Posted on Saturday, 7/11/2009 - 10:29 a.m. PDT — by PRame
Its P-Rame
I think I came back a little too soon because I was hoping to see some interesting topics of discussion to jump into but so far all I see is crazy predictions, overhyping and slamming of guys on the team for no reason so I decided to give a dose of reality to some of you who have clearly lost any sense of what this football season is going to be like for Oakland Raiders.
#1 - Jamarcus Russell will be the starting quarterback in the beginning of the season and throughout the season. The only way Garcia plays is for two reasons, one of which I dont see happening. The first is Russell goes out there and completely stinks up the joint. (Dont see that happening) 2nd, he gets hurt. Thats it! Those of you who think that Garcia is going to beat out Russell in camp are out of your minds. He is not gettin paid 30 mil guaranteed to ride pine right now. In the future maybe but opening kickoff, he is the starter.
#2- Stop overhyping players. Russell, Murphy, McQuistan, Haywood-Bey, all I have seen is people on this board acting like these guys are the next best thing since sliced bread. These 4 guys in particular are yet to prove they are worth a salary or a roster spot never mind a fantasy team spot (XPLOSIVE) LOL. Overhyping players can lead to 1-10 fantasy records and predictions of playoffs looking like a joke. (again Xplosive) LOL. Save the hype for players who have earned their salaries and earned a roster spot like Nhamdi Asomugha.
#3- Stop hating of players for no reason at all. Ive noticed that some of you guys seem to take all of your cue's from the media because with most players especially Jamarcus, if the media says hes doing well in camps and working hard then you guys give him credit but if one guy in the media starts bashing him for missing 1 day of a VOLUNTARY camp then its the same guys, "I told you the bling bling fat [bleep] is lazy." I see comments by people like Gasbag saying "I hope he and the receivers do more than play Madden" and it just sounds like hatorade cuz no matter what the guy does, he cant do right by the guys who dont like him. These players are Raiders so just wait until they fail on the field on Sundays before you bash them please. Ucrytoomuch doesnt seem to have anything positive to say. Seems he's a Bronco fan LOL.
#4 Quit with the wild predictions. When I first came to this site I was one of those guys that thought we were going 12-4 every year and I soon came to realize that 12-4 every year became the other way around every year 4-12. From that point on, I went into seasons realistically hoping for improvement from year to year. There were years we got worse like when we hired Shell so they let me down but last year was an improvement so lets hope the stable coaching situation helps us progress rather than digress. Stop putting us in the playoffs or Super Bowl just because our division is weak. If they make it then you'll be pleasantly surprised rather than disappointed if they dont.
Thats all I got to say until training camp starts and for any of you that dont like what I just said then thats too damn bad. I have no issues with anybody. X is my boy and Gasbag Ive battled with over Russell before but I have nothing against him and Ucrytoomuch seems to be the next guy in the lines of the many we have had on this site who love to start the sh#tstorm with people on here but Im not gonna hate on him either cuz I aint tryin to waste my time going back and forth over nonsense like I used to. I personally need to get some hats together for the Raiders training camp along with the other 30 teams (Cowboys excluded) so hopefully when training camp comes around, there'll be better posts.
I'm out and shoutout to my boy da Future. Sac, Navi, Stew and Valley yall are going down this year in fantasy LOL.
P-Rame
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Long time no see my man. I understand your frustration with the board as of late. This ridiculous format change caused many to leave for other sites but I'm hoping that once the season starts they will return. The result of course, is as you've pointed out, too many weak conversations and not enough actual talk.
As for your points of reality, I can't say that you're too far off. But at the same time I can't say that the other sides point of view isn't necessarily improbable for this time of year.
Point #1: Barring injury, there is no way that Garcia is starter week 1 or even week 5. After that though I wouldn't necessarily rule it out. Russell started to look better in the last 6 games of last season but that doesn't mean it is going to continue through the first game this year necessarily. It's very possible he can come out and play horribly. I've never been much of a fan of his, but I really do hope he works out. With Garcia on the bench behind him it isn't a big deal to sit the guy and let him learn if Garcia helps Davis win now.
#2: I don't see the over-hype of McQuistan. Obviously the Raiders website has done so, but we all know that was going to happen. Hell, they hyped up Alvis Whitted at one point. But to say that he's a contributor and helps improve the line isn't too off base. Whether that's an indictment on the quality of our line or not is yet to be seen. But he showed enough promise before injury to suspect that he could help us out. And he's young.
#3 and 4 I pretty much agree with you on. Why make bold predictions that will be wrong 99% of the time just so that you can say when it finally happens that you were in that 1%? Go to Vegas....they love people like that lol.
Hopefully this site picks up once camp starts. I think it will. Can't wait til FF. Let the dominance over your team continue! Got my T-shirts ready!
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yeah maun the wea conversations on this site has had all the old vets leave and we are still here for whatever reason, lol....you, me, rame and a couple of others were here in '05 so we really are the orginal members....i could make 1 damn post and come back the next day and have over 20 responses, lol....even our battles with guests were fun and the sworn enemy was raiderken....
under our leadership this site was fun, but we are the old vets and don't have the power we used to have...under new leadership this site was defninately boring....that's a fact, not an opinion....i used to couldn't wait to get to work in da morning and fight with people on here, lol...now i don't really check the site first, i go to other sites, then to contra...i used to come to this site first.
and it doesn't help this team "never" wins around here...that alone makes it boring as hell...peace
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As is typically the case, there's not really one reason to blame the sorry current state of this message board. Last year when they switched this stupid format up it really drove most people away. It's no secret that people are resistant to change, but the old format was so much better and easier to use. I remember signing in and going straight to the filter that brought up just the messages that people had replied to me on. Now of course you have to remember which threads you've been talking in and that makes it a bit more difficult. I think reason two however is just the time of year it is. As a 4 year vet you know as well as I that things only heat up in the off-season if we're signing FA's and it typically dies down just before TC.
Of course you're also not too far off by saying that it doesn't help that we're not winning either. Everyone loves a winner. I remember in 2002 when all of the sudden there were Raider fans everywhere you looked. Driving down the freeway, going to the mall or wherever you went you would see bumper stickers or even window stickers that covered the back windows of cars and trucks. Raiders jersey's, jackets and paraphenelia of all kinds was everywhere. It really was beautiful even if they were fairweather fans. Today it's a bit muted, though the jersey's are still a bit prevelent only because in my area it's a gang related thing. I get tired of trying to talk to students wearing a Raiders jersey only to find out they don't know who the player is or what their talking about. They've even said "I just like the jersey" or "I like the number".
At any rate, hopefully it comes around the more the season starts. Speedkills hasn't been seen for a while but I think his analysis will be back along with Rame on a more consistent basis, Navi and Stew come September.
On a side note, I read about what you said about your father to Rame. I'm terribly sorry to hear that your father is having such a difficult time right now. I'll keep him in my prayers.
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mmkay, in '05 not many showed up in the offseason, but in '06 it was always peoople on here, mainly because of arguments we all continously had...think about it, i was the first to hit 10,000 posts...remember that?....lol...ahh, the good ol' days....but oakland doesn't win, this is gonna be our fifth season knowing each other and for crying out loud this team hasn't had a winning season yet...it's really hard to keep faith, lol.
wel i never seen a lot of raider fans in houston, they mstly wanted tampa to win...i don't call them fairweather fans...hell oakland never wins and they don't take the right steps to win...take away the 3 winning seasons and you have over 10 losing seasons, lol....those losing seasons stands out more than the winning seasons because it's more of them....if you have a fan on crack and not wanting to get help, eventually you are gonna leave him alone because you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves....oakland doesn't do things to get better...al just seems to try to please himself...
people who love football can get really stressed when their team loses, i went to the hospital more times than at any point in my life because of my stress levels because of all this losing...firing and getting into it with coaches and all kinds of shiot...laughing on the sidelines too...
so if a fan wants to like someone else, i say go right ahead...i won't judge them for that...it's their money and they can spend it where they want too....we are in a recession maun.....oakland doens't give you your moneys worth....they really don't....
i'm not going anywhere, but i'd be lying if i told you i haven't thought about it....this years draft almost drove me over the edge....hell i am hearing they alreayd got rid of one draftee in sulak....and i know that 6th rounders don't usually make squads, but this is oakland...we are not a good team....they need all the help we can get.
i tlak to stew and rame on the phone so them not being here ain't a biggie to me....i already know how they feel about the team and stew's opinion ain't positive at all...he doesn't really like anyone on offense, lol...mcfadden, but that is about it...
can't say that i blame him...
thanks for the prayers...my father may not make it to august, but i hope he does tho...it's very stressful and wheni leave work, i haven't been the same mentally...physically as well....my workouts the lats 8 days have been terrible...peace
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I do take offense to those who jump ship when things are bad. I understand that everyone loves a winner, but to me it's a sign of weak character when you leave when things are tough. We are in a recession, spend your money how you want to because it's not my business. But I'm talking in particularly about those people who shy away from announcing their team and giving support when it's rough for "fear" of being made fun of but then proclaim themselves to be a fan for life when they start to win again. Not a big deal to like someone else, I tend to cheer for Philidelphia and certain players on other teams too. That's different. Big deal, people make fun of you for liking a specific team. That's like me making fun of someone for liking strawberry ice cream. Why do you like it? I dunno, but you do for better or worse. It takes a stronger person to stand up and say yes, I like strawberry ice cream in a room full of chocolate lovers than for that same person to say "Oh, wait, I like chocolate too!".
Anyway, hopefully this crap is behind us. The losign seasons and the like. I don't expect Oakland to make a dramatic jump up in the standings but as I've said before to SirP and a few others. I don't mind if we lose, as long as we're playing good football and losing. It's still annoying and pisses me off but I can understand it. We haven't played good football consistently for a very long time.
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Good points RAME, FUTURE, Valley.
We may not be a solid team yet, but be do have a solid base to start from for sure. The players will either build off of the final 2 games last season or they crumble.
I have to reserve most comments for the 2nd month of the season. We have seen good and great pre-seasons in the last 6 years and most those seasons started 2-2 leaving us with some optimism, but we haven't seemed to be able to build on anything.
I'm stoked Cable is the man, he has the right attitude to be a Raider head coach in that he doesn't shy away from Al....that alone boosts my optimism for the upcoming season
Nice to see you guys back on here, even if its just this post worth reading.
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Good point about the pre seasons from the last two years. I think if anything it gives us reasons to be cautiously optimistic regarding what we see. If anything can be learned it is to be looking for solid fundamentals, discipline and overall team philosophy and see if it can be applied and translated into a winning format.
Far too often we get caught up with statistics. Regardless of who rushes for what against which string, we need to look and see if this format will work in the regular season when things change and really matter.
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yeah well everyone is different, but it doesn't bother me....i can't control what others think and with all this losing i don't take football as seriously as i used to...if someone wants to jump ship, thats them...not me....it america maun, they have that right, lol.
hey uhh, did you say for better or for worse?...lol....bro this aint marriage....it's just football....i dunno, certain things on this earth just doesn't bother me and that one doesn't...
i still think we had a lot of promise in '04 with norv when we had jordan, famous amos, porter, gabe and curry....teyo as well...they showed some promise with colllins that year and we were one of the highest scoring teams in the second half of that season....our offense has tanked ever since....
but i haven't had a reason to smile at oakland in 6 years tho....they don't take winning seriously, they are only out there to do the best they can, they are not out there to dominate, this is why they lose....i lost a large amount of respect when i saw them laughing while losing...i almost stopped liking them for that....a part of me still hasn't gained respect for them back and it may never happen with certain players on that team......peace
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Anyone who wants to jump ship and go someplace else has every right to do so. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's those who abandon a sinking ship and then want to return as soon as it's righted that piss me off. I have a friend who was a die hard 49er fan in the 80's and 90's while we were growing up then suddenly morphed into a Cowboy's fan in the late 90's and then was right by my side during Oakland's Super Bowl run in 02. The funny part is that he would condemn his old team every time he'd switch and try to pretend he's always been a fan of his current team. They start to lose, he switches. He's currently a Steelers fan. Go figure
Everyone likes a winner, so like whomever you choose. But dedication is dedication, and for some of us we are married to our team. I'm a Raider fan when we win and I'm a Raider fan when we lose. I don't have to like it when we lose but I'm here nonetheless. For better or worse. I'm not going to give up my family or my job over them but as far as other teams go they are my numero uno. Everybody else takes a 2nd place and I would NEVER cheer on a rival even if they were the AFC representation for the Super Bowl. When the Colts were in the SB that was my pick for the game, but the Patriots or Steelers? Not happening.
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Raider till I die. I'll never abandon my team no hell or high water.
Know what some of you mean about fair weather fans. They'll be back aboard when we start winning again, but those of us who stayed, endured will know in our hearts we were there when the chips were down...
I've taken **** for my loyalty and care not. Raiders will prevail...
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maun i know people who switch teams every year, it's how they are...owh well....they can do what they want, it's nothing to really get into a long conversation about...it's flip flopping tho, something i don't like, but i get more upset on fans who flip flop on players as opposed to teams, lol....but in da end, they can do what they want...i really don't care....there is nowhere in a rule book that says you must like who you started off with....people do have a right to change their minds.
one team i would never root for is our division rivals....especially denver....i will respect their players if they are good, but other than that, i hate those teams...peace
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Whats going on man? Hope everything is good. Yeah the site changes really f'ed things up but Im used to it now so I hope our good bloggers come back and bring this site to what it used to be. Like Future said, I used to come in everyday to work and go straight on the site and now Im like damn the site. Im not gonna get into trouble at work for these wack messages lol.
Dont get me wrong, I feel everyone is entitled to their opinion so if someone comes on here and says, I feel Russell sucks or I feel we have the capabilities of going 12-4 this year then I have no problem with that although I will disagree. Its those who come on here and say Russell sucks and Garcia is gonna beat him out in camp, or we are going to the playoffs and winning the division. Cmon now, what gives anyone ability to state that with any conviction after what we have seen out of Oakland the last 6 seasons LOL.
#1 I agree with you but all I have to say is remember everyone, Russell is a Davis guy and we all know how many players are under scholarship programs already because Davis is infactuated with them possibly for no good reason lol. If he sucks then yes he can be replaced but for 30 mil guaranteed, he is the starter on Day 1 period.
#2 Honestly creating a post about McQuistan is overhype to me. This guy has done ok but nothing great to even warrant this much discussion over. He falls under the long line of players that seems to be good only because they are on Oakland compared to other scrubs. If some of these guys were on other teams they would be cut before we can say training camp. Yeah compared to Erik Pears he's good but thats not saying much lol.
#3 Nothing to add there. Good point
Man I am salavating at the mouth with revenge for you beating me twice last season and beating Navi, Stew and your brother doesnt even feel the same just because I lost to you twice! I also was the only win on Xplosive's record so that made me feel bad too. LOL Those T-shirts of yours are gonna be worthless than Roger Federer's 15 majors t-shirt after he wins another one LOL. Take care man. I'm out
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Aye aye wayyyit.... lol who am I overhyping im just putting the truth out there, I vouch for henderson, JLH, and anyother Raider player.
1. cool, everyone knows Russell is truely this teams best chance for winning garcia stinkst.
2. I started off good in fastasy football lol Injuries got me out of the season and all the good picks where gone. lol I had a 5 wins lol bu injuries got my team wont happen this year. lol I Thank I beat you didnt I he first round lol..... too funny
3. lol
4. hey bro.. lol I do not over hype its exposing the Truth these guys are beast. including bey.. proof will be shown. I always like Nnamdi am going to say the raiders will have a winning season. lol Im going to go undefeated in fanstasy football this season lol... you should still be saying 12-4 dont let those pat fan co-workers rattle you down lol
take care bro
god bless
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well once again i have messages posted to you without a response, that's it...i'm thru with you...i'm tired of typing posts without a response.
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I responded to all your post man & emailed you...
let me know whats up.
take care
X
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I hope Khalil is better than Hariis was even though they both gave up around the same amount of sacks, I think the Jags were missing like 3-4 starters by like week 3.
The receiving corps should get better by default, I just hope we get the tackle slots up to par. Henderson is by far a huge inmprovement over Harris and I thinkwe'd've won a t least 2 more games last year if Cable hadn't insisted Harris start.
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i gotta check the whole posts on here, but yesterday you were not responding to what i said last week, that long post that i sent to ya...
in terms of the email, i never got an email from you at all...i know at one point you called out the wrong email so you may have sent it to the wrong one, but i did correct you...that was the email you never responded too...peace
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Hey I did respond to that email. and it went through I have emailed you 2 times in the last week, even asked how your life has been going.
um My bad I did respond to that post I thought lol.
Well Im going to give it another email try again. I will continue to email you and try to sort this out. I dont know why they havent reached you. I used the reply on one and added you and then sent another..
well Ill get back with yah later
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HELL IT'S BEEN SO LONG NOW I DO'nt even know what in the hell we were speaking about...
i have already given you my email so i am tired of the excuses...one more time tho, lol.
dcrayton@radio-one.com
that is the last tme i am giving it out....peace
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I emailed you 2 times lol maybe you overlooked it or already read it. anyhow will email you again tomorrow....
excuses lol... no comment
aye, stop acting like i dont respond to you.. lol
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people on here already know you can be very inconsistent with your responses....we are used to it...i just don't like ot be ignored because i am not used to it....i already know you are not gonna email me maun, so i am not worrying about that part....i do have a yahoo account, but i'd rather give you my job email....i have no choice but to check that one every morning.
dcrayton@radio-one.com
your boy sirpiggy (who i talk to on email like every damn day) can vouch and say that i have given you my email various times with no response at all.
this is like my 3rd time giving you this goddamn email...
anyhoo, i wanted to comment on something you are totally wrong on....this is what you said below...
not hype is the passion for the game and the supporting of the team. you dont want to go out every day and be like "well we are below average we cant win, everyone stinks". if you dont support with positive somethings wont succeed. its like if you wanted to be a doctor when you grow up, and everyone said you stink and no one ever brought you anything positive you be stuck doing something you didnt want to. but if you had the support, the backing and everything else you would complete what you want to do and love it and live life good.
here is where i disagree, listen with what i am doing right now for a living a lot of people said i would not be able to get this far in my career....lots of negativity dawg....well look at me now...been at this radio station since '97...about to be 13 years and i am the best at what i do....basically when i heard the negative words i said "f__k" you and kept going and achieved what i needed to achieve and made something of myself....
in other words maun you don't need to have people stand behind you in order to make something "for" yourself and "of" yourself....if you do, then i consider you a weak maun....children need to hear good words, not grown men dawg....ESPECIALLY grown men who make millions of dollars....it's their job to win....fans can do whatever they choose to do.....we PAY their salaries and if we (guys like me, rame, stew, mongoose and such) don't feel that we see improvement we are gonna say it....whenever you have blind faith dawg you wind up getting more disappointed in the end...screw that....i have been down that road entirely too much and after ''05, i said i am gonna say what i feel....i feel a lot better too....these football players ain't kids, they are grown....they have to accept whatever we bring....period....there isn't much good to say about a team who constantly fires coaches, inconsistent play, draft busts, and an owner who meddles and screws up the organization singlehandedly...more importantly we are 24-72 the last 6 seasons...that is bad maun.
i don't think bey will do much, he will just have to prove it...peace
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On behalf of my inconsistancy I apologize...
I emailed you again. it went through hopefully.
Yea Future thats what I was saying in that post, to prame, some people are self motivated some need support, some take the negitivety so they can use it to prove them right and prove the negitive person wrong. there are some though that need a bit of backing, not just yes man, but people that say man stop goofing off and do it because you know you can..
the media tells you the owner is screwing up the organization, yet its more than likely the people around him that he has to try to complete task and they fail. then By listening to someone that isnt ready for the real business side of the NFL in the offices. In solid programs owners pick all the time because they want to know why they are loosing even if they are winning epecially owners that are use to winning and come up on a loosing streak they are going to want to find the but of the problem. the Steelers owners do it, Kraft does it, we all know jerry does it, they are just following Al's Imprint.
the thing the ol Icon does you will see it later, he wasnt dumb enough to give porter a huge contract, he got rid of the problem. he steered away from pacman jones, he really is shifting in a very talented squad, and unlike most teams we are a winning franchise overall. so if this squad becomes a beast be proud of it. yes there is a improvement on this team. yet they have not shown it where it fully counts in producing a win, the season hasnt started yet there is a pretty positive glow around the raiders. BTW you seen the new team bird?
The only thing stopping the raiders are themself and we will rise over that hump this season
also as I hate to bring it up, ol Justin maybe taking a pay cut which im sure he will if not he may get released doubt it. but once again rumors are swirling about him and what the team should do. BTW the mavrick has kept him around where most other teams would have cut Huggy jr. but thats their fads. I respect fargas and what he's done....
God bless bro
Take care
Geaux Raiders
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there are some though that need a bit of backing, not just yes man, but people that say man stop goofing off and do it because you know you can..
yeah i got ya, all i'm saying is that if a guy or woman needs that (people to back them up) to make themselves a better person then in my opinion they are weak...you become something on your own whether if kats like you or not.
.the media tells you the owner is screwing up the organization, yet its more than likely the people around him that he has to try to complete task and they fail.
that actually makes a lot of sense....but you gota realize something, it's how the owner reacts to things that makes him look bad...you are gonna get nowhere in football by firing kats over and over...more importantly, "you" make the decisions on who you hire, so if that person goes in there and screw it up, then it makes "you" look bad....davis suposedly does great background checks on people he hires, so with them messing up, he apprently ain't doing to great a job.....he needs to retire....he is too old...not to mention him reading that letter to everyone is to me the most disappointing moment in raider history, brought about by davis himself.
In solid programs owners pick all the time because they want to know why they are loosing even if they are winning epecially owners that are use to winning and come up on a loosing streak they are going to want to find the but of the problem. the Steelers owners do it, Kraft does it, we all know jerry does it, they are just following Al's Imprint.
yeah jerry copies davis to the fullest, and since he is doing what davis does, you see the results right?....he loses alot....so basically what davis does is not a formula for success....you hurt the team when you keep getting different coaches because it takes time to learn a system...period...this is why oakland looks dumb out on the field....the wins you saw last season towards the end doesn't mean much to me because it was under a different offensive coordinator....oakland doesn't really start playing well til the end of the seaosn when they start to get it finally....but they gotta start all over with new coaches, cable isn't the o-coordinator, so he doesn't draw the plays up and teach it to them....he calls the plays, but he doesn't teach it to them...there is a difference.
now in terms of the steelers, maun that was one of the worst examples you ever used in all my years knowing you....the rooney's do not follow davis' methods...they don't, better yet, THEY DO NOT FOLLOW WHAT DAVIS DOES...THEY ARE THE EXACT OPPOSITES...THEY HIRE SOMEONE AND GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY!!!....and for that reason they way more rings than anyone else in the nfl and i admire them for that....can't hate a current winner....they don't lose much over there....but yeah i agree about jerry jones tho....but not the rooneys....at the end of the day they all have been creative, but winning is the only thing that matters in life because no one remembers losers, right now, the team with the most rings is the steelers....damn an opinion, it's a fact....not worth debating to be honest....the rooneys have been in the nfl equally as long as davis, if not longer.
owh yeah i never got that email, i'm starting ot think you are f__King me around....what email are you typing, because i have seen nothing.
the thing the ol Icon does you will see it later, he wasnt dumb enough to give porter a huge contract, he got rid of the problem.
well atually since you obviously don't know, davis did give him a contract in '05...it was pretty big and it was bigger than guys like mongoose expected during the time....it was a 27 mil contract, but porter opted out his last season....davis didnt get rid of him, he actually said he wanted porter to come back for the final season but porter left on his own....turned out to be the biggest mistake of his life, lol.
what davis should not have done was get hall in free agency last season, i told everyone that would turn out to be a mistake and it was....even you were a fan of the hall signing.
if you think this team is really talented, then you won't like the new madden ratings...that guy that you call a stud higgins, has a rating of only 69, lol....yeah if we win of course i'm gonna be proud, it's my fav team and has been since '86....which is why i'm hard on them....not to mention i know exactly why they are losing...al drafts athletes, not football players, that is why we lose....i have been on this site longer than you maun...since '05...i see optimism every single year and every single year it ends up in 5 games or less...so this is why i don't get all happy like you.
the most i will predict is 5 games but i can't go any further than that....they will have to prove it to themselves before they prove it to anyone else that they can overcome themselves and win.
it's funny you said that about fargas because i just read that fargas ain't going anywhere at all...they said (on this site by the way....on that blog) that he is a favorite of the players and his toughness can't be measured by anyone on that running back squad...they said your boy mcfad should get the bulk of the carries and fargas should be 2nd...if you don't believe me then click on the link at the end of this message....besides why should i listen to a guy like you and you kept chanting "trade fargas for extra picks"....and it never happened?....c'mon dawg....i wasnt born yesterday....i listen to no one because my predictions are 90 percent right anyway.
if you win the commitment to excellence award two years in a row, then you ain't going anywhere....mcfad should start this year, hell is supposed to...he makes too much money not to do so....even i want to see what he does....that way if he sucks he will get all the criticism and you will see how it feels for alll of his supporters to flip flop, lol....hey on a side note, do you spell "losing" like "loosing" on purpose?...because that ain't how ya spell it, lol....thanks for the response, you are winning my respect when you respond, lol.
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One back's job = SOFTEN UP THE DEFENSE = Fargas is perfect for this job! Before him Wheatley was perfect for this job.
Other back's job = BE THE OPPOSITE OF THE HARD CHARGING BACK = use your quickness, end arounds, short passes, be the threat to take it all the way and sometimes do just that, also ideally could be threat to also THROW the ball = McFadden is perfect for this job! Before him Garner was perfect for this job. before him it was Kaufmann.
Both guys also have to be able to pick up the BLITZ and be able to block/protect Russell in those situations.
Sorry but McFadden CAN NOT play Fargas' role, and should not! he'd get injured, quickly.
This is how Al Davis has always wanted his run game to be. a bruiser + someone quick/agile. of course the ultimate tandem in this style was Bo and Marcus. yeah Bo was so damn quick though, he could play either role.
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LOL its a support system not being weak. men sometime keep people around like close friends as a kind of support system and there is nothing wrong with that, and no its not weak.
True al davis has screwed up with the people he has surrounded himself with. now that is really getting sorted out.
The rooneys will get involved when that team is loosing. seen it before now when they have a coach that is running a winning program they will leave it alone like davis.
Man I am emailing you man you maybe just saying your not getting them on purpose lol. I sent you one today and yesterday, they are going through with no return. Im replying to the email you sent me so I know the email addy is good. you maybe over looking it.
well Jerry was putting up numbers when he got that extension and hell after playing with the brown and Rice you would figure he would have been more of a beast. yea based on what hall had done in atlanta making pro-bowls and being a star corner for that team. not only me but alot of people felt that would come on over here to oakland and it didnt.
you call it happy, I call it supportive, im a huge homer. yea Ive been a fan for years as well. its usually athletes that win games and step their play up to help a team thats why you get the MVP's and athletes of the year. al has selected some prime football players. yet has been known to take a couple of speed players. Yea I seen the madden ratings yes they are all ranked low yet are the fastest team on the game. I knew that was going to happen though they will not rank the raiders high until they win more games and then still there will be a low ranking for em anyhow, until they prove themselves fully. thats on the developers of that game. Im pretty sure when they update it the raiders rank online is better.
Yea I said the same thing to a friend of mine, I said " Fargas has a toughness and he has won that award 2 years in a row.. Rankin must really be showing a little something for articles to continue to say Fargas maybe cut or released. now the thing is this alot of media and fans want to see more Mcfadden & Bush. now the media will target the release of fargas as hoping the raiders do it..
The trade fargas thing was a idea brought up by the raiders, they at one point where wanting to trade him for draft picks, yet do to a smart person saying what if we get hit with injuries to our running back corps who can we bring in, so fargas was kept now they will probably talk about maybe a pay cut or so.
I didnt tell no body to listen to me. lol you keep bringing that up like im a preacher trying to build a cult lmao. I just try to bring the truth and facts & support my team. Futch lol sometimes in typing i miss a letter or 2, no one is perfect. RUN DMC can make magic un injured. praying we get that un injured season out of em.
I hope you get the emails, because now your the one not responding. ha. I hear you are going through a few things I hope it works out well, man I have been through alot a hell of alot myself.
Take care man
God bless
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I think you and I vary on what the TRUTH is about our Raider players because Ive seen you hyping up a lot of guys like Louis Murphy and Haywood Bey when these guys have not caught a pass yet in the league. I personally think both guys have the athleticism to be good but Bey needs to develop on his route-running and consistent hands and Murphy has the Florida wide receiver jinx on him. No one out of that system has really succeeded especially in a vertical offense like ours when they are coming from the spread offense. I wish them well but to guarantee their success, hell no! lol
1. I cannot say with conviction that Russell has proven he gives us the best chance to win over Garcia. I personally cant stand Garcia never did care for his game but one thing no one can deny is that he is a winner everywhere he goes and he's always been well above .500 as a QB. Russell cannot say anything close to that. That being said, if Russell loses his job at any point to Garcia, I will be extremely disappointed because I do think Russell has a lot of talent and much more talent than Garcia. Its his head I worry about.
2. In fantasy if winning your first game and losing the rest qualifies as starting off well then even though I make less than 40,000 a year, Im almost a millionaire LOL. It just sucks that I split with you and the only win you got all year was against me on week 1. To your defense, it didnt seem you were really paying attention to your squad because you did have talent.
3. Glad you agree LOL
4. X I love you dog but you are the King of Overhypin dudes. Do you realize that Russell and McFadden (the two dudes that you have really repped hard) have not even lived up to their hype yet never mind guys like Haywood-Bey, Murphy, and Henderson. I believe JLH is a good player and has proven himself but Henderson, Russell and McFadden have only shown flashes of great things so far mixed in with a lot of inconsistency. Also Pats fans (even though they are brutal) are not the reason I dont scream 12-4 no more. Norv Turner, Art Shell, Tom Walsh, Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter, poor offensive and defensive lines, safeties that cant tackle are the reasons why I dont scream 12-4 anymore. LOL.
I like our direction but Ill wait and see first. Im out.
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Just Keeping it Real.... Bey and Murphy are a hell of a upgrade over Alvis whitted and Doug Gabriel.... I know Florida WR usually dont pan out.. yet he maybe a solid contributer. As for Bey Beast No overhype because he is wildly Underestimated. Beast I wouldnt tell you he was no beast if i wasnt sure. Henderson is going to continue to be solid, I know talent.
McFadden and Russell where haulted by injuries and for russell poor coaching and poor offense and a media mess mixed with the Davis kiffin Firing. Kiffin being fired for cable is the best thing to happen for this team. I brought em together. Had they been healthy and with a more solid line more victories. and better coaching in which they have now. The dominance will show very soon. just wondering about the conditioning system.
1. please dont get me started on garcia who has since san fran has been a back up everywhere he went. he could never be a starter unless it was a Injury in place, garcia is just a more accurate josh mcclown. 39 and brittle would set back this whole franchise. well he should be focused because his uncle passed, and he had time to recover hopfully mentally from that, and he will start playing for his love and passion of football. I respect Russell because he is not a media hound. he is going to earn his respect on the field and im proud of that now that he has the coaching behind him there are nothing but good years to come.
2. lol I didnt manage my team or watch em I came in too see the record and I was winning and I left after I saw the end result lol wont have that problem again.
3. Its good to have ya back in which I knew you would be the closer the season got. stew as well. so the band's all here aye lol... lets have some fun..
4."King of over hype" not over hype, exposing the positive truth. You know its all love rame. yea well the old season are down the Drain this is a new team new look new players with a winning attitude. scream 12-4 one time its all good you maybe right.
take care god bless
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xplosive team...the oakland raiders was the one you didn't respond to...i am getting tired of you doing that because i don't like typing for my health....peace
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Muprhy may contribute and just about anyone is an upgrade over Alvis Whitted cmon man. Thats like sayin I rather have Herpes than AIDS LOL. As far as Bey being a beast, I aint going that far and probably wont ever go that far until he shows it. At this point he has never dominated anywhere not even Pop Warner so praising a guy who is yet to separate himself from the pack is not happening with me.
When you were talking about McFadden and Russell, you sure did use a lot of "IF's" in your argument. I always say "If a frog had wings he wouldnt hit his [bleep] everytime he jumped" LOL. Those two have no more excuses. This year if they hurt again they will be labeled injury prone and Russell will be close to being a labeled a bust even though I really like both guys Im talking about public perception. Do or Die this year for both.
1. I refuse to debate over Garcia really could never stand the noodle armed Flutie wannabe. I think he's trash and Future correctly pointed out how he sucked with Cleveland and Detroit which I forgot about. My point is Russell is starting on day one and will continue to barring injury or terrible play (which I dont see happening)
2. Until you prove your worth as a fantasy owner, I cant give you any credit on that because its your own fault that you did not pay attention and won only 1 game lol
3. You damn right I will be here when September starts coming around the corner but that is my busiest time at work so it wont be everyday. We will definitely have fun I think with all the potential battles by the "Bey" get it LOL I know that was corny but oh well.
4. What you call positive truth, I call blind optimism. You have no proof that any of this is possible and if you think Im going to predict 12-4 this season then I have a house I want to sell you in the middle of a Detroit slum lol. We'll be lucky to break even this year. Im out
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i haven't seen x in a few days, but i would be highly suprised if he responds to that, lol...he usually backs off after a couple of posts for god knows why?....i have typed a couple of good long posts to the guy and he left me hanging...it's like if the conversation gest to deep he fades to oblivion, lol...peace
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hey bro. Im going to say this if Murphy wasnt such a monster drew rosenhaus wouldnt sign him for [bleep]. lol @ alvis whitted. bey will show up for me as well.. I think he will become more part of the offense than a decoy. If he can develop well then we can have us a marcus colston type year around here Cant remember when the raiders had a rookie of the year. Russell set out, Mcfadden got injured, & well hopefully the 3rd times a charm.
Russell & Mcfadden definatly cannot be called bust yet. not until after their 3rd season, why because if Gallery can come back and redeem himself then these 2 definatly can they where monsters in college. with mcfadden Fully healthy, I wish him a great season, and Russell getting his leadership skill together and owning his Quarterbacking skills this year with special attention from hackett and other's I look for a more positive return than when he had no coaching here the first 2 and a half seasons, this will make a hell of a difference in our favor.
1. Garcia stinks.
2. lol.. Xplosive voted worse owner for not paying attention to his talented roster now this season they will be great.
3. Not corny alot I mean alot of Raider fans are up with the Bey area words lol. once your a raider you get alot of fans and if he go ahead and proves the haters wrong like I know he can then the BEY AREA will be bigger than it is now
4. " I dont care if the horse is blind, load the wagon" - John Madden. Its so cold in the D. lol hey we can win on a bail out if you move me up there lol, unlike the lions the raiders will roar this season. looking for something Amazing.
take care bro.
God bless
Geaux Raiders
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Wsup,
Murphy is a Florida guy and Rosenhaus is florida based plus Rosenhaus doesnt have the same clout he once had during the whole T.O. situation because he has mishandled some big contracts and some big time players have fired him since he was at his top so I dont think him signing with Rosenhaus will have any effect. Rosenhaus had at one point almost 100 NFL clients so not all of them are Pro Bowlers. In fact most were average to below average.
Bey doesnt have the size that Colston and if he did I think it would be easier to expect Bey to breakout but to me Im not expecting much from him and Im lookin to Miller, Schillens, Walker and Higgins before I look at Bey and I expect those 4 guys to step up their games this year especially Walker. He needs to pick his game up big time.
Russell is in his 3rd year so even though he didnt barely play his rookie year, if he dont play well this year, people will say that this guy has had 3 seasons of learning the game and still cant get it done and he will be close to bust status. Im pulling for him though cuz I like him. As far as McFadden goes, no he will not be labeled a bust if he gets hurt as often as he did last year he will be labeled as injury prone. He needs a full healthy season as a #4 pick.
1. Enough said and we wont waste anymore time on Garcia
2. Dont go overboard now cuz yes you had talent on your team but even if you paid attention you would still not be guaranteed success with some of the reaches you made lol. All Im saying is if you paid attention Im sure you would have won more than 1 game lol
3. I dont believe in giving players nicknames or doing anything to promote a player before they have done anything in the league so that is why I feel the Bey wordplay is corny lol
4. I do think we will be better than the Lions and probably 2nd best in our division but thats as far as I'll go. If they breakout this season and win 12 games Ill be shocked. Ill be the 1st one to be on here congratulating you for being right although I wonder if you really believe everything you say or do you just take pleasure in hyping up these guys and this team.
Im out PRame
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yeah but murphy is putting in more work than most WR i seen recently come out of the Florida, they even say that he will be ten times the player harvin will be due to his size speed strength ratio...
True Bey isnt as big a colston, yet he can put up some good numbers especially if he is grasping the offense and getting the reps with russell during camp. he probably will get alot of plays toward him in pre-season just to shake loose and warm up.. I know he is getting 1 on 1 attention while at the complex injuries kept him from attending russell camp.
russell had 1 season to learn the game that was last season. he spent 2 season here with no quarterback coach, and no real wide receivers in his first season yet he still put together something special in the games he did win. Now that he has had a whole season of coaching and overtime quarterback coaching and running a camp with some special guest and fellow wide receivers its going to be up to the offensive line and defensive line to contribute big in these wins. Russell should be great this season. Looking foward to that.
well know that kelly skipper is the Runningbacks coach I can look for more out of mcfadden, skipper is a hell of a motivator I think he can pull alot from Bush Mcfadden and Fargas Rankin is the wild option for us I think he may get a solid roster spot if not practice teams because the way the injuries went rankin can have a chance, Im kinda worried about our Strength and conditioning program its turning out too many injuries before the season even gets mid way.
1. ok
2. see the Fantasy post lol
3. Its not corny when its blowing up like vitiman water then Im going to smile big
4. not hype is the passion for the game and the supporting of the team. you dont want to go out every day and be like "well we are below average we cant win, everyone stinks". if you dont support with positive somethings wont succeed. its like if you wanted to be a doctor when you grow up, and everyone said you stink and no one ever brought you anything positive you be stuck doing something you didnt want to. but if you had the support, the backing and everything else you would complete what you want to do and love it and live life good.
Im just a supportive and postive person, I have went through the negitive and un supportive envoirment and cut that out to be surrounded by positive because when you belive you can do it and you have others beliving you can do it then you will get it done. never settling for less. if you dont belive you wont achieve
future... he got too much going on to try to keep up with this super smooth indivisual.. lol I emailed that guy about 4 times now and only 1 response. then he acts like i dont email em. love em but I think he is going to have to read the email before he deletes em..
you flossing a new ride this year or you still have the 300? take care bro
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Murphy 10 times the player of Harville? Cmon man that is what Im talking about when I say overhypin. Harville is going to a beast out of the slot and wildcat formations for Minnesota cuz everyone is going to focus on AP and when Brett Favre comes in, he loves to hit the short routes to the inside with his rifle arm so even if Murphy has a better year (which I highly doubt) 10 times better is just a ridiculous statement my dog! lol
Bey's injuries are already putting him well behind schedule to make any real impact his rookie season. You remember when Russell held out, he didnt barely play his rookie season and he had bums ahead of him. Bey has bums around him too in the wide receiving core and it is easier to contribute as a wideout then as a QB but the hammy already cost him minicamps and Russell's camp so now all he has is training camp and preseason which he may not be ready for either. I just dont see him becoming a star especially not this year.
Russell has had 2 seasons to learn how to pick up offenses the only problem is he had to learn two different offenses. When hes not playing he still should be learning so if he didnt its his own fault. Now he has had one season with the first team offense and 1 season with the same staff. No more excuses for him. This year its put up or shut up.
They said the same thing about Tom Rathman as you are saying about Kelly Skipper so Im just gonna nevamind that until I see some results because our running backs like Fargas have always produced and McFadden needs to as well. Strength and conditioning cant be a problem if its always the same guys like Grove, McFadden, Russell, Burgess all having multiple injuries while the rest are playing every week. Personal accountability and hard work might be more of the problem with those guys.
1. Is done
2. Ok
3. Blowin up like vitamin water? right now the only thing that has blown up concerning Haywood-Bey is all the negative Al Davis draft comments so he has some work to do to make you, Davis and Cable look like you have any sense of talent LOL
4. Dog, you aint the only one that has been surrounded wit negativity and this has nothing to do with being a positive person as apposed to a negative person. Future and I are both normally positive people and we have been through the grind to get to the top. We both appreciate what life has brought us through our hard work. He is goin through some bad stuff right now but he is handling better than most would cuz he is strong from bein a survivor. We have both lost friends to jail or murder and seen brothers just like us fail all around us.
We are just realisitic. Has nothing to do with being negative. I would love to sit here and tell you were are going to win 12 games and Russell is going to be league MVP and McFadden will breakout for 2000 yards and Bey will prove all the doubters wrong but then when they all disappoint me like they have been for 6 years now, whos going to look like a fool. The fact is the Raiders have brought negativity into my normally positive life. I love this team and I hate the fact that we suck year after year. Blood Pressure goes through the roof! Man I just paid 27 grand for the souped up 300 2 years ago, you think I replaced it already? LOL Im out
P-Rame
P.S. I give you credit though cuz you were the only one to correctly predict us picking Bey way ahead of anyone else and I think its because you are a delusional nut job when it comes to the Raiders so you understand how the delusional nut job Al Davis thinks more than anyone. Matter of fact, Ive never met you before so are you Al Davis himself? LOL If so I want to say F#$% you for destroying our once glorified team and crippling the Raider Nation LOL.
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lol that was a quote from the xperts bro. lol I figured that would strike one. lol the experts shaking head yea I know harvin is a xplosive player, same time I think murphy will be a quality receiver.
bey is working one on one with the receivers coach, watching film and going over the playbook at the facility also he keeps in uplinked to JaMarcus Russell they talk until Russell and the Rest of the receivers & team return here next week.
Russell held out was a gift and a curse, why 1 there wasnt a quarterback coach here to teach him anything, 2 kiffin was already a mess plus the line lol oh well. Russell will be better.
well its one thing when its 3 or for players but when its the majority of the starters and the whole receiving corps then you may wanna look at the strength and conditioning program a little deeper. I kinda agree with yah man.
3. lol what a blow to the face, even Jaws said Bey was a great player 2nd only to crabtree in the college ranks but would be better in the NFL. its about the projection you think they will make in the league which reallly cant be measured.
4. thats why we relate so because we all been through simular situations? well ok I with yah on that.
lol, yea the loosing hurts when your top lol. aye I was just asking big baller I knew you was proud of that 300.I never know you may have jump in the benz or something. lol I see you been really talking with future you use the word dog or dawg about the same amount he does lol, thats the good friend though. aye lol calm yah blood pressure down well hopefully we crank out some wins for ourselves you know Im going to keep my expectations on a positive for the team cant help it, I understand the realism yet Im a supporter like Nnamdi "every year Im going to say this is the year & pray we do it". Nnamdi Asomugha, now if he can say that I see no reason I cant.
Rollin big punch in the face wow dulusional nut job? if that means success money and being happy and doing things right then ill take it lol. No I am not al davis lol and there are alot of people you havent meet Im pretty sure you dont call them dulusional nut jobs. wha you wanna meet me too. well When I get some more trip money together me and the lady will come out or just me and we will spend time away torching those pat fans co workers you have lol Ive already have to pay a Futch a visit when I make it to Houston and hopefully me and him have a good time.
you and future let me tell you something about future I belives deep down inside him he is still mad at me about that fargas thing lmaoo. He has to let that go because I told em what was up with that. now him and i should be back on the good base.
BEY AREA!!
peace brother
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hey x i see what your problem is....you are listening to "jaws?"....i am hearing conflicting reports, i saw him say on tv that bey was not a good pick....anyhoo, i have come to the conclusion that you listen to the media too much....if anyone says anything negative about the raiders your like, "the media influences people to not like us"...."the media is wrong for saying that".....but on the flip side, if anyone says something good about any player on our squad, you wind up hyping the player up and the person who said it....lol.
it's like you praise an anylyst or journalist for saying something good, or you rip them for saying something bad....flip floopping basically....why do you do that?
you are influenced by the media too much.....and no i am not mad at you about fargas anymore....why would i be?....i beat you in that debate, you admitted this....fargas never got traded for extra picks....you didn't get that prediction right....i read that your boy rankin may be the odd maun out...either it's practice squad, or he is gonna get the boot...he isn't proven.....peace
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9KdIOzREV0
^ thats jaws talking in a interview after bey was selected. not hyping just telling the truth, we, I dont flip flop, Im a truth and loyal guy. Now you should know I dont flip flop, get out of here with that.
How is everything becoming a prediction whats up with that? thats something you and mick had going lol, Didnt say rankin would make the team.. Just said the team liked em, he may as well be back on the practice squad? it is what it is, everything I said about fargas is true. to the T. Im past that though as well, I never lost anything. it wasnt like we where toe to toe or anything..
speaking of toes' what up with you not emailing me back, stepping on my toes??? lol I see you have rubbed off on prame lmao, i think thats cool you guys got to kick it hopefully I can say the same for us as soon as possible.
everyone knows the media is crap, when its boring people will try and force feed you [bleep] negitive [bleep] mostly, non of the boy saves family or man gives lung to child.... almost worse than BET, they try to force feed music artist, lol crap.
Anyhow Ill take my knots as usual and keep standing as the champ.
singing I got you now where I want you - thats my old/ new song. you may like it
take care
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actually you do flip flop, you basically ignored what i said, listen to me because you don't pay attention too well i see....whenever someone shows bey some love, you are all over them praising them....let's say jaws for example....but if an analyst says anything wrong about bey (and there have been more who don't like bey than those that do) you go off the deep end saying shiot like "the media is just being manipulative on bey"...."the media is wrong for speaking about oakland like that".....or anything of that nature.....
we just talked about this like 3 weeks ago remember....so you do flip flop, you just want everyone to baby the raiders and it doesn't work like that and rame was right....jaws flip flops almost more than anyone does....he doesn't want to be wrong....the moment bey drops a pass jaws is gonna rip him and make it seem like he never liked him to begin with....unlike you i work in da media dawg so i know these kats like to flip flop.
hey mick and i never predicted anything maun....you got that twisted with someone else....he and i never liked each other....he killed mazarati, but we were just joking about that...technically i just retired the name maun....i wanted the future to praise andre cymone...for crying out loud i was the first ever to make 10,000 posts on this site as mazarati....there was nothing else left for me to do with that username...mick predicts but he is wrong 98 percent of the time, with false sources...i have better sources because of all the people in terms of sports celebs i know....i could send you pics dawg but you never emailed me....i even had a deep one on one conversation with da legendary jim brown....i bet you never done that before, lol.
Just said the team liked em, he may as well be back on the practice squad?
not true, i remember when you were on this fargas hatred rampage (before you finally said you admired him) and you kept saying it should be mcfad, bush and rankin....it's like you forget the things you say on purpose to try to win.
also you were never right on fargas....not once...you said mcfadden was the starter for the whole year and it wasn't true...stats don't show that...the only game fargas didn't get the workloads on when he was out with the torn groin....that was it....even when both fargas and mcfad were both healthy towards the later end of the season it was fargas getting all the carries....mcfad should start this year, which is what we all figured....he needed to learn, he did that...injury riddled season, but he still learned nontheless....he has a better line in front of him so mcfad should be the starter....just hope he doesn't get hurt because technically all 3 backs are frail as hell.
i mean c'mon dawg...TRADE FARGAS FOR EXTRA PICKS....that was you saying that and i told you it would not happen....it didn't....am i right or not?
when did you email me?...i don't see this, you have never emailed me...i find it odd that sirpiggy emails me damn near everyday and we talk on a personal level.....rame does too of course...stew just will call me when i am inside the studio in da morning...you have never emailed me.....what is my email adress?
rame and i are like brothers for real....that's my boy....i'd die for the guy if i was out there with him...yeah i went to visit him and stew last year for my vacations....slept at their houses and all....we had a blast we really did.
everyone knows the media is crap, when its boring people will try and force feed you bull[bleep] negitive bull[bleep] mostly, non of the boy saves family or man gives lung to child.... almost worse than BET, they try to force feed music artist, lol crap.
notice how you say "the media is crap?"....that is my point, but jaws works in da media and you wanna uplift him just because he says bey may be decent....that is what i am talking about when it comes to you....when he flip flops on bey when he drops passes, don't say i didn't warn ya....rame as well....also, i don't know how things work out there in cali, but in houston when i watch the news, i always see them have great and positive news stories.....there is positive and negative for a reason....they report both maun....you just refuse to see the good in da news at times...lol....your focus is the media and the media has nothing to do with oakland not stopping da run, lol.....
i remember i was the first to say that nam would be great and he turned out great.....i told everyone moss would not work out and no one believed me and he didn't....i said hall would not work out (when you thought he would) and he didn't.....i said fabian would not worout and he didn't.....maun i have been right so many time i have lost count...i have lost debates to everyone on here because i have debated so much but i do believe i have won more debates and predictions that anyone on here period..
sometimes i get da feeling i think that you think that you have a higher status than me on this site....you don't dude....i have been here longer....been thru a lot more on this site than you every could have imagined.....posted more than you too......i remember when there was a big racial war on this site in '05 and rame and i were da only black people on here fighitng all those idiots...you were nowhere to be found....you wee not here maun..... if you want reponsibility for this newer age site than you can have it, it's boring now, but the true kings and vets on this site are me, rame, mongoose, navi, birdwell, avalanche, joetoronto (i hated him tho) speedkills, raiderken, there are some others, but i cant remember....everyone else follows after us tho....i'm a firm believer that myself, rame and mongoose really made this site the popular site that it is today....actually i know it is, because newcomers would always say to us "i came to this site because it's always full with people when you guys speak on here".....
we don't have the power we used to, it's no secret, lol....but under your leadership this site has gotten boring and most members left....don't say it's because of the offseason because when we lead even in the offseason it was full....you of all people should know that because well, we were the leaders when you first got to this site (wink, wink)....peace.
owh yea dawg you know you ain't going awt to visit rame, lol....hell you haven't even came to visit me yet.....nor emailed me....if you are having probs with emailing my radio-one account then email me at mazarati79@yahoo.com
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now I just emailed that radio one email 10 times if you dont get those I know your pulling my leg because im using the reply that you sent me. either your playing or you have jokes lol.. X dont flip flop cut it out. Im going to drive to Auto zone north of Sunny side and get you some brakes. so you can stop bro. lol
yea thats what the number one topic about Fargas was to be traded for picks so he can start else where. by the way lol Fargas wasnt the starter nor mcfadden '' Running back commitee" - tom cable. mcfadden started the 1st 4 regular season game as I said he would and you threw a table across the room that monday night cause you where all on my case about lol some starbucks until you seen that you was like ok x ill give yah that lol... now as he got injured you saw mor of fargas yet it was a rotation
Naw I didnt say I was following jaws I just siad that what he said... lol come on cut it out.. stop turning around what i say. lol you dont remember I dislike his running style and I was Right about everything I said but I never spoke bad about his attitude. but as usual you see what you wanna see and you talk about me. I havent received another email from you in age's lol.. Why am I not your favorite lol.. you love competing with me now lol Maz use to be my right hand man... lol singin michael jackson. did i have you worried because im comming, back to where I always should have always stayed, and Its enough love for me to stay!! I miss you H-town lol..
I didnt up lift jaws I just said aye he finally said something positive about DHB, just like Gruden, and several others.
yea I can agree with the Nnamdi thing I said he would be good. just like I said Henderson would. but hey I could care less. you dont see me running around with I told you so post lol. dont need it. Yea I did think the Hall think would be different, yet hey true something just done pan I felt like he could have tranferred to safety the way he plays so far off. he hasnt been the same since he left atlanta. it was the fact that he was a pro-bowler that sold alot of people.
I remember your 10,000 post I congradulated you. been around a long time. you talking about leaders and all that i was just a year behind aye lol you just wanna seperate me aye why am i not your favorite? if im not your favorite I wanna know why? lol
lol your in so much competition with me yet I dont know where its comming from when I dont feel like im in competition with anything I guess cause we have a simular apporach then it feels a bit competitive lol oh well, Im with ya then. why do you feel like that? did I say that? come one man....
I was here when all those guys where here. Joe was cool with me. he was always nice to me we had some convos lol. avalance, me and speed and bird stay tight talked to bird yesterday. we are all on another site lol I just come back here to catch up with you stew, prame, Navi, Doug7dust,dougs homie I cant call his username at this time. gasbag has been on here a while, eastcoast, sac, piggy, mad, Nnamdi, dtbat, mrz Raider K my raider woman that got away lol and a cast of others who will pop in by the season. so a couple months seperate me from being a vet aye lol. I never seen that quote. I always seen Maz debate with a lot of people. was always cool with me. lol Riding on raider mick.. well you have to admit you and mick lol lmaooo, yall are like going back & forth all the time. you hated mick lol. As a Matter of fact when I came I brought a stack of people with me and when we went to this other site most spreaded out
the jackasses I remember where red& gold, Jacko johnson and several other dummys. that hated alot of players. I remember stew leading the post about Stu schwag lol and how much he needed to be cut. hell I even defended gallery kept pushing for a return. lol
so your making me king of the site while its slow aye. ok lmao. King X nice ring I can take that lmao. singin I just cant wait to be king, and now i am. thanks mufasssa lmao the crown is mine lmao.. My first decree is to stay 1000. lol
yes I will it wont be a Instant visit it will be when i can you just cant up and go all the time all willy nilly lol.... not like you use to when you have responsabilities
lol your very entertaining though.. lol I can recall my post with maz,
email me do it today, pop in a grey cassette Cd, bang some screw and slow down bro lol. got me all king and stuff I wasnt even prepared. I didnt even know I was in the runnings..
anyhow I hope your situation is getting better on a real level. I hope your people are feeling a bit better as well and that you have a great day. Im looking foward to Navi's outlook on the season its been a while since he made a long post. I know about your whole Andre cymone post and how you came about all of it. and how you and valley and I use to post in Very older *wink wink* stew well I had prames email. I'll get it from him again. I actually have a few partneers in NY so I can vist them and him and kill 2 birds with one flight.
I have met jim brown no long convo. also met stabler and a few more raiders, even attended Kauf's church 1 sunday after fishing. the one person I havent meet or have a hard time meeting is Megan good. lol but when i do i told my lady she is offically done. lmao. I passed by her one time in the airport in LAX but who do you not pass there. um hey email me man. I hope your have a great day, by the way is lil Keke and several other local act's still coaching the lil league teams in their repective hoods? lol Miss the games, in the park. also my homie john down there says they are adding on in alot of places. he promised me timmy chan's was still up. and several other things. he also told me there was a shooting at TSU? crazy didnt think they would shoot, its alot of women on that campus, lol any how.
email me something. now that I've emailed you 20 times, navi emails me everytime... oh and I see I still have prame's email
Take care
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Raiders | Could Fargas eventually be released?
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Jerry McDonald, of ANG Newspapers, reports if Oakland Raiders RB Michael Bush has a strong training camp and preseason, it is conceivable RB Justin Fargas could be asked to take a paycut befitting a reduced role or be released and attempt to be a starter elsewhere.
dont like that but that's the crap the media sends out..
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maun you make no sense whatsoever...first and foremost, just taking da first snap of the game doesn't make you the starter, mcfad took the first snap of the game the first game of the season, and kiff said that that was to get the crowd hyped up...fargas had over 15 carries that game and mcfad had like what, 7 carries?....i would have to go back and look....and if you wanna go back and say "the first snap if the starter"....fargas took the first snap every damn game of the season after that with the exception of his injury games....bush rarely throughout the season maun....he didn't even start the last game of the season...fargas did and got hurt, then mcfad came in and got hurt....then bush played...cable said he wasn't gonna play him at all unless one of the 2 got hurt.
how does anyone on this earth say a guy started and his carries nor production doesn't say so?....maun i don't understand you....running back by commitee, whatever, fargas got the load every game he was healthy....that is a fact, the stats (carries) show it....with the exception of the fargas injury games fargas averaged around 17 carries a game with a high of 24....the most mcfad got was 12 carries....c'mon maun, to say you don't see the obvious is the ultimate understatement.
dawg, if you are "in agreement" with what an analyst says, then you are following hm...no big deal, we do it all da time...but if anyone says "bey is a beast, even jaws thinks so"....then you are following him....you got the bey thinkg right, but in truth, you said in december we would get laurinitis, or crabtree...don't say you didn't say that because i have a link to the post where you said it....owh yeah my [bleep], i got proof.
you not liking fargas running style is your opinion and that's fine...but his style is what gets the crowd and his teammates amped up and he gets the commitment to excellence award for that...he plays hard win or lose....if you read that blog it said that fargas is gonna be hard to take in terms of bush taking his spot because he is a favorite of the organizations....here is the breakdowns of their styles.....in terms of fargas and mcfad.....mcfad is faster (they both ran 4.3 coming into the league.....mcfad is more creative, he is the better paydirt guy, he is the better catcher and can pass....technically he should be starting, i think he will this season...he is making all da money so he should start....fargas is the players favorite because he is a vet and has been there longer...he runs harder, tougher, fights and always falls forward....good acceleration too...stronger than mcfad too.....mcfad should start over him, but i hear they want to use fargas in between the 20's and use mcfad in redzone.
they are a good duo....they both are "high" runners and high runners get hurt a lot, so we need 3 backs for damn sure.
maz was never your right hand maun...bro i was here before you, right hand men don't come 2nd, they are first....rame, mongoose and i got here at the same time in '05....i would never call them my right hand men....you straight up disrepecting me now....had you said something bad about fargas when i was maz i would have called you out, i take up for my fav players.
maun please you walked around telling everyone you owned because of the fargas debate and you didn't even win it, lol.
owh yeah hall was a pro bowler in atl but he got beat all the time in atl, tha is why i was against the signing....so i was right about that one....i always call out shiot months before it happens....hall can't play safety because he isn't a strong enough tackler....i really dont have many favorites who came after '05, we kewl and all, but '05 was a good year for us being on the site, lol.
dawg, i don't go back and forth with mick, i haven't talked to him in over a year, some guys i don't want to talk to on here....we went back in forth in what?...'07?....for a brief stint, but that was it....i forgot about 49ersforever, he was stupid and had the worst posts i ever seen...jacko johnson i don't really know much of him....
i'm gallery dan so i don't have a problem with him...stew came in '06, but that is my boy and i know him personally so it's no biggie...only stew and rame seen me in person....i have talked to piggy on email all the time...and mongoose and sac i have spoken on the phone with in da past.
i know you are a big bun b. and pimp c fan...i knew both, but of course i know bun b. a lot better because he is still with us and he is here at the station all da time.
i don't really follow lil ke ke, but i tell you this, he was just here 3 weeks ago and was locked out the suite and i let him in, lol...he had his son with him.
yeah at a trae concert some kats got shot up....no one died tho....but there were some other shootings over there and they got killed, 2 people.
i'm 29 years old going on 30 later on in the year so i don't hang around young kats bro.
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Good Greif. How many times do I have to say Tom Cable said there was no clear cut starter it was a running back by committee, kiffin said the same thing. I know Fargas got the bulk of the carries. he should be producing something since he did nothing the first 3 seasons of his carreer. As you know he wouldnt have got that many Carries if Mcfadden wasnt Injured with the toe, and Bush Knee. now that they are healthy the general public will get to see what they longed for for so long.
I you take it that I blame it all on fargas. I dont, I know the line was dismal and I told you I respected fargas. Jerry porter was your boy and you defended him a bit not as much as you defend fargas and fargas took 4-5 years just to get the shine he is getting now, didnt he get here in 03 i think so.. I am right about his Running style, but Im away from that subject im past that its a new season. I gotta take a good look at this receiving corps. Running backs are good. its time to start the big look at the defensive picture. Pushing for Jon alston to have a breakout year at OLB hopfully the next suggs, or atleast to that caliber. that would be great for us.
what you mean By saying he was my right hand man you act like Im placing myself in front. lol. why so serious batman? damn Xplosive cant get no love with out you hogging more spotlight damn prime time... lol
yea you know you love crashing on raidermick. thats your punching bag. whenever you feel the need. clapping my hands. all my years here I seen you smash em on his worse day.
what I want to know is how the hell you email me one time and get mad at me. Now that I have emailed you 4 times and no response what that [bleep]!? huh... lol
I thought it wasnt a big debate.. did own yah.. but i took it back cause you got so hot that Houston tx called up and said a slab had melted when you walked past, lol we are past that owned crap, ready for camp plus I got bigger and better things to type up.
hey man Im a huge Bun B ( everyone should know or listen to some UGK thats a dose of reality) supporter I was visiting my cousins in Arkansas & ended up in VIP at a night club with him, a lil Flip, slim big stave thug, and several other houston act's then again I ran into him in Chicago, and few times in houston at the car show. you know who they are. I use to even ball at sunny side park with a few friends when I come down. Im suppose to be there in October for a wedding, and then Im suppose to be attending the Raider Cowboy Game, & after that game we maybe heading back down to missouri city. please belive you will know when Im in town.
yea lil keke still makes good music my friend say.
jay-z said 30 is the new 20. lol
well listen, Im going to wait for your outlook on the season here soon, asked for navi's and Prame's that should be good. I will email you again. Birdwell said hello. Havent heared anything from speed but did have a few friends on another site pass away, and die some of cancer and old age. old school raiderfans.
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fargas took da lead role last season because he came off a thousand yard season....my 2nd fav back on the team is bush, his role remains to be seen this season because we are not gonna sit there and use 3 backs all game i don't think....if so it's all good....
hey rame sent you a post and you didn't respond to it eh?....he sent it yesterday....
i defended porter because he wasn't a bad wr, i don't worry about his attitude, i mean it's oakland, there is a history of players with bad attitudes here....your boy moss being one of them....i'd take porter's stats any day because after watching our best wr get only 22 catches, that is horrible.....i can't stand higgins.
alston the next suggs eh?....we don't blitz enough for him to be like suggs....we rarely ever blitz.....davis doesn't allow it....yeah maun, i don't like the right hand maun thing, lol...last i recalled, i was the true media guy here, not you...the closest thing you will get to being a media mogul is by this site, i do it everyday, lol.
why do you keep saying talking about me and mick?...dude, leave it alone, i don't acknowledge that guy...he isn't my punching bag...i don't talk to him...i haven't spoken to him all year.
dawg you have not emailed me, i don't know what you are talking about....you said you clicked on the link, my advice to you is you need to go to your website site where you do your email, type my email in the "to" box and do it that way because i am not getting anything...i'm pretty much thru with the email til you do it that way because you are typing emails that i am obviously not getting....nothing is wrong with my yahoo email, nor my radio one email.
I thought it wasnt a big debate.. did own yah.. but i took it back cause you got so hot that Houston tx called up and said a slab had melted when you walked past, lol we are past that owned crap, ready for camp plus I got bigger and better things to type up.
you know rame told me that when he sees you respond to me with some of the things you say he just shakes his head....i agree with him totally...bro you don't own me and you really make yourself look like a [bleep] when you say that...some of your closest companinons on this site think you are a lil looney and i can see why....my god....you say you got bigger and better things to type up eh?....remember, you don't work for oakland...lol.
i don't listn to this new age rap, i can't stand the younger guys....they are not on my level in terms of what i want for lyrics....but i know a lot of rappers because they come to my job all the time of course....bun b. doesn't count, he is a legend.
jay z can say whatever he wants to to make himself look and seem young but the truth is 30 is not 20....20 ain't 10....40 and ain't 30....i'm 29, will be 30 in november, and i won't try to be something i am not.
give your buds my prayers for i am going through the same thing with my dad...he is not dead but he is in his last days.....
i'm thru.
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lol that was a quote from the xperts bro. lol I figured that would strike one. lol the experts shaking head yea You show me one damn expert that ever said that crap and I will show you a guy who will be unemployed by next season. 10 times better? Cmon that is nutz.
I love how you say all this that Bey is doin with such conviction as if you know his daily routine. You sure you aint Al Davis? lol Well he needs to be in the film room to study how to get open since he couldnt do it in college lol.
There is no question that Russell is in the best situation now since hes been here but like I said if he fails now, people will be throwing around the dreaded B word.
I dont think you agree with me because I am blaming certain players for their lack of conditioning and you are blaming our program. Nhamdi has missed like one meaningless game and he plays a tough position. Other guys like Cooper Carlisle is there when you need him. Veteran hard workers stay healthy and young slackers arent is my opinion.
3. Blow to the face? Why because I said he has a lot of work to do to prove you, Davis and cable have an eye for talent? I wouldnt be saying that if the 3 of you werent hypin him up so much to be the next Randy Moss and trying to justify picking him #7 so its true deal with it lol As far as Jaws goes, he knows his stuff but he is one of the biggest flip floppers out there. He is always mad wishy washy with his predictions. He hates being wrong.
4. Nhamdi says we can do it every year but even he has a lot of hesitancy when he says that almost like he dont believe it and he uses the word IF a lot like you lol. Nhamdi is a realist. He says IF our coaching staff comes together, IF Russell steps up this season, IF our defense can play well then we can compete. Thats hardly a ringing endorsement. I dont see him predicting 12-4 like your delusional self lol
Nah no benz for me. If anything I will spring for a 700 series BMW when the time comes but thats years away. As far as me calling you a delusional nut job lol dont take it to heart man because I followed it with "when it comes to the Raiders" so that shows that it has nothing to do with your personal life so you dont have to tell us all what you got goin well for you. We already know that and you dont have to prove a damn thing to me.
Future and you did go toe to toe over Fargas and trust me he will rep his guys hard to the death and he will make sure you hear about it years afterwards. Yeah he needs to let it go sometimes but the fact is though the guy is more right on predictions and players than anyone on this site and sorry man but he blows you away so far on debating. In fact I dont know anyone in my life and I would say even on TV that has gotten more right then him. It amazes me for real. I feel like I should bet on his words like he's Negrodamas or somethin lol.
I wont hold my breath on you coming up here but I dont expect anyone to really. This area doesnt have much and the weather sucks. We have rain almost every other day. I feel like I live in Seattle for christ sake. lol. If you do ever want to come up tho, you know in my town, Ill take care of you just ask Future how I took care of him. TTYL NUTJOB AKA AL DAVIS LOL
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lol that was on NFL Live last week if i can find the episode then I will show it to you, lol the guy after chris carter said "DHB and Harvin are bust". time will tell but my money is on DHB.
aye I know bey is here, there may even be a story on it. He is getting one on one work and doing what he has to to stay up to date, also keeping in contact with the players and Russell at camp.
I said I agreed read it again...
3. aye Im a smart man and I will admit when If wrong, which is very rare. Im sure bey will be a monster of a Wide Receiver. just have to let it speak for itself during the season. he is a beast though.
4. so Nnamdi says the same thing I say and then you call me dulusional? thats crap prame. lol naw didnt take it to heart just trying to figure some things out... like how deep lol.. nm didnt say 12-4 I was wishing you would. at least think it lol come on man show some I dont give a damn positivity, dont be a ol I think we suck still party pooper, what happen to the its the start of a new season anyone can be a champion if they work hard and pull their weight and be good enough?
yea the 700 series are clean as hell, had a nice buick lacross laid out black. very clean inside & out nice engine ready to get me a 700 series as well. make that my birthday present next year. instead of making trips I can splurg on myself my lady has a benz lol admit lil thing is clean. still pushing my tuck though love sitting high.
Future blows me away on debating?? the only thing I really seen him debate on was jerry porter and the raiders season. a little bit of gallery who came back and is showing he can play & if you want to call the fargas thing a debate you can. naw he doesnt blow me away lol at all. I cant belive you uttered that statement lol. um last time he was right ummmmm it was recent cant remember the topic. this whole prediction thing to me is kinda something I felt he started with Raidermick. they alway stay into it. I dont predict I just state the facts. he got heated in the fargas thing because I owned em and I said it and I dont bring it up because he got so furious when I said it. so I cut it out he was so hot man I could have cooked a egg on his post. but thats in the past and Im keeping it. Im bigger than getting mad at someone opinion on here. Im Xplosive you want see me change
There are a lot of Great indivisuals on this Forum : the usual stew, Navi, Sac, Raider R, Eastcoast, madmarcus, Darkdays, Valley the great valley lol. and more. now I extended it to sir Piggy who is man he is cool he hes one of those guys man thats just cool. their are a couple more just dont have the time to type em in..
this convo has been long enough lol..
yeah ill respond to yah quick, I still got yah back P.R.A.M.E
take care
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Man you are living up to word delusional everytime you post back to me. So first off you cant remember the guy who said on NFL live that Murphy will be 10 times better than Harvin but you can remember how Cris Carter said Bey and Harvin will be busts....hmmmm..very convenient how you remember the negative comment but not the positive one lol. Cris Carter knows his stuff cuz he helped work Larry Fitzgerald out when he was young so if he says they both will be busts, I'll bet on him and not be putting money on anything you put your money on LOL. I still think Harvin will do better this year than Murphy though.
"I know Bey is here and there MAY EVEN BE A STORY ON IT" that is your quote. Wow! If that wasnt the most half-assed cop out excuse for not really knowing what Bey is doing, I dont know what is lol. The point is I read articles and watch tv too and I have not seen one article on Bey doing anything but you talk as if you know for a fact. My guess is hes just rehabing the leg and thats it.
You did say you agree but you defended the guys that I questioned their conditioning so you cant have it both ways JAWS! LOL
3. "Im a smart man and I will admit when If wrong, which is very rare." Another X quote. Wow for someone who has been rarely right, you sure have convinced yourself that you are rarely wrong. Other than us picking Bey can you name to me something you have called correctly ahead of time and its documented in type on this site?
4. I never said you said the same thing as Nhamdi so dont put words in my mouth please. What I said was that you both use the word IF a lot when you are defending your points thats it. I got an english lesson for you my dude, the word IF is a preposition which is entered into a sentence reflecting UNCERTAINTY OR DOUBT. The fact that you or Nhamdi have to use the word IF means that neither of you are 100 percent certain about what you're saying.
My favorite car of all time is the 800 series BMW that LL Cool J was driving in the movie "In 2 Deep" with Omar Epps and LL played the druglord in Cincinnati named GOD lol. Too expensive for me but I dont think there is a single car other than maybe a Mayback that could compete.
Now onto this business about you owning the Future on the Fargas debate and Raidermick and all this other crap you said about debating. Let me repeat this just in case you didnt hear me correctly the first time. THE FUTURE IS THE BEST DEBATER ON THIS SITE, BETTER THAN ME, BETTER THAN STEW, VALLEY, SAC, AND ALL THE OTHER LEGENDS THAT BUILT THIS SITE, AND HE IS DAMN SURE BETTER THAN YOU! Do you understand me now? LOL. He was right on the Fargas debate so how the hell can you say you owned him? He told you he wasnt getting traded and he was right about him being the starter. You were wrong every step of the way.
Im not just saying this stuff to defend him because its not easy for me to admit that someone debates better than I do and I dont think anyone else has outdebated me but him. He and I went at it over Nhamdi and he beat me. I thought Nhamdi would never amount to more than an average corner in this league and yet despite the fact that this man had no picks in 3 years, Future saw something in him to stick by him and say he would be great. I'm amazed by this cuz I even thought Fabian was better than him at 1 point so thats how wrong I was! Future makes sure to point it out to me every once in a while but the fact is HE WAS RIGHT!
Raidermick is just a clown who would come on here and be the opposite of Future which means he would try to predict stuff and be wrong. Then he would try to claim he had the inside scoop on everything but always put news out after it was already being published somewhere. He was so dead wrong that he killed Mazarati LOL. Mazarati was so used to being right that Raidermick's wrongness was like his Kryptonite LOL.
You have a long way to go to reach not only Future's level but many others as well. Your fantasy team proved how well your picks can do cuz even if you were paying attention, picking Russell last year would have led to losses not to mention some of your other picks like Mcfadden who was hurt. I can tell you what happened to the "its a new season so anyone has a chance mentality" Al Davis killed it along with many other boneheaded owners. Do you really think there are Lions fans that think they have a chance? Cmon dude its called reality.
P-Rame
P.S. You wont be able to visit me until you come back to earth cuz right now you are on another damn planet with Al Davis somewhere having brunch every day LOL.
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me butting in but, someone mentioned the pig and here I am (thanks X). Debating well has nothing to do with being right or wrong. The best debators can be wrong and convince you they are right. Thus the saying 'I've got a bridge...". BTW, the best debators never lose their temper... Calm under pressure...
Prognosticating is a whole different debate...or more clearly, it's what you're debating.
'If, then' is a scientific and philosophical principle. Programers use 'if' all the time. It denotes given a certain event, then 'X or Y' will happen. You can't prognosticate without using the word 'if', especially when there are a lot of variables. And, nothing is certain... not even tomorrow. 'If' the sun rises, then.... I'm pretty sure it will rise tomorrow but, it's still an 'if'. Every team right now has a lot of 'ifs'...
As far as "King of the Site", with no disrespect to X or Future (both royalty in the King's Court and both knights are deserving of a seat at the 'round table'), the most thorough and knowledgable of all things Raider, but sadly missing for some time now, well... that honor goes to Speedkills...
BTW, you (PRame) and Gasbag are also excellent debators... SacBomber, Navi, the Pooh, and I know I'm missing some others right now, would deserve a seat at the round table too...
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speedkills have a hell of a lot of knowledge unlike any other person on here, but he is the king of facts, but it was i, rame and mongoose who made this damn site creative and popular....i could not count more than 20 people on this site when i first got here but after a couple of months with me, rame and mongoose stirring up shiot, 20 users literally had about a hundred of members on here.
everyone has their strength, i am one hell of a debater if i know what i am speaking about....but i thank you for leaving me off the list...i'm gonna remember that.
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What list Sir Lancelot? I said you were deserving of a seat at the Round Table...You are an excellent debater...you are at the top of this list. Besides, I'm merely the Jester...
As far as Speed goes, in my book, he is the King or at the very least the Wise old Wizard. Just as Madden wasn't merely a talking head as a commentator, SpeedKills isn't just a keeper of facts. From the posts I've read of his in the past, he gave the flavor of the facts down to the smell in the air and the intensity of the moment, he left very little to debate and had the respect of most, if not the entire forum. Who questioned his opinion or facts with any degree of honesty? He was thorough, hungered for anyone who could add to his knowledge, and welcomed a challenge to his beliefs with a friendly tone, as long as it appeared legitimate...That's a good King. Alas, the King may have been slain by a fool...Fools shall remain nameless but, you and I know who plays that part...
Back to the debate issue: The ability to wield a sword, just as the ability to debate, is a prerequisite to having a seat at the 'Round Table'... In the absence of the King, it would be a sad day to see the knights of this royal table too busy fighting eachother over the Kingship, to actually take care of the Kingdom. And it's leadership is loaded with talent. Now, I have some lizards to juggle...
At some point, I'll stop threatening and actually send you that e-mail... Regardless, you know where my prayers are at. I hope all is well...Peace.
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hahahahahahaha!!!!!....super duper new, lol.....good maun, we have to do that type of shiot so we all can know where the new posts are because it doesn't show that well on this stupid site.
thanks maun and my bad...you are not a jester, you are a great debater, i just don't say much to you because well, since you and i have been talking on our personal emails i consider you a friend...i don't rip friends at all.
at least not anymore, lol.
anyhoo, x sits here and asays that we haven't had a winning season since fargas has been the starter....what in the hell?...he has been our full fledge starter for 1 season, lol....last season jordan was the starter til he got hurt midway against the dolphins....i told you what i thought about x on our emails, the shiot is coming to fruition when he says things like that i'm sorry.
i mean damn, we have lost 6 seasons in a row, do you know how many starters we have had since then that we have not won with....owh my god, he says some things that doesn't make sense at all.
i have nothing against speedkills....he is a good guy...i would not vote him number one, he doesn't "debate" much....i'd put stew and mongoose and rame up at the top....they have all kicked my [bleep] at one point or another....x thinks he has, but he hasn't...that guy is not on my level in terms of intelligence.
yeah speed is the messiah of facts....but you must understand, he doesn't put much opinion to it....he simply state facts, he "leadsoff" with facts...if i say to you, fargas had 2 catches yesterday, you can't debate that anyway...it's a fact...he doesn't really debate with anyone, an opinion is what makes a debate....it sparks it...so to that end he is by far not the best debater but yeah he brings facts unlike no other before or since.
you can tell him i said that.
x isn't a king...he brings another journalists opinion and calls them facts....not realizing that a journalist is a human being and is only offering his opinion to be quite honest....hell if he wants to admire a media guy he may as well admire me since my job is media....shoot me da email because i forgot what in da hell we were talking about anyway...been a while.....peace
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yea this really shows your intelligence lmao responding to me in 3rd person lmaoooooooo.. wh0o hoot. come on.. pull it together bro..
lol now dont act like your not online now..
last season we where a runningback by committee. you mean the seaon before last season.. lol and your name is suppose to be the future. your too far in the past bro come on.. lol I have no choice to respond to this...
fruition so you get a kick when I try to be the bigger man oh well, I mean I dont remember posting it in a email. Ill put it on this site first lol. come on..
from this stand point looks like your level is left field.. lmaoooooo, I know your going to be hot at this response. your consistantly trying to compete with me for reason i do not know future. I dont even consider you competition.. yea And I have toped you. but " you have won and lost so many debates you dont even remember"- future.
naw i dont. you said I should be in the media though.... why in gods name should i admire you.. lmao Just because I brought jaws name up one time... lmaooooooooooooooooo falling out of my seat.
cant wait to meet you..
Im done with this. Future I refuse to respond to you until you email me back lmao.. and get your names together you got the date and clearly this was ment for prame or piggy or maybe even me in 3rd person.. which is very funny..
take care get it together
X
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Thank you for saving me a seat... I do appreciate it.
It's a great table, or at least was, until I realized I was sitting right in between you and X, lol... You know my spiel on when friends fight with eachother... I don't choose sides as that only prolongs and fuels the fire. The fact you care enough about eachothers opinions to try to change the other, is a testament to some sort of mutual respect. I have hope...Don't get pissed...lol.
I get what you're saying about Speed but, it is my contention, the Wise old Wizard lays the facts out in such a way, it is up to the observer to connect the dots and come to the intended conclusion the Wizard wants...without us knowing we've been led there. Yeah, lots of posts were info without opinion though... So I do understand your points. It should make us wonder though, when a wise man diverts our attention, maybe he knows something we don't...
I wish there was something I could say on your Father, man... May God be with you and your whole family. Take care.
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in all honestly i don't pay much attention to speed's posts, al ot of people don't, he rarely gets responses dawg....there would be no such things as a debate if there were only fact based....it's the opinion that keep people coming back...i'm not here to get a history lesson, i got oakland documentaries so i am ok on that.....i am here for the debates.....it's what made this site famous anyway....x is your boy so i figured you would chime in, but regardless he is wrong and if you were not gonna put your two cents in then why chime in anyway?
do you really thjink i'm gonna listen to you when you tell us to chill out?.....you of all people should know how i am on personal level and i told you i wasn't taught to back away from a debate, and since my father is dying i'm "really" gonna do what i was taught.
i'm a raider fan, davis was an attacker in his younger days, i am what i am....i'm never gonna change that....when i say "never" i really do mean "never"....only death will change that....x is wrong about fargas regardless of what anyone thinks...i told you i only speak of things that i know i am right on.....
besides,, i already knew you would not pick me, rame, mongoose or anyone i was affiliated with as the best debator....peace
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I love it man, you're pissed I said don't get pissed...Never once said 'Chill' out. Go at it all you want, I just said I would step out of the way...
I offered my 2 cents on debating skills already but, if you take what I said on debating as an insult to you and some of the others I have deemed excellent debators, I would have to point out a few things; 1. You have to listen to your opponent to challenge what they say. 2. You are one competitive SOB, which I mean as a compliment...It's a good quality for debates. Beyond that, I could go down a long list of debate rules...I debated in college...And I'm far from an expert but, I do know some of the rules...
In this debate, PRame gets the nod if the rules are to apply, at least from the little I have actually read. He acknowledges the valid points his opponent makes...and then explains why he thinks they are wrong. That tactic moves the 'brownie points' the opposition has accumulated with the jury to the home side, while scoring more for the new position...It's quite effective. The calm tone, even when under attack, also scores big...(If you are reading this P-Rame, the Pig is sorry for talking of you in the 3rd person). But, that is just from the little I have read and does not speak to my overall view of the debaters involved...As I said, I've already stated my opinion on that...
There is only one person in this world I would describe as 'my boy'...and he's not on this site...yet anyways....You can fill in the blanks...And again, I have already stated my opinion on the involved parties here...
On the football part, man, I can't follow it on this thread...it's all over the place and I'd be playing catch up for way too long just to make sense of it at this point... And, you have ZERO Cents from me on this, unless you care to restate the main points of the argument on another thread...on the other thread, you didn't sound too interested in the E-mail any more... I'll give you my 2 Cents on most any subject then...
As for who's right on the facts...well...I guess we'd have to check with Speed...
Take Care & quit being pissed...I mean...Peace
The P
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True debators never get angry.....especially the winners. you never see me mad do you? and I will admit when im wrong not run around and try to convince people to say im right. Dtbat told me I should have been doing that a long time ago but I said no bro I dont need any extra entertainment nor am I an attention [bleep].
X always calm cool and collected but some things make me just shake my head. lol
your always welcome wherever Iam. Xplosive@raiderfans.net now if you can receive emails from me.
once again. Speedkills one of my fav bro's I asked birdwell about em earlier nothing said yet. he may be on this other site I'll get that info and let you know whats up.
Thanks for popping in, sir piggy the brains of the outfit.. lol
I see bye the post you respond to queef 2 much you wont let nobody dumb you down into thinking incorrectly.
god bless
X
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The Pig gets a little jumpy when pulled into a scrap between friends. Don't get the Pig wrong here, the Pig knows there are some football opinions being expressed...it's just that the Pig feels neither side will budge at this point...
Oh...and the Pig is pissed some call it the 'Pigskin'...
Take care, God Bess
The Pig
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This is not a scrap or a beef. lol I have no beef with anyone. I know your not on anyone side. except the Raiders lol. Its a pleasure to have you chime in thats all.
there is no spat or anything the facts are up there. THE End.
I hope your having a great day. I on the early morning workout.
I hope the pig isnt pissed. lol let me know anything you want to talk about. Im here for yah my friend I have your back til the end.
God bless
Take care
X
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First I want to thank you for the compliment and second I want to say that I know you chimed on this topic but I have to respectfully disagree with your opinion and side with the Future on this as well. It may seem like Im always on his side lately but there are times I do disagree with him lol. Not on this though because as I read your post I said to myself, Speedkills is "The Coach" on this board, the king of facts, the king of history related posts, but he is far from the best debator on this site.
I cant fault you because you were not here in 2005 when myself, Valley and Future would battle each other all the time which led to many others to chime in on our posts. There was only one clown who ever debated with Speedkills because no one can debate facts. In fact for years he would post topics that would get very limited responses as no one really had a word to say other than read what great data he would put on here. He even asked me one time, how do I get so many people to respond to me? LOL
SirPiggy, you are always welcome to serve drinks at our table....JK LMAO. Seriously though, I have gotten a chance to talk to you much but I can see why these guys like you a lot. Take care. I'm out
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Thanks man... Another wise man once told me, 'Anyone who agrees with you 100% of the time, is a Liar.' So yeah man, when I disagree with you, it is always respectfully so...
So, until I hear something more on the Speedkills subject, we can agree to disagree with mutual respect. I think I'm starting to sound like either Stewart Smally or Aretha Franklin here...lol. Take Care.
Sir P
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I agree so now Im going to move on to the person who doesnt agree with me LOL
P-Rame
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my brain will explode if i read this [bleep]!
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get those hidden parts on you... maybe you should start at the top...
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so now, lol never mind.. ill just skip on down.. there is no use of even posting to...
3. russell, mcfadden, henderson several other players. even though its not like im saying im right everytime. "a person who think they know everything is a person that really knows nothing".
4 your taking the word if down a long road. Im 100 percent sure. cut it out.
how is that business, you act as if your screaming that from the top of the moutain, I know futures your boy and he came to visit you, and you guys have your personal time. trading fargas wasnt a debate that was what one of the options on what to do with him from the raiders during the draft that wasnt a debate [bleep]. my god.(looking for a brain washing machine) me and future alway talk, yea own is own but if you say i didnt im out voted 2 to 1. even though I shouldnt count your vote because I dont remember you being there and thats old. you seem to put a emphisis on better than me... no one here is better than the next man. except queef and all non raiders and haters and some media, now we are way better than those people.
Nnamdi was going to be good. He had all the tools. Fargas is a different story why because since he was drafted no one even really mentioned him other than the fact that he was huggy bears son. and the fact that he didnt really receive any attention until piss poor lamont jordan got injured and he was the only option. havent had a winning season since he has been the starter. its easy to lead the team in rushing when your the only option and fargas is a work warrior and a Locker room favorite. production wise decent for a team that had no line for 2 years. but thats why I look past that crap. Its a new season, we are just as good as anyone else right now and all we have to do is go out there and prove it. the steelers are now Defending champions and the other teams are all contenders. I know surly if the cards can make it. The Raiders can make some noise.
since future handed me the keys to the site for some odd reason, Im going to on pass it to navi.
I will never ever in my life try to walk in another man shoes or try to be on his level. a man will have his own way. the future' level is his level.. I shouldnt try to reach it nor should any other man. you set a bar to be better. lol come on, when everyone thought you couldnt top Nintendo you now have the Xbox and the wii. when they thought dan marino was the ultimate QB along came payton Manning, now they idolize tom brady.. things change man. everyone has their favorite...
when My fanstasy team beats the breaks off yours I will post the number here just because. lol j/p.. anyhow I didnt pay much attention other than the emails i received from navi and you talking reckless. then I started peeking in and saying oh my..
I like those 700 series, man I got to see a baugatti or however you spell it, my god the price on that thing. you would think back in the year 1999 that we would have flying cars now like the jetsons. lol. keep your pimping up, even in the rain the ladies will get down.
look in the Fantasy post I have something for yah there as well lol.
from the looks of your post, it looks like our out in the delorian with doc, so I will have to wait til you get home to visit you. lol
P.S. No Brunch a Feast. food is on demand.
take car bro
X
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you actually have the nerve to say we haven't had a winning season since he has been the starter in terms of fargas...do you know how stupid that sounds?....we haven't a winnning season in 6 seasons....everyone player who started during the last 6 seasons we haven't had a winning season with....everyone from jordan, moss, gallery, curry, burgess, sapp, all of them.
dawg you say some out of whack shiot for real....that was by far the worst thing you have ever said and i have seen you say some things that didn't make much sense at all....but anyone who says that we haven't had a winning season with fargas starting is stupid because he was only the true starting back for one season which was last season.
the SEASON BEFORE THAT LAMONT JORDAN STARTED OFF AS THE STARTER AND DUE TO JORDAN HURTING HIS BACK AGAINST THE DOLPHINS FARGAS TOOK OVER THEN.
he was not the full fledge starter til the next season...so who in da hell do you blame now that fargas has only been the starter one season?
all of them dawg....it's been 6 losing seasons, not 1..
why do you not make sense?...odds are i am never gonna meet you, but i tell ya what, that will definately be the day if i could....you can't be this crazy in person...there is no way you could not.
more importantly, when you and i were going at it, rame was on da site, he didn't type anything, but he was reading da shiot....hell he thought you were wrong then and for what it's worth, stew also thought you were wrong in da fargas debate, but he let you feel good about yourself....
you are a person that is hard to understand...
i'm gonna start calling you misunderstood.
that is my new nickname for you.
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Now, I guess im going to have to put the right terms out there for you to grasp. everytime we talk we have miss conceptions on both sides. I dislike it as well. I wan to call you the samething..
basically you just made that seem worse. so fargas has been here since 03 and he only got the bulk of carries due to players being injured. because you did say he got the bulk of the work which was clearly after mcfadden went down, & Bush wasnt fully 100%. so basically Fargas has been here 6 season and just now breaking the plain only to loose it. that basically put him as the last resort forced to be used due to injurys & he still gets injured. oh well right after that I said but thats in the past and im past that, its about the 09 season..
your starting to see only the negitive you want to see mr magoo. there is no real need to name calling either. lmaoo
you call me misunderstood im calling you Mr magoo.. with those big bottled glasses.. lmao
we are like 2 grumpy old men arguing over a running back that did something for only half the season then because they where a running back committee like jacobs, bradshaw, and ward. even fargas himself stated that they where a running back by committee, and thats your boy.
so it doesnt make since to try to argue that with me when im past that. I was specific when I asked you to email me again. you can respond to this post to try and look cool but you cant email me.. *how cruel you treat me in this relationship*
my prayers go to you and your family as well.
yea kicking it with you is going to be fun. we will probably laugh more than anything. shaking head you know when too things are too much alike it looks as if they push to be different, I think thats what we have going here. that and your rooting for a incase of emergency and we cant use no one else player' that's what you make em seem like to me..
I see Fargas as a locker room favorite and a scholarship player sometimes. due to the fact that, Fred Taylor a often pro-bowl snub that scored touchdowns, Shawn Alexander Pro-bowler, and Rushing leader, can be cut, and fargas has more injuries and less production than those players, including dominic Rhodes & still be here. I think that but when I hear him speak of the love he has for the Raiders then I give him his props. But fred taylor loved the Jags they rode him to the playoffs many of time even with brunell there in his prime. and everyone knows the seahawks rode alexander.
so if your "debating" on 1 season when which both Rookie runningbacks where still injured and fargas led in production your right or 1 and a half season where lamont jordan was leading the league in rushing before he got injured then your right on that.. And if that where your comming from I said that a long time ago, and there was no need for this whole discussion.
Also almost forgot. how can you not like J.L.H he is a solid return man, and also he scored for us as a receiver doing his 2 job thing if its not broke dont fix it. so what he is a little flashy.
I hope you support players that actually come here and start when they are healthy like Chaz schilenz and Mcfadden and Russell, support the young crew.
love your response glad I caught you online. now you can email me no excuses.
anyhow bro, whats the weather like?
God bless
hope you have a great day today
X
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why are you up so early in da morning?...i'm at work like always but damn, you are up early talking raiders?...you have nothing to do, go to sleep.
you only see what you wanna see and this is what some were saying about you and i agree with them...let me break it down like this, if you don't get what i am about to say now, then you never will...pay attention dawg because i am gonna go over the season events.
at the very beginning of the season mcfad and fargas were both healthy...when mcfad took the first snap (and he wasn't the starter kiff said he did that to get the crowd amped up) do you know how many carries he got that game?....you won't look it up because you know you are gonna be wrong so let me tell you.
9 CARRIES...
fargas got "18" carries.....fargas was the starter, hell he even did the player inrtroductions dawg....like i said, you only see what you want to see maun....i'm bringing you clear facts and you are going off what you proclaim to know.
the 2nd game of the year (fargas took the first snap by the way) fargas got hurt, he hurt his groin, he had 9 carries at that time and he had more carries than mcfad had at that point....when fargas went down mcfad took over as the lead guy, didn't last long because he got hurt that same game....fargas missed the buffalo and san diego game...mcfad was hurt during this time but played sparingly and bush was never hurt this season, his rookie season yeah, but not this season, he just wasn't cooperating and didn't want to play full back....he fell out of favor with the coach and davis....bush played well against k.c. but they could not stop the run and all 3 of them averaged over 5 yards a game....bush sucked the next 2 games when mcfad was hurt....the most yards he got was only 55 (at that point)......i already told you the only reason why bush played the last game of the season was because fargas and mcfad got hurt, cable admitted that bush was not in the gameplan for that day...believe that or not, that is the truth.
anyhoo, fargas was starting and mcfad missed some games....listen to what i'm about to say very carefully "mr. i only see what i want to see"....mcfad came back against miami in week 11, he was fully healthy again, he said he was fine....you can look it up....both he and fargas were together again healthy...HERE WE GO.....he never took the first snap of any game (since you like to go by that) and the most carries he got the rest of the season was only 12.
FARGAS during the week of the miami game started every game and his high in carries was 24....he got the amount of carries that STARTERS get in a game.....and my boy (and your boy bush) bush the most carries he got after the miami game was only 2.....2 games before the tampa bay game dawg, HE DIDN'T PLAY AT ALLLLL!!!!!.
not because he was hurt, it was because he fell out of favor with cable and he was speaking negative about oakland in the media saying he wasn't gonna play full back.
he only played in the tampa bay game because fargas and your boy mcfad went down.....cable was asked at the end of the game by a reporter was bush in the gameplan for that game and he said no he wasn't, he only played because once again fargas and mcfad went down.
now that what i just said is a fact, if you don't get that, then it's official, you are not that bright....you are in serious denial if you think this dude was our starter last season....mcfad will be the starter this seaosn, not last season maun....besides, our line was sorry as hell last season and i am gonna give you props for recognizing that, mcfad is brittle and can't take the type of hits that fargas can take so it was better that he started last season anyway....our line has improved and neal is here so mcfad can have it easier now...he should start.....i like bush tho, he is my 2nd favorite back on the team.
also maun on another note, you need to learn how to spell....you keep saying "loose" it's not how you spell it dawg.....you spell it like "lose"....it's 1 "o" not 2....the way you spell it is the way you tell someone to "loosen" up their belt....do you spell it like that on purpose?
dude a running back by commitee is a 3 set of backs that all get playing time every game and there were too many games where bush didn't play at all last season....fargas is more respected on the team than ony of backs so deal with that.
shaun alexander wasn't as good as you make him out to be, i say that because he pretty much had a hall of fame o-line....he got released 2 seasons later and is jobless, like porter, lol.
hey damn an email, gimme your phone number like i gave you mine and i will call you....do that and that will solve the whole email thing because you haven't emailed me and i already know you won't....you are not gonna come to houston either, you are a big talker, but don't act on da shiot....gimme your number and i wll call you.....do it....if you want i will give you my cell number right here on da site, i don't care....gimme your number dawg.
you are riding high on mcfad, but the trth is, he hasn't done shiot yet dawg...rame has said it and he was satisfied with the mcfad draft...stew liked it as well and even he would tell you mcfad ain't done shiot yet...you are high on a lot of our players and those kats are not good.....if they were we would be winning, we havent won in a long time....in da last 20 years the raiders have a losing record....
higgins is a very good punt returner, he fumbles too much but yeah he can do that but he isn't a good wr....dawg, our team doesn't make many plays much in the wr department so when you see a guy get a couple of td's you make it seem like he caught a superbowl winning td, lol...he only caught 22 passes dawg....most wr's can get that amount in 4 games...my standards a little higher than that...maybe not you, but get at me when higgins can get at least 60 catches....better yet let's go with porter's high here, 76 catches....
i guess you don't know this but i like chaz.....in terms of russ, well i wanted him dawg.....rame andi went at it against mongoose, sac and whoever else that spoke poorly about russ....think about it, you have never seen me say anything bad about russ right?....you dont pay much attention i see....if you wat to know who i like ask me i will tell ya....i won't sugarcoat it and i won't have blind faith in a guy i don't believe in.....
i'm rarely wrong about any of our players maun....usually if i don't like them they turn out to suck...
for the record you are very positive...you are the king of that.....that is only 1 category tho, you do overhype guys that don't live up to your own billing....you hyped up deangelo hall and he let you down...you said we were going to the superbowl and oakland let you down...they laughed during losses for crying out loud...explain that....you overhype, but that is just how you are....and i see you speaking poorly of crabtree, he wants more than bey and i don't blame him....a lot of players do that maun....reggie bush wanted more than houston's number 1 pick that year.....
just keep this in mind, you wanted crabtree, you said we would take him...you said this in december dawg....you also said laurinitis....so in that regard you are a flip flopper...if you DARE say you didn't want crabtree i am gonna show you a link to where you actually said that.....i got proof.
if you wanna know how da weather is, bring yo [bleep] to houston and find out...
anyhoo dawg, leave your number ad i will call you, more than likely you won't do it tho....if you want me too i will leave you mine right here on da damn site....i don't give a f__K....i really wanna see if you are gonna sa the same things about fargas not being the starter on the phone voice to voice after i broke it down to you that he was the starter and mcfad wasn't....mcfad will be our starter this year....the only way you and i gonna become true friends is if you call me or i call you.
thanks for da prayers....peace
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Fargas was drafted in the third round of the 2003 NFL Draft by the Oakland Raiders. He returned kicks and got minor playing time in 2003. Between 2004 and 2005, he was mainly a backup *on the bench*. At the start of the 2006 season he was the Raiders' second-string running back * back up*. With an injury to LaMont Jordan, Fargas took over as starter for most of the second half of the 2006 season.[3] (taking over for injurys is the only way he starts.)
In 2007, with LaMont Jordan's continuing injuries (again injuries) and struggles, Fargas was promoted to the first string. He has averaged near 100 yards per game since taking over as a starter and has solidified himself as a starting running back in the NFL. On December 16, 2007 against the Indianapolis Colts, Fargas reached the 1,000 yard mark for rushing in a season for his first ever rushing season after 4 years.
Fargas had the best day of his career on September 30, 2007, rushing for 179 yards on 22 carries against the Miami Dolphins.
On February 13, 2008, the Oakland Raiders re-signed Fargas to a three-year extension reportedly worth up to $14 million after incentives with $6 million guaranteed. Fargas is expected to start going into next season; the Raiders released Dominic Rhodes on April 28, 2008. Former starter Lamont Jordan was released on July 26, 2008. Oakland drafted Darren McFadden as the fourth pick overall in the 2008 NFL draft. Oakland also is expecting a contribution in 2008 from Michael Bush, who missed his entire rookie season while recovering from a broken leg suffered in his first game as a senior in college.
[edit] 2008 Season
Fargas was named starter in front of rookie Darren McFadden, selected fourth overall in the 2008 NFL draft, after injury and ineffecient running by McFadden in the first few games of the 2008 season. Fargas ran for over 800 yards on the season splitting carries. - googled in Justin Fargas bio.
and there you have it. straight from the google, and and other sources. Mcfadden was the starter until injures. now you can stop all the crap..
and thats what Ive been saying all along. he is a back up that can go some where and start not a megastar like DMC who was the starter until injured. the facts are there so we can cut the quote debating..
These facts are straight up when you google justin Fargas name as I said before. Mcfadden was the starter it even states up there... until he was injured and fargas stepped in. other than that fargas is no more than a locker room favorite and a hard worker. - dont take my word that there is copy and pasted from google... you wanted facts I went to fargas bio, and even his bio said he wasnt the starter how are you going to argue that?? prame help em read that...
this aint no fight im not mad you seem mad.. you seem to be acting all washed up.. whats up with that? why come your so damn mad now your all defensive I put the written facts up. thats straight from fargas bio. what do you have to say nothing...
how are you going to say fargas was better than shaun alexander? lmaooooo alexander was a pro-bowler.. Fargas is just as repected as mcfadden Bush, kirk, howard gallery.. any other player on that team.
you take what i say and make it into some big ol party. good. Higgins had fumble troubles in his first 2 seasons. now he is returning kicks for touchdowns & positive yardage. any way Im up early all the time. work as well. now why am i going to argue with you about fargas? when the facts are up now.Its over. I won. plane and clear and was right all along fargas was a back up when mcfadden stepped foot in here. lol so now that the facts are up you cant get mad. its too late. nothing you can say can dispute google and fargas bio.
porter has no job. and was not a pro-bowler was he??? umm---- naw. lol
Piggy is cool he didnt calm here to calm everybody body down he just chimed in its all good if he chimes in. everybody can tell when your mad. you hate to loose like your doing now I can spell lol. just some time i dont look over my work i just type fast and with the flow. and go own. i didnt know i was getting graded for it. lol falling out my seat.
Yea I said i wanted crabtree, you said it too. then I did some research. looked at the cb's the conference, and Bey was better. laurinaitis was another option because overall knowing going into kirk morrisons contract year, and the fact that laurinaitis was going to fall in the draft. that left bey at the top. laurinaitis is still a very good player. who I felt could have came in and helped this defense so did alot of people. alot of people wanted bj raji. kenny britt, hakeem nicks. but after you look at the big picture Bey was the best option for us he fits everything we have here. he fits perfect and will be a great player. oh is it when i call them great players thats a over hype for yah???? lol let me know..
so Nnamdi asomugha say's we are going to the superbowl every year. in the season its up for grabs until the mid way and you have a loosing record. lol who doesnt say it. hell even wild and loyal lion fans will spew it out.
the 49ers would be fools to overpay crabtree with so many more wide receivers out there. crabtree in the NFL can only wish to have a big season slow receivers like him, Dwayne Jarrett and Mike williams get ate up by these corners. the 9ers have had that before in JJ, and Ty. lol & they where faster than crabs. plus he has that pin. that has more question marks all over him than anything. plus lol.. no need go go any father..
listen here Im going to call you again. yet first Im calling you out!!!!!!!!
your a bigger talker than me and you know it. those long winded post over a back up that takes the starting postion when someone goes down. and claim he was better than shaun alexander lmao... here is what im calling you out on. You email me that information you have my email. I will call you.. this fargas thing is settled with the google facts I can move on..
Sir Piggy was right. he didnt say anything negitive about anyone why you all on his case.. and Sir piggy is not a back up.... he is a damn cool indivisual. piggy can say what he damn well pleases. anytime he wants to!
So you can just back up off him, cowboy. also for the record dont try to catagorize me. scarface said it best. It's hard to see a grown man cry...
fact not fiction. dont make me dig up mazarati archives
but I love yah to death.. lol
take care man email me that Information and I will call you... you should have so many emails from me you should be like I dont want to hear any else from X... if im not your favorite person I want to know why?? I wanna be your favorite...!!
Geaux Raiders
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Fargas was drafted in the third round of the 2003 NFL Draft by the Oakland Raiders. He returned kicks and got minor playing time in 2003. Between 2004 and 2005, he was mainly a backup *on the bench*. At the start of the 2006 season he was the Raiders' second-string running back * back up*. With an injury to LaMont Jordan, Fargas took over as starter for most of the second half of the 2006 season.[3]
In 2007, with LaMont Jordan's continuing injuries and struggles, Fargas was promoted to the first string. He has averaged near 100 yards per game since taking over as a starter and has solidified himself as a starting running back in the NFL. On December 16, 2007 against the Indianapolis Colts, Fargas reached the 1,000 yard mark for rushing in a season for his first ever rushing season after 4 years.
Fargas had the best day of his career on September 30, 2007, rushing for 179 yards on 22 carries against the Miami Dolphins.
On February 13, 2008, the Oakland Raiders re-signed Fargas to a three-year extension reportedly worth up to $14 million after incentives with $6 million guaranteed. Fargas is expected to start going into next season; the Raiders released Dominic Rhodes on April 28, 2008. Former starter Lamont Jordan was released on July 26, 2008. Oakland drafted Darren McFadden as the fourth pick overall in the 2008 NFL draft. Oakland also is expecting a contribution in 2008 from Michael Bush, who missed his entire rookie season while recovering from a broken leg suffered in his first game as a senior in college.
[edit] 2008 Season
Fargas was named starter in front of rookie Darren McFadden, selected fourth overall in the 2008 NFL draft, after injury and ineffecient running by McFadden in the first few games of the 2008 season. Fargas ran for over 800 yards on the season splitting carries.
Sean Alexander
Seattle Seahawks
[edit] 2000–2004
Alexander was drafted in the 2000 NFL Draft in the first round as the nineteenth overall pick. The Seahawks acquired the pick in the draft following a trade that sent wide receiver Joey Galloway to the Dallas Cowboys.[9] In his rookie season, Alexander saw limited action behind starter Ricky Watters, rushing for just 313 yards and two touchdowns.
In Alexander's second season in the NFL, he became the Seahawks featured running back, following injuries and eventual retirement of Watters. Alexander rushed for 1,318 yards and fourteen touchdowns, only behind Marshall Faulk for total touchdowns.[10] The offensive line was led by Pro Bowler Walter Jones and rookie Steve Hutchinson. On ESPN Sunday Night Football on November 11, 2001, versus AFC West rivals Oakland Raiders at Husky Stadium in Seattle, Alexander rushed for a franchise record 266 yards on thirty-five carries.[11]
In 2002, he started all 16 games en route to an NFC leading (and franchise record) 16 rushing touchdowns, four of which came in the first half of Seattle's September 29, 2002 game against the Minnesota Vikings in only the second regular-season game ever at Seahawks Stadium (subsequently renamed Qwest Field) in Seattle. He also caught an 80-yard touchdown pass in the first half. The five touchdowns in that half set an NFL record. This was another ESPN Sunday Night Football game, further growing Alexander's reputation for performing phenomenally well in high-profile, prime time nationally televised games.
2003 was another productive year for Alexander. He rushed his way to a career high of 1,435 rushing yards and scored 16 touchdowns. Seattle also made its first playoff appearance since 2000. Alexander's success in the 2003 season earned him his first trip to Honolulu for the annual Pro Bowl.
In 2004, Alexander remained one of the key components of Seattle's offense. He finished second in the NFL in rushing yards (with 1,696) to the New York Jets' Curtis Martin by a single yard. After being passed over for a late game rushing attempt during his team's victory over the Atlanta Falcons, Alexander accused his coach Mike Holmgren of "stabbing him in the back" by denying Alexander an opportunity to win the rushing title. Alexander retracted his comments the following day, and expressed support for his coach.
[edit] 2005 season
Alexander had a great deal of success in the 2005 season. In the first game against the Jacksonville Jaguars, he rushed for 73 yards. Other highlights include an 88-yard touchdown run against the Arizona Cardinals on November 6, 2005, and rushing for 165 yards against the St. Louis Rams on November 13, 2005. Also, he had two 4 touchdown games, against Arizona on September 25, 2005, and against the Houston Texans on October 16, 2005. He led the NFL in rushing yards, rushing touchdowns, Pro Bowl votes, and points.
During the 2005 season he broke the franchise record for the most rushing yards in the Seattle Seahawks' history. On November 13, 2005, scoring 3 touchdowns, Alexander became the first running back in NFL history to record 15 or more touchdowns in five consecutive seasons. On November 20, 2005, in San Francisco, Alexander became the first player in NFL history to score 19 rushing or receiving TDs in only 10 games (Steve Van Buren had 18 in 1945). This feat eventually led to him breaking Priest Holmes record of 27 total touchdowns set in 2003, and his 27 rushing touchdowns also tied Holmes for the most in a single season.
On December 11, 2005, in Seattle's NFC West-clinching victory over the San Francisco 49ers, Alexander had his 9th 100–yard rushing game of the year, breaking Chris Warren's franchise record of eight 100–yard games. In the process he also set a more significant NFL record, running for 100 yards against divisional opponents in nine straight games, a record previously held by Walter Payton. On December 18, 2005, in a game against the Tennessee Titans, Alexander passed the 1,600 yard mark for the second consecutive season, had a Seahawks franchise record 10th 100 yard rushing game, and scored his 24th rushing touchdown of the year (as well as the 86th of his career, tying him with Priest Holmes at 12th on the all-time rushing touchdown leader list).[12] Perhaps more substantial is that his 96th career touchdown moved him into an 18th place tie with Randy Moss and Eric Dickerson on the all-time touchdown leader list[13], having already bumped Priest Holmes (94 TDs) into 21st. Alexander also became the first Seahawks player to appear on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
In the 2005 season, Alexander broke out by setting several records and was named the NFL's Most Valuable Player en route to a Super Bowl XL appearance with the Seahawks.
On January 1, 2006, in a game versus the Green Bay Packers, Alexander set the single season touchdown record at 28, and tied Priest Holmes's record of 27 rushing touchdowns in a season. Alexander also won his first NFL rushing title with 1,880 rushing yards. In 2005, he joined Emmitt Smith, Priest Holmes, and Marshall Faulk as the only running backs to record consecutive seasons of 20 or more touchdowns.
Four days later, on January 5, he was awarded with the 2005 NFL MVP Award, becoming the first Seahawk to win the MVP award in franchise history. He beat out New York Giants running back Tiki Barber and Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning who had won the award the previous two years. Alexander garnered 19 out of a possible 50 votes. A day after receiving the MVP award, Alexander was named Associated Press Offensive Player of the Year. He received 34 votes of a panel of 50 NFL sportwriters and broadcasters. He was also named the FedEx Ground NFL Player of the Year. At the ESPY Awards Alexander received two awards, Best Record Breaking Performance and Best NFL Player.
In the 2006 Divisional playoff game against the Washington Redskins Alexander suffered a concussion early on and had to watch the rest of the game, a Seahawks win, from the sidelines. However, in the NFC Championship Game against the Carolina Panthers he had 34 carries for 132 yards and two touchdowns, which was easily the best playoff performance of his career.
Shaun Alexander and the Seahawks lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers in Super Bowl XL on February 5, 2006. Alexander was, however, the leading rusher of the game with 95 yards. At the end of the season, he was selected to be the cover athlete of Madden NFL 2007. Alexander was the first player to be featured on both the covers of Madden NFL and NCAA Football, until Larry Fitzgerald was selected to appear on Madden NFL 10.[14]
[edit] 2006 season
In March 2006, Alexander signed an eight-year, $62 million contract to remain with the Seattle Seahawks organization,[15] becoming the highest paid running back in NFL history at the time.[16] However, the Seahawks All-Pro offensive guard Steve Hutchinson left to the Minnesota Vikings several weeks later due to free agency,[17] weaking an offensive line that had been a large part of Alexander's 2005 productivity.[18]
Alexander's success in the previous season led to his being featured on the cover of Madden NFL 07,[19] making him the first player to appear on the covers of both EA Sports football titles—previously appearing on NCAA Football 2001.[20] Alexander broke his left foot in week 3 of the season, effectively continuing the Madden Curse.[21] However, in the same game, Alexander set a team record while scoring his 102nd touchdown of his career, breaking Steve Largent's record.[22] He returned to action on November 19 against the San Francisco 49ers, rushing 17 times for 37 yards.[23] In a November 27 game on ESPN's Monday Night Football against the Packers, Alexander carried the ball a team record 40 times for 201 yards in a game that featured snow for the first time at Qwest Field. It was a return to MVP form and yet another prime-time showcase for Alexander, who was still playing with the broken foot.In a December 10 loss to the Arizona Cardinals, Alexander broke Barry Sanders's record for most consecutive games with a run of 10 or more yards.[20]
Alexander finished the 2006 season with 252 rushing attempts for 896 yards and seven touchdowns in ten games.
[edit] 2007 season
The retirement of Pro Bowl center Robbie Tobeck further enfeebled the Seahawks' once-dominant offensive line, further contributing to the diminution of Alexander's productivity.
During Week 1's game against Tampa Bay , Alexander sustained a fractured left wrist. Alexander assured coaches and the press that he would still continue to play. Although Alexander decided to play despite his injury, his performance had taken a noticeable turn for the worse. During Week 5, Alexander's lead blocker, Mack Strong, was injured with a herniated disk in his neck, forcing him to retire; he was replaced by Leonard Weaver. Injuries plagued Alexander again during Week 9, where he twisted both his knee and ankle. In the final game of the regular season, Alexander became the eighth player in NFL history to score 100 rushing touchdowns.
Alexander's final regular season statistics for 2007 were 716 yards rushing on 207 attempts, a 3.5–yard per carry with four touchdowns in 10 games. He added 14 receptions for 76 yards and a touchdown to his rushing totals.
Alexander recorded only 20 yards on 9 carries and scored a TD on a one-yard run in Seattle's playoff loss to the Green Bay Packers on January 12, 2008.
Following his record setting 2005 MVP season, Alexander suffered two injury-plagued seasons, hindering his productivity, Alexander was released by the Seahawks on April 22, 2008.[24][25]
After being released by the Seahawks on April 22, 2008, Alexander visited several teams including the Cincinnati Bengals, New Orleans Saints, and Detroit Lions.[26] Following the visits without any contract offers, Alexander stated that signing with a team was imminent and had no plans to retire soon.[citation needed]
[edit] Washington Redskins
After visiting to the Washington Redskins on October 14, 2008, the team signed Alexander[27] after back-up running back Ladell Betts went down with a knee injury.[28] While this move reunited Alexander with Head Coach Jim Zorn (Zorn had been the Seahawks QB coach before coming to the Redskins), Shaun was released from the Redskins on November 25, 2008 after only logging 11 carries in 4 games, with a 2.2 YPC average.[29][30]
Fargas hasnt done half the stuff alexander done.. lmaoooooooo cut it out future
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Fargas was drafted in the third round of the 2003 NFL Draft by the Oakland Raiders. He returned kicks and got minor playing time in 2003. Between 2004 and 2005, he was mainly a backup *on the bench*. At the start of the 2006 season he was the Raiders' second-string running back * back up*. With an injury to LaMont Jordan, Fargas took over as starter for most of the second half of the 2006 season.[3]
In 2007, with LaMont Jordan's continuing injuries and struggles, Fargas was promoted to the first string. He has averaged near 100 yards per game since taking over as a starter and has solidified himself as a starting running back in the NFL. On December 16, 2007 against the Indianapolis Colts, Fargas reached the 1,000 yard mark for rushing in a season for his first ever rushing season after 4 years.
Fargas had the best day of his career on September 30, 2007, rushing for 179 yards on 22 carries against the Miami Dolphins.
On February 13, 2008, the Oakland Raiders re-signed Fargas to a three-year extension reportedly worth up to $14 million after incentives with $6 million guaranteed. Fargas is expected to start going into next season; the Raiders released Dominic Rhodes on April 28, 2008. Former starter Lamont Jordan was released on July 26, 2008. Oakland drafted Darren McFadden as the fourth pick overall in the 2008 NFL draft. Oakland also is expecting a contribution in 2008 from Michael Bush, who missed his entire rookie season while recovering from a broken leg suffered in his first game as a senior in college.
[edit] 2008 Season
Fargas was named starter in front of rookie Darren McFadden, selected fourth overall in the 2008 NFL draft, after injury and ineffecient running by McFadden in the first few games of the 2008 season. Fargas ran for over 800 yards on the season splitting carries.
Sean Alexander
Seattle Seahawks
[edit] 2000–2004
Alexander was drafted in the 2000 NFL Draft in the first round as the nineteenth overall pick. The Seahawks acquired the pick in the draft following a trade that sent wide receiver Joey Galloway to the Dallas Cowboys.[9] In his rookie season, Alexander saw limited action behind starter Ricky Watters, rushing for just 313 yards and two touchdowns.
In Alexander's second season in the NFL, he became the Seahawks featured running back, following injuries and eventual retirement of Watters. Alexander rushed for 1,318 yards and fourteen touchdowns, only behind Marshall Faulk for total touchdowns.[10] The offensive line was led by Pro Bowler Walter Jones and rookie Steve Hutchinson. On ESPN Sunday Night Football on November 11, 2001, versus AFC West rivals Oakland Raiders at Husky Stadium in Seattle, Alexander rushed for a franchise record 266 yards on thirty-five carries.[11]
In 2002, he started all 16 games en route to an NFC leading (and franchise record) 16 rushing touchdowns, four of which came in the first half of Seattle's September 29, 2002 game against the Minnesota Vikings in only the second regular-season game ever at Seahawks Stadium (subsequently renamed Qwest Field) in Seattle. He also caught an 80-yard touchdown pass in the first half. The five touchdowns in that half set an NFL record. This was another ESPN Sunday Night Football game, further growing Alexander's reputation for performing phenomenally well in high-profile, prime time nationally televised games.
2003 was another productive year for Alexander. He rushed his way to a career high of 1,435 rushing yards and scored 16 touchdowns. Seattle also made its first playoff appearance since 2000. Alexander's success in the 2003 season earned him his first trip to Honolulu for the annual Pro Bowl.
In 2004, Alexander remained one of the key components of Seattle's offense. He finished second in the NFL in rushing yards (with 1,696) to the New York Jets' Curtis Martin by a single yard. After being passed over for a late game rushing attempt during his team's victory over the Atlanta Falcons, Alexander accused his coach Mike Holmgren of "stabbing him in the back" by denying Alexander an opportunity to win the rushing title. Alexander retracted his comments the following day, and expressed support for his coach.
[edit] 2005 season
Alexander had a great deal of success in the 2005 season. In the first game against the Jacksonville Jaguars, he rushed for 73 yards. Other highlights include an 88-yard touchdown run against the Arizona Cardinals on November 6, 2005, and rushing for 165 yards against the St. Louis Rams on November 13, 2005. Also, he had two 4 touchdown games, against Arizona on September 25, 2005, and against the Houston Texans on October 16, 2005. He led the NFL in rushing yards, rushing touchdowns, Pro Bowl votes, and points.
During the 2005 season he broke the franchise record for the most rushing yards in the Seattle Seahawks' history. On November 13, 2005, scoring 3 touchdowns, Alexander became the first running back in NFL history to record 15 or more touchdowns in five consecutive seasons. On November 20, 2005, in San Francisco, Alexander became the first player in NFL history to score 19 rushing or receiving TDs in only 10 games (Steve Van Buren had 18 in 1945). This feat eventually led to him breaking Priest Holmes record of 27 total touchdowns set in 2003, and his 27 rushing touchdowns also tied Holmes for the most in a single season.
On December 11, 2005, in Seattle's NFC West-clinching victory over the San Francisco 49ers, Alexander had his 9th 100–yard rushing game of the year, breaking Chris Warren's franchise record of eight 100–yard games. In the process he also set a more significant NFL record, running for 100 yards against divisional opponents in nine straight games, a record previously held by Walter Payton. On December 18, 2005, in a game against the Tennessee Titans, Alexander passed the 1,600 yard mark for the second consecutive season, had a Seahawks franchise record 10th 100 yard rushing game, and scored his 24th rushing touchdown of the year (as well as the 86th of his career, tying him with Priest Holmes at 12th on the all-time rushing touchdown leader list).[12] Perhaps more substantial is that his 96th career touchdown moved him into an 18th place tie with Randy Moss and Eric Dickerson on the all-time touchdown leader list[13], having already bumped Priest Holmes (94 TDs) into 21st. Alexander also became the first Seahawks player to appear on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
In the 2005 season, Alexander broke out by setting several records and was named the NFL's Most Valuable Player en route to a Super Bowl XL appearance with the Seahawks.
On January 1, 2006, in a game versus the Green Bay Packers, Alexander set the single season touchdown record at 28, and tied Priest Holmes's record of 27 rushing touchdowns in a season. Alexander also won his first NFL rushing title with 1,880 rushing yards. In 2005, he joined Emmitt Smith, Priest Holmes, and Marshall Faulk as the only running backs to record consecutive seasons of 20 or more touchdowns.
Four days later, on January 5, he was awarded with the 2005 NFL MVP Award, becoming the first Seahawk to win the MVP award in franchise history. He beat out New York Giants running back Tiki Barber and Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning who had won the award the previous two years. Alexander garnered 19 out of a possible 50 votes. A day after receiving the MVP award, Alexander was named Associated Press Offensive Player of the Year. He received 34 votes of a panel of 50 NFL sportwriters and broadcasters. He was also named the FedEx Ground NFL Player of the Year. At the ESPY Awards Alexander received two awards, Best Record Breaking Performance and Best NFL Player.
In the 2006 Divisional playoff game against the Washington Redskins Alexander suffered a concussion early on and had to watch the rest of the game, a Seahawks win, from the sidelines. However, in the NFC Championship Game against the Carolina Panthers he had 34 carries for 132 yards and two touchdowns, which was easily the best playoff performance of his career.
Shaun Alexander and the Seahawks lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers in Super Bowl XL on February 5, 2006. Alexander was, however, the leading rusher of the game with 95 yards. At the end of the season, he was selected to be the cover athlete of Madden NFL 2007. Alexander was the first player to be featured on both the covers of Madden NFL and NCAA Football, until Larry Fitzgerald was selected to appear on Madden NFL 10.[14]
[edit] 2006 season
In March 2006, Alexander signed an eight-year, $62 million contract to remain with the Seattle Seahawks organization,[15] becoming the highest paid running back in NFL history at the time.[16] However, the Seahawks All-Pro offensive guard Steve Hutchinson left to the Minnesota Vikings several weeks later due to free agency,[17] weaking an offensive line that had been a large part of Alexander's 2005 productivity.[18]
Alexander's success in the previous season led to his being featured on the cover of Madden NFL 07,[19] making him the first player to appear on the covers of both EA Sports football titles—previously appearing on NCAA Football 2001.[20] Alexander broke his left foot in week 3 of the season, effectively continuing the Madden Curse.[21] However, in the same game, Alexander set a team record while scoring his 102nd touchdown of his career, breaking Steve Largent's record.[22] He returned to action on November 19 against the San Francisco 49ers, rushing 17 times for 37 yards.[23] In a November 27 game on ESPN's Monday Night Football against the Packers, Alexander carried the ball a team record 40 times for 201 yards in a game that featured snow for the first time at Qwest Field. It was a return to MVP form and yet another prime-time showcase for Alexander, who was still playing with the broken foot.In a December 10 loss to the Arizona Cardinals, Alexander broke Barry Sanders's record for most consecutive games with a run of 10 or more yards.[20]
Alexander finished the 2006 season with 252 rushing attempts for 896 yards and seven touchdowns in ten games.
[edit] 2007 season
The retirement of Pro Bowl center Robbie Tobeck further enfeebled the Seahawks' once-dominant offensive line, further contributing to the diminution of Alexander's productivity.
During Week 1's game against Tampa Bay , Alexander sustained a fractured left wrist. Alexander assured coaches and the press that he would still continue to play. Although Alexander decided to play despite his injury, his performance had taken a noticeable turn for the worse. During Week 5, Alexander's lead blocker, Mack Strong, was injured with a herniated disk in his neck, forcing him to retire; he was replaced by Leonard Weaver. Injuries plagued Alexander again during Week 9, where he twisted both his knee and ankle. In the final game of the regular season, Alexander became the eighth player in NFL history to score 100 rushing touchdowns.
Alexander's final regular season statistics for 2007 were 716 yards rushing on 207 attempts, a 3.5–yard per carry with four touchdowns in 10 games. He added 14 receptions for 76 yards and a touchdown to his rushing totals.
Alexander recorded only 20 yards on 9 carries and scored a TD on a one-yard run in Seattle's playoff loss to the Green Bay Packers on January 12, 2008.
Following his record setting 2005 MVP season, Alexander suffered two injury-plagued seasons, hindering his productivity, Alexander was released by the Seahawks on April 22, 2008.[24][25]
After being released by the Seahawks on April 22, 2008, Alexander visited several teams including the Cincinnati Bengals, New Orleans Saints, and Detroit Lions.[26] Following the visits without any contract offers, Alexander stated that signing with a team was imminent and had no plans to retire soon.[citation needed]
[edit] Washington Redskins
After visiting to the Washington Redskins on October 14, 2008, the team signed Alexander[27] after back-up running back Ladell Betts went down with a knee injury.[28] While this move reunited Alexander with Head Coach Jim Zorn (Zorn had been the Seahawks QB coach before coming to the Redskins), Shaun was released from the Redskins on November 25, 2008 after only logging 11 carries in 4 games, with a 2.2 YPC average.[29][30]
Fargas hasnt done half the stuff alexander done.. lmaoooooooo cut it out future
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THE FUTURE
i'm at work with a massive migraine headache and have been having it since 3am, it's pulsating and light makes it even worse, i just called my boss and asked him to get my backup to relieve me....so we will have to continue fighting tomorrow...
but i will say this, to be a black maun, you sure talk a little wacky....i don't understand your slang, lol....anyhoo, you worked yourself way too much yesterday, i never said fargas was better alexander....you twisted everything up on that one....all i said was that alexander got all those yards because he has a hell of an o-line....
how in da hell you got "fargas is better than alexander" out of what i said only god knows...but i never said that....you typed all that for nothing....i hope your fingers were not too tired....that was not needed, you can't find anything i said that said "fargas is better than alexander"....i just said alexander got all those yards because he had a great o-line.....
i will get with you on the fargas debate tomorrow....i damn near had a wreck trying to drive to work around 4:40am....peace and here is my number right here....you don't have the balls to do it, so imma do it.
281-773-4193
call that number...it's my cell....now if you don't call that number since you have it, don't say anything else to me....you no longer have an excuse....if i don't answer it's prolly because i am gona be on a vicodin r something, so text me or leave a message.
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My god I hope you feel better I tell you what I will give you a call tomorrow or by the weekend. no excuses. im hitting the road. so talk to you soon man.. I really hope you get better..
I'll be hitting the south this weekend to help out my aunt and my extended family they are going though a finacial problem.
take care
god bless
X
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hey maun i'm back and ready for actions and thanks for the well wishes....my doc gave me some meds called "treximet" and i am much better...
out of curiosity why did you make all that long [bleep] 2 posts about alexander vs. fargas?...
i never said that fargas was better, i just said that i don't think shaun was all that great because he had a hell of an oline and he got relased 1 season after his big year....that was it....i never compared him to fargas.....you sat there and made 2 posts on how i said fargas was better, loll...what da hell maun?.
anyhoo, all statistics show that fargas was our starter and even your boy piggy thinks so as well....he didn't totally know what we were debating about and i told him on email and he was like "that's it, thats what you guys were debating about?!!!"....then he said he would be glad to tell you that fargas was our starter last season....ask him if you don't believe me.....you can call my number 2nite if you wanna, i gave my number to piggy as well through email....i'm sure he will call me once he gets it....mcfad never got more carries than fargas when they were both healthy....
i sure hope you saved my number....you are gonna lose this debate one way or the other....also, i wasn't mad, i was mad in february when we went at it, but not this time around....peace
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hey Man Glad to know your better..
listen that post is from fargas's Bio google him and it will say he took over as starter after mcfadden had bad games. so that means Macfadden was the starter until the injury done him in.. thats from fargas's bio..
Listen IM going away for a brief moment but I will call you this weekend when my plane lands.
be good while im gone
X
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Okay X, the Pig finally figured out what the hell the argument was actually about...The Pig initially wished to stay out of this 'friendly' gentlemens' debate but, after seeing his opinion on debates used whack eachother over the head with...and of course, at the gentle urging from an absolutely NOT pissed Future (Don't get pissed)...The Pig looked it up...
Justin Fargas is credited with 14 games played and 14 games started...Interestingly enough, Darren McFadden played in 13 games and started 5...McFadden got the bulk of carries in only one game, KC...Pro-FootballReference.com
NFL.com has BOTH McFadden and Fargas as 'starting' the 1st two games of the season...
The Key Stats: Mcfadden credited with starting 1st 4 games and then ending the season with his 5th start with ONE attempt for 2yds... Fargas 'started' every game he played (14/14) with his lowest number of carries being SIX (Twice)...
Along with the Stats, The Pigs memory says Fargas was our starting RB when healthy...
Take care man, God Bless
PS. The Pig is starting to think there is a diabolical reason for the term 'Pigskin'...
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thanks for settling the debate, he hasn't seen it yet, but he will, either that or he will ignore it fully on purpose just to say he was right...he is like that...but you, rame and sac said that fargas was the starter, he is outnumbered....now that i know that, i can drop it....i mean, he cant call all of us a lier ya know?...there is no way he would disrespect all of us like that...peace my brotha!!!
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Ha ha I can't believe you guys are arguing about whether or not Fargas was the starter. Does it even matter? We were running by commitee so it really doesn't mean anything. Fargas had 105 more carries than DMC, but I'm sure if he wasn't hurt they would have been much closer. They will both contribute
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I agree...and I still think Rich Gannon did a very poor job last year as the starting FB...
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hey maun i said fargas was the starter....rame did....sac did....piggy did and i am sure you read his newly aquired post, it's settled.....fargas was the starter....'
either that or you are calling all of us a lier...
i don't think you would have the balls to do that tho....i won da debate...it's over now as far as i am concerned....you were wrong for posting all of that damn alexander vs. fargas stuff on there since i never not once said fargas was better than him....since you didn't acknowledge that part then i know that is your way of apologizing for even taking things that far in terms of shaun vs. justin.
i'm done with it....more people are on my side of the debate....now that i have goten that part it can be dropped.
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hahaha
who started more second halves? haha
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Yeah its best that you skip down because anything to do with Murphy or Bey is a waste of time until they actually do something.
3. You just proved my point...You claim to be right on Russell, McFadden and Henderson? Those 3 guys are just guys you have overhyped so far. What the hell have they done worth any signficance to this point? So far each of them have 1 really good game on their resume. Big deal. You aint right on them yet buddy sorry. Have they made a probowl like Nhamdi? Have they rushed for a 1000 yards like Fargas? Have they even started a full season yet? No is the answer on all 3 of those guys so like I said before until they do something special, you arent right and as previously mentioned, the only credit you have is the 1 draft prediction of Bey.
4. I swear you talk to people like they are retarded sometimes like I dont know what the hell Im saying to you? lol You stated that Fargas would be traded for picks and the Future said he would not. You guys went back and forth on this issue for a little bit and it never happened so Future wins what BECAME A DEBATE. You're sugarcoating this. You are not stating facts, those are opinions. You are not Speedkills. As a debator, yes there are many who are better than others. This aint about better as a person because we are equal.
You clearly dont like Fargas by making ridiculous statements like "we havent had a winning season since he became the STARTER;" but not only that you just buried your own argument that McFadden was the starter because in 07 Jordan was the starter going into the season so the only other season Fargas can be given credit for starting is 08..YOU JUST GOT OWNED SON! That is a lesson on how to go for the kill in a debate. lol Not to mention the utter nonsense of that statement since we've been losin since Bill Callahan was still here.
As far as all that stuff about how people always think they have seen the best and another great thing comes along, that may be true but if you are trying to imply that we were great and now you are the new great one to make people forget about us then you can reference my previous post on the word delusional LOL. Honestly, Ive seen more negative responses to you than positive.
I will admit that in the beginning you were refreshing cuz you had that crazy over the top positivity which can get someone pumped especially when you are looking forward to acquisitions such as Randy Moss but Moss not working out here is when I started to become the realist that I am now because this man is a beast in every sense of the word and if this team can find a way to make him a non-factor in this league than anything is possible. Now though your posts have become more comical than inspiring cuz no one agrees lol. I'm out
P-Rame
P.S. I only thing I have in common with the Delorean is the doors LOL. You should know since you travel with Doc (Al Davis) Brown and you are his right hand man. LOL
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P-rame your more exciting in fantasy football talk. atleast there I know your in your right mind. when it come's to backing the future, boy you co-sign more than Hugh heff, with a new bunny at the benz dealership
Ok if fargas was the starter how come he didnt get the bulk of the carries until after darren went down? cause Mcfadden got carries in the first 3 games in 08 thats when he got injured in the Kansas City game. Fargas got the load in 07 Mcfadden wasnt here. [bleep], Mcfaddens rookie year was last year. Mcfadden did more injured on his rookie year than fargas did in 3 season. Fargas supershine came in 07 when Culpepper was here Jamarcus was drafted 07 this is his 3rd year with us. you all lost in times and dates. lol come on.. and that year Lamont jordan was the starter until he went down, then Fargas went in and took over. working hard inbtween the numbers.
As for the Pick's Ive been right on all of em you can ask doug7dust. hell he was around about longer than future or you for that matter, and he was against Russell til I came. he was for quinn like a whole bunch of others and quinn stunk. just like how Michael Crabtree is holding out on the niners due to the fact he wants matt stafford money. thats stinks. glad we didnt draft that diva either.
Bey will be tough. its not overhyping. Russell nor Mcfadden had the Right Coaching here in place when they came. and the lines havent been all candy either. so with all the mess going on in oakland for them to produce in this crap was a positive. your dose of reality didnt realize 1 thing...
I told yout the fargas thing was a top option on fargas to do with the draft. should he be traded for picks was a top question around the Raiders Facility and the war room. Future just wanted to defend his boy which I respect. Hell speedkills will tell you I defended huff. lol he will let you know that lmaoo.... I admit when im right or wrong so how you going to tell me what i said? Bill calahan rode what was already being used to the superbowl. so after bill we started really loosing cause we didnt rebuild the office and the coaching staff, and replace injured talent and people thought jerry porter was going to be somebody since he played with the likes of Rice and Brown. yet I still think in a good situation and with his stuff together can be a good receiver, yet his attitude got him a early vacation from the league with pay until he signs with another team. in which drayton florence has already. lol naw the own thing is over I cut that after I cut it out on future.. that boy got hot, so there is no need to let my word go on... lmao
As far as all that stuff about how people always think they have seen the best and another great thing comes along, that may be true but if you are trying to imply that we were great and now you are the new great one to make people forget about us then you can reference my previous post on the word delusional LOL. Honestly, Ive seen more negative responses to you than positive.
you take everything I say and twist it up into some crap. my god. in that same sentence I said I was no one here is better than anybody else. why you trying to place me so high? you and the future do that. you guys boy.Frick and Futch, lol... come on man.. Ive received alot of mix responses. so do alot of great people so do alot of worse people. I dont put myself higher that would make me a egotistical looser.... didnt I just tell you a person that think they know everything, knows nothing?????? didnt i just tell you that yes! come on prame.. Where is the real prame at?????????? who did you give your password and user name too.. your better in the Fantasy league talks... my god, at least there I know you have your on opinion like you use too.
It wasnt moss fault he didnt work out here, kerry collins cant be accurate for [bleep]. they put the game on him in tennessee and collins failed. plus Moss was the big target here for majority of the defensive coordinators and teams we faced. so he was doubled often triple teamed. by time walter or collins threw him the ball they where laying down.
I havent posted nothing really in a while. I been to busy giving you and future far 2 much one one, because you have twisted up almost everything I say. plus I havent posted anything for people to agree on. they agreed to fargas needing to be traded for picks lol.. but that was during the draft & before the draft. Im chilling, Not mad though its cool to me I take it on a a riviting challenge.
yeah you lost your mojo. not all of it because you so signs of life. Ill talk to navi about it... I think you need to see a winning season to get you re-amped. use to be all fire and brimstone comming into the season. with atleast we will beat them attitude.. this new prame reality, makes me think you think we will go a raggity 5-11 lol,
come on, gathering the masses we want P-rame , we want prame!! lmao
take care man, have a great day
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Fargas was drafted in the third round of the 2003 NFL Draft by the Oakland Raiders. He returned kicks and got minor playing time in 2003. Between 2004 and 2005, he was mainly a backup *on the bench*. At the start of the 2006 season he was the Raiders' second-string running back * back up*. With an injury to LaMont Jordan, Fargas took over as starter for most of the second half of the 2006 season.[3]
In 2007, with LaMont Jordan's continuing injuries and struggles, Fargas was promoted to the first string. He has averaged near 100 yards per game since taking over as a starter and has solidified himself as a starting running back in the NFL. On December 16, 2007 against the Indianapolis Colts, Fargas reached the 1,000 yard mark for rushing in a season for his first ever rushing season after 4 years.
Fargas had the best day of his career on September 30, 2007, rushing for 179 yards on 22 carries against the Miami Dolphins.
On February 13, 2008, the Oakland Raiders re-signed Fargas to a three-year extension reportedly worth up to $14 million after incentives with $6 million guaranteed. Fargas is expected to start going into next season; the Raiders released Dominic Rhodes on April 28, 2008. Former starter Lamont Jordan was released on July 26, 2008. Oakland drafted Darren McFadden as the fourth pick overall in the 2008 NFL draft. Oakland also is expecting a contribution in 2008 from Michael Bush, who missed his entire rookie season while recovering from a broken leg suffered in his first game as a senior in college.
[edit] 2008 Season
Fargas was named starter in front of rookie Darren McFadden, selected fourth overall in the 2008 NFL draft, after injury and ineffecient running by McFadden in the first few games of the 2008 season. Fargas ran for over 800 yards on the season splitting carries.
and there you have it. straight from the google, and and other sources. Mcfadden was the starter until injures. now you can stop all the crap..
and thats what Ive been saying all along. he is a back up that can go some where and start not a megastar like DMC who was the starter until injured. the facts are there so we can cut the quote debating.. and If i was to use the word own.. both of yall would get it now lol..
make's me look right again.. dont make me pull up the topic of the raiders considering trading fargas for picks....
Geaux Raiders
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3. Sorting out the running backs rotation: Justin Fargas held the lead role last season. He rushed for 853 yards but averaged a pedestrian 3.9 yards per carry and scored only one touchdown.
that above is what i copied on an article from THIS VERY SITE....he was THE STARTER....you were wrong about trading fargas for extra picks...you even admitted you were wrong about that a couple of months ago....you owned up to it so why can't you own up to it now?...you told me that you work with handicapped kids, i'm wondering if they are rubbing off on you for real maun.
and that may not be your real job anyway...you spend too much time on this website so i am wondering if you even have a job, lol.
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Honestly I cant even keep up wit all the crap being said that has nothing to do with what I originally said so Im just gonna give a final assesment of what I think on all topics.
#1. A raggity 5-11 record is the best record we have had in 6 seasons so excuse me for not screaming 12-4 but I honestly think we are gonna go 7-9 or 8-8 which to me is about the best improvement we can expect with no significant upgrades on defense.
#2. No matter what the hell you say, you have overhyped Bey as well as every other player you support on here. No one has performed at any great level consistently. In fact Bey cant seem to catch a damn cold in practice so far. I never thought Walker would get more praise then him but he is and that is sad. Bey at best will be looking at James Jett type productivity.
#3. We did have a running back by committee however Fargas was the starter and received the bulk of the carries. Future beat you in debates over this topic and over trading him. You can say what you want but you were wrong and admitting you were wrong on Huff dont help. I was wrong on Huff too although I did say right from the beginning that he lacked tackling ability after watching film on him tackling everyone high on the shoulderpads.
#4. I dont need to defend my capabilities as a rational realistic fan to you or anyone. I know a lot about this team and this will finally be the year where you eat some crow like you did in fantasy LOL. I mean after 1 win, you have nowhere to go but up and I just hope that crow goes well with whatever stuff you've been drinkin lately. I'm out
P-Rame
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you've gotten Soft.
5 -11 we did that last year.. lets fast foward.
Bey is a beast.
you cant belive future because the Fargas facts are there, and everyone says we where a running back by committee. and Fargas bio even said he wasnt the starter until mcfadden went down & ineffecent running. boom. its a rap your right nothng else to be said.
new topic.
I hope everything is going good for you.
Andrew Walter is a pat. and the Chiefs picked up toomer
Im broadcasting from my labtop im on the road. yet im not headed your way wish i was. hopefully next summer
peace
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All I gotta say to you is that Fargas was the starter and you helped prove my point by saying he didnt receive the bulk of the carries until McFadden got hurt. HELLO MCFLY! The word Bulk means the "majority of" and game one Fargas had 18 carries while Darren had 9. Game two is when McFadden got hurt against KC so your statement is wrong just like everything you said last year about it and how you were wrong in all your debates. You are also wrong to overhype players who havent done anything yet. If by saying that and we will not win 12 games means I lost my swagger in your eyes then so be it. I'm out
P-Rame
P.S. You are going down hard in fantasy
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hey you bro, x doesn't get it....we know he isn't that bright...stew, sac, pgi, mongoose, you, myself all said that fargas was the starter last season and he still says no.
he is in denial bro....he is in his own little world....he only see what he wants to see and he will put words in your mouth for real if you don't let up....i still can't get over him saying that i said that fargas was better than alexander when all i said is that shaun was only great because he had a great o-line and he lost his job a season after after his amzaing record setting td season....he turned that into saying that i said "fargas was better that alexander"....just plain elementary school for real.
f'k em.
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listen here. Raiders Running back Justin Fargas's Bio say's Justin Fargas was a back up. he was the starter only when lamont jordan went down, and darren Mcfadden went down. thats the back up's job. like if I go down your my back up your suppose to step up into my starting position. thats what fargas has been the years he has been here.
Fact not fiction.. If you think so google it yourself. also, everybody you named said the same thing that I did, that we where a running back buy committee.
damn even andre cymone said he was a back up.. get it now?
take care big man
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umm, you can't read, i think a lot of people knows this now....but regardless, they all admitted fargas was the starter, if you can read correctly, you saw that they said "fargas was the starter"
stop putting words in people's mouth you numbnut....sac did say that we were a running back by committee, but he also confirmed that fargas was the starter.....never not once (if you saw what he actually said on this site) did he ever say mcfad was the starter....it's like you only see what you want to, you see a lil part then you just cut off the rest..
stew even said fargas was the starter....goddamn maun, why do you always say the opposite of what everyone else says?....would you like for me to recopy what they said and post it on here?.
nevermind, you still would not be convinced....you are by far the most blind guy on this site...you will never get a job in radio and tv being like this, lol....keep your day job....whatever that job is.
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Im in lufkin Tx today had to head south for a brief, at the Holiday inn seasons..
man you must cant read.. there is fargas bio up there from google. I googled fargas, and it said he wasnt the starter until mcfadden went down.. so I was right..
future was half right, fargas became the starter after mcfadden went down..
Im not wrong in my debates.. I said Darren Mcfadden was the starter last season and he was until he went down. then fargas got the bulk of the carries due to mcfaddens injury, and also it takes fargas about 12 carries to get 12 yards, lol but he fights for em..
I aint say you swaggerless, I just say you sound like a follower, I know future is your boy, so I see aint no telling you any different so im off this topic. future got you where he wants you. After I googled Justin Fargas bio and it said what I already new that Fargas was the back up. then I was done.
There was no need to continue to play in futures fantasy world, with andre cymone and all that other crap.
Andre Cymone has a I love Xplosives shirt on any way.
lol I'll see you in fantasy, Im down here in lufkin with some old old friends while I have a break. I'll be back in cali by thursday.
I asked you what do you think about walter and burgess being pats?
take care big man
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So let me get this straight, you think Im saying Fargas started over McFadden last year only cuz Im trying to help Future? No Im sayin it cuz its true. You keep saying Fargas wasnt the starter until McFadden got hurt but game 1 Fargas gets 18 carries to 9 for Darren. That is the bulk of the carries. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT BUT YOU. As far as this BIO goes, I would love to see any link not just on Fargas that ever says Darren McFadden was the starter. I have never seen anything that has said that.
You are full of it man for real. Every article I have ever read has clearly said that McFadden was underused never saying anything remotely close to him being a starter. Go ahead find something that you didnt type yourself, I dare you? The only reason you can even speak about this right now is because McFadden opened the game on the field with his name on the Monday Night screen. That was just a ploy by the Raiders to generate excitement like the famous article they put out back in the early 80's of Jim Brown making a comeback to play for us n gave him a #32 jersey n helmet to wear to piss off Marcus. Youre gone man for real.
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I guess the Future was wrong cuz you did get back to me lol
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imma let you slide with that tho, lol....
bro my email is....
dcrayton@radio-one.com
so go back and copy your email and send it to ya...i emailed you as well....glad we are getting things back on the right track....for i got some great advice from one of the greatest people that you and i have ever met....he knows who he is.
yeah that 20 year old chick was a stripper dawg, so i feel bad for his wife ebcause that young chick killed him...when you get married you gotta hang up your player card for real, because if not, shiot like that can happen....he was a good guy, but i don't feel sorry for him, he is gone now, but i feel bad for his wife....he bought that young chick a goddamn escalade...he was wrong for that....he prolly tried to break up wit her and then she got mad and shot both him and herself.
you noticed everyone has talked about it with the exception of her?....she is prolly mad at him while sad of his death because everyone who looks at her will now know that her hubby was f___kin' over her ya know?
get my email right now, you have no excuses and yeah i watched da whole mikey funeral....we aired it on our radio station....but i was at home watching it, i enjoyed it, especially when one of my personal good friends al sharpton spoke...he brought the house down....peace
THIS WAS ONE OF THE POSTS YOU DIDN'T RESPOND TO.
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good post and very telling and i get the feeling you stole some of my thoughts about certain subjects....lol.
anyhoo, don't be suprised if i take a 2 week bereavement from ym job maun....my dad is getting weaker by the day and the cancer has now spreaded to his lungs...he has been in bed like 21 hours out of a 24 hour period...it's sad because last night he called my mom into the room and "willingly" gave her some background info for the obituary....she called and told me that...
it means he has come to terms with his illness...talk to ya lata maun and call me or i will call you.
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What you mean stole some of your thoughts? lol Your gonna have to elaborate on that because everything I said I truly feel deep down inside. Sorry about your pops man but Ill be here when you need to talk and you can call me anytime. I'm out
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THE FUTURE stole my thoughts meaning we were thinking the smae thing, but i don't make posts anymore so it's good that you called it out... my dad has an appointmnet at the VA thursday and he thinks they are gonna keep him once they see his increasingly failing body....i informed my boss of what is going on because eventually the bereavement is coming..
owh yeah and i had to come back and edit to say this....garcia hasn't been a winner everywhere he has gone....he went to cleveland and stunk up the place...detroit too if i can recall...lol...they wanted him to pass it deep in cleveland and he could not do it...his balls would look really ugly whenever he tried to pass it past 40 yards, lol.....peace
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Sorry it took me so long to respond. I know you look forward to this so my bad. As far as Garcia goes you were right about that and Im not even going to use the excuse that Detroit and Cleveland were sorry at the time because he is sorry too and he was part of the reason why they were sorry to begin with LOL. I dont like Garcia. He's actually one of my least favorite quarterbacks to watch in the league. He is the king of dinking and dunking and I just dont like that kind of play. Im more like intermediate to long passes type of guy. However, I just want this team to win and I think we have good enough talent to at least improve this season so whoever gets it done, I will support. Stay up my brother. I'm out
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Sorry it took me so long to respond. I know you look forward to this so my bad. As far as Garcia goes you were right about that and Im not even going to use the excuse that Detroit and Cleveland were sorry at the time because he is sorry too and he was part of the reason why they were sorry to begin with LOL.
yeah i remember when he was in cleveland and he had to make a long pass to someone i forgot the wr, but i think it was northcut, and he was streaking down the sideline with someone on him, and garcia threw it down there, northcut had to have been like 50 yards down the field and garcia chunked it and the ball wobbled unlike anything i ever seen before, lol....needless to say, da ball only made it about 44 yards, and the corner went back and picked it off, lol....he throws kinda like a girl if he has to "really" use his arm....but he is good with short passing but he is always hurt.
hey if you saw garcia walkin down the street, and he spoke with you, would you say you don't like his game on the grass?...lol.
peace and thanks for the encouragement, lol.
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Ucrytoomuch seems to be the next guy in the lines of the many we have had on this site who love to start the sh#tstorm with people on here but Im not gonna hate on him either cuz I aint tryin to waste my time going back and forth over nonsense like I used to
- - PRame
I guess in this case "love to start a [bleep]st0rm" = saying almost the same thing you just said. so its good you didn't bash me too hard or you'd look pretty hypocritical. instead you should have put most of your verbiage in QUOTES as you say what i say almost verbatim = no McQ ain't diddly and the Raiders are ranked where they deserve.
note: Russell will probably excuse himself from a game. to catch a big sale on fur coats. reason #3 ;)
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Starting sht to disagree that you enjoy starting sht? Hmmmm...
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they roll around in it. they live in it. they LOVE it! squeel piggy squeel!
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Starting more sht...claiming someone is starting sht...by pointing out you're starting sht...over the accusation you like to start sht... That's some heavy sht...
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I must admit that your last line had me rollin LOL. Thats good because even in the face of adversity you can have a sense of humor which is a quality that some of the "antagonizers of the past" like Raiderken and 49ers4ever didnt have and those [bleep]bags made this site miserable. You on the other are different because even though I have seen you go at it with many people over your strong opinions (which was the main point about starting sh#tstorms, its not that you do it but you do it a lot with a lot of people lol) you dont seem to have the same insulting tone that they did so Ill get off your back and you do what you do man.
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thanks for putting me above a phagg 49er fan man. i feel warm and fuzzy now ;)
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49er fans are smokers!!! Nice.
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Anytime I can give you the warm and fuzzy feeling thats cool cuz after all you are a Raider fan. At least I think you are LOL. Can you tell me what the hell is all the bumbling going on between you and Sir Piggy? I cant understand a word you guys are trying to say LOL. Im trying to keep up but yall have me lost! lol Seriously though, there is a difference between being a realist and being a pessimist and you are on that fine line. I think I read a quote where you said the article by the Redskins beat writer was spot on? Cmon man do you really think we will win 2 games?
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He is on that 'fine line' of 'pessimist/realist... In much the same way a Sumo wrestler is on that 'fine line' of 'chunky/big boned'...
I don't know what to say about that whole 'warm & fuzzy' thing....could be heartburn.
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and I almost forgot, me & Ucry2much are friends...
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I think you are the first person to admit an alliance with Ucry2much lol but I honestly dont have a problem with the guy. Heartburn warm and fuzzy? Im not sure about that lol I dont have any problem with a realist because I am one too. It took me a while to get my head out of the clouds but 6 losing seasons in a row will change your perception quickly. I just dont like it when there is never anything positive to say. That is being pessimistic and might as well jump ship if you're going to be that negative IMO. We have some good things going but we have some bad too.
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After you my friend... Your compassionate eloquence stands as a stark contrast to that of our amigo...That leaves you on the 'chunky' Sumo side of Optimism...
To be a 'realist', he may have the temperment of a caged, hungry badger being poked by a stick, but, he can take and deliver a joke too... Ucry2much, if you are reading this = dumbas.s... Anyhoo, as a 'realist', my second guess at the Warm & Fuzzy thing: I'm gonna have to go with..., Jack Daniels...
Thanks for your ability to stay positive, Amigo.
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like you and the Fantasy boys.
and again you and the Fantasy Boys SHARE YOUR PICKS WITH US, since you use the RAIDERS FORUM to discuss NON RAIDER FOOTBALL.....its the least you can do. and don't lie. none of you fools are taking Russell @ QB. None are taking Huff. although i'm sure, judging by spelling skills, some are not bright enough to STAY AWAY from losers that just happen to be on the Raiders.
its those damn ROSE COLORED GLASSES. tell me how anyone takes a WR that couldn't break 1st, 2nd or even 3rd team all acc???? Take them with the #7 pick? thats just gawd dang RETARDED!!!! al ain't no freakin genius he's a tard. even tards get lucky once in awhile. so i hope tard boy gets lucky again in my lifetime, he ain't good though. gallery? russell? huff? seabust? washington? how many losers in top 10 draftees can one guy grab? maybe he's a genius at picking tards? like you fantasy boys
better check with me first so you know who to pick, cuz i don't wear no rose colored glasses. RAIDAS!!!!
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just because you found 'spell check'... It doesn't check grammar...Ending your diatribe on 'tards' with a double negative...Priceless.
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I think everyone is paying too much attention to the WR's. What about Lorenzo Neal coming in and blocking for D-Mac, Fargas and M-Bush. We have the weapons right there, Power-House Run Game. It should make it easy for anyone of the Raider Receiver's to get open. With that being said, Its all about the QB and defense. J-Russ has to be smart, "Quik" and accurrate. The Defense needs to keep J-Russ on the field. I dont know whats worse my defense playing Madden PS3 or the Raider's Defense the last 2 years. If the Defense does their job, J-Russ can get comforterable out there on the field and make things happen. There is one person that we lost from last year that would have made us a better defesive team this year and that is Gibril Wilson. We have no one on our team right now that can replace his skill at that position. I think our Defense is in trouble!! I hope Chris Johnson CB, does as good as he did the last part of the season. Not bad, coming off the bench. Why not Dangle $Money$ in Derrick Bugess Face. Anything to make him play better. I sure would like to hear more about this WR Louis Murphy. Size and Route running is the key ingrediant to the WR position if you ask me. Speed is just an extra topping on the Goodz! I spoke my mind. I Love the Raider's like I love my Momma!! That's all I know. My season tickets should be in the mail any day now. YYYYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Raider's Baby!!! Plz Don't Leave Oakland.
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Just wanted to let you know that I read your post and thanks for responding on my thread. I agree with pretty much everything you said. Signing Neal and Barnes for me are the two biggest moves of the offseason and letting go of Wilson was the worst move other than maybe reaching for our top two draft picks. This Mike Mitchell but do something quick to make us forget a guy who can get 100 tackles in his sleep. Good post man. Take care. Im out
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Agreed. I'm excited about Tyvon Branch and frankly, Hiram Eugene. He made about 6 TD saving tackles last year inlimited action and showed on more than one occasion the ability to lay the wood.
Not sure Mithcell will be the answer year one, but he looked good against weaker college competition and seems to have that uncoachable instinct for the ball.
He's fast and can thump, but I'm not sure how he'll fair against the run at the next level and in limted footage seems to be more of a hitter than sure tackler.
Hope his hammy heals fully before the season starts!!!
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will get injured. like BOTH our FBs last season. even young Griffith. teams will just blitz us, blow Neal up, BAM.......see ya OLD MAN
genius move by Al to dump Griffith...............NOT!
FBs take a beating when Oline stinks
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#1 - Obviously you're talking to me on #1 since I'm the only one one the board who has advocated that Jamarcus should NOT be on full scholarship. I've never questioned that what you're saying is the Raider reality for the QB position ( NO PLAYER will receive consideration to be the starting QB other than Jamarcus.) Quite the contrary. I've understood the reality since he was drafted. What I'm contending is that continuing with that strategy is a mistake that has and will continue to cost this franchise. My expectation at this point is that Garcia will be more productive than Jamarcus in the pre-season. Specifically I expect Garcia will have a higher QBR and the team will produce more points per possession, consume more time per possession, and generate more yards per possession with him at the helm. In spite of this I expect that Jamarcus will still be named the opening day starter. IMO this is short sighted and could be detrimental to the organization and even Jamarcus' development.
The one point on this that I outright disagree with you on is that Russell will start because of this contract. It costs no more for him to sit than start and at this point Russell will be paid a pittance for the remaining years on his contract; 12 mil for the next 4 years. He could be cut (and resigned) without any cap pain next year and that is actually advisable regardless of how he is playing because it could significantly reduce his cap number if the cap returns in a form similar to the current incarnation. Russell will be starting because he is Al's boy. If you doubt that ask DeAngelo Hall about it.
#2 - I'm not sure how you can say McQuistan isn't worth his salary when he is paid near the league minimum. I 'm not sure who over-hped him. When he filled in for Cornell Green he looked better than Green. That is not hype. That is reality. Green seems to be Cable's boy. Green's performance has been adequate too infrequently and IMO it would be better to work in younger players with more upside like McQuistan or anyone else they can find.
#3 - Hatorade? I actually lauded JR for his at home play session and I defended Jamarcus's right to socialize as he pleases. If you were following along you'd know that. As for the specific comment you site it wasn't a criticism or hate. It was more that we don't really know what is going on at JR's PJ party so we can't really assess its value with respect to football. Even as a PR move they aren't getting the most out of it. Regardless, like the missed OTAs it doesn't much matter to me. I care more about how he performs on the field.
For JR fanboys tell me....If JR is putting in all this effort then shouldn't he improve just a bit on how he finished last year? ...and if he improves just a bit shouldn't he be able to compete with a skinny noodled arm fossil who looks like a girl when he throws? From a player perspective would you have more respect for a guy who won the job with his play or for a guy who is starting because he is Al's boy? No need to answer. We already know how former players like Gannon, Brown, and Sapp felt about it.
#4 - I don't have a problem with people making wild [bleep] predictions/prognostications as long as they don't mind being reminded of them.....like a before the 2007 draft when people said JR would be an instant upgrade and I told them he would be a three year development project...or like saying pursuing Kurt Warner would be good option since his contract was up and Arizona wasn't showing him any love? I recall someone saying he was washed up... He looked pretty good in the Super Bowl... Or Vince Young being used as an example to justify drafting a young QB....and I said if he didn't improve his passing he wouldn't be a starter. I could go on with a number of others but I know that some people hate being reminded of these things and I'd just look like some chump beating his chest after making a tackle.
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1. Dont flatter yourself my friend because I was not refering to you on this point. In point number 3 I called you out by name on the comment you made about playing Madden and then I had said on how you and I have battled over Russell in the past but on this point I have seen others advocating for Garcia to start on day one so I was refering to them. You've already convinced yourself that Garcia will outperform Russell but yet be benched.
I have already stated in another post that the main reason Russell will start is because he is Al's boy but it is not a forgone conclusion that Garcia will outperform him and to use that as your premis I think is also shortsided. I can see if you said that following the pre-season and it actually happened but now if Garcia goes out there and falls on his face (which can happen to a 39 year old) then you will look wrong. I guess your willing to take that chance.
As far as the contract goes, your first point is correct but doesnt make good business sense. Yes it costs the same for him to be out there as apposed to on the bench but I'm a manager at a fortune 500 company so I guess I always think business and in these economic times if you bring in a new VP making 30 mil but his backup who is a veteran and been around the company for years but is only making 1 then they will make sure they squeeze out every inch of production out of that 30 mil guy. They throw him in the fire and if he cant hang with the big boys then the company knows they still got that longtime veteran employee to rely on and will throw the new guy out on his [bleep]. Times are too tough to pay people for nothing.
Paying him big money to be on the bench is bad for business and its too late to use that excuse of learning behind a veteran cuz if thats the case they should have brought in a guy like Garcia in his rookie season or 2nd year but instead they chose to hold on to clowns like Andrew Walter (sorry I think he's your boy but he dont got it) instead of going after a proven veteran. Now he is going to be forced to play in his 3rd year so thats just the way it is.
#2. McQuistan is better than Green but like I told X thats like choosing between Herpes and AIDS. I didnt say he is not worth his salary, what I said was most of the guys that are being overhyped on this site having done much to prove they are even worth a salary or a roster spot. McQuistan is one of those guys that if he dont get his act together, he'll be a tax broker in a couple years. I think he did ok but to suggest him starting over Khalif Barnes or Mario Henderson to me is not a valid debate. These guys have proven it for more than a short spurt here and there. He is a decent backup and thats where he belongs.
#3 You just proved my point on the Hatorade because in the same breath you claim to give praise towards Russell for his camp and then call it JR's PJ party? LOL Cmon man, if you cant see that you are undermining his efforts with the Madden comment and now the PJ party comment then you are just being stubborn. The fact is you're right that YOU OR I OR ANYONE have no clue whats going on down there and to assume negative things are happening rather than them getting there to work is Hating for no reason like I said. Also he will compete with that Noodle armed Qb and IMO he's going to do just fine in the competition.
#4 It seems as though you have some correct predictions in the past but you are now on record as predicting Garcia will outperform Russell in preseason so remember your comment about accepting it when it gets thrown back at you LOL. I have not stated either one will outperform the other because honestly, I dont think it will be clear cut. I have a hard time seeing Garcia shining while Russell sucks or vice versa. I just cant see that. I'm out
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Nice to see others realize that this is Russell's team this year since this is a huge year for him. He'll make more progress this year no matter what others think. Look back at his numbers last year and then look at the contributions from receivers on this team. Then wonder how Russell even had the numbers he did without much help. Schillenz is going to step up and Miller will continue to excel. With just a little more help than that things should be alright. I don't see DHB even coming close to Megatrons numbers. He's very raw.
Anyone expecting the Raiders to make the playoffs is probably going to be deeply disapointed. Al Davis does not believe he ever needs to rebuild but those who were here know that the team was built for a run and the cupboard was bare after the super bowl. This is the most talented team that has been here in a while but the schedule isnt easy. 5-11 or maybe 6-10 but could be very good in a few years.
I'll check back in to see when the Fantasy draft is but things get too negative on here to want to be a part of it. I tried to defend and talk sense but to some people the sky is always falling.
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First off, how did you do last year in fantasy because I think I remember you doing pretty good right? Second, that was a good post on your part. This is Russell's team no matter how much the haters fail to recognize that and its not like our team is going to be worse off because its his team. He didnt have much to work with on his line and wide receiving core.
I think they have the capabilities of doing well but Im sort of on board with Ucry on the point he made that our poor run defense will keep our potentially explosive run offense from being on the field more. That is why McFadden and Fargas didnt get enough carries last year. I dont think out passing offense will be putrid though and I would like to see Bey and Walker step up although I wont hold my breath on that.
Im worried that we didnt seem to make a single upgrade on defense really. I mean draft picks and Greg Ellis aint enough when your near the bottom of the league every year in defensive stats. I think that 7 wins should be the goal. 5 wins again this year would be a disappointment in my opinion. We need to progress not sit in neutral. I'm out.
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I did pretty good in Fantasy last year as did you. I ended up winning the Championship but it's a new year and a lot of luck goes into it. Should be fun again though. Some very knowledgable guys involved. I'm not too confident about a repeat but I'll definitely be trying.
I definitely agree with both you and that cancer UCry about the run defense. I was hoping for a run stuffing DT with that #7 pick or Monroe, or even Crabtree. Ellis is more of a pass rusher than a run stuffer. Even an ILB would have helped. Instead we pick a raw fast WR. What do I know though. My issue with this guy Cry2Much is that he can't have a football debate without degrading people. Sounds like some insecurities if you ask me.
Once again you guys are right that we cant have a running game if we're constantly playing from behind. Since we didnt address the run D that's why I guess only about 6 wins. Is it possible for our WRs to do any worse than last year? Because it's not possible this team will definitely do better than last year. I'm not paying as much attention to wins as I am improvement. We play some tough teams this year including the NFC East and the Super Bowl Champs.
It's not a big deal. This team is young and up and coming where some teams are old and on the decline. We've suffered through the bad times and it's time to be on the top again. I still think San Diego is better especially with a quality QB, we'll see about the running game and defense in San Diego.
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I had thought it was you that won it all. Repeats in fantasy are hard to achieve because a lot of luck does go into it but its even harder when you have several guys like me that are anxious to cut your throat to get to the top LOL.
A lot of us wanting to see defensive upgrades too but my issue with the pick of Bey was not that he got picked ahead of Crabtree cuz Im not sure if Crabtree is going to be that good now that hes outside of the spread offense but its the fact that we probably could have traded down in the draft and get another pick to pick a defensive guy and Bey. We got Bey way too early. With Ucry, you obviously have dealt with him more than me so you're entitled to feel that way.
I do feel we have a tough schedule so 6 wins is a realistic prediction but to me 7 is a number that can make you feel like we are steadily improving, 6 shows that we are pretty much where we were last year. I mean if we can win 5 with the way our receivers played last year, 7 should not be unrealistic if we can get anything more out of that group. San Diego is better but we have been playing them better now that Ladanian is on the decline. We'll see. I'm out
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I Apologize for the slow response but it's hard to know when someone replies with this format. I'm expecting for people to be coming at me this season. It will be a lot of fun. I'm just relieved that I at least have one season title. I'll play it off like I do the Raiders. Yeah they suck but hey they made the SuperBowl in 2002. Hopefully I catch a competitive team and can make it tough on you guys.
I didnt want a WR but if they did get one maybe Maclin had the best resume. 2k yards a season all through college. I didnt want a WR unless it was Calvin Johnson. I think a DT or OT was what would have been better value. I hear Crabtree isnt the hardest worker. I don't have any problems with UCry except that he thinks he's a genius. He thinks his opinion is right and everyone else is a "llama". He's getting off right now seeing that we're writing about him. I've never liked people that were that consumed with themselves.
I don't think 7 is unrealistic either. We really just need to get some momentum and people will be surprised at how good this team actually is. One glaring hole that is the run D but who knows with a new Dcoordinator we might see some improvement. I completely agree with you that 7 wins shows that we're steadily improving. I'm not expecting playoffs I just want to see consistancy. I really do think we're on our way up while others are on their way back down. I may be wrong but I see a group that's eager to prove people wrong. I hope Chaz Schillenz starts up where he left off.
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Navi posted the info so your defense begins now lol
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with people who cry too much.
fyi
San Diego will be TOTALLY PUMPED to play us. We'll come out flat. SO THEY WILL STOMP US AS USUAL. thats how we are now. We weren't like that in the old days. you're probably too young to understand...guys like pimp daddy Russell weren't a part of this team that was LEGENDARY back in the day. the team was about toughness, loyalty, and getting the job done. Just winning. it doesn't exist on this team anymore. the organization is all messed up thanks to crazy al. get it through your head - - some people don't like what's happened to what was once the winningest organization in pro sports. now we're a laughing stock. as evidenced by being picked last = which is 100% deserved. changing coaches EVERY YEAR. changing QBs constantly. who does that? who signs FA for record-setting sums even if not deserved, then has to dump the clowns when they don't work out within 6 weeks. giving guys like freakin Boogie, the biggest loser in the NFL, huge sums of money and acting like they'll be great. Drafting idiots like DHB that didn't even stand out in college, but using a #7 pick?! MAN IT IS TOTALLY DESERVED. no other team is so foolish. we are 180 degrees from the old days when this team ruled the planet.
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Whats up with yall?
I've been off the site too. I agree with you prame, I used to check the site everyday, throughout the day, but now, it's not even worth getting in trouble for. I got moved to a more involved position at work, taking some more time, finally, I gave up coming on here at lunch out of boredom.
Funny you all are talking fantasy football though. The only reason I actually came on here, was to talk about this years league on another post.