Russell - benched
DHB - like 4 catches? c'mon Crabtree didn't need a camp or a quarter season, came in his first game and looked great
McFadden - fragile, injury prone, fumbling machine
I hope everyone knows that Xplosive doesn't know squat about football
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I`m not defending X, I`m only speaking facts. The only reason I had changed my mind about drafting cra[bleep] is because he will more than likely become another T.O. or Chad Johnson type drama queen. He has already shown this. One can be the best WR of all time. If your not on the field because of bad attitude or selfishness it does the team no good what so ever. This is the only reason why Oakland did not draft Crabtree. also is the reason he fell deeper in the draft. Remeber your words in a year or two at the most. the niners have a much better o-line than we do so their run game is better and WR. have much more time to get open. So stop being fooled by the illusion.
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Sorry man but your words have no leverage....Heyward Bey cant even catch the football....He is just fast and has no football skills.... You want to prove everybody wrong then catch the football and score tds that what he is getting paid for not to receive catching lessons... You think you are the only one who knows football and act like a total smart [bleep] with such comments as (what ever,close minded like you just post etc etc) And you blame it on the offensive line....Bey has a huge contract and HE MUST PRODUCE....not 2 - 3 years from now HE IS GETTING PAID NOW ....... Stop making excuses for Jamarcus and Bey...they have had plenty fo opportunities to show his value and they have just failed...They demanded the money then produce and stop making excuses. Bey has been open plenty of times and has come out only with drops.....Right now he is proven all the critics right and most of the nation....
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Stop trying to dance arround my point. I don`t think anybody in the NFL world has questioned Crabs talent over Bey`s or any other WR. I`m quite sure that the only reason Bey was drafted first was his speed and the fact that Crabtree has some very possible attitude issues. Bey has had some decent moment and yes he has dropped some key passes. For you and for anyone else to judge 2 dif. Wr. over crabtrees one game just goes to show how easy you can be deceived. Not to mention the fact that the niners do run the ball better than we do for the fact they have a healthier o-line, therefore crabtree will have much more chances to be thrown at. And i`m not makeing excuses for anyone what so ever. I have stated a month ago that i`m not ready to right off Russell or anyone else until he plays 3-4 games with his normal starters. Then things in my mind will be justified that certain players "Maybe" busts. Key Word "Maybe" !!!! I bet you were one of those guys who thought that alex smith was a bust also. Seems like he`s starting to play well now right ? Becareful, it`s only one game.............However I really think that your whole post was created is because you have some problem with X. Which is just silly for you. All i can say is that he has picked AD`s number the last 3 years. Weather the picks come out great players or not he was correct in the pick and there is nothing you can do to change that. So go turn a 49er fan and get yourself a crabtree teddy bear and go cuddle.
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the close-minded card has got to be the worst attempt at highjacking freedom of the thought process since Mcarthyism. are you joking or is this the YES MAN himself, john herrera? i guess i should just carry around a video camera in case you try to jump me for you know....having a point that makes sense!
it's people like you and raider front office management in denial are the reason we are in this huge hole and laughed at. get a clue.
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yeah i agree with you....so far x has literally been wrong on "everything" he said or hoped so far....in my 29 years of living, i have never seen 1 maun so wrong in every category, lol...i don't know how things are gonna turn out, however, crabtree is better than bey on any level.....it was a stupid pic to begin and al will pay for hismistakes....once again....
it's not x's fault, but he is crazy for believing in a guy who didn't produce in college and is just fast....x actually went on record to say bey is a beast, has hands like moss, didn't drop passes in college and will adjust well to da nfl because he played in an nfl system in college.
bey should have been drafted in da 5th round, there were guys drafted in the 6th round with better numbers than bey.
waste of time.
mcfad is now considered injury prone...he hasn't turned out like x thought he would, lol....wow...peace .
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excellent points.
yeah, it's not X's fault. raider execs don't listen to X. thank god and i'm not even religous
but i will tell you what is X's fault. whenever someone disagreed with him, especially on the jamarcus russell pick, he came down on them hard. THEN, he gloated like a know-it-all when the raiders actually picked him. then, X did the same after mcfadden, acting like he was a football guru. i wasn't around for DHB but i have seen him defending that pick.
X took the credit for those picks, he should be ostricized now
remember a couple years ago when he posted that zach miller sucked? and then when he was called on it, he claimed his sister or girlfriend got ahold of his account and posted it?
laughable
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owh i agree if x was a raider exec, i would have to change teams, lol....truthfully x wanted crabtree last year in december, he also wanted james laurinitis, he flip floppped.....he made the mistake by flip flopping because both guys have been more productive than bey, crab has only played 1 game, lol.
one thing is for sure, x has more guys against him in this bey argument than with him....bey wasn't productive in college so what he is doing now just isn't suprising....they may as well make invisible on the tv screen.....if he catches a pass while you have gone to the bathroom, when you get back you may not see him make any other plays at all.
very true my friend, x does gloats all the time, he will tell you that he doesn't, but we can read, he does.....i see him do it all da time, but i have been on this site since '05 (different username back then) and x has been here since '07 and one thing i can tell you is this, when x does get a chance to gloat, it's just at the "beginning" phase of his happy time...
by seasons end he has to shut da hell up because he is always wrong....i wanted russ too, but i am not on here taking up for him and making excuses because right now he is sorry as hell.
x just doesn't know when to quit making excuses for his players, ignore him, because he will continue to do it.....he babies his fav players....anyone guy who defends his guy who only has 4 catches in 7 games has an addiction to being right when he is wrong.
if you want to say al is to blame for not wanting an aggressive defense, be my guest, he doesn't want to change the defense, but al let's his coaches change the offense....last i checked, bey is on offense, bey is not a good player.
but if you listen to x, he is.
remember a couple years ago when he posted that zach miller sucked? and then when he was called on it, he claimed his sister or girlfriend got ahold of his account and posted it?
yeah i do remember that and he only did that because he was wrong on miller....like i sad, you have to ignore him, he will keep doing that......peace and god bless maun....you should be on here more often, we would ge along just fine, lol.
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... I dont see it.. I havent rubbed anything in anyone's face. I alway have supported the 53 players on this roster, with exception of a few due to offensive line preformance and some indivisual preformance. but at the end of the day I support the entire 53 man roster, I havent changed my tune for anything. Some players take more time to develop than others. Justin fargas for example has been here for about 8 years and only shown up these last 3 years. Robert gallery, been here for some time but just shown up a year or 2, Huff has been playing the best football of his career now. We dont have the million dollar line like alot of teams do. but we have the players. once we get the line things will be better.
once again crabtree's attitude kept him from being here.
christ. I understand that people are frustrated, due to the loosing. but you cant tell me that this offensive line has preformed at the same level it did since game 1. everyone here by know should know that if you dont have the offensive line. then you cant really do anything. Russell had better blocking the last 3 games of 08. than he has had since game 1.
I'm not making excuse's for anybody. I'm just giving it to you how it is. Dont point fingers when you have 3 pointing back at you. this is a team game. so if the offense is loosing the battle in the trenches then the team is loosing.
we have had injuries that have hurt us.
Hopefully this team can pull things back together after the bye.
peace all
X
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You're a Raider fan X, and you should know better. It wasn't Crabtree's attitude that didn't get him drafted by Davis, it was his perceived lack of speed, and nothing else. All throughout Raider history, Davis has shown that he cares little about a players attitude. For example: Jamarcus Russell, Darrell Russell, Scott Davis, Anthony Smith, Philip Buchanon, Sebastian Janikowski, Jerry Porter, Patrick Bates, Billy Joe Hobert, James Trapp, Chester McGlockton, Todd Marinovich, Nick Bell.....all these high draft picks had some serious "warts"/character issues/baggage on them when they came out of college, and Davis drafted them anyway, so don't say that Davis was scared away from Crabtree's attitude. Of the 10 fastest combine times ever clocked, Davis has drafted half of them. Face it, Davis is enamored with speed, even though history shows that his strategy is a huge failure. Crabtree got and took some bad advice from his handlers, there is no doubt, but no coach or player that he ever played with, has ever come out and questioned his desire, work ethic, or skills on the football field. Yes, he made a huge mistake for holding out and he's paying for that now in the public eye, but believe me, when he starts making plays across the bay, while DHB is still struggling, A.D. will again be looking like the idiot that he is. Davis has so much money invested in 3 players; Russell, Huff, McFadden, that he cannot supplement the roster with enough good players because those 3 take up so much cap room. This is truly evidenced by our lack of quality depth along the Offensive Line. When Madden had Davis' ear, he convinced Davis that the key to a team was establishing the run and stopping the run, so we always could dictate games. Now that no one has Davis' ear, he invests too much in DB's and WR's. This roster has not solid foundation or infrastructure. It's like putting an expensive set of tires and wheels on a Ford Pinto........at the end of the day, it's still a freaking Pinto no matter how much window dressing you put on it.
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russell had great attitude in college. mMost of those did also, and if it was not because of crabs attitude why in the hell you think he fell so far. he`s a diva and just for the fact he held out so long goes to show. all i`m saying is it`s just foolish to judge to rookies over one game. Let alone a whole season. I`ll make a deal with ya. When crabtree drops a game winning TD lets say you STFU ok ?
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Is that all you can come back with? A STFU comment. That's both sad and funny. Like most of all your posts, you don't come with facts or data, which truly shows your lack of football and Raider knowledge. You need to do a little more research on your Raiders. If you seriously do not believe that the aforementioned players didn't have "issues" coming out of college, then you are truly mistaken. You keep believing that Gallery and Schilens will magically transform this team into a consistent winner once they return after the bye week. Can you not see that this is the likely the most dysfunctional tean in all of professional sports and will continue to be so as long as A.D. continues to believe that his recipe from the 30-40 years ago, is still relevant in this day and age. Put away your fan hat for a moment and take a good look at the Raider business model. What other perennial playoff caliber NFL team employs the same model? There isn't. I want the Raiders to win, but I'm a realist, not a dreamer.
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We were disfunctional back in the `70`s dude. Stabler was hung over all the time just to start things out. The only dif. is that those guys were much more experianced. This offense is far to young to expect anything more. Remember when jerry Porter played lights out when were tops in the league from 1999 - 2002 ? Well he soon started to blow real [bleep] when our team became sorry. Any Wr will look good on a veteran NFL contender. those Wr`s look like high school kids when they play together. All those players our young. And no person ever said that those 2 players will do like magic and turn things around. On second note look what happened to the titans by starting vince young. Now looks as if they our going correct all of a sudden. and like I explained before about Gallery and Shillins. It`s more like having 5 players back when those 2 stay healthy. Morriss can go back to center and Setele can go back to the bench where he belongs. There is like having 3 players back right there. Were hurting for cornell green also. And if Shillens is as productive as he was when he was healthy then that will open up much better opportunities for other Wr`s, let alone our run game will much more improve. This will not get us to the playoffs, but it will improve us. We can then adress more depth for the o-line next season. O-line seems to be our biggest weakness right now. I do not think Peyton Manning could fair well behind that o-line that played sunday.
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Look, the 70's and 80's were great times for us Raider fans, but those days are long gone and the Raider business model from those times simply don't work anymore. I ask you, since our last Super Bowl victory in '83-84, we've only been to the show once and that was only when A.D. let a coach bring a "newer/fresher" offensive scheme. Since A.D. jettisoned Gruden's west coast offense, and instilled his much beloved "vertical" offense with Shell and Turner, and Cable what has happened? Yes, the worst record in all of professional football. You bring up injuries....yes, we have suffered injuries on the O-Line, but we can say that about the majority of the NFL. The difference between us and the upper echelon teams is that A.D. doesn't plan well for such inevitable scenarios. He invest so much of his cap money on the "flash" positions, that he has not $$'s available to invest in quality linemen in both the starters and in the back-up's. If we were playing in an uncapped NFL, like we did back in our hey-day, then it wasn't a problem, but we're not, and his strategy of stockpiling 4.3 40-yard dash players has left arguably the most important positions on a roster (linemen) with a bare cupboard. Plus, even when A.D. decides to "invest" in linemen, he simply cannot pick great players. To illustrate, let's look at the highly drafted linemen that he's drafted over the last decade or so......1998 1st rd Mo Collins (average at best), 1999 1st rd Matt Stinchcomb (bust), 2002 2nd Langston Walker (marginal starter at best), 2004 1st rd Robert Gallery (bust at OT, good at G) 2004 2nd rd Jake Grove (average starter).......look Gallery is a good Guard, but when you draft a guy #2 overall in the entire draft, you expect that guy to be a perennial Pro Bowler at the Left Tackle position.....rarely is a Guard drafted in the first round, and never in the Top-5, of Round #1. Dig deeper. Look for the root cause to our roster issues. Ask yourself why our roster is exposed when we suffer a couple of injuries. A.D. spends, but spends the cap $$'s unwisely, in the wrong areas and in the wrong players.
Now, let 's look at the WR position. Again, ask yourself why we are starting (2) rookie WR's? Are they better than Higgins and Walker? If they are, then what does that say about spending a 2nd rd pick on Higgins and his decision to spend millions on signing Walker, who EVERYONE knew was a head-case, with a damaged knee. Again, picking the wrong guys and overspending. No one doubts A.D.'s will to win, we just doubt his capacity to make the good personnel decisions. Who puts together a roster that leans on two rookies WR's? Sure Schilens is injured, but Schilens was a 7th rd draft pick from San Diego St that was oft-injured in college, and never completed a full season, so putting much major stock in him was irresponsbile on A.D.'s part. Again, it would have been nice to have invested in some veteran help at the WR position, but because so much of the cap money is invested in other areas (because we always draft in the Top-10), we simply do not have the funds to invest in quality back-up's. Was it a good decsion on A.D.'s part to let GRove go and replace with Satele? Was it done for $$. Again, A.D. spends unwisely, in the wrong players and at the wrong positions.
Lastly, let's look at your boy Jamarcus. He was a project coming out of college. Even his head coach at LSU said as much, as did all the other people around the NFL. When you have the #1 overall pick in the NFL, you just CANNOT afford to miss on that selection, because of laudy expectations and the amount of guaranteed $$'s that goes to that player. That player has to produce at a high level, early-on in his career. The fact that we're having to beg the guy to show up to the practive facility and to fine him to watch his caloric intake, 3 years into the league, speaks volumes about his commitment to his team and the game. Did you see his behavior at the NFL Combine? He didn't work out at the combine because he was in horrible shape! How could you show up in lousy condition on the most important series of day's in your entire young life? What does that say about his maturity and commitment? What about his college resume leads you to believe that he has "it"? Like A.D., were you mesmorized by his one game againt Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl? Wow, one game, versus a vastly overatted Notre Dame team. Like I said before, let's dig deeper. How did Jamarcus perform during his career when going up against the top teams in the SEC during his 3 years as LSU's starter........From 2004-2006, he started 12 games versus the likes of Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and Tennessee....how did her perform.? His W-L record was 6 -6, where he completed 57% of his passes, with 10 TD passes and 10 INT's. 7 of those games he passed for under 200 yards and 5 he passed for 200+ yards., with a high game of 269 yards........do those numbers equate to the #1 overall pick in the draft? I say, "no". He is in his 3rd year of the NFL, so are you seeing marked improvement in his decision making, pocket presence, accuracy? I say, "no". Again, when you draft someone #1 overall, we fully expect to see much more than what we're seeing.
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Dude, you gotta stop picking on stuckonlosing...lol Just kidding. You're like ESPN'g him...lol Good posts as usual.
"Playoffs?! Don't talk about playoffs! Are you kidding me? Playoffs?! I'm just hoping we can win a game, another game!"
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I dont have a problem with anybody.....I only have problems with football players who are getting paid millions and millions of dollars for doing nothing.......out of all the receivers Heyward Bey is not even terrible...actually there´s no word to describe how bad he is....
So far Maclin,Harvin,Nicks,and even Britt for the winless Titans are doing something for their teams.
Our number one draft pics are the reason why this league needs a salary cap.
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I am not even close to giving up on DHB, he has a crappy QB/Scheme and is a Rookie. But the Comparisons to Maclin,Harvin,Nicks is not fair because they have everything that DHB does not have.
But Hindsight is a b!tch and looking at how bad our Speciel teams are, we would be in a much better postion with Harvin or Maclin.
I am sorry, but Crabby would still be holding out right now if we drafted him. We would be ricluded for not getting him signed. And Further more I do not believe that he would be used correctly here anyways.
The reason that Murphy is even having the slighest sucess, which is fading after a good start, is because DHB is a decoy and Miller demands attention.
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your arguments are full of terrible logic.
1) "but Crabby would still be holding out right now if we drafted him"
ummm, with the fat contracts we give anybody, INCLUDING DHB, crabtree would have been the first person in camp!
2) "the reason that Murphy is even having the slighest sucess, which is fading after a good start, is because DHB is a decoy and Miller demands attention"
yeah DHB is a decoy....as a football player! DHB will have better success with his uniform by just keeping it on for halloween.....just don't ask him to hold the candy.
but really, defenses key on murphy because he is good! they don't scheme on DHB. you seem to imply it's the other way around, but maybe you are just backward
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Maclin looked to be the best pick at WR prior to the draft, although most would agree O-line would have been preferred. The argument against Crabby, beyond not working out, was two-fold:
1. He was the same type of player as Chaz...Wouldn't we love to have a back-up Chaz now? But, too many holes to fill to spend a 1st round pick on a back-up, or so the argument went back then...DHB was and still is considered the future compliment to Chaz. Crabby or Chaz would have put the other on the bench (See Murphy). I don't agree with this, based on Arizona's success with 2 similar players at WR but, that was the thinking...
2. His attitude turned him from possibly the number 1 pick, to number 12. Cleavland loved him until they interviewed him & then took him off their board all together. I don't care if he turns into Jerry Rice across the Bay, could you imagine his attitude in Oakland? With JRus? With this team? With Al giving him kudos?
Bottom line, as Gasbag pointed out a few days ago, WR's take longer to develop than QB's, assuming your QB is not JR...Very few step right in. Albeit, DHB doesn't even seem to show promise as a receiver at this point...But, it's way too early to tell for certain...
PS. The reason Murphy is having even modest success (statistics in college half that of Bey), is because he has the burning desire to succeed and that fire overcomes alot, especially as it relates to work ethic...
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Right on man, it's about the product on the field, not our fellow Raider fans...Well said...
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Well first off let me say this. Not Addressing the Offensive Line again, really set this team back. The main problem with this team including Russell is the fact that he isn't getting anything close to the blocking he got last year, epecially in those last three games. As I said before the first game. This team is loaded with injuries at key positions, even players that showed tons of potential and became pre-season fan favorites like nick miller and rankin never did get to see the field and I really wanted to see nick miller get some work. When you have a weak offensive line people get hurt faster. then bad things happen, fargas getting a safety at the Texans game. When I seen that, and the fact that it takes 2 RB's to get injured in order for 1 back to get 20 carries something is wrong with the line. Also when a quarterback has the same amount of rush attempts as 2 running backs then something is wrong with the line.
On the record. I always liked and supported Zach miller. Also supported and had a big post not as big as Bey's about Louis Murphy. The Line is hurting, and everyone here knows if you cant win the fight in the trenches you cant win the game.
I told future as well as others that from C- right tackle we have issues. Now that gallery is gone, I see defenders coming in on a jail break.
Crabtree did not want to participate with the Raiders, his attitude kept him from being here. As with other teams. No one ever doubted his ability to catch the ball. The big questions where about his injury, and durability with that injury, and does he have enough to get open,and his blocking. Crabtree's Agents and attitude didnt help him either.
DHB passed all test, our problem is that when he has had some opportunities he has failed and in some games dissapeared to some but showed up in other Area's. So far in games he show's up in the running game. One of the best rookie blocking receivers I've seen here in a while as murphy got better as well.
The problem with both bey and murphy's drops comes back to the source of the offensive line who is allowing pressure to Russell that cause's wild throws. Its already tough with Rookie receivers who are already going to give you a certain amount of drops and bad routes. Its even worse when the play calling has been a issue as well.
As I have told people before. I hope you dont feel like Im saying im smarter than anyone. Down the line with a healthy line our team would provide better. This teams passing offense has been dismal without chaz.
This team is full of key players. yet nothing on the Offensive line all the way across hopefully this gets fixed asap.
My advice to The Raider Empire, is try the fresh kool-aid after the bye week. hopefully players get healthy, and we can right the ship.
God bless
Take care all
X
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I can't say I agree with your whole post but, your optimism is always fun to read...
The neglect of the O-line may be the writing on the wall for Cable...AD may be reluctant to stock up on zone blocking OL when we may be going back to the giants getting off the bus style OL...
Too many players performing poorly on O to blame it all on one position...What bothers me most is this team keeps quitting, partially because of the lack of accountability on O...I am happy JR showed up early for work for the first time in 3 years...
I will be interested to see what happens when we get healthy but, I'm still going to check the label on the kool-aid to see if it's from Guyana....
God Bless
P
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X I SEE YOUR BACK TO MAKING EXCUSES FOR YOUR FAV PLAYERS, NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU IN TERMS OF BEY DAWG....THAT GUY IS HORRIBLE, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO MAKE HIM BETTER THAN WHAT YOU WANT HIM TO BE.
HE HAS LESS CATCHES THAN GAMES PLAYED AND HE STARTED EVERY ONE OF THEM....CRAB IS BETTER THAN HIM BY FAR.
You have no ammunition to back up bey maun.....none....no matter how you try to spin it, i bet you any kind of money you thought he would have moe than 4 catches by da 7th games of the season.
that kat is sorry and he may not even make 25 catches this season.....hell at this rate if he catches less than higgins this year (higgins had 22 catches last season) then bey needs to give his money back to al davis for making him look bad.
who cares if he can block?.....his main job is to catch balls dawg....he gets paid to do that....the way you speak it's like a running back who can only block but can't run at all.
that kat is an embarassment to anyone who is a raider fan.
his stats are as useless as i am in the nfl.
basically nonexistent.
waste of time and a waste of space and he should not have been drafted in da 1st round.
he should have been drafted in da 7th because right now, that is all he is given us....not to mention he is rather arrogant for a kat who is nonproductive....you have lost a lot of cred on this site for reppin' this guy that hard x...seriously....peace
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Season is not even half over yet . Harvin played well, better on kick returns, plus he gets injured. It`s allways a gamble starting your no.1 pick as a rookie. Anyway This is why I think that whatever any player makes should not be told to the media or public. It`s really none of anyone`s business how much they make.
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