Breaking news: Raiders cut Schweigert


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Breaking news: Raiders cut Schweigert The Raiders released veteran safety Stuart Schweigert on Tuesday, two sources close to the team said, ending his stay after four off-and-on seasons. Schweigert lost his starting job to injury in midseason last year and never got it back from Hiram Eugene. His job security took another blow in the offseason when the Raiders signed Giants strong safety Gibril Wilson and shifted Michael Huff to free safety. A third-round pick in 2004, Schweigert reported to Organized Team Activities last week but "tweaked his leg," Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said Thursday with elaborating on the injury. Schweigert had 69 tackles and two interceptions last season, and finished with 268 tackles and four interceptions in four years. He was often criticized for poor or missed tackling but remained the starter in 13 games in 2005, 16 games in 2006 and the first nine games last year. Schweigert was informed of his dismissal Tuesday morning when the team returned for voluntary workouts. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=11&entry_id=266...
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Hope he gets picked up by someone in the division so we could get some free, uncontested TD's.
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He would probably look really good in Donkey gear.
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Stu is going to live his dream by opening a bait and tackle shop. His slogan will be: With Stu's bait and tackle, you can't miss. Oh yeah..one more time for old times sake...Stu Sux!! One nation...Raider Nation! Peace.
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Thank god! He was worst tackler since Chester McGlockton
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My previous support of Schweigert aside, I'm pretty surprised by this move. Not that I think he's all world spectacular, but I thought that since he's not as good as Wilson he would be at the very least a good guy to have at the position to offer depth. You don't need to be 2 deep at every position with starters but I'd feel much better with him out on the field than Eugene. He was also one of those guys who many on the team liked. I don't think we should sweat a backup getting cut though regardless of how any of us feel about him.
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THE FUTURE i am not suprised by this move at all...he got benched last year, fabe did as well and they are both gone...maun, i remember when you and your bro went up against me, rame, and stew for months about him..that argument has finally come to an end with this one..we won out, lol....peace maun
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Valley, Couple things about Stu. Yes he broke Rod Woodsons INT record at Purdue, which showed potential, but not everyone translates into a good NFL player. Second, our Dline did affect his play, but only to a certain extent. He suffers from Robert Gallery disease. He came onto a team that was the wrong system, wrong coaches and never developed properly. Do I think he could have had a shot to be good somewhere else, yes. Do I think he ever will amount to anything, NO. Reasons he was let go. 1. Gabril Wilson 2. Mike Huff 3. Tyvon Branch 4. Jarrod Cooper/Rashad Baker/Hiram Eugene I personally don't thing Eugene makes the team either. We will roll with four safeties and no more Wilson, Huff, Branch and my guess would be Cooper would be the 4th. -I AM THE DARKNESS OF THE FUTURE- BOOK OF NAVI CH. 22 Phase 1 "The time for hard work is now! The time to plan and scheme is today! The present must begin to build the golden streets of the future or your hope will be diminished!"
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I'm not trying to defend the man in any way. I don't even object to the decision to cut him entirely. I just figured that because of his experience, and familiarity with the system they might have kept him around. His role on special teams was another factor. I'm not blind to the fact that he's not the ball hawk he was in college, or to the way he played last season. But I don't think he's a Dorsett or Gibson either.
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I wasn't trying to say you were defending him. I agree with you. I was just trying to highlight why he was cut. With Huff, Wilson, Branch, and Cooper, I didn't anticipate Stu sticking around. I would rather have Stu than Eugene, maybe even Baker. But I anticipate both Eugene and Baker to be camp guys. When Gbril signed, it was to strengthen the spot Eugene/Stu used to occupy, creating a solid tandem with Huff/Wilson as starters. But our need for Cooper was made clear last year as well. He made a mistake, we cut him, and found we really struggled on ST without him. Plus, he's not a bad fill in at safety at all. When he was brought back last season, it tells me we need him on this team. Then comes Branch, also a ST guy who everyone says was a "real steal" although the jury is still out, it has already been announced he was going to be moved to safety and he is a strong candidate to be the KR/PR, maybe the only one competing with Higgins to be a KR/PR. His performance at OTA's must have shown a lot of promise. Then Eugene took Stu's spot, so the agency must have thought Eugene was a better player than Stu, although I disagree there, my opinion doesn't matter. Stu is not happy, he's also a vocal player. If he was held here after June 1, he would have caused locker room issues. I think the agency went into it knowing Stu won't be around this year, and gave him the benefit of the doubt, and cut him early to give him a better shot at signing on somewhere before the June 1 exedous. I have a good feeling Lamont is next.... -I AM THE DARKNESS OF THE FUTURE- BOOK OF NAVI CH. 22 Phase 1 "The time for hard work is now! The time to plan and scheme is today! The present must begin to build the golden streets of the future or your hope will be diminished!"
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personally i've got nothing against stu, and i'd be the first to commend him if and when he's ever able to take his career to the next level. he's young at 26, so time would be on his side. yes he's versatile, could provide depth, and contributed on special teams. but when your cap figure is $2.6 mil for the coming season, i'm guessing that since his agent had been looking at other opportunities for a trade, there was no way he was going to rework his contract for the organization. he may have indeed been the #3 safety behind wilson & huff. i certainly don't think eugene was an upgrade or that baker will make the team. the jury's obviously still out on tyvon branch. he's going to get every opportunity to establish himself in the KR/PR game & on special teams coverage. i honestly think that he showed them what they'd hoped for in the rookie mini-camp, or else they would've kept stu longer. i think branch will be given the chance to earn the #3 safety spot, and the possibility remains we can pick a veteran or two up after the june 1 wave hits. all i can say is that ryan has referred to branch's hitting and tackling ability more than once since the draft. they already know he can help on special teams, but i think they see him as an asset to the D more than any of us really know. my thing with stu is that, even though he did everything asked of him on and off the field, he's seemingly always carried around this chip on his shoulder. his mantra has always been that "it's everyone else's fault, not mine" or "it's our horrible defensive scheme's fault, not mine". last year when he lost his job to eugene, what was stu's reaction. i didn't deserve to lose my starting job, it was never explained to me why i was benched, i need to be given my starting spot back. there's no love lost with me when it comes to lamont jordan, but i can at least say he's been mostly professional about his situation. when he lost his job to justin last season and was then healthy again, he didn't go around saying "you need to give me my starting job back". he's always said simply, i'm going to work hard and earn my job back and do my job when they call on me. there's a difference between being a class act and just being a class [bleep]. i'll let everyone decide for themselves which category stu falls under. since schweigert took over as the starter in his rookie season, the organization has brought in virtually no one to ever push him or compete with him. i mean, ray buchanon? are you freakin' kidding me? stu had the better part of the past 3 seasons to earn his starting job, without any competition whatsoever. is it the organization's fault they didn't bring in anyone else to push stu or at least provide depth during that time? absolutely. but for him to carry around this "the organization has screwed me" attitude is rediculous. you guys are right, we haven't had anyone better than stu here. was eugene necessarily better than stu, no. but i don't expect to see eugene on the team come september either. the problem is, stu really wasn't any better than eugene either. after giving him a chance for 3 years, i think the organization finally decided stu wasn't the answer and had to try something different. i really hope stu can find that place out there that can give him the starting opportunity he feels he deserves.
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"I have a good feeling Lamont is next...." Let's hope you're right man. Also, good point about the possibility of Stu being a problem in the locker room if he were still here. That is one thing the S&B does not need. Later, PortRaider
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No one should be surprised by this. He was by far and away the WORST starting safety in the league. If I'm wrong, please, let me know and name who was worse.
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there are two fundamental reasons why schweigert was a worthless safety. first, the guy was too passive and simply let everything come to him. as a safety, you must attack and initiate contact....actually freakin' hit someone STU! can you ever remember stu just drilling someone, anyone, and knocking them on their [bleep]? i sure as hell can't! the only time stu ever made contact with anyone was when they were running right at him (or mostly just running right over him). stu was always the one left lying on his back and getting knocked on his [bleep]. second, as a pass defender, schweigert was again too freakin' passive. i have said numerous times and will say it until i am blue in the face, the safety MUST make the WRs think twice about going across the middle for a pass. that's where the classic term "alligator arms" comes in. granted there are a few WRs out there who will put their bodies on the line to make the catch, but most WRs will hesitate to go all out IF the D has a safety who poses a threat at all. unfortunately, stu has never been considered a threat to hit anyone or take out a WR. van mcelroy, eddie anderson, mike harden, ronnie lott, john lynch, dennis smith, steve a[bleep]er, rodney harrision....just the first names that come to mind for me when you talk about guys who make WRs pay for going over the middle. guys who weren't afraid to toe the line between physical and dirty when it came to hits. but when you make as much money as most of those guys did, you can afford a league fine here and there. those guys had a reputation in the league, and every WR was well aware of it. reads and decision making have never been stu's strengths either. it always seemed like he bit on every pump fake or play action. whether it was a bad read or being late on backside help on a WR, stu just always ended up out of position. as a result, mostly every big play our secondary gave up was right down the middle of the field. that would generally be the fault of the safety. the fact he had so many INTs in college amazes me, because he just never demonstrated that aggressiveness in the NFL. i can only imagine he got alot of INTs like the few he got in the NFL......where the QB would badly overthrow the intended WR or just throw it up for grabs, then stu had to do little more than simply go back and fare-catch the damn thing. INTs, much like Sacks, can be a very overrated stat at times. yet there are a ton of players who get big contracts and end up being big-time busts because of them. schweigert, like gibson, hung around and hung around while organization waited for them to become the safety it needed them to be. but neither of them ever did. with gibson, i can understand the reluctance to release him so soon, given his 1st round draft pick status. with stu though, being a 4th round pick, there really wasn't that scholarship status. in both cases, i think it just had alot to do with our lack of having anyone else to supplant them. also seemed like gibson got injured nearly every year. stu really had all the opportunity in the world to wow and amaze us......and boy did he ever! i think his days were numbered when he gave gibril wilson the big FA contract. obviously michael huff has the potential to team well with him. i think the drafting of branch in the 4th round signalled the end of the "age of schweigert". rob ryan has made no secret of branch's impressive physical hitting ability. what's this, a safety who'll actually hit people? i really think we'll see him play quite a bit as a rookie, both on ST and D. he'll end up being the #3 S behind wilson & huff. another thing about stu.....what the hell was he ever trying to do with the whole caveman/beard look?
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I think the constant bashing of Schweigert is really just beating a dead horse. While his "career years" occured in 05 and 06, nobody within league circles have ever considered him to be a dominant game changing performer. As a role player and contributor I don't think that anyone can complain about his play. Is he Ed Reed, Marvin Harrison, Steve A[bleep]er, or Brian Dawkins? No, but few really are. The fact that he is and never was elite shouldn't be an automatic reason to bag the guy to the realm of safety futility. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most of the heavy hitting safeties that everybody covets and loves Strongs and not Frees? You're not going to get any argument for me regarding his poor play this past season. I felt that after 05 he was going to step up and turn into the player that we all want to see on the field. Obviously that didn't happen which is why they picked up Wilson and decided to move Huff over to FS for his turn there. But let me ask you this, when was the last time we saw Huff just destroy somebody across the middle? I can think of one solid hit he's delivered, but I'm not giving anyone a hitter label because he lit someone up once or twice. It's football, lighting up a player is going to happen. Schweigert didn't have a big time contract which was part of the reason why I could accept him staying with the team. Every team needs a role player. He's not prime time, but he isn't worthless. To compare him to Dorsett or Gibson isn't entirely fair. We also saw what happened when Eugene who was supposed to be so much better got a bit of playing time....he got trucked on the goal line for a TD. My point is, that he was a 3rd round draft pick that didn't materialize into the star that we all hoped he would be. But he made the team because he was the best player we had at the position. What we should be concerned about currently though is why Huff was never able to take his job from him. Couldn't that be a cause for concern as well? Many of us remember Stu getting beat and missing tackles. But for two years he tackled relatively well considering. Just as Gibril Wilson doesn't seem to get the attention he deserves over the last several years I think many of us have given far too much attention to a guy drafted in the 3rd who had nobody on the depth chart behind him that was better. He served his purpose and is now gone. He made a lot of plays on special teams for us, which may be where his niche is in this league similiar to Jarrod Cooper. A capable backup who excels at Special Teams. Lots of players make long careers doing that.
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THE FUTURE bro you'd better back off now because if not, you will have evryone coming after you about this guy...you took up for him a lot in da past and he got cut...don't defend him, just let these kats have their peace. you are right though, we was better than gib and dorsett...shiot, we may as well add pope in there too....lol.. but stu was just anotha safety who didn't pan out for oakland...there has been a lot of those in this millenium....but some are right about him, stu wasn't agressive and never had good instincts....i remember what you said last season that he does what the coach asks, but i guess that may have not been the case, even if it was, sometimes on da field you gotta go with your own instincts and make some plays out there... peace
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There's no need for anyone to come after me for my comments regarding Schweigert because there's nothing inflamatory about them. Did he criticize the team after being cut? Sure he did, he's not the first and wont be the last. Are his complaints legit? Yes again. Oakland does run a kind of funky defense where the safeties are pretty much used as linebackers. I don't know that I would have called it a gimmick defense, but it's not widely used and thus requires special personnel to run. Regardless of what he says now or what we say, he's gone. He'll move on elsewhere and the only time we have to worry about his play will be when we face him.
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THE FUTURE yeah and that is why i won't talk bad about him on his comments about oakland....that was why i would not talk bad about porter when he was actually here and said some things needed to be changed about oakland...that is why i never got mad at moss for ripping da organization after he left...i agree with all of them...that defense does suck...i don't like anything about the scheme, almost. tim brown...rod coleman, the list goes on and on about players ripping us...they do it for a reason....they know what goes on inside the organization and they are not blind..me either...so i commend stu for talking...i commend all of them because it sheds light on darkness. anyhoo, i wonder wheree he will show up next?...peace
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THE FUTURE i remember telling you yesterday, either you or your bro, that stu would say something negative about the team, and if you scroll down on this sarticle about what stu said about us (not my post to you, but someone elses unless you read it already)....yeah, he definitely spoke negative about us. i won't blame him for this though because i speak negatively all the time about the team...but i do find it odd that when he says we was playing in the wrong defensive system that he didn't say this when he got the 100 tackles...he actually said the complete opposite.. but there is one thing i do agree with...our defensive system does suck and it's one of the worst schemes ever in these day and ages...our defense will neevr be dominat anymoe for this very reason alone...if alot of defenders from our team left they would all say the same thing...even sapp said they are doing something obviously wrong...like trying to play a 4-3 team with a 3-4 team... this is why i don't blame rob ryan, al is doing this shiot and kiff made that known after he finally spoke after the slience...he said the person who is really the defensive coordinator is al davis. i will never blame rob for the defense, you can only motivate guys so much before they really can't play this type of scheme...the only player that i can see play this type of scheme minute in and minute out is nam....everything about him says bump and run...i may have to make ap ost about this now that stu brought that to my attention.
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Now know put up or get cut. Its not that I did not like Mr. Schweigert, hell I didn't even know the man. I remember he was parting with Culpepper and Thomas in Vegas after we won a couple of games, celebrating two whole victories I guess. NFL is a business. The Raider's goal is to win the Superbowl. Stu did not fit into either of those plans. The raiders are definately looking to the future, but not past the first game and next game of the 2008 season.
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with Stu's comments here. I love how he rips the Raiders' man-to-man defense. Saying other team use it as a "gimmick" but the Raiders use it as their base D. Stuart Schweigert's release from the Oakland Raiders is liberating by Hugh Bernreuter | The Saginaw News Wednesday May 21, 2008, 9:19 PM Tuesday was not a day of mourning in the Stuart Schweigert household. It was, instead, a day of liberation. The Oakland Raiders released Schweigert, cutting him from the roster and from their payroll. The move made the four-year safety a free agent. Free is the right word. "It was definitely something I was waiting for, something I've been expecting for two months," Schweigert said. "Everybody knew it was coming, but I still had to go to the mandatory camps. "It was terrible, sitting through the meetings and working on the defense they were putting in and all the time knowing I wasn't going to be a part of it. I wasn't into it mentally, emotionally or physically." Getting his release, however, has recharged Schweigert, who played four years for the Raiders after Oakland picked him in the third round out of Purdue in the 2004 draft. "I'm ready to go," Schweigert said. "The Raiders have been trying to trade me for two months now, so my agent has been talking to teams who are interested. Now those talks get a lot more serious." As the 2007 season ended, Schweigert could sense his days as a Raider were numbered. Criticisms became louder, and he finished the season on the bench. "I basically didn't play the last five games of the season, yet I was fourth on the team in tackles," Schweigert said. "But they kept talking about how I wasn't a good tackler. "In all my years in football, I've never been around a more negative atmosphere. Nobody had my back, even when in the years before I had their backs 100 percent." According to Schweigert, part of the blame is in the type of defense the Raiders use. It offers little help for the free safety. "I would make a bunch of tackles, but the highlight on (ESPN) SportsCenter would be the one that I missed because that was the one that went for a touchdown. The Raiders are the only team in the NFL that uses the cover-0 defense, which puts eight men in the box and man coverage on the receivers. "Some teams will use the cover-0 as a gimmick defense on rare occasions, maybe to blitz. But nobody uses it as their standard defense like the Raiders do." The defense leaves the free safety, in this case Schweigert, very alone on a very big island. "When the runner gets to me, eight guys have already missed him. The highlight though would only show me. The disappointing thing is that I was held up to criticism and nobody defended me after everything I've done for the Raiders. I didn't miss any camps. I did everything they asked me to do, on the field and in the community." In the offseason, Oakland signed safety Gibril Wilson from the New York Giants, sending an even clearer signal that Oakland no longer had room for the 26-year-old safety. "I knew it was over at that point," Schweigert said. "With the big signing and with Michael Huff coming back, I knew they wouldn't keep me for a number of reasons, including financial ones." So now Schweigert gets to pick his team ... and money is not the determining factor. "I need to go to a team where I can compete for a starting position," Schweigert said. "I'll probably sign a one-year contract where I have the best opportunity to show I can play. After this year, then I'll hit the free-agent market." There are, however, other factors. "I'd like to move closer to home," said Schweigert, who is engaged to be married in June. "Now that I'm becoming a family man myself, I can see the importance of being closer to family. It wasn't the best situation for my family to come see me play, so in that respect I would like to move farther east. "But the first priority is to find the right opportunity." And for that, the Raiders did do Schweigert a favor by releasing him Tuesday. They could have released him once training camp started. "It allows me a chance to sign with a team, go to their mini-camps, work with the defense and learn everything before training camp starts," said the 6-foot-2, 210-pound Schweigert. "I'll be able to get ready so I'll have a real chance at a starting spot. "To me, it feels like starting over again. It feels like I'm starting fresh with a clean slate. "It's a good feeling."

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