. Bush more than they love reality.
Obama is going to attack John McCain from the right, believe it or not, figuring that the Sucker Vote will fall for it. And he might be right.
So when is Obama not lying? When you catch him unawares. He wasn't lying in his San Francisco sneers for the white voters of Pennsylvania. He wasn't lying when he said everybody (except Obama) should learn Spanish. He wasn't lying when he was riffing about a jazz-based Black identity curriculum to fix all the education problems of the inner city. He wasn't lying when he said that Iran is just a "tiny country" (it isn't) that poses no threat to the US (it does). He was just riffin' free like a rock guitar player in all those cases, just out of the inspiration of the moment, but he wasn't lying.
You have to remember, though, that he's a quick study, and he'll fix all the dumb mistakes in no time. Obama is a rookie who's learning to act like a pro fast -- but he has no depth of knowledge about anything that matters. He's a pure creature of the dogmatic Left -- during his adolescence with Frank Marshall Davis, in his education at Occidental, Columbia and Harvard Law, in his alliance with ACORN and Bill Ayers, in his two autobiographies, in his Alinsky period as a community agitator -- excuse me, "organizer" -- when he clung to such as Rev. Jeremiah Wright because it served his vast ambitions. Obama is the slickest empty suit the Democrats have had since the early Clintons. That's what they wanted, and that's what they got.
The biggest question is still why Barack Obama is so sure, deep in his heart, that he's qualified to lead this country of 300 million human souls at a time of war and crisis? Why is a rookie Illinois legislator who constantly played footsie with the Chicago Machine, with Black "Liberation" Theology -- the new psychic slavery for inner city Black folks -- and with corruptos like Tony Rezko -- why is this slick street hustler so profoundly convinced that he, and only he, can save this country and the Planet?
That question belongs somewhere in the depths of human pathology. It has something to do with being abandoned by his father and mother in Hawaii and Indonesia, and leaning on old mentor Frank to imagine a messianic future for him. But it's no qualification to wildly overestimate your own experience and abilities so that you are just living in your own rockstar fantasy life. That was the way of Bill and Hillary, the Arkansas country slicksters, who also had liberals by the millions suckered to the gills.
So when is Obama not lying? When he blurts out his real opinions in private. Fortunately he is so undisciplined and overconfident that he'll do that often enough. And Obama's wife Michelle is a genuine PC Commissar, straight from the Russian steppes, who just cannot think outside of the racial resentment box. This is Hillary & Bill, Version 2.0; a trendier paint job but the same old putt-putt under the hood.
Well, the Dems and the media sold us eight years of the Clintons in 1992, culminating in the 9/11 disaster in New York City and the Pentagon. This time the liberal powers are going to try again with a couple of Black slicksters. They will lie and lie and lie and still be covered up by the media. Get ready.
And if you want to save your country, go all out for the only choice we have. You don't have to like John McCain --- all you have to do is contemplate the alternative.
And pray for your country. Your country will need it.
IF Obama is a Christian, when was he baptized? According to Dr. Boys, he has never been baptized, to the extent his church is willing to admit.
If Obama is a Committed Christian, When was he Baptized?
ByDr. Don BoysFriday, July 18, 2008
Senator Barack Hussein Obama claims to be a Christian; however, he gives no evidence of that. In fact, his heretical statement indicates that he, like many others, is simply a professor rather than a possessor of Christ. His revealing statement: “I believe there are many paths to the same place.” He is correct if one wants to go to Hoboken but not if one wants to go to Heaven. Christ is still the only way.
One does not have to be a Christian to be a good President, and a person might be a good President even if he were a Muslim. The big question: Is he lying and if so then we have every reason to question him before he gets to the Oval Office. It’s bad enough to have a liberal whose policies are like the elastic in an old lady’s drawers—stretching to fit any shape or circumstance but to have a liar in the Oval office (as we have seen before) could destroy us.
He went forward at Trinity United Church of Christ 20 years ago for membership but when was he baptized? Does Obama know that joining a church or being baptized have nothing to do with becoming a Christian? I have tried repeatedly to discover when he was baptized but without success. I talked and emailed Trinity and his website many times without success. The media person at Trinity told me that the church requires baptism either before applying for membership or at that time. So, was he baptized and if not, why not? Did his pastor at the time make special provisions for him? It’s a very simple question that can be easily answered. If he has never been baptized, why not?
Baptism has always been the public mark of a personal decision to trust Christ as personal Savior. While evangelicals and fundamentalists do not believe baptism is essential for salvation, we do believe that it is the public identification of personal faith. It is a break with the past denominational and doctrinal errors and a declaration to follow Christ. Would public baptism be too much of a break with his Muslim past?
There is no doubt that he was born and reared a Muslim and attended a Muslim school where he was registered as a Muslim and learned to recite the Koran in Arabic. He attended special classes to learn the Koran and that showed far more commitment than American kids going to Sunday school.
Obama’s website declares, “Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.” However, his spokesman told the LA Times that he wasn’t a “practicing Muslim.” Which is it? There is a big difference in “never” being a Muslim and not being a “practicing” Muslim. His website states, “Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ.” I question the validity of that statement.
He was born a Muslim (His father, stepfather and grandparents were all Muslims.) and if he is a “committed” Christian then when was he baptized? All Christian denominations would admit that baptism is essential to qualify a believer as “committed.” Obama confesses in Dreams From My Father, that he studied the Koran in a “Muslim school.” In that Muslim school, his teacher wrote his mother to tell her, “[Obama] made faces during Koranic studies.” Can’t we take his word about that or has he flip-flopped on that as well as many other issues? Of course, he was a Muslim and is he one now? . All right, what’s the big deal about his religion? If Obama was a Muslim and is now a Christian then he is an apostate and in the peaceful religion of Islam, apostates are killed. That is important for anyone and for an American leader, it could be catastrophic—for him and America. If Obama is still a Muslim, that also could be catastrophic and we have a right, no an obligation, to discover the truth.
We are told that he confesses to being a Christian and not a Muslim so isn’t that good enough. No, because Islam permits lying if it furthers the cause of Islam! Muslims can even deny Mohammed as the Prophet of Allah as long as they do not mean it and if it helps their cause. It would help their cause if they had one of their own as president! Moreover, every Muslim is obligated to make the nation in which he lives a Muslim nation so I want to know about Obama and his baptism.
Questions some intrepid reporter must ask Obama:
·1. Are you willing to confess that you were a Muslim in your youth?
·2. Have you been baptized in a Christian church, and if so where and when?
·3. Since you profess to being a Christian, do you think all Muslims should have the right to convert to other religions?
·4. Would you as president support the right of Christians to start churches in Saudi Arabia and other Islamic nations?
·5. Will you repudiate all anti-white, anti-Jewish, anti-Israel fanatics?
·6. Do you believe the Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years?
·7. How do you answer the charge that either you agreed with Pastor Wright’s caustic, un-American, anti-Jewish, anti-white diatribe or you were incredibly naïve by being a member of his church for 20 years?
·8. Senator, you are accused of lying about numerous things such as your father being a goat herder, your grandfather’s social and financial status, your Selma connection, the Kennedy “air lift,” your legislation in the U.S. Senate, etc., so why should we trust you in the Oval office?
·9. Senator, you have spent fewer than 200 actual days in the U.S. Senate so why should we trust one of such inexperience to be the leader of the Free World?
Don’t count on any reporter asking those questions. To ask them would be prima fascia evidence to many that the reporter is a bigot! Are Americans so stupid and deluded? If so, our nation is on the toboggan slide to oblivion. I predict that a President Barack Hussein Obama would lead America over the cliff with flags waving and bugles blaring. And maybe we deserve it!
So, Senator, if you are a Christian, when were you baptized as a public profession that you have rejected all past alliances with Islam and are intent on living as a Christian?
How long does it take for radical right wingnuts to start telling lies about great new leaders like Obama?...Opps sorry it actually started before he was the presumptive nominee.., see little green dingle berries and other radical right wingnut blogs. In fact see some of the other right wingnut propaganda bits earlier in these forums.
Don't fret though because if you are foolish enough to read forums like this you will soon find out that the radical right wingnuts just use them for their usual propaganda platforms in order to try and make you forget about the incompetency of the current President and all of the Republicans that have been ruining iur country for the past eight years.
Look on the horizon I see many groups similar to the bogus swift boaters of the last campaign receiving their checks from various Texas oil companies and some of the same bankers who helped the Bush syndicate create the current home mortgage crises.
On a different thread,(Obama FAQ) an Obama supporter supplied the evidence of another lie. To Wit…..
On being a muslim, at one time -
Enrolled in Fransiskus Assisis Catholic school for grades 1-3, where options to state religion fell under Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Obama was registered in school as a muslim. By his own account later in life converted to Christianity.
Obama has said that he never was a muslim, and shays repeated that statement. As you have demonstrated IT IS ANOTHER LIE.
Do lies matter? When it is an issue of trust, yes, and being president is an issue of trust.
The evidence that the certificate of live birth (COLB) produced to prove the date and place of Sen. BarackObama's birth is a forged document just keeps getting more damning. A board-certified computer forensics examiner with more than 20 years experience, including clearance by the U.S. Department of Justice for sensitive work, has determined that the ObamaCOLB is a digitally modified forgery based on a COLB belonging to another person. The expert, using the pseudo name "Techdude", intends to disclose the identity of the person to whom the COLB belongs if the responsible person does not come forward and accept responsibility for the forgery. Techdudewrites at the Texas Darlin blog, a pro Clinton blog, as follows:
For a quick preview – the original COLB used to create the KOSCOLB image belongs to a female and does not belong to Obama. Another follow up report will reveal exactly who the original underlying COLB did belong to. Trust me when I tell you it is going to be one hell of a major twist that no one would have seen coming. I had to quadruple check my results because I did not even believe it and I currently have a few other people double and triple checking my results as well just to be 100% sure.
That said, and in the interest of fairness, if the people responsible for forging the COLB come forward and admit their liability the name of the original COLB owner will not be released publicly. It is only fair to give the guilty parties a chance to take responsibility for their actions before it embarrasses a lot of people and ruins some people’s reputations.
As a heads up to the guilty parties – the names and dates have already been restored – as has the fact the owner is a female born in the 70’s. That is all that will be revealed publicly for now. Besides if I turn up in a ditch someplace the information is already in a few 3rd party hands and they will just release it in my place.
If anyone still believes the KOSCOLB is legitimate after reading this article they should seriously think about seeking professional help.
Techdude, since surfacing on the Texas Darlin blog in recent weeks to question the authenticity of the ObamaCOLB, has been criticized by pro-Obama supporters for refusing to identify himself. "My full name and contact information will be released shortly once the entire set of facts has been released to the public," Techdude writes. "This way if I end up at the bottom of a construction site someplace in NJ the world will still have all the information I was going to provide." Earlier, Techdudereported that pro Obama supporters had tracked down his home address, vandalized his car and hung a dead rabbit over his doorway.
Newly discovered documents from the Illinois state archives prove Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has lied about his opposition to legislation requiring health officials to provide care to babies who survived abortion as an Illinois state senator.
Obama has claimed again and again he would have supported his state’s version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act if it included language to protect abortion rights guaranteed by Roe v. Wade and viciously attacked conservative opponents who suggested otherwise. Now there’s documentation showing Obama did vote against a version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act that contained language to protect abortion rights identical to the bill that passed 98-0 in the U.S. Senate.
There’s been much confusion about Obama’s work on this bill, largely due to the Illinois Senate’s method of marking the bill as “held” in the Health and Human Services Committee, when in fact archived reports show it was killed by a 6-4 party line vote. As Chairman of that committee Obama voted in the majority. NCLR has the committee action report of that vote.
The 6-4 vote tally is included in the right hand column of the table. Just before the committee roll call vote was held to kill the bill, however, senators voted to amend the state’s version Born Alive Infant Protection Act to include a “neutrality clause.” That clause was copied from the federal version of the law and was the very language Obama has claimed would have allowed him to support the bill. The amendment passed the committee 10-0 and that vote is recorded in column on the left side of the table.
In essence, Obama voted to successfully amend the bill in a way Obama has said would have enabled him to support it, before he voted against it.
Conservative journalist David Freddoso said these documents are “absolute proof” Obama has distorted his position on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. In his new book, “The Case Against Barack Obama” Freddoso painstakingly documented Obama’s votes and committee work against the bill.
“He said he would have voted for that bill if it had been like the federal bill when in fact he voted against it when it was like the federal bill,” Freddoso said. “So he’s been lying about it the whole time.”
Muskett agreed. “He needs to come clean and admit he voted to deny protection to born alive babies who survived an abortion,” she told Townhall in a phone interview.
Not only has Obama distorted his record, but his campaign has viciously attacked critics who accurately described his record.
On June 30, 2008 his campaign accused talk radio host Bill Bennett of making “outright false statements” and smearing Obama on CNN because Bennett said Obama supported a bill that even NARAL Pro-Choice America would not oppose. A “Fact Check” document was published on Obama’s presidential website “on CNN and Bennet’s [sic] Inaccurate Claim That IL ‘Born Alive’ Legislation Obama Opposed Was the Same as Federal Legislation He Supported.”
That Obama was a practicing Muslim and that he is lying when he says he has NEVER practiced Islam.More importantly, is he lying about being an American?
An AP reporter located his registration as a Muslim and as an Indonesian citizen.. to wit
The AP caption reads: “This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy’s religion as Islam. (AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)”
Clearly he lied about having practiced Islam, could it be that he is now lying about his American Citizenship as well.
Posted on Thursday, 7/10/2008 - 11:11 a.m. PDT — by Clayton
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A liar.
From the thread titled Bush Legacy, a ardent and, perhaps paid, supporter of Obama claims that Obama has never lied to the public. I point out that his two books do not agree on the facts and that there are numerous contradictions about his philosophy and early life. His campaign is as rife with flip flops on policy issues, (which I content is the equivalent of a lie), as Kerry’s. Commentators have opine it is because Obama does not have a core of values upon which he relies for his ethics and morality; that he is a relativist whose morality is dictated by his immediate needs. He says what a specific audience wants to hear, whether or not it is his actual philosophy, because his immediate need is to get elected. I think that the progress of Obama’s campaign proves that this commentary is very on point.
But hey, I am curious as to what other people think on this matter, so please vote on this poll.
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Mr Clayton.
I was wrong I figure you openned a cans worms on this one, however judging by the voting, people seem to think voting on a summer song is more important then, who is going to our president the next 4 years
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You are simply observing that most people know a liar when they see one--and in Obama they see a liar.
Thank you for being one of the few people, (in the Bay Area?) with a modicum of common sense and an interest in the future of this nation.
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I'm sure it would have generated more interest if the title had been Is Clayton a Liar ?
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But I think the response to the question is very clear. Of those who actually think and care about the election about the election(which is a small percent of the population), clearly Obama is seen to be a liar. Still think you are going to win this election?
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But you are asking for discussion on something that is too obvious. Cincin has not known an honest day on this earth. Did you know that it claims to be a school teacher? No wonder our children are in such poor shape intellectually.
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kool aide drinker in the crowd. Understandable, since the Bay Area is the land of kool aide drinkers.
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I am Shouting again, without making a single sound
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Yet Another Obama
By Michael J. O'Shea
Behold Barack doing yet another Obama, this one vintage 2006:
But what I know is, Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America. I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate.
Ooops.
Or in the words of The Washington Post - a scant six months later:
Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, a vocal defender of Sen. Joe Lieberman earlier this year, is urging Connecticut voters to rally behind his rival, Ned Lamont.
Not that that would have surprised William F. Buckley who, just prior to the Obama swithceroo, noted that "in politics, vows of fidelity are renewable every 24 hours."
The Buckley-Lieberman bond is as uplifting as the Obama-Lieberman link is a downer.
Buckley on Lieberman:
Joe Lieberman is a singular human being. He has personal support from people who know him, and who sense in him a true love for God and country.
Lieberman on Buckley:
I have lost a dear and cherished friend who I have known for more than 40 years.
One could disagree with him -- as I did quite frequently -- and never lose respect or affection, dare I say love, for a wonderful human being.
Contrast that with the crassness of Barack Obama:
Barack Obama speaks frequently of the Golden Rule, but lives one of his own: If he helps my career, flaunt him; if he doesn't, dump him. That rule is universal, applying to principle as well as people, the sacred as well as the profane - anything, and anyone, that gets in the way, anything, and anyone, to get ahead.
Barack Obama boasts that world leaders would look to him. But what would they see if they did? Would they glimpse in him what Margaret Thatcher saw in Mikhail Gorbachev?
I like Mr. Gorbachev. We can do business together. We both believe in our own political systems. He firmly believes in his; I firmly believe in mine. We are never going to change one another. So that is not in doubt, but we have two great interests in common.
What leader would know what Barack Obama "firmly believes" -- or that he firmly believes anything at all?
It's not just hard to have faith in Barack Obama, it's hard to have faith in his faith itself. Just last week he said,
it's been a journey that began decades ago on the South Side of Chicago, when, working as a community organizer, helping to build struggling neighborhoods, I let Jesus Christ into my life.
But just last year his spiritual saga had a different paternity:
And I heard Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called "The Audacity of Hope." And during the course of that sermon, he introduced me to someone named Jesus Christ.
But then Jeremiah got in the way, as had Joe, so Jeremiah and Joe both had to go. Both learned what America and the world may learn too late - that the one thing you can count on about Barack Obama is that you can't count on Barack Obama.
No matter how scholarly about Scripture this "devout Christian" purports to be, he can't fathom Christ's simple command: "Simply let your ‘Yes' be ‘Yes' and your ‘No' be ‘No.'" Be a man of your word.
No matter how often he cites Old Testament and New, he misses the Bible's single, simple message: keep your word. God keeps His to you, keep yours to Him and to your fellow man.
No matter how often he cites his Hawaiian or Kansas or Selma or other American roots, he still doesn't grasp, much less live, what the Founders declared:
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
That pledge had weight because all 56 signers were men of their word.
So, too, Bill Buckley, so, too, Joe Lieberman -- Christian and Jew, conservative and liberal -- yet steadfast: men of honor, men of their word.
And then there's Barack Obama: a man of words whose word is worthless.
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to this poll.
July 15, 2008
When is Obama Not Lying?
By James Lewis
Barack the messiah has fallen from grace. Here he was, a "racial healer," a hip Hypester straight from Change & Hope, hypnotizing millions of worshippers, a modern William Jennings Bryant dazzling the mobs with the image of an America crucified on a Cross of Gold. Well, recently Obama is just another shifty-eyed, moondancin' pol from the Chicago Machine, playing the race card like Jesse Jackson, even according to The New Yorker. He makes outright deals with corruptocrat Tony Rezko to get his home cheap, and with the Teamsters to buy their election troops in exchange for Federal oversight leniency. He's been lolling in bed with the wild-eyed zealots of ACORN for ten years or more.
The liberal media are down on him today -- but of course they're counting on the Braindead Vote to forget all about that in November when they lift him up again, just in time for the election. They're stuck with O'Bumbler, and he knows it.
So Obama has been lying his head off. Can we count the ways? On Iraq, he's was agin' it before, but he's for it now. On Iran, he's was for it before, and agin' it now. On FISA terrorist surveillance, he just voted for what the hysterical Left has convinced itself to be a Nazi attack on civil rights. On Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, he's danced about that one half a dozen times, always ending up on a different side. But liberal Jews will still vote for him, because they hate George W. Bush more than they love reality.
Obama is going to attack John McCain from the right, believe it or not, figuring that the Sucker Vote will fall for it. And he might be right.
So when is Obama not lying? When you catch him unawares. He wasn't lying in his San Francisco sneers for the white voters of Pennsylvania. He wasn't lying when he said everybody (except Obama) should learn Spanish. He wasn't lying when he was riffing about a jazz-based Black identity curriculum to fix all the education problems of the inner city. He wasn't lying when he said that Iran is just a "tiny country" (it isn't) that poses no threat to the US (it does). He was just riffin' free like a rock guitar player in all those cases, just out of the inspiration of the moment, but he wasn't lying.
You have to remember, though, that he's a quick study, and he'll fix all the dumb mistakes in no time. Obama is a rookie who's learning to act like a pro fast -- but he has no depth of knowledge about anything that matters. He's a pure creature of the dogmatic Left -- during his adolescence with Frank Marshall Davis, in his education at Occidental, Columbia and Harvard Law, in his alliance with ACORN and Bill Ayers, in his two autobiographies, in his Alinsky period as a community agitator -- excuse me, "organizer" -- when he clung to such as Rev. Jeremiah Wright because it served his vast ambitions. Obama is the slickest empty suit the Democrats have had since the early Clintons. That's what they wanted, and that's what they got.
The biggest question is still why Barack Obama is so sure, deep in his heart, that he's qualified to lead this country of 300 million human souls at a time of war and crisis? Why is a rookie Illinois legislator who constantly played footsie with the Chicago Machine, with Black "Liberation" Theology -- the new psychic slavery for inner city Black folks -- and with corruptos like Tony Rezko -- why is this slick street hustler so profoundly convinced that he, and only he, can save this country and the Planet?
That question belongs somewhere in the depths of human pathology. It has something to do with being abandoned by his father and mother in Hawaii and Indonesia, and leaning on old mentor Frank to imagine a messianic future for him. But it's no qualification to wildly overestimate your own experience and abilities so that you are just living in your own rockstar fantasy life. That was the way of Bill and Hillary, the Arkansas country slicksters, who also had liberals by the millions suckered to the gills.
So when is Obama not lying? When he blurts out his real opinions in private. Fortunately he is so undisciplined and overconfident that he'll do that often enough. And Obama's wife Michelle is a genuine PC Commissar, straight from the Russian steppes, who just cannot think outside of the racial resentment box. This is Hillary & Bill, Version 2.0; a trendier paint job but the same old putt-putt under the hood.
Well, the Dems and the media sold us eight years of the Clintons in 1992, culminating in the 9/11 disaster in New York City and the Pentagon. This time the liberal powers are going to try again with a couple of Black slicksters. They will lie and lie and lie and still be covered up by the media. Get ready.
And if you want to save your country, go all out for the only choice we have. You don't have to like John McCain --- all you have to do is contemplate the alternative.
And pray for your country. Your country will need it.
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IF Obama is a Christian, when was he baptized? According to Dr. Boys, he has never been baptized, to the extent his church is willing to admit.
If Obama is a Committed Christian, When was he Baptized?
By Dr. Don Boys Friday, July 18, 2008
Senator Barack Hussein Obama claims to be a Christian; however, he gives no evidence of that. In fact, his heretical statement indicates that he, like many others, is simply a professor rather than a possessor of Christ. His revealing statement: “I believe there are many paths to the same place.” He is correct if one wants to go to Hoboken but not if one wants to go to Heaven. Christ is still the only way.
One does not have to be a Christian to be a good President, and a person might be a good President even if he were a Muslim. The big question: Is he lying and if so then we have every reason to question him before he gets to the Oval Office. It’s bad enough to have a liberal whose policies are like the elastic in an old lady’s drawers—stretching to fit any shape or circumstance but to have a liar in the Oval office (as we have seen before) could destroy us.
He went forward at Trinity United Church of Christ 20 years ago for membership but when was he baptized? Does Obama know that joining a church or being baptized have nothing to do with becoming a Christian? I have tried repeatedly to discover when he was baptized but without success. I talked and emailed Trinity and his website many times without success. The media person at Trinity told me that the church requires baptism either before applying for membership or at that time. So, was he baptized and if not, why not? Did his pastor at the time make special provisions for him? It’s a very simple question that can be easily answered. If he has never been baptized, why not?
Baptism has always been the public mark of a personal decision to trust Christ as personal Savior. While evangelicals and fundamentalists do not believe baptism is essential for salvation, we do believe that it is the public identification of personal faith. It is a break with the past denominational and doctrinal errors and a declaration to follow Christ. Would public baptism be too much of a break with his Muslim past?
There is no doubt that he was born and reared a Muslim and attended a Muslim school where he was registered as a Muslim and learned to recite the Koran in Arabic. He attended special classes to learn the Koran and that showed far more commitment than American kids going to Sunday school.
Obama’s website declares, “Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.” However, his spokesman told the LA Times that he wasn’t a “practicing Muslim.” Which is it? There is a big difference in “never” being a Muslim and not being a “practicing” Muslim. His website states, “Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ.” I question the validity of that statement.
He was born a Muslim (His father, stepfather and grandparents were all Muslims.) and if he is a “committed” Christian then when was he baptized? All Christian denominations would admit that baptism is essential to qualify a believer as “committed.” Obama confesses in Dreams From My Father, that he studied the Koran in a “Muslim school.” In that Muslim school, his teacher wrote his mother to tell her, “[Obama] made faces during Koranic studies.” Can’t we take his word about that or has he flip-flopped on that as well as many other issues? Of course, he was a Muslim and is he one now?
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All right, what’s the big deal about his religion? If Obama was a Muslim and is now a Christian then he is an apostate and in the peaceful religion of Islam, apostates are killed. That is important for anyone and for an American leader, it could be catastrophic—for him and America. If Obama is still a Muslim, that also could be catastrophic and we have a right, no an obligation, to discover the truth.
We are told that he confesses to being a Christian and not a Muslim so isn’t that good enough. No, because Islam permits lying if it furthers the cause of Islam! Muslims can even deny Mohammed as the Prophet of Allah as long as they do not mean it and if it helps their cause. It would help their cause if they had one of their own as president! Moreover, every Muslim is obligated to make the nation in which he lives a Muslim nation so I want to know about Obama and his baptism.
Questions some intrepid reporter must ask Obama:
· 1. Are you willing to confess that you were a Muslim in your youth?
· 2. Have you been baptized in a Christian church, and if so where and when?
· 3. Since you profess to being a Christian, do you think all Muslims should have the right to convert to other religions?
· 4. Would you as president support the right of Christians to start churches in Saudi Arabia and other Islamic nations?
· 5. Will you repudiate all anti-white, anti-Jewish, anti-Israel fanatics?
· 6. Do you believe the Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years?
· 7. How do you answer the charge that either you agreed with Pastor Wright’s caustic, un-American, anti-Jewish, anti-white diatribe or you were incredibly naïve by being a member of his church for 20 years?
· 8. Senator, you are accused of lying about numerous things such as your father being a goat herder, your grandfather’s social and financial status, your Selma connection, the Kennedy “air lift,” your legislation in the U.S. Senate, etc., so why should we trust you in the Oval office?
· 9. Senator, you have spent fewer than 200 actual days in the U.S. Senate so why should we trust one of such inexperience to be the leader of the Free World?
Don’t count on any reporter asking those questions. To ask them would be prima fascia evidence to many that the reporter is a bigot! Are Americans so stupid and deluded? If so, our nation is on the toboggan slide to oblivion. I predict that a President Barack Hussein Obama would lead America over the cliff with flags waving and bugles blaring. And maybe we deserve it!
So, Senator, if you are a Christian, when were you baptized as a public profession that you have rejected all past alliances with Islam and are intent on living as a Christian?
Dr. Don Boys is a former member of the Indiana House of Representatives, author of 13 books, frequent guest on television and radio talk shows, and wrote columns for USA Today for 8 years His most recent book is ISLAM: America’s Trojan Horse! His websites are [url=http://www.cstnews.com]http://www.cstnews.com[/url] and [url=http://www.Muslimfact.com]http://www.Muslimfact.com[/url].
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How long does it take for radical right wingnuts to start telling lies about great new leaders like Obama?...Opps sorry it actually started before he was the presumptive nominee.., see little green dingle berries and other radical right wingnut blogs. In fact see some of the other right wingnut propaganda bits earlier in these forums.
Don't fret though because if you are foolish enough to read forums like this you will soon find out that the radical right wingnuts just use them for their usual propaganda platforms in order to try and make you forget about the incompetency of the current President and all of the Republicans that have been ruining iur country for the past eight years.
Look on the horizon I see many groups similar to the bogus swift boaters of the last campaign receiving their checks from various Texas oil companies and some of the same bankers who helped the Bush syndicate create the current home mortgage crises.
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On a different thread,(Obama FAQ) an Obama supporter supplied the evidence of another lie. To Wit…..
On being a muslim, at one time -
Enrolled in Fransiskus Assisis Catholic school for grades 1-3, where options to state religion fell under Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Obama was registered in school as a muslim. By his own account later in life converted to Christianity.
Obama has said that he never was a muslim, and shays repeated that statement. As you have demonstrated IT IS ANOTHER LIE.
Do lies matter? When it is an issue of trust, yes, and being president is an issue of trust.
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Thread on Obama's Birth Certificate.
More proof that he is a liar and not to be trusted.
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That Obambi is a fraud!
Sunday, August 03, 2008
Document Expert Discovers Another Person's COLB Used To Forge Obama COLB
Techdude, since surfacing on the Texas Darlin blog in recent weeks to question the authenticity of the Obama COLB, has been criticized by pro-Obama supporters for refusing to identify himself. "My full name and contact information will be released shortly once the entire set of facts has been released to the public," Techdude writes. "This way if I end up at the bottom of a construction site someplace in NJ the world will still have all the information I was going to provide." Earlier, Techdude reported that pro Obama supporters had tracked down his home address, vandalized his car and hung a dead rabbit over his doorway.
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Yes, and now his lies are jeapardizing national security.
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How about lying about his postion on Abortion.
Newly discovered documents from the Illinois state archives prove Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has lied about his opposition to legislation requiring health officials to provide care to babies who survived abortion as an Illinois state senator.
Obama has claimed again and again he would have supported his state’s version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act if it included language to protect abortion rights guaranteed by Roe v. Wade and viciously attacked conservative opponents who suggested otherwise. Now there’s documentation showing Obama did vote against a version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act that contained language to protect abortion rights identical to the bill that passed 98-0 in the U.S. Senate.
“We have a smoking gun committee report,” the National Right to Life Committee’s Legislative Counsel Susan Muskett said. NRLC posted the unearthed documents from the Illinois senate archives Monday.
There’s been much confusion about Obama’s work on this bill, largely due to the Illinois Senate’s method of marking the bill as “held” in the Health and Human Services Committee, when in fact archived reports show it was killed by a 6-4 party line vote. As Chairman of that committee Obama voted in the majority. NCLR has the committee action report of that vote.
The 6-4 vote tally is included in the right hand column of the table. Just before the committee roll call vote was held to kill the bill, however, senators voted to amend the state’s version Born Alive Infant Protection Act to include a “neutrality clause.” That clause was copied from the federal version of the law and was the very language Obama has claimed would have allowed him to support the bill. The amendment passed the committee 10-0 and that vote is recorded in column on the left side of the table.
A copy of that clause is available here.
In essence, Obama voted to successfully amend the bill in a way Obama has said would have enabled him to support it, before he voted against it.
Conservative journalist David Freddoso said these documents are “absolute proof” Obama has distorted his position on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. In his new book, “The Case Against Barack Obama” Freddoso painstakingly documented Obama’s votes and committee work against the bill.
“He said he would have voted for that bill if it had been like the federal bill when in fact he voted against it when it was like the federal bill,” Freddoso said. “So he’s been lying about it the whole time.”
Muskett agreed. “He needs to come clean and admit he voted to deny protection to born alive babies who survived an abortion,” she told Townhall in a phone interview.
Not only has Obama distorted his record, but his campaign has viciously attacked critics who accurately described his record.
On June 30, 2008 his campaign accused talk radio host Bill Bennett of making “outright false statements” and smearing Obama on CNN because Bennett said Obama supported a bill that even NARAL Pro-Choice America would not oppose. A “Fact Check” document was published on Obama’s presidential website “on CNN and Bennet’s [sic] Inaccurate Claim That IL ‘Born Alive’ Legislation Obama Opposed Was the Same as Federal Legislation He Supported.”
http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/08/12/obama_lied_about_abortion_record?page=full
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That Obama was a practicing Muslim and that he is lying when he says he has NEVER practiced Islam. More importantly, is he lying about being an American?
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/
An AP reporter located his registration as a Muslim and as an Indonesian citizen.. to wit
The AP caption reads: “This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy’s religion as Islam. (AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)”
Clearly he lied about having practiced Islam, could it be that he is now lying about his American Citizenship as well.
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Most of were right, BO is a liar. He is not a US Citizen. we all knew that
BO Stinks!
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Most of those willing to vote believe that BO is a liar.
And those who do not vote do not matter!
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Most of those willing to vote believe that BO is a liar.
And those who do not vote do not matter!