The Boldin talk should stop. Not that it's not a great dream, but the reality is that it is just that, a dream. Arizona isn't going to give him up and they don't have to pay him. He's upset about a contract extension he signed after complaining that he was underpaid.  Arizona did him right by giving him a contract that he deserved. Here we are later though and he's got Drew Rosenhaus chirping in his ear about how he deserves the kind of money Fitz got on the other side. While this may be true, the reality is that he signed the contract he did rather than playing out the current one and reaping the rewards of a big payday. He's stuck.
Besides all that, the real problem is that we don't have anything of value that would be worth giving to get him. A 1st round pick would be a minimum. But Arizona is also going to want a player in exchange as well. RB is the only position we could possibly afford to lose one player and AZ doesn't exactly need another back. Perhaps we could part with Walter since Leinart and Warner aren't that great but I don't know that Walter would get a deal done.
According to my sources (ESPN lol) Koren Robinson and Joe Horn look to be potential points of interest. Horn likely isn't interested. Robinson isn't that great but props to whomever it was who brought it up earlier because it looks to come true (he can also return kicks). It's now painfully obvious that we desperately need someone to come in and do something. Our current receivers just wont cut it, especially with a questionable Walker and Curry forgetting how to close his hands around a ball. Not looking good for the passing game. Perhaps we need all of our RB's afterall...
your first sentence is so dead on there isn't anything else to add...why do people do this shiot every year (talk about guys we will never get) is beyond me...i mean they literally do it ever year.
we will never get the guys they want...plain and simple....it's funny we got walker and no one asked about him, lol..lol....hahahaha...peace maun
Very few actually play the game with the default rosters on. Most begin to trade and deal in an effort to accumulate the best talent the league has to offer. That's fine, on a console. In real life it just doesn't work.
AZ would be stupid to trade him for less than market value and unfortunately his value exceeds what we would have to offer. That means that we either overpay like crazy or he's not coming to Oakland. Al Davis has a pretty good track record when it comes to getting good value for his trades, he got a 1st round pick for Doug Jolley afterall. But I think even this one is going to be difficult for him to pull off.
Translation....Koren Robinson, Doug Gabriel, Freddie Mitchell, Alvis Whitted or some other out of work player is likely to be brought in instead.
hahahaha, you really need to quit it with this madden mode just because you may not be a big fan of it..
shiot if anything i blame you fantasy teamers, lol...i just saw an article about that fantasy team shiot on espn with stephen a. smith talking about it...i won't say what he said, you would have to read it yourself....he doesn't like that shiot and me either, lol.
i mean i always get players on my madden teams but i am not stuck on the game, i am in da real world, i know for damn sho we won't get him...it really bothers me when kats are always saying we need to get a player we never get....
Al Davis has a pretty good track record when it comes to getting good value for his trades, he got a 1st round pick for Doug Jolley afterall.
very true, who did we get for jolley cuz i forgot?...
but what about that moss trade?...lol.
Translation....Koren Robinson, Doug Gabriel, Freddie Mitchell, Alvis Whitted or some other out of work player is likely to be brought in instead.
On the contrary, I'm a HUGE fan of Madden and the franchise mode. In fact, I'm picking up my new copy of Madden this weekend. My problem is that while EA and the Madden franchise has in fact created a wonderful football simulator, it's still not rooted in reality.  Fantasy football is. I don't see how we could even be talking about the two as though they are similar.
In Madden, a player can draft an all star roster if they'd like to approach it that way. If they don't they can go into a franchise mode and attempt to make any trade they want. The game will accept any trade based on the perceived value of its interpretation. Meaning, if you just feel like acquiring Adrian Peterson, Tom Brady and Troy Palamalu for your team you can provided you put the right package together. In reality, those teams wouldn't even entertain a trade package for those guys. As a result, we have people in real life who seem to think that ANY player can be traded for, that trades actually occur with quite regularity and often for far less than what they should. That's my issue with Franchise mode. Too many people who think "Hmmm we need a receiver, well Chad Johnson wants out we can give up a 2nd and 3rd pick along with so and so and can get him." A lot of times the suggestions these guys make sound like they come straight from the game lol
Fantasy Football on the other hand is entirely different. You draft a team full of REAL players and you score points based on their REAL stats from week to week. How does that give people an unrealistic view of the league?
The Moss trade wasn't a bright moment, but at the same time it got rid of him which is what everybody wanted. The only downside to that one was that it should have been a conditional draft pick. Oh well, the guy does manage to pull off some amazing deals.
We traded Jolley to the Jets for their 1st Round pick (#25) in the 2005 NFL Draft. There were some other draft picks thrown in later in the draft. We used the Jolley pick to move up in front of a couple of teams to draft Fabian Washington, of whom we traded away on draft day to Baltimore. Doug Jolley is buried on Tampa's roster and didn't play a down last season. So basically, the trade is null for both teams.
But as Valley mentioned, aside from the Moss trade (which definitely should have been conditional), Al has a pretty good track record on getting more than he gives away in draft day trades. What he does with those picks is besides the point because Al no longer drafts well, and every owner is pretty much equally hit and miss with the draft. Lastly, Moss had to go. the fact we got anything for him was good because it was addition by subtraction. What he did in N.E. last season can't be blamed on Al or Kiff, because a player like Moss is more trouble than he's worth. Also, although we traded a #7 pick to get Moss, it was used on a player (who we would have drafted as well) who is a bust and is in danger of being out of work again. And since we are so desparate for WR help, if he is cut, we could pick him up and make out better on that trade as well. And for the record, N.E. won just as many Super Bowls as the Raiders did last year...zero.
Posted on Sun, 08/24/2008 - 13:01 — by RAIDERL
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The Boldin talk should stop. Not that it's not a great dream, but the reality is that it is just that, a dream. Arizona isn't going to give him up and they don't have to pay him. He's upset about a contract extension he signed after complaining that he was underpaid.  Arizona did him right by giving him a contract that he deserved. Here we are later though and he's got Drew Rosenhaus chirping in his ear about how he deserves the kind of money Fitz got on the other side. While this may be true, the reality is that he signed the contract he did rather than playing out the current one and reaping the rewards of a big payday. He's stuck.
Besides all that, the real problem is that we don't have anything of value that would be worth giving to get him. A 1st round pick would be a minimum. But Arizona is also going to want a player in exchange as well. RB is the only position we could possibly afford to lose one player and AZ doesn't exactly need another back. Perhaps we could part with Walter since Leinart and Warner aren't that great but I don't know that Walter would get a deal done.
According to my sources (ESPN lol) Koren Robinson and Joe Horn look to be potential points of interest. Horn likely isn't interested. Robinson isn't that great but props to whomever it was who brought it up earlier because it looks to come true (he can also return kicks). It's now painfully obvious that we desperately need someone to come in and do something. Our current receivers just wont cut it, especially with a questionable Walker and Curry forgetting how to close his hands around a ball. Not looking good for the passing game. Perhaps we need all of our RB's afterall...
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your first sentence is so dead on there isn't anything else to add...why do people do this shiot every year (talk about guys we will never get) is beyond me...i mean they literally do it ever year.
we will never get the guys they want...plain and simple....it's funny we got walker and no one asked about him, lol..lol....hahahaha...peace maun
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 620
I blame Madden and its "Franchise" mode.
Very few actually play the game with the default rosters on. Most begin to trade and deal in an effort to accumulate the best talent the league has to offer. That's fine, on a console. In real life it just doesn't work.
AZ would be stupid to trade him for less than market value and unfortunately his value exceeds what we would have to offer. That means that we either overpay like crazy or he's not coming to Oakland. Al Davis has a pretty good track record when it comes to getting good value for his trades, he got a 1st round pick for Doug Jolley afterall. But I think even this one is going to be difficult for him to pull off.
Translation....Koren Robinson, Doug Gabriel, Freddie Mitchell, Alvis Whitted or some other out of work player is likely to be brought in instead.
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Posts: 1318
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hahahaha, you really need to quit it with this madden mode just because you may not be a big fan of it..
shiot if anything i blame you fantasy teamers, lol...i just saw an article about that fantasy team shiot on espn with stephen a. smith talking about it...i won't say what he said, you would have to read it yourself....he doesn't like that shiot and me either, lol.
i mean i always get players on my madden teams but i am not stuck on the game, i am in da real world, i know for damn sho we won't get him...it really bothers me when kats are always saying we need to get a player we never get....
Al Davis has a pretty good track record when it comes to getting good value for his trades, he got a 1st round pick for Doug Jolley afterall.
very true, who did we get for jolley cuz i forgot?...
but what about that moss trade?...lol.
Translation....Koren Robinson, Doug Gabriel, Freddie Mitchell, Alvis Whitted or some other out of work player is likely to be brought in instead.
classic mongoose....peace
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On the contrary, I'm a HUGE fan of Madden and the franchise mode. In fact, I'm picking up my new copy of Madden this weekend. My problem is that while EA and the Madden franchise has in fact created a wonderful football simulator, it's still not rooted in reality.  Fantasy football is. I don't see how we could even be talking about the two as though they are similar.
In Madden, a player can draft an all star roster if they'd like to approach it that way. If they don't they can go into a franchise mode and attempt to make any trade they want. The game will accept any trade based on the perceived value of its interpretation. Meaning, if you just feel like acquiring Adrian Peterson, Tom Brady and Troy Palamalu for your team you can provided you put the right package together. In reality, those teams wouldn't even entertain a trade package for those guys. As a result, we have people in real life who seem to think that ANY player can be traded for, that trades actually occur with quite regularity and often for far less than what they should. That's my issue with Franchise mode. Too many people who think "Hmmm we need a receiver, well Chad Johnson wants out we can give up a 2nd and 3rd pick along with so and so and can get him." A lot of times the suggestions these guys make sound like they come straight from the game lol
Fantasy Football on the other hand is entirely different. You draft a team full of REAL players and you score points based on their REAL stats from week to week. How does that give people an unrealistic view of the league?
The Moss trade wasn't a bright moment, but at the same time it got rid of him which is what everybody wanted. The only downside to that one was that it should have been a conditional draft pick. Oh well, the guy does manage to pull off some amazing deals.
"Classic Mongoose" what does that mean?
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We traded Jolley to the Jets for their 1st Round pick (#25) in the 2005 NFL Draft. There were some other draft picks thrown in later in the draft. We used the Jolley pick to move up in front of a couple of teams to draft Fabian Washington, of whom we traded away on draft day to Baltimore. Doug Jolley is buried on Tampa's roster and didn't play a down last season. So basically, the trade is null for both teams.
But as Valley mentioned, aside from the Moss trade (which definitely should have been conditional), Al has a pretty good track record on getting more than he gives away in draft day trades. What he does with those picks is besides the point because Al no longer drafts well, and every owner is pretty much equally hit and miss with the draft. Lastly, Moss had to go. the fact we got anything for him was good because it was addition by subtraction. What he did in N.E. last season can't be blamed on Al or Kiff, because a player like Moss is more trouble than he's worth. Also, although we traded a #7 pick to get Moss, it was used on a player (who we would have drafted as well) who is a bust and is in danger of being out of work again. And since we are so desparate for WR help, if he is cut, we could pick him up and make out better on that trade as well. And for the record, N.E. won just as many Super Bowls as the Raiders did last year...zero.
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