And I am not one of them as Shays would have you believe. A commentary by Paul Driessen clarifies that the real alarmists are the global warming goofballs who are motivated not by saving the planet but by hurting the average Americans. In a very real sense this environmentalism is anti-American-ism.
The commentary is as follows...
America faces severe housing, financial, energy, food, unemployment and recessionary shocks. But legislators, bureaucrats and presidential candidates seem intent on making them worse, by imposing onerous climate change rules and restricting fossil fuel development and use.
Even the White House now wants "reasonable and responsible" legislation, to avert a "regulatory nightmare" from overlapping state and federal climate rules. It falsely assumes costly federal regulations, emission mandates and hidden cap-and-trade taxes would be preferable.
Earth warmed a degree over the last quarter-century, as it emerged further from the Little Ice Age, and humans may have played a role. However, hundreds of scientists say there is no evidence of a looming climate catastrophe driven primarily by human greenhouse gas emissions.
Our planet has experienced numerous climate shifts, they point out, including prolonged ice ages, a 400-year Medieval Warm Period and a 500-year Little Ice Age. Climate scientists still don't understand what caused these events — or the temperature swings of the last century. As carbon dioxide levels rose steadily, temperatures climbed from 1910 to 1945, fell between 1945 and 1975, and increased again from 1975 to 1998, notes International Arctic Research Center founding director Syun-Ichi Akasofu.
Four of the 10 hottest years in U.S. history were in the 1930s. Average global temperatures stabilized in 1998, and then fell 1.1 degrees Fahrenheit in the last 12 months, satellite measurements show. Ice core data demonstrate that higher atmospheric carbon dioxide levels followed rising temperatures, by hundreds of years — the exact opposite of climate chaos hypotheses.
Inconvenient facts like these force alarmists to rely on computer models that generate Frankenclime monsters, to generate fear of climate Armageddon.
Climate models help scientists evaluate possible consequences of changing economic growth, emission, cloud cover and other variables. But they cannot reproduce the actual climate of the last century, or make accurate predictions even one year in the future, much less 50.
Models reflect the assumptions and hypotheses that go into them — and our still limited understanding of complex, turbulent climate processes that involve the sun, oceans, land masses, water vapor, precipitation, high cirrus clouds and other factors, notes Massachusetts Institute of Technology meteorology professor Richard Lindzen.
They place too much emphasis on carbon dioxide, and insufficient attention to extraterrestrial factors like changes in the Earth's irregular orbit around the sun, solar energy levels, and solar winds that appear to influence the level of cosmic rays reaching Earth, and thus the formation of cloud cover and penetration of infrared solar radiation. They fail to incorporate the effects that periodic shifts in Pacific Ocean currents have on Arctic temperatures and sea ice.
Different models often generate opposite climate scenarios for the same regions, University of Alabama at Huntsville climatologist John Christy points out. One says the Dakotas and Rio Grande Valley would become complete deserts; another says huge swamps.
They're as reliable as computer predictions of August 2009 vacation weather or 2050 stock markets. They don't represent reality and must not be used to determine economic and energy policy.
Of the energy Americans use, 85 percent comes from fossil fuels. Less than 0.5 percent is wind power, which is expensive and generates electricity only eight hours a day, on average. Nuclear provides 20 percent of U.S. electricity. More than half is produced by coal, because it is plentiful and affordable, and modern power plants emit few pollutants, but do generate abundant plant food (the same carbon dioxide we exhale).
Any climate change regime would impose new restrictions and higher prices for coal and gas-generated electricity, transportation, heating and manufacturing. Any facility that generates significant CO2 would be subject to strict regulation: bakeries, breweries, soft drink makers, factories, apartment and office buildings, dairy farms and countless others.
Climate alarmists like Al Gore want to slash U.S. carbon dioxide emissions 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050, even as developing countries continue their economic and emissions boom. The last time the United States emitted such low amounts of CO2 was 1905!
If we head down this path, poor, minority and blue-collar families will get hammered; millions of jobs will head overseas; and millions of people will need energy welfare, as government revenues shrivel. Draconian climate stabilization schemes may benefit a few, but will penalize many more.
In the end, the sacrifices won't make a difference, because our climate is not driven by carbon dioxide — but by the same natural forces that caused major and minor climate changes since the dawn of time — say numerous experts, including the hundreds who signed the Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change (www.ClimateScienceInternational.org).
Climate change is now primarily about politics and power: power to control — and curtail — the power we rely on to build, heat and cool our homes, produce raw materials, food and products, transport people and consumer goods, and support modern living standards.
It's about simulations, scenarios and monsters conjured up by computer models that should never be used to determine government policy — especially on matters that profoundly affect livelihoods, living standards, lifespans, dreams and economic civil rights.
It's about the selection, production, conservation, taxation — and prevention — of energy. About access to real energy, versus mandates to use futuristic, mostly illusory, and certainly costly, unreliable, insufficient alternative energy. About who gets to decide: how much energy we will have, where that energy will come from, what it will cost, and whether there will be enough to lift more families out of poverty.
So hold onto your wallets, and hope you can hold onto your homes, cars and jobs. You're about to be put on a wild political roller coaster.
Paul Driessen is senior policy adviser for the Congress of Racial Equality and Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise, and author of "Eco-Imperialism: Green power — Black death" (www.Eco-Imperialism.com).
My Opinion is that this commentary is very accurate and very important . Environmentalists are a threat, and even though the they, (probably including shays, chewy, mediawhite/warhater and other brainless minions of Fat Boy Al and Company) want to keep these facts from the public, I think they should be presented in their fullness for discussion.
I am sure the radical left on this blog will disagree with me, but what I am waiting to hear is how they will justify trying to silence alternative opinions.
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Quote from Clayton earlier today in response to shays on the "Islamic Faschists..." thread:
"Seriously, you have got to write shorter contributions. I know you have a lot to say, but reading and responding to it all can be draining and a bit of a waste of time..."
Talk about calling the kettle black.
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You should read the post before you comment. I was offering the opinion piece of another. And what happened to your threat, which I really looked forward to, of not responding to my posts-- Another black kettle for the Democrats to dislike?
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Maybe someone out there can relay this to Clayton since I've had such a difficult time making it simple enough for her to understand. I never said I wouldn't respond to the garbage that Clayton posts on these forums but I did indeed say that I refuse to repond directly and be baited into an endless give and take, loosly defined as a debate. Now if Clayton can't handle those terms then that's too bloody bad. Any hypocritical fraud deserves to be called on it now and then and that's what I intend to do when the spirit moves me. Sort of an occasion commentary. A hopeless attempt to keep her honest.
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Also, another indication of the paranoid world Clayton resides in....as if anything I may have said could be interpreted as a threat. Strange choice of words.
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Now that is something new(NOT). You "threatened to not respond to anything I wrote. Remember in the good old days when you were gleeful that Clayton,(the town) was going to get a mega church that the residents did not want. Clayton(the town) is not getting a new mega-church and Clayton(the poster) was hopeful that you would be lost as well.
But that is what OFEC specialize in, isn't it--deflating hopes for change.
By the way, do you actually have an opinion on the fraud that is global warming? Be careful the OFECs may be the cause of global warming according to Fat Boy Gore. You may owe millions in a carbon tax out there in Brentwood.
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from an OFEC who is not responding? My guess is that you are simply too lazy to read the commentary, but it is killing your ego to not be part of the discussion. Respond back when you have an opinion related to this thread.
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"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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among the socialists liberally spinkled in the Bay Area. As a source of discussion he is more logical them most, and with prodding he displays the lack of logic in the Socialist argument. His latest is the concept that minimize distinctions of race would be good for society. Personally I think it would be disasterous because
*people, not society determine what race they are and are not going to be talked out of their personal choice
*it would favor a very small number of "valid minorities" creating a level of resentment that would worsen relations between different groups.
More importantly, Shays defines what Obama is promoting, and as we both know Obama is not defining his positions. Read Shays, he provides a warning for the future!
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Clayton: "global warming goofballs" "environmentalism is anti-American-ism." Now folks, here's a man who obviously wants to talk seriously about a serious subject. :)
Paul Driessen: good Lord, what a great spokesman for the global warming discussion. Are you really going to quote this man chapter and verse? The man who invented eco-imperialism “the forceful imposition of western environmental views on developing countries to their detriment” The man has a political agenda. Is that the best you can do Clayton? How about quoting someone not so biased, to promote your argument?
Driessen says: "no evidence of a looming climate catastrophe driven primarily by human greenhouse gas emissions." Any scientist worth his salt, will say that you can not make such broad assumptions on data collected from such a short interval of geologic time.
Most scientist will say that humans have had a great impact on the environment. Hole in the ozone? DDT? Air Pollution? Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere has increased 30% since the beginning of the industrial revolution. You can not just dismiss that number.
We're saying start taking measures against green house gases now......not later. Why not err on the side of caution? Many "green" jobs can be created to replace manufacturing jobs that seem to be going overseas anyway.
I guess you won't just have me and silly Al Gore to global warming trash talk anymore. :) John McCain join the club today: “Instead of idly debating the precise extent of global warming or the precise timeline of global warming, we need to deal with the central facts of rising temperatures, rising waters and all the endless troubles that global warming will bring,” Mr. McCain said at a wind power plant in Oregon...... It seems I'm in good company ...... and you got Paul Driessen. Wow, I'm impressed.
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Clayton: "global warming goofballs" "environmentalism is anti-American-ism." Now folks, here's a man who obviously wants to talk seriously about a serious subject. :) . A serious conversation with Shays back warmer, now that is doubtful. A conversation, sure but you are not capable, as your diatribe proves of serious conversation. The man has a political agenda. Reality check, everyone including your hero fat boy Gore, has a political agenda. Everyone is biased. Driessen says: "no evidence of a looming climate catastrophe driven primarily by human greenhouse gas emissions." Any scientist worth his salt, will say that you can not make such broad assumptions on data collected from such a short interval of geologic time. IF you can not predict that there is no evidence based on a short interval of geological time, how is it the the psuedo scientists you listen to, who are funded by Socialist enities promoting global warming for their own political gain, cvan predict global warming on the same short interval? Most scientist It is apropo that you mention scientist in the singular, because you are wrong Most Scientists do not agree, a very select few agree, and all of those are funded by political campaigns. As your fellow socialists say, follow the money and you will find the dirt. Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere has increased 30% since the beginning of the industrial revolution. You can not just dismiss that number. ,/b> It is a meaningless number unless you 1. can define the source 2. can compare it to measures throughout the history of this planet. Scientists can not define the source of all the carbon dioxide in the air, so they can not definitively say that humans are impacting the increase signifigantly. They are guessing, and the poorly educated like you are to dumb to understand the difference between specualtion and fact. The bottom line is that you, and your “vaulted” scientists can not prove , without a doubt, that humans are causing the increase in Carbon dioxide.
But you are not really interested in verifiable truth are you/
We're saying start taking measures against green house gases now......not later. Why not err on the side of caution? Because your actions are hurting people and in your smug wealth, you really do not care about those who are suffering. Before you eliminate a job provide the new job. Accommodate those people who do not like the new employment with employment tht suits their needs not yours. It is fine if you and who ever else chooses to live “green” do so; but you have no right to force others to adopt your extremist life style; especially since you do not have proof that global warming is human induced. I guess you won't just have me and silly Al Gore to global warming trash talk anymore. I will also always have fat boy to “trash talk” He is just too big a target. He is using Nazi propaganda techniques, not surprising since he,like Hitler is a socialist; to promote Global Warming. John McCain join the club today Sure he did he is a politician, and he is positioning himself to take Hillery’s voters. Bush supports global warming too. Political support for a scientific theory does not make it right, just popular. The bottom line with global warming is so simple that even you might get it. There is no possible way that global warming can be proven to be human caused. The planet’s climate and magnetic orientation are known to be cyclical and it may be that the planet is on the warming side of this cycle. But it is hubris, pure and simple to assume, without evidence that humans are the cause or that human intervention will have any effect on global climatic systems. More to the point, the planet is not actually warming on a uniform basis. One pole is getting colder, the other warmer. From this data there is as much reason to believe that we are in for a magnetic shift as a global warming shift. Bottom line, you and everyone else on he planet just does not know. To use a global climatic event for political gain is simply wrong. Idiots like you can not see how stupid your proclamations are, but take it from a person with more degrees and more education then you, you are being duped. Here is a question for your pea brain—Mars is also warming at a faster rate the our planet—did humans cause that too?
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On how much the national hysteria foisted by Al Gore on Americans will cost. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) losses of $151 billion to $210 billion in 2020 and $631 billion to $669 billion per year in 2030
Employment losses of 1.2 million to 1.8 million jobs in 2020 and 3 million to 4 million jobs in 2030 Household income losses of $739 to $2,927 per year in 2020 and $4,022 to $6,752 per year in 2030 Electricity price increases of 28% to 33% by 2020 and 101% to 129% by 2030 Gasoline price increases (per gallon) of 20% to 69% by 2020 and 77% to 145% by 2030 http://www.rightsidenews.com/200805271045/global-warming/the-tremendous-...
Complaining about higher prices yet--wait till the environmentalists have their way and reduce this nation to a third world economy. As for your children--it looks like most of them are slated to strave by the Democrats--but I bet their kids will eat.
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"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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This Board seems such a wilderness of Liberalism run rampant, but I think I hold my own.