Corporations and legal personhood.
I have seen a LARGE number of misunderstandings on this topic and I think a little clarification is important. The first step of that clarification is to define the relevant terms.
First of all Corporation
A corporation is a legal personality, usually used to conduct business. Corporations exist as a product of corporate law, and their rules balance the interests of the shareholders that invest their capital and the employees who contribute their labour. People work together in corporations to produce. In modern times, corporations have become an increasingly dominant part of economic life. People rely on corporations for employment, for their goods and services, for the value of the pensions, for economic growth and social development.
The defining feature of a corporation is its legal independence from the people who create it. If a corporation fails, shareholders will lose their money, and employees will lose their jobs, but neither will be liable for debts that remain owing to the corporation's creditors. This rule is called limited liability, and it is why corporations end with "Ltd." (or some variant like "Inc." and "plc"). In the words of British judge, Walton J, a company is...
"...only a juristic figment of the imagination, lacking both a body to be kicked and a soul to be damned."[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation
A legal person, also called juridical person or juristic person, is a legal entity through which the law allows a group of natural persons to act as if they were a single composite individual for certain purposes, or in some jurisdictions, for a single person to have a separate legal personality other than their own. [1] [2] This legal fiction does not mean these entities are human beings, but rather means that the law allows them to act as persons for certain limited purposes—most commonly lawsuits, property ownership, and contracts. This concept is separate from and should not be confused with limited liability or the joint stock principle.[3]. Also note that basic rights (like the rights to free speech and due process of law) do not necessarily follow from legal personhood. A legal person is sometimes called an artificial person or legal entity (although the latter is sometimes understood to include natural persons as well). Although the concept of a legal person is more central to Western law in both common law and civil law countries, it is also found in virtually every legal system. [4]
In England and the United States, the use of this terminology does not mean that legal persons are considered human beings. It is simply a "technical legal meaning" in which "a 'person' is any subject of legal rights and duties."[5] Because these entities may have legal rights and duties, they are considered 'legal persons' to distinguish them from natural persons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juristic_person
Critical components of these definitions are..
r Corporations are people; people make every decision for every action of every corporation. They are also private property, belonging to a group of shareholders.
r There are multiple types of corporations for a myriad of purposes, including government. Most Municipalities and many states are registered corporations. One can not generalize about a specific purpose of a corporation because every corporation has a unique purpose
r Corporation are a legal enitity created to limit risk to encourage investment. Without this limit on risk capital for research and development of any aspect of modern life is not possible.
r Extensions of civil rights to corporations are extensions of the shareholder’s civil rights; so any attack on those rights is a direct attack on the civil and property rights of the shareholders.
So let us look at the history of corporate person hood and the attacks on the civil and property rights of shareholders
http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/personhood/edwards_morgan_corporate.html
Once corporations had jumped the constitutional line from the government side to the people side, their lawyers proceeded to pursue the Bill of Rights through more Supreme Court cases. As mentioned above,
in 1893 they were assured 5th Amendment protection of due process.
In 1906 they got 4th Amendment search and seizure protection (Hale v. Henkel). In 1922 they got the "takings" clause of the 5th Amendment (Pennsylvania Coal Co. v. Mahon), and a regulatory law was deemed to be a "takings."
In 1936 (Grosjean v. American Press Co.) and 1947 (Taft-Hartley Act) they started getting First Amendment protections
All of which were done to allow corporations to function on behalf of their shareholders, and not of the rights extended were beyond the individual rights of the shareholders. Should corporation sue and be sued? Should they, as assets of individuals who are protected from governmental taking, not also be so protected?
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In 1976 the Supreme Court determined in Buckley v. Valeo that money spent for political purposes is equal to exercising free speech, and since "corporate persons" have First Amendment rights, they can contribute as much money as they want to overturn ballot initiatives or referenda (First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti).
A right that shareholders individually could enforce individually and seperately
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Just as sharecropping and the company store once kept people trapped in permanently subservient production roles, now the International Monetary Fund and World Bank's structural adjustment programs keep entire countries in permanent debt, the world's poorest people forced to feed interest payments to the world's richest while their own families go hungry.
The corporations made capital available to “the world’s poorest” so is repayment of the debt not reasonable, or should the loans be gifts by default. If the poorest wanted charity they should have made that clear; remember charity is never free either.
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Clearly there is a movement of left wingers like Ralph Nader to abolish “corporate Personhood”.
The purpose varies, but primarily seems to be….
A first step toward a process of eliminating corporations
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Controlling_Corporations/Challenge_Corp_Personhood.html
A step toward reducing the differences in wealth, and making the rich less rich
http://www.votenader.org/issues/corporate-personhood/
Reducing the political impact of corporations
http://www.votenader.org/issues/corporate-personhood/
A means to “fire up” the progressive movement which has little or no stake in the current campaigns
http://www.alternet.org/story/38406/?page=2&ses=55a01e7b25c191034279c2e66497ad81
The underlying motive, as far as I can see is to attack property rights, and to transfer wealth from the wealthy to the poor. I would be nice, and heck even ethical if the loony Left would admit that in the beginning, but that would be far to clear. America would not accept such a socialist agenda and they know it.
Without a question this movement is a socialist agenda; it is anti-American and it’ supporters do not belong in America. Currently they enjoy all the benefits of the capital creation of corporations. THEY ARE HYPOCRITES in the very basic sense of the term unless they are willing to move to a nation without corporations. I bet they all own and contribute to corporations.
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...I would be nice, and heck even ethical...
Fat chance. I doubt that there's anything anyone could do that would cause Clayton to be nice and/or ethical.
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But you missed the next part about you, the loony Left, being honest.
Since that will never happened, honesty not being part of the propaganda machine, I guess I do not have to be dfnice.
Not that the fperpetually stoned, you, would ever notice.
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And Clayton wonders who's stoned.
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rather than this piece of paranoid tripe.
Revoke Corporate Personhood
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Nobody cares.
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RealAmerica: Revoke Corporate Personhood
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Few people say this out loud, but there is a contingent in America that unabashedly wants communism or socialism or whatever "-ism" that will allow them to take from others in the name of the greater good. And, oh by the way, they're the ones who determine what the "greater good" is.
They've always been there, protesting against this or that, smashing chairs into McDonalds' and Starbucks and other evil engines of dreaded capitalism.
But this year there's no need for protest. This year, the protest goes mainstream and all civil-like. The fringe has become institutionalized, after all. This year, the "Robin Hood" party has a major presidential candidate.
Barack Obama.
We're not sure why he doesn't just drop all pretense and say he'll "nationalize" America's oil companies the way Hugo Chavez took the oil fields in Venezuela.
Obama, mind you, is now suggesting that the government here -- not just in leftist dictatorships in Latin America -- should take a "reasonable" amount of the oil companies' profits and give them to the American people.
What is the difference between that and what the Marxist tyrant Chavez has done -- except the degree of the taking?
Isn't taking still taking?
Where in the Constitution, or in the Magna Carta or the Declaration of Independence or in Christopher Columbus' Mapquest directions does it say the United States government can determine how much profit is fair and can just take the rest?
And, as the Wall Street Journal asked this week, "What is a 'windfall' profit anyway? How does it differ from your everyday, run of the mill profit? Is it some absolute number, a matter of return on equity or sales -- or does it merely depend on who earns it?"
"The oil companies need to know that there is a limit on how much profit they can take in this economy," Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, Obama's friend in the oil-bashing business, has said.
"Really?" inquires the Journal . "This extraordinary redefinition of free-market success could use some parsing."
Investors Business Daily has done some parsing. In Barack Obama's world, "Economic justice," the newspaper says, "simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.
"In the past, such rhetoric was just that -- rhetoric. But Obama's positioning himself with alarming stealth to put that rhetoric into action on a scale not seen since the birth of the welfare state."
Is anyone wondering why American oil companies should be punished anyway? Wouldn't that just hurt American consumers and our global competitive position?
And what industry is next? If the government deems one industry's profits unreasonable, what's to stop it from stepping in and taking money from others? Where's the line? Or is there one? It's much more convenient when there is no line; that way, a government that has all the answers can move about freely, "leveling" the playing field as it sees fit wherever and whenever it wants.
We're not sure what Barack Obama calls that kind of government. But we're pretty sure its "-ism" isn't preceded by "capital."