A lesson in history


Honesty3
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Nine years ago when I started posting on these forums as Honesty2 I was among the first to recognize what a disaster the Bush administration was going to be. Shortly thereafter they began to systematically dupe the American public, give all of our money to their wealthy friends and initiate one of the most effective propaganda campaigns ever seen in America. Dick Cheney and Karl Rove both saw America as a great big bottomless pie full of fools who were gullible enough to drink their poisonous lies like the poor victims of Jonestown. They were correct as millions of people lined up behind them on various pseudo issues like decreasing taxes for the wealthy so that they would reinvest the money in America. Of course they did reinvest it in buying seven homes more or less and in buying personal jets and wasting natural resources in an avericious greed never seen on earth before. This vicious syndicate managed to demean anyone who threatened their control of the government and managed to build a large majority in the House of Representatives and a majority in the Senate. Thus when they committed some of their impeachable offenses they were immunized by the significant number of radical right wing politicos they had in the legislature. In effect our second of the three branches of our government was neutralized to the point where the Bush Cheney syndicate was even able to ignore our basic rights to privacy and various statutes against using torture on people who were being held captive. They made America the enemy of every legitimately civilized nation in the world.

Other notable events that I predicted were the financial housing bubble blowing up and the eventual acceptance of Gay marriages. Today we can see that one of those predictions was on the mark. The other will take a little more time but eventually America will catch up with the rest of the civilized world and accept the right of all minorities to marry the person of their choice.

So here is my newest prediction. If we all work alongside our new President, we will start to repair the damage done to America's reputation by the awful administration we just unloaded from our shoulders. It won't be easy to repair the terrible damage they did to our economy and international relations but it can be done with hard work and due diligence.

So I recommend that instead of sitting on the sidelines and carping like so very many of the reactionary radical right wingers we see on these boards we all need to roll up out sleeves and pitch in on the recovery.

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Jedi Mind Trick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_jh2dO78U

Isn't it interesting that the food of choice of sheeple is bullshot?

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Since we all agree that the problems we currently face as Americans were caused by the Bush/Cheney/Rove syndicate, we can also agree that those who blindly followed them are sheeple. People who voted for a man who lied to start a war, people who voted to give our treasury to the already greedy wealthy as a means of stimulating the economy, people whose first answer regarding any differences they have with another country or another person is violence, these kinds of un-American folk were Bush led sheeple. But today we see these sheeple trying to pretend that those who are trying to clean up all of the garbage they created a name that they know in their dark hearts belongs exclusively to them.

Note that any responses made by the Ohso/ClaytonUnRealamerica et al pseudo intellectuals will all look a lot alike because many of them are in fact the same person or just another sheeple.

 

 

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what are you, six years old.  You better go back WAY [bleep]her back than Bush/Cheney.  Somewhere in the early fifties we ASSUMED the roll as the worlds policeman and it hasn't been very grand since then.  Korea?  What the hell did we take that on for?  Viet Nam?  Oops, another dismal attempt.  The middle east? Forget it.  What happens if we don't want to play policeman anymore?  How about the economy gets better, people stay alive and those other folks learn to solve their own problems?  Now that would be unique. The garbage out there is an accumulation of stuff, old and new, and the mindset is the same.  Great, just great.

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As a six year old who reads and has logic would say to someone who is younger and who does not read with real understanding or use much logic, (you have some things almost right and many more things totally wrong).

First of all America entered the world stage reluctantly in WWI and then hid out until Hitler, Mussolinni and Tojo nearly conquored the world. Just imagine what would have happend if we had stomped on Hitler when he ravaged Poland. Not as the "world's policemen" but acting in our own best interest to keep WWII from happening. After that fiasco and after Chuchill's famous "Iron Curtain" speech at Westminster College at Fulton, Missouri America finally grew up and realized that it had to take an active role in world politics. So we helped to start the United Nations as a place where men might be able to arbritate their way out of going to war. We entered the Korean War to try and stop the spread of authoritarian Communism which was growing very rapidly in the post WWII world. We entered Vietnam for much the same reason. The wisdom of these actions has been proven over and over again as, in case you did not notice with the exception of North Korea, Communism has morphed into a series of nearly democratic republics and the Chinese version of capitalism which unfortunately is still not democratic.

My lesson in history was about the abuses of power common to the Republican Party. After their brief moment of shining glory when they preserved the union and freed the slaves they remained in power too long and they morphed into the party of big business and in the 1960s the party of the Southern conservatives all of whom used to be Democrats. From Nixon forward the Republicans have championed removal of oversight of big business (witness the Reagan era of merging companies), and the elimination of taxes for the wealthy. Today we can see the result of all of those actions in the collapse of the financial sector not unlike the collapse that occurred in the 1930s after seventy years of almost exclusive Republican control. Now we have some of the best institutions of America threatened by the actions of Republicans and millions of older Americans are being threatened with loss of social security and over fifty million Americans have no medical insurance at all.

Yes much of that can be laid at the feet of Bush/Cheney because they continued to champion the wealthy at the expense of the middle class and the poor and at the same time they promoted a war based on false pretenses. Now if they had promoted an aggressive policy of working with China and Russia to eliminate the nuclear capacity of North Korea and Pakistan and if they had pursued the Afghanistan War with the support of our allies with more vigor they would have been keeping in step with taking preventative measures to protect the world from dangerous idiots like Kim El Jon and the Islamic terrorists.

Yes we can not be the world's policemen but we must take a leadership role in world events in order to continue trying to bring order out of chaos or we risk another conflict that will be far more devastating than WWII.

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Since we all agree that the problems we currently face as Americans were caused by the Bush/Cheney/Rove syndicate,

 

This is just NOT true and you know it. Is there corruption in the republican party? Yes.

Is there corruption in the Democrat party? Yes.

If a law is broken the criminal should be brought to justice period, regardless of political affiliation. The Democrats are now the party of power and they will be the most able to abuse it. This is not because they are democrats it is because there are human, just like the republicans.

If Democrats were so great and republicans so evil please explain the current mess that is California. The democrats have been fully in charge here for a long time. And please dont try to explain this by saying our current Gov. is a republican............

 

 

 

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Okay since you don't want to read it I won't try to help you understand California history but I will let any casual wanderer see some truths. Since 1989 California has had fifteen Republican Governors and four Democratic Governors. So we can see what party has had the most responsibility for administrating the budgets for the past 110 years. The legislature was dominated by Republicans until the past twelve years. The Republicans when they realized they were no longer going to be able to control the legislature managed to pass some incredibly stupid measures that enable them to retain significant control of the budget setting process. These idiotic measures like requiring more than a majority vote to pass a budget has resulted in the current economic fiasco faced by the State.

But the Republican Party is not solely responsible. We all must look in to the mirror for that information. The initiative process has crippled this State to the point of near immobility. With less than forty percent of the total population voting on various issues, conservatives have managed to push through some absolutely crazy laws. For instance the use of term limits has ensured that no one will stay in office long enough to understand the issues much less deal with them. The requirement of a two thirds vote to pass various tax initiatives also stymied projects for years thus increasing their cost exponentially when they were finally approved. Our reluctance to sacrifice really big homes and SUVs and other extravagances have made individuals more and more insular and unwilling to support schools and infrastructure projects.

Yes when we go bankrupt we must not forget to thank the Republicans and ourselves for enabling it to happen.

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And the people of California but NOT ANY of the current mess is the Democrats fault.

As far as needing time to understand issues that is just BS. All of this experience has served us all so well.

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How foolish tom925, I have never claimed that the Democratic Party has no faults. I would go so far as to say that if the Democrats were to remain in power as long as the Republicans have managed to do they too would be subject to the same criminal weaknesses we see in the modern nightmarish incarnation of the Republican Party.

Power corrupts and there is no better example of this in modern times than the corruption of the Republican Party during the past ten years. From providing special briefings on K street for their wealthy lobbyist supporters to lying to start a war the Republicans have become the poster boys of idiotic poor governance. The current financial issues belong to them just as the financial mess of the thirties belonged to them.

As for the rest of us, well we have succumbed, as so many wealthy societies have done in the past, to the siren calls of materialism. The Republicans have recognized this and exploited it to the hilt by appealing to the baser side of human nature. While this has swelled their campaign coffers and the pockets of their wealthy supporters it has nearly brought the country to ruin.

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This is what you said:

"But the Republican Party is not solely responsible. We all must look in to the mirror for that information. The initiative process has crippled this State to the point of near immobility"

No word about where the Democrats share the responsibility in your post.

Evil Republicans and evil voters...............

 

 

 

janet1955us
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I feel that no one is evil... We are uninformed...

We as Americans, need to use our brains and learn the facts and do what we believe.. I don't see any improvements until we all do our homework...  Quit grumping about the political parties until we do our homework and make improvements...

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We need and informed population and we need voter turnout. I think both parties take us all for a ride. We the people know more about what is going on in pop culture instead of why are schools are failing.

This D vs R attitude is NOT in OUR best interest. We the people can agree on many things that are important regardless of our politics.

I am sure we all want good school and a safe community. We should focus on these two issues and work together to find common ground and then DEMAND that ALL of our politicians make it happen with a clear way to measure results.

 

 

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One who makes a show of knowledge b: one who is unimaginative or who unduly emphasizes minutiae in the presentation or use of knowledge.

As in the fact that you are a pedant has nothing at all to do with honesty and everything to do with being pedantic.

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Thank you so much for your contribution.

orabo
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its a really very nice article. and all the comments are so good. thanks for this.

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