In the past week 8 consecutive dominant wins by Senator Obama have been held in low profile in 0ur local Times/MediaNews paper. Sure it was reported in the text, but no headlines nor triumphant photos? Today there was a smallish one but down at the bottom. Other state wins by Obama were reported under headlines of "Close race" (overall) and photos of GOP candidates in an already determined race (?) plus rehashes of some of Ms. Clintons better days. The headlines of other major liberal leaning papers seem to see some connection between the replacement of Senator Clinton's campaign managers and her string of big losses. LA Times front page: "CLINTON SLIDING ORDERS A CHANGE", Chicago Sun Times: "CLINTON FEELING THE HEAT" Washington Post, Portland Oregonian saw it similarly too. But not our paper. The CCTimes story on Hillarys campaign leadership shake up was on page 7 and seemingly unrelationed to recent results. I recall that Ms. Clinton's very narrow win in small state Nevada was reported with fanfare and photos. I'm not an Obama booster but dang...the Times editors certainly are in no danger of being accused of that either.
June Postscript. Hillary lost so the Times is now...all about Obama. SURPRISE? not.
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What would you make of something like this: "Obama: 10 Blowout Wins in a RoW!" How deep in the newspaper would we have to go to find gossip, tidbits, reports, etc?
The newspaper has to appear to maintain a balance but what would you do when one side comes out against Words? How long would the CCTime survive without using words? The so-called "Less Educated" used to be on the side of Hillary, did they get a beer and a sandwich? They do elsewhere but, they are now found in Obama's side. Could it be that living in the street teaches wisdom-beyond-years including how to fend off rip off con artists, charlatans, etc. Maybe, they can tell a phony better than most of us, who seldom meet one, and if we did, wouldn't know it?
Her argument that "words" are irrelevant reminds me of the argument by Dr Gilson or Dr. Maritain, who insisted that "to argue against Dialectics, even that of Marx, you must use Dialetics." Perhaps, Mrs. Clinton did not study Philosophy or Epistemology (study of words), her education, like our education, is still incomplete. "By definition", Dr. Gilson would add with a smile.
MikeSar
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IVA: Even Obamaphiles are getting a little creeped out by the adulation heaped on the senator by his acolytes. Quotes from a column in the Boston Herald by an Obama follower: Suddenly, I'm nervous. Very nervous, actually.
I'm nervous because an otherwise normal grownup told me yesterday she's watched the will.i.am (Black Eyed Peas) "Yes We Can" Obama video about 100 times and gets "weepy" every time.
I'm nervous because too many Obama-philes sound like Moonies, or Hare Krishnas, or the Hale-Bopp-Is-Coming-To-Get-Me nuts.
These true believers "Obama-ize" everything. They speak Obama-ese. Knit for Obama. Run for Obama. Gamble - Hold 'Em Barack! - for Obama. They make Obama cakes, underwear, jewelry. They send Valentine cards reading, "I want to Barack your world!"
At campaign rallies people scream, cry, even faint as Obama calmly calls for the EMTs. When supporters pant en masse, "I love you!" (like The Beatles, circa 1964), Barack says, "I love you back" with that deliciously charming, almost cocky smile.
"He walks into a room and you want to follow him somewhere, anywhere," says George Clooney.
"I'll do whatever he says to do," says actress Halle Berry. "I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."
I'm nervous because nobody's quite sure what Obama stands for, even his supporters. ("I can't wait to see," said actress/activist Susan Sarandon, declaring full support nonetheless).
I'm nervous because John McCain says Obama's is "an eloquent but empty call for change" and in the wee, wee hours, a nagging voice whispers, suppose McCain's right, too? Then what?
(When backing Barack feels like joining a cult - BostonHerald.com; Newsmax.com - Is the Obama Media Honeymoon Over?)
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It's true, some of his fans are ruining it for the normal folks. Like my friend in high school who was sooooo into Led Zepplin that I just didn't feel like there was room for novice fans like me (I finally listened and appreciated when I escaped to college where everyone was into modern jam band garbage), some Obama supporters are stifling his otherwise laid back campaign.
That said, as I listen to radio and cable TV conservatives practicing their attack phrases, making sure to include Hussein in his name or saying that he's a "mixed race candidate running as a black man", I can't help but think how much more gay such tactics are than homosexual marriage. McCain is already having to apologize for his supporters regarding such comments, and the Republican party is spending an impressive amount of money studying focus groups to find out how to attack black or female candidates without seeming racist or sexist, respectively. A step down for a party who claimed to reject the notion of P.C., but perhaps a step up from the 'Fritz and [bleep]' buttons worn at the 1984 Republican Convention mocking Geraldine Ferraro's spot on the Dem ticket.
Anyone who voted for Bush over Gore is hardly in a credible position to now say that experience should be the qualifier. And any liberal who is ready to vote for Obama without understanding his positions on the major issues is as dumb as any conservative willing to reject McCain over immigration and campaign finance reform. Everyone these days likes to "talk tough" and seem resolute, even though the ineffectiveness of such a tone in the White House for the last 8 years has left me unimpressed with the results. Whatever happened to "waiting and seeing" or "still thinking about it".
To the Obama zealots, I say 'Everything in Moderation'. To the rest I say, 'Never say never, you might be wrong.'
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Hey Mac,
I don't understand what's wrong with using his given middle name? Did you complain about Christian conservatives dwelling on Romney's Mormonism? Or, more appropriately, did you think it was inappropriate for Everyone to use the middle names of every past president? Isn't it important that Americans know everything about the candidates, so that we can make the best informed decision with our vote?
Onto your assertion that "anyone who voted for Bush over Gore is hardly in a credible position to now say that experience should be a qualifier." What world are you from? I'd love to be a lawyer, and retire at age 55, but I don't have the education or the experience to be qualified for that position. A lot of people voted for Bush, because he was and still is a Social Conservative. If you think that's utter foolishness, that's nice. In addition, I was amazed at your inference of an alternative Gore universe that things would be better with Gore is complete nonsense. That's an utter pipe dream.
Now then, let's look at Obama, "the candidate". He has said some very shocking things that might cause me to run for the hills, if he becomes the most powerful man on the planet. Here's a list of them:
(1) As president, he will take Nuclear Weapons off the table in his decision-making.
(2) He unambigously proclaimed that he will negotiate with Iran, a fledgling nuclear power, but he will consider attacking Pakistan, a Nuclear power.
(3) He claimed in a recent debate to have personal knowledge that our military is under supplied, but he fails to devulge his source.
(4) He stated during a rally that Al Qaeda was in Iraqi after "Bush's decision". George Tenet and other sources contradict this blame Bush parade that Al Qaeda in Iraqi was present long before the invasion. It makes perfect sense, since Hussein was Sunnie, so is bin Laden.
(5) California can't afford Universal Health Care due to its budget constraints, yet Obama and Hillary demand it!
The first four indicate to me that Obama might flip a coin to decide the fate of our country's foreign policy, and the 5th is a token domestic policy that will be the down fall of the present-day, far-left leaning Democrat party.
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Junkowski, you have your facts wrong. Again. Not surprising since you probably copied them from fox news or some other incredible right wing source. But you should spend some time educating yourself as to the positions Obama actually has taken. It might be an educational experience.
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Give me the facts of inaccuracy, and I'll yield to your point, but brace yourself for the following! Oh yeah, you are WRONG in your assertions, since Obama has said these things:
(1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbIEl-Mm5ds
(2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc4qnpu3N0M
(3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjZmA4YXFNo
Who is the Army Captain?
(4) I know you won't watch the following link, because you aren't objective, but merely a left-wing operative. Still, others will see that foxnews is objective, and O'Reilly shows both sides of the argument in a fair and balanced way unlike your favorite media sources.
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?022808/022808_oreilly_points...
(5) The CC times carried an article on this topic, but I'm not surprised that you skipped it:
http://www.contracostatimes.com/search/ci_8103512?IADID=Search-www.contr...
Here's to real dialog, SOB!
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Naturally, I would defend the right of anyone to include Barack's middle name when saying it, the same as I would defend their right to use racial epithets if they chose to. I don't think it's wrong, I just question the practical value of it. When speaking normally, as "one of the folks" to use an O'Reillyism, people often leave middle names out. Thus, it makes one appear to be a bit of a drama queen when they begin to suddenly include the middle name of one person as though it were a completely normal thing to do. Like saying "Dick Nixon" even though it's widely acknowledged that he goes by Richard. Also, supposing you were sincere in your assertion that it's important for voters to know everything about a candidate - if knowing a candidate's middle name is crucial to one's decision as to whether to vote for him or not, I'm afraid such a person's judgement would be rightly held in question. Why stop at middle names? Why not make sure every voter is aware of his shoe size and food allergies? Surely this information is as valuable in assessing his ability to be president.
In fact, I did defend Romney's mormon faith to those who attacked it. Mitt was a good governor and, I think, would have made a perfectly effective president, all of his silly election-time right wing rhetoric aside. The guy was as normal as they come, and far from the "true conservative" he tried to paint himself as. McCain isn't terrible, but I think it's too bad Mitt didn't get a fair shake.
My comparison to Bush was in no way a commentary on his status as a Social Conservative, any more than it was a commentary on Obama as a liberal. I was simply saying that it would be somewhat hypocritical for someone that brushed aside Bush's relative lack of political experience in relation to Gore's to now argue that Barack is too inexperienced in relation to McCain. People who hold core beleifs strive to be consistent in their decision making. Of course, nobody requires that you or any other American must do the same. Naturally I don't expect many Bush voters to go for Obama, I'm just laying down which objections would be logically sound and which would carry the mark of an irrational double standard.
I am amazed that you were able to read in an inference to a "Gore Universe" that wasn't there. I am equally amazed at what a mess that sentence was - "In addition, I was amazed at your inference of an alternative Gore universe that things would be better with Gore is complete nonsense." One quick proofread could have solved that.
In response to the uncited positions you claim Obama has taken: 1) As long as we possess and maintain nuclear weapons, they are on the table. I would ask, however, when the last time was that a president publicly declared the nuclear option one that he was considering. 2) He specifically said that he would not rule out meeting with any world leader in negotiations - his objection to Bush's policy being that it is not helpful to make a country "earn" a meeting with us - to use another O'reillyism - it makes us seem like "the liberal elite". If Osama Bin Laden were known to be in Pakistan, and Musharraf refused to get him, would you really oppose American action to get him? Barack wouldn't, and I have to stand with him on that. 3) One need look no further than several reports issued by the pentagon in recent months to know that our military is undersupplied. The Army's demand last week for an investigation to the delay in delivery of life saving armored vehicles is one of many symptoms of this problem. 4) Your spelling here could have been checked, but nonetheless, the 9/11 commission and the Pentagon have publically acknowledged that the role of Al Qaeda in the insurgency has been overstated in an effort to drive a wedge between foreign fighters in Iraq and domestic ones. 5) The Bush Economy and his "Ownership Society" are crumbling faster than foreclosed houses in Cleveland. Not a shocker given that Bush never ran a business successfully and insisted in keeping the Iraq tab off the books. But you're right, as we go into debt, Americans shouldn't take care of one another when we get sick or get hurt. A sense of healthy competition is more important than actual health. It should be every man for himself. If you get hurt or sick, it was probably your fault, and if you can't afford the cure, you should have worked harder or made more rich friends. Just like Jesus said. I only hope the Republicans can save us by continuing the excellent work of the last 8 years.
Keep calm. It moves more slowly than you think.
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There is no command to issue or button to push that creates paragraphs. What follows is a lengthy reply to your comments, and paragraphs are necessary. I will use the following symbol to represent paragraph breaks … it doesn’t help much, but it is better than trying to read one very long paragraph. Here goes:
---> You said: Hey Mac, I don't understand what's wrong with using his given middle name? …
---> There is absolutely nothing “wrong” with using a person’s middle name when making a political speech, even when that person prefers that it not be used (just as most of us prefer to not be referred to with our formal, full names). It is both rude and, in the case of Mr. Cunningham, calculated to imply connections that do not exist. One must consider the source … Whenever a rabid neo-con talking head makes reference to “Hussein”, in practically any context, you can bet your sweet bippy that he is not intending anyone to look favorably on the referent.
---> Isn't it important that Americans know everything about the candidates, so that we can make the best informed decision with our vote?
---> And what, pray tell, is there of importance to glean from knowing Barack Obama’s middle name? To whom would that bit of information have any importance, and in what way will that knowledge serve to inform that voter about Mr. Obama’s qualifications.
---> Onto your assertion that "anyone who voted for Bush over Gore is hardly in a credible position to now say that experience should be a qualifier." What world are you from?
---> You misunderstood the question … George W. Bush had practically no governmental experience at all, other than his partial term as governor of Texas. And yet people, often the very ones criticizing Obama’s supposed lack of experience, managed to vote for him. The point being raised is that people who voted for Bush (with hardly any experience) are hypocrites if they suggest that Obama should not be elected because he is inexperienced.
---> He [Obama] has said some very shocking things that might cause me to run for the hills, if he becomes the most powerful man on the planet. Here's a list of them: (1) As president, he will take Nuclear Weapons off the table in his decision-making.
---> I read ahead and saw the links you provided to support this and your other four assertions about the “shocking things” Barack Obama has said. I also saw that you proposed those links provide a solid basis to debate the merits of an Obama Presidency. Well, I checked out every single link (except #5, which was broken). Let me combine, then, my comments to both your statements (here) and the evidence you use to support them:
---> (1) The link to this criticism was to an NBC report of August 23, 2007. Let’s set the context from which you paraphrase the quote, shall we? Barrack Obama is shown replying to his critics who criticize him for being (apparently) “weak on terror”, because he ruled out using battlefield nuclear weapons against al-Qaida in Pakistan (of course, he manages to get one of his favorite digs in during the conversation – that it is ironic he is being attacked by those who so grossly misperceived our reception in Iraq). At any rate, the specific words he used were, “It would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance against civilians”, and then he corrected himself by saying that since there was no discussion of using nuclear weapons.
---> Even if we take his comment on the surface (as you clearly did, but the NBC reporters didn’t), My question would be: This bothers you? You would choose someone to serve as President who wanted to use nuclear weapons? This is why all American Presidents have remained purposefully vague about when (or if) they would use nuclear weapons. Obama is being equally vague. He has not taken the use of nuclear weapons off the table, he has taken the TOPIC of using them off the table!
---> (2) He unambigously proclaimed that he will negotiate with Iran, a fledgling nuclear power, but he will consider attacking Pakistan, a Nuclear power.
---> Your link to “prove” this objection is mixed. It takes me to a Democratic debate, and includes accusations aimed against Obama from both Chris Dodd and Hillary Clinton. Nowhere in this clip is there a reference to “negotiating with Iran”. Still, I can deconstruct this one for you, even without the direct reference. Barack Obama distinguishes himself from the current President by announcing his willingness to talk and listen to any world leader … to “negotiate”, as you interpret it … though almost anyone familiar with the concepts of conflict resolution knows that the only way to begin to resolve problems between folks is to get them to sit down and talk to each other about what is going on. Talking doesn’t guarantee satisfactory resolution, but it certainly offers far more opportunities for finding common ground than does not talking, at all (which offers NO opportunity) or does lobbing in the occasional insult or covertly working to undermine the other guy’s credibility (or even existence).
---> That said, what Obama actually said about Pakistan was that we need to refocus our policies and get out of Iraq, and make sure we help Pakistan deal with al-Qaida within its borders. If we have good intelligence regarding al-Qaida inside Pakistan and the Mushariff government refuses to act, then we need to take the action ourselves. He says nothing about “attacking” Pakistan … he is talking about surgical strikes against al-Qaida in Pakistan only after our “good” ally refuses to do anything about it. It is Senator Clinton who later raises the nuclear capacity of Pakistan, and even then, she refers to what might happen if we destabilize the Mushariff government and al-Qaida types take over and desire to retaliate. I will not elaborate here on our shady history of manipulation inside Pakistan (or Iran, or Afghanistan) – most stemming from the blunders of the Reagan Administration that somehow converge in Pakistan obtaining the state secrets enabling it to develop nuclear weapons AND taking sides with Mushariff in the first place (just one of the many “good” Islamic dictators we will NOT overthrow).
---> (3) He claimed in a recent debate to have personal knowledge that our military is under supplied, but he fails to devulge his source.
---> It is unclear to me why it is important for you to know who the “captain” is … as if revealing the source of this information would give it more credence. The “captain” may be fictionalized, or could be any number of legitimate sources. Does it really matter? There is widespread documentation of failure to provide adequate supplies to American forces fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Have you forgotten the failure of (well-paid) contractors … most of whom are paid a whole lot more than our soldiers … to deliver properly armored humvies? … or body armor? If memory serves me correctly, it was the latter shortage that prompted then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to quip, “You have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want" to an American soldier asking him why he and his buddies had to rummage through junkyards in order to find scrap metal that they could weld to humvies on their own for protection against IEDs. During that same interview, by the way (December 9, 2004) … at Camp Buehring in Kuwait … other soldiers wanted to know about new “stop/loss” policies (which prevents active duty soldiers from leaving the army, even if eligible for retirement), to which Rummy replied, the policy "is something you prefer not to have to use in a perfect world." Add to this the fact that tours of duty have been extended to 15 months, and leave time between tours cut back, and we have a different, though related, issue – not enough troops. I will not pursue arguments about whether we sent enough troops into Iraq to secure the occupation and prevent an insurgency … but that, too, reflects on the fact that we entered this war with a very bad plan for what to do after we “won” it. That is, no plan!
---> (4) He stated during a rally that Al Qaeda was in Iraqi after "Bush's decision". George Tenet and other sources contradict this blame Bush parade that Al Qaeda in Iraqi was present long before the invasion. It makes perfect sense, since Hussein was Sunnie, so is bin Laden.
---> Thanks for providing the O’Reilly Talking Points link … you have now documented the primary source of your opinions. First, O’Reilly is neither fair nor balanced. Yes … he showed two clips allowing Mr. Obama to speak for himself. But the references he cited to support his contention that Mr. Obama had better watch what he says are, at best, dubious. Yes, there is evidence that al-Zarqawi was in Baghdad before the US invasion; and yes, there is evidence of a possible link between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. But O’Reilly presented both contentions as fact, when on the contrary there is lots of evidence to suggest they are not facts, at all. THAT would have been a “fair and balanced” report. Mr. O’Reilly hides his “fairness” in partial truths and assumed realities. Let’s look at the two points he raised.
---> Technically, al-Qaida was not in Iraq until October of 2004, when al-Zarqawi swore an oath of allegiance to bin Laden and renamed his terrorist outfit … mostly expatriate Jordanians seeking to overthrow the monarchy there … “al-Qaida in Iraq”. Previous to that, he was a maverick terrorist and thug who ran a camp in Afghanistan, but refused to acknowledge bin Laden and operated on his own. He actually met bin Laden once, but actually left Afghanistan when bin Laden threatened him for not towing the line. In Iraq, he used that acquaintance as the basis for credibility to recruit a terrorist gang … a gang that more than once was reprimanded by bin Laden because it fueled a Sunni/Shi’a civil war that was not a part of the bin Laden master plan (at least until after the US was driven out of Iraq).
---> Certainly, George Tenet realized this … he had access to the same information that I have. Instead, he cherry-picks data and uses only that part of it that supports his opinion. In that sense, he is not “lying” … but he is not being truthful, either. I am sure this is why Mr. Tenet … who oversaw an intelligence agency whose gross mistakes the President subsequently blamed for such “little” inconveniences as no weapons of mass destruction, no nuclear weapons program, no direct al-Qaida connection, and no plans to attack (or support an attack on) American property … was awarded the Presidential Medal of Honor: for keeping his mouth shut and enforcing the Code of Silence.
---> As to the second claim made by Mr. O’Reilly … that ABC News reported on March 23, 2005 that documents captured by American forces show contact between bin Laden and Saddam (and the authenticity of the documents confirmed by the 9/11 Commission) … is equally dubious. Yes, the documents exist, and yes, the 9/11 commission made reference to the meetings described in those documents (but it did not have them, at the time, and described the contents only as “unsubstantiated evidence” … which casts yet even more doubt on the veracity of Mr. O’Reilly’s statements). But let’s look at the documents, shall we?
---> First, try to find them. After exhausting an effort to find the newscast where they were described, I settled for this print announcement (made on March 23) which you can find at http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490. As you look them over, and then read the editor’s comments, you will see that there are real questions about not only the source of the documents, but also their integrity (funny that you would question the “source” of Obama’s “captain”, but accept Bill O’Reilly’s sourcing at face value, or accept something as gospel when the source, itself, is questionable). The claim that Saddam Hussein met with Osama bin Laden is patently false. The claim that a representative of Hussein did so is corroborated by one of the documents O’Reilly refers to – but it occurred in 1995 and resulted in only one known outcome: the broadcast of a religious program on Iraqi radio; whether subsequent al-Qaida terrorist attacks represented agreements made at this meeting are unknown. The second document is even worse. In it, an unnamed Afghan informant is described in an Iraqi intelligence report (dated 9/15/2001) as having had a conversation with an unnamed Afghani “consul” who heard from some unnamed source while traveling in Iran at some undisclosed place or time that there was a shadowy relationships between Osama bin Laden, the Taliban, and the Iraqi government to cooperate in attacking the US. Even the signature on the document is illegible, making it impossible to track down the Iraqi agent to verify the authenticity of any of the information. The third document refers to French politics …
---> Back to your statement, for a moment: even if you are still willing to accept the propaganda that al-Zarqawi was “al-Qaida”, he was not in Iraq “long before the invasion”. According to George Tenet – your source – he showed up in Baghdad in 2002. I don’t care how you parse time, even from Jan 1, 2002 to March 20, 2003, is NOT a “long” time. But, as I have shown, al-Zarqawi did not have bin Laden’s trust to proclaim an “al-Qaida in Iraq” until October of 2004. In short, al-Qaida was NOT in Iraq until well-after America invaded and created the conditions that enabled it to develop (e.g., eliminate the ruthless dictator who broached no encroachment on his power). As to the fact that Hussein and bin Laden must be allies because they are both Sunni … give me a break! King Abdullah is a Sunni, and Osama bin Laden wants him overthrown! I could give lots more examples of the ludicrousness of this claim, but won’t. Instead, just recognize that Saddam Hussein was a secular ruler who utilized religious splits to his advantage, and Osama bin Laden seeks to overthrow all secular Muslim governments. Duh!
---> (5) California can't afford Universal Health Care due to its budget constraints, yet Obama and Hillary demand it!
---> The link that you provided to “prove” this point is broken. Still, I can say a few things about this topic. California cannot afford universal health care because people are already overpaying for private health care insurance. Eliminate insurance companies and eliminate for-profit health care, and universal single-payer health care becomes extremely affordable and makes a lot of sense. Even if people paid the same amount to the government that they now pay for private insurance in the form of taxes, no one would be out anything. They won’t have to pay that much, however, because the profit motive will be gone. There will be enough money to pay health-care providers a reasonable salary (they won’t get robbed, though they may not earn as much as they currently do), but stock holders and boards of directors and greedy CEOs won’t be milking and skimming money off the top for their incredibly obscene incomes. Don’t think it will work? I’ll give you one example that does … on a wide scale and with very little out-of-pocket expenses for those covered. Think VA.
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This, you say, is the problem "John McCain says Obama's is "an eloquent but empty call for change"" What does Sen. McCain proposed in his dronning words: Stay in Iraq for however long it takes, or something close to that. Some say he wants us to stay for a Century. Perhaps he was too long in his prison cell in Hanoi. He forgot his study of history in the U.S. Naval Academy, he forgot the battle in Iraq had been suppressed by Saddam but actually started 13 Centuries ago. That's right, 1,300 years ago and McCain who probably also forgot why that war started and continues, does not know why it started, how long has it lasted but he knows how to end it AND YOU BELIEVE HIM? Your objections to Obama is that his followers are too enthusiastic. Perhaps you are too young to have known or too old to remember the similar enthusiasm that spread all over the nation during the "Camelot Era". Perhaps you are too young to appreciate, or too old to remember, how Kennedy dealt with the Missile Crisis, would you rather have an old man like Goldwater or McCain be in charge of launching an attack to some nation or "cool man" Obama be in charge? Remember, the enthusiasm seen with Kennedy, Sens. JFK. Robert Kenney and Obama was and is by supporters, the Senators, all, spoke in calm cool tones, not like the shrill screaming of Sen. Clinton objecting to being asked "The First Question" (what did she mean by that?).
I think, but evidently you do not, that the choice of a candidate should be based on what THEY say, not on the audience reaction. Perhaps, the young feel free to respond whichever way they want because they feel liberated in some sense, others might not apprecieate, and not constrained by listening to an old College-professor-like lecture by an old Candidate that takes drugs daily to make sure his stroke is postponed for another day. Even when he was overly excited defending his date with a lobbyst, he blurted out, as if out of control, he had never met and never written to the Commission in support of her, which he had to retract because his letter was in the Public Record of the Commission. And this is the man you want to have in charge of our next 10 years in Iraq? And how, pray tell, do you and him expect to find money to pay for all that pointless adventure? Are you the last one to know there is a Recession coming? Nothing, so far, as to how long that will last -or what comes afterwards. How much more would you like to increase your taxes to continue the war in Iraq? What some call the Invasion of Iraq based on falsehoods?
MikeSar
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Obama’s Communist Mentor
AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | February 18, 2008
Is “coalition politics” at work in Obama’s rise to power?
Photo by Joe Crimmings*
In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama's life as a "secret smoker" and how he "went to great lengths to conceal the habit." But what about Obama's secret political life? It turns out that Obama's childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.
In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a "hard-core academic Marxist," which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.
However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."
The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.
Trevor Loudon, a New Zealand-based libertarian activist, researcher and blogger, noted evidence that "Frank" was Frank Marshall Davis in a posting in March of 2007.
Obama's communist connection adds to mounting public concern about a candidate who has come out of virtually nowhere, with a brief U.S. Senate legislative record, to become the Democratic Party frontrunner for the U.S. presidency. In the latest Real Clear Politics poll average, Obama beats Republican John McCain by almost four percentage points.
AIM recently disclosed that Obama has well-documented socialist connections, which help explain why he sponsored a "Global Poverty Act" designed to send hundreds of billions of dollars of U.S. foreign aid to the rest of the world, in order to meet U.N. demands. The bill has passed the House and a Senate committee, and awaits full Senate action.
But the Communist Party connection through Davis is even more ominous. Decades ago, the CPUSA had tens of thousands of members, some of them covert agents who had penetrated the U.S. Government. It received secret subsidies from the old Soviet Union.
You won't find any of this discussed in the David Mendell book, Obama: From Promise to Power. It is typical of the superficial biographies of Obama now on the market. Secret smoking seems to be Obama's most controversial activity. At best, Mendell and the liberal media describe Obama as "left-leaning."
But you will find it briefly discussed, sort of, in Obama's own book, Dreams From My Father. He writes about "a poet named Frank," who visited them in Hawaii, read poetry, and was full of "hard-earned knowledge" and advice. Who was Frank? Obama only says that he had "some modest notoriety once," was "a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes during his years in Chicago..." but was now "pushing eighty." He writes about "Frank and his old Black Power dashiki self" giving him advice before he left for Occidental College in 1979 at the age of 18.
This "Frank" is none other than Frank Marshall Davis, the black communist writer now considered by some to be in the same category of prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. In the summer/fall 2003 issue of African American Review, James A. Miller of George Washington University reviews a book by John Edgar Tidwell, a professor at the University of Kansas, about Davis's career, and notes, "In Davis's case, his political commitments led him to join the American Communist Party during the middle of World War II-even though he never publicly admitted his Party membership." Tidwell is an expert on the life and writings of Davis.
Is it possible that Obama did not know who Davis was when he wrote his book, Dreams From My Father, first published in 1995? That's not plausible since Obama refers to him as a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes and says he saw a book of his black poetry.
The communists knew who "Frank" was, and they know who Obama is. In fact, one academic who travels in communist circles understands the significance of the Davis-Obama relationship.
Professor Gerald Horne, a contributing editor of the Communist Party journal Political Affairs, talked about it during a speech last March at the reception of the Communist Party USA archives at the Tamiment Library at New York University. The remarks are posted online under the headline, "Rethinking the History and Future of the Communist Party."
Horne, a history professor at the University of Houston, noted that Davis, who moved to Honolulu from Kansas in 1948 "at the suggestion of his good friend Paul Robeson," came into contact with Barack Obama and his family and became the young man's mentor, influencing Obama's sense of identity and career moves. Robeson, of course, was the well-known black actor and singer who served as a member of the CPUSA and apologist for the old Soviet Union. Davis had known Robeson from his time in Chicago.
As Horne describes it, Davis "befriended" a "Euro-American family" that had "migrated to Honolulu from Kansas and a young woman from this family eventually had a child with a young student from Kenya East Africa who goes by the name of Barack Obama, who retracing the steps of Davis eventually decamped to Chicago."
It was in Chicago that Obama became a "community organizer" and came into contact with more far-left political forces, including the Democratic Socialists of America, which maintains close ties to European socialist groups and parties through the Socialist International (SI), and two former members of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), William Ayers and Carl Davidson.
The SDS laid siege to college campuses across America in the 1960s, mostly in order to protest the Vietnam War, and spawned the terrorist Weather Underground organization. Ayers was a member of the terrorist group and turned himself in to authorities in 1981. He is now a college professor and served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago. Davidson is now a figure in the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, an offshoot of the old Moscow-controlled CPUSA, and helped organize the 2002 rally where Obama came out against the Iraq War.
Both communism and socialism trace their roots to Karl Marx, co-author of the Communist Manifesto, who endorsed the first meeting of the Socialist International, then called the "First International." According to Pierre Mauroy, president of the SI from 1992-1996, "It was he [Marx] who formally launched it, gave the inaugural address and devised its structure..."
Apparently unaware that Davis had been publicly named as a CPUSA member, Horne said only that Davis "was certainly in the orbit of the CP [Communist Party]-if not a member..."
In addition to Tidwell's book, Black Moods: Collected Poems of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis's Communist Party membership, another book, The New Red Negro: The Literary Left and African American Poetry, 1930-1946, names Davis as one of several black poets who continued to publish in CPUSA-supported publications after the 1939 Hitler-Stalin non-aggression pact. The author, James Edward Smethurst, associate professor of Afro-American studies at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, says that Davis, however, would later claim that he was "deeply troubled" by the pact.
While blacks such as Richard Wright left the CPUSA, it is not clear if or when Davis ever left the party.
However, Obama writes in Dreams From My Father that he saw "Frank" only a few days before he left Hawaii for college, and that Davis seemed just as radical as ever. Davis called college "An advanced degree in compromise" and warned Obama not to forget his "people" and not to "start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that [bleep]." Davis also complained about foot problems, the result of "trying to force African feet into European shoes," Obama wrote.
For his part, Horne says that Obama's giving of credit to Davis will be important in history. "At some point in the future, a teacher will add to her syllabus Barack's memoir and instruct her students to read it alongside Frank Marshall Davis' equally affecting memoir, Living the Blues and when that day comes, I'm sure a future student will not only examine critically the Frankenstein monsters that US imperialism created in order to subdue Communist parties but will also be moved to come to this historic and wonderful archive in order to gain insight on what has befallen this complex and intriguing planet on which we reside," he said.
Dr. Kathryn Takara, a professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa who also confirms that Davis is the "Frank" in Obama's book, did her dissertation on Davis and spent much time with him between 1972 until he passed away in 1987.
In an analysis posted online, she notes that Davis, who was a columnist for the Honolulu Record, brought "an acute sense of race relations and class struggle throughout America and the world" and that he openly discussed subjects such as American imperialism, colonialism and exploitation. She described him as a "socialist realist" who attacked the work of the House Un-American Activities Committee.
Davis, in his own writings, had said that Robeson and Harry Bridges, the head of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) and a secret member of the CPUSA, had suggested that he take a job as a columnist with the Honolulu Record "and see if I could do something for them." The ILWU was organizing workers there and Robeson's contacts were "passed on" to Davis, Takara writes.
Takara says that Davis "espoused freedom, radicalism, solidarity, labor unions, due process, peace, affirmative action, civil rights, Negro History week, and true Democracy to fight imperialism, colonialism, and white supremacy. He urged coalition politics."
Is "coalition politics" at work in Obama's rise to power?
Trevor Loudon, the New Zealand-based blogger who has been analyzing the political forces behind Obama and specializes in studying the impact of Marxist and leftist political organizations, notes that Frank Chapman, a CPUSA supporter, has written a letter to the party newspaper hailing the Illinois senator's victory in the Iowa caucuses.
"Obama's victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle," Chapman wrote. "Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary ‘mole,' not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through."
Let's challenge the liberal media to report on this. Will they have the honesty and integrity to do so?
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Honesty and integrity aren't words used in delivering the "facts" to us by the left-leaning media sources. They prefer maintaining their income from the likes of Soros 'n Company.
Fortunately, the majority of Americans are familiar with this fact, and we shall see the extinction of Paper Media before most of our candles burn out.
Here's to the next generation!
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You hit the nail on the head there Jan. Abandoning traditional journalism in favor of New Zealand based bloggers would sure seem to be the way to go. Is Rupert Murdoch part of "'n Company", by the way?
Keep calm. The world moves more slowly than you think.
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You're probably right. Since Obama knew some communists, he's probably one himself. Bush tied to Bin Laden AND 9/11 through the Carlyle Group? Ridiculous. Obama a secret communist agent working his way into the presidency? Poetry and concealed smoking can prove it. Say no more. Bravo, gumshoe! You've saved the day! Gimme a break, dude.
Keep calm. The world moves more slowly than you think.
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Hillary Clinton thought that she would have sewed up the nomination by February (or at the very latest after Texas and Ohio). As a result, she planned her campaign accordingly. This means that, as of right now, she has nothing left except dirt. There has been a constant flow of it throughout the campaign, but now it will escalate. How disingenuous. How disgusting. Very much like her vote to give the President authority to invade Iraq: "it won't last long" (she thought).
Miscalculations, in themselves, happen all the time (look at the current, sitting President). However, when we see blatant examples of miscalculation during the campaign, it is time to let that candidate go. But ... and this is a big but ... when the candidate then starts covertly slinging mud, it's time to pull the plug. Examples? The email currently being circulated ... one of those "swiftboat"-type accusations that never go away ... has to do with the possibility that Barack Obama may, in fact, be Muslim. This email came from Hillary's campaign manager in Iowa. Then there's the story about Barack Obama maybe having sold drugs while in college. Another patently false accusation. And now comes the "double-talk" on NAFTA campaign, which ... in point of fact ... is something that Hillary actually DID (spoke to French political leaders to warn them that her questioning of NAFTA in union-important Ohio ... and probably Pennsylvania, later ... is to be viewed by the French as pure rhetorical and political haymaking, NOT policy or belief) but publicly chastised Barack for because he contemplated it.
Six months ago, this looked like the election that ANY Democrat would win without breaking a sweat. Now, Hillary ... whose ideas seem bankrupted, already ... seems to be campaigning to allow John McCain to win. And why won't she let us know just how much money King Abdullah (and other Saudis) have donated to the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Library?