Posted on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 08:39 — by backrow
Final NCS Volleyball TOP 10 Teams -------------------Pre NCS playoffs-------
T1. Washington........fremont......,.......28-6*...........MVAL champ
TI. California.........san ramon............23-4 ..........EBAL champ
T1. College Park......pleasant hill........27-9...........DFAL champ
4. Foothill................pleasanton..........26-10*...........
5. Amador Valley.....pleasanton..........26-8*...........
6. Deer Valley...........antioch...............26-6*...........BVAL champ
7. Northgate...........walnut creek........22-11*..........
8. Monte Vista...........danville..............19-11*.........
9. Granada................livermore............17-13*..........
10. De La Salle............concord............21-12*...........
&...Concord High......17-12*, Logan.....17-16*, * = final record for the 2008 -oalists-
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how many teams get first round bye?
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Top four.... I'm pretty sure. 4th vs. 5th seed could make a difference... ... especially this year. Fifth having to play the extra game.
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Monte Vista is 17-10... playing San Ramon tomorrow at home
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Didn't Cal beat Washington?
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Cal might have beat washington. But AVHS beat college park. Twice I think. And foothill beat AVHS. That doesn't necessarily mean they should have a higher ranking.
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True. CAL did beat WHS. But....
1. "That was then...and this is now"...as someone nicely explains in the tread.
2. CAL high was HOME to out of league visitors who had never been in that building.
3. Plus...the ref-ing, (from a source close to that game) was highly "unorthodox".
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I hear they were missing 5 players, 3 starters, both starting middles and starting libero.
That'd be a challenge for any of the teams on this list.
With how tight all the teams are Saturdays selection meeting should be a good one.
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Backrow...
First let me say that I appreciate all the information that you are posting on these blogs, it is really nice to have boys volleyball getting some attention. My question to you is, how is it that you decide who to put in the top 10? How did Washington go from 3rd to 1st in one weekend by beating the 4th and 5th ranked teams on your list. Also, why is it that Cal is now 2nd over College Park when last week you had named College Park as #1? Not criticizing, just curious...
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Glad you asked. First we go over to the nursery school next door and have the kids throw darts (rubber tips) at names of the top 5 teams. Then we count the sticks. Finally we go to our highly paid committee of insiders re: any ties. I'll check today if they have any more details. Later.
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No need to take the question as an insult. Just wondered if you had the opportunity to watch the teams play that you place in your poll, or if you get your information from other sources.
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...didn't take it that way. We've personally seen every single team on that list...multiple times over. Including 8 or 9 Foothill matches, Northgate...half dozen times. Regular & tournament. I've been to every DFAL gym, every EBAL gym , and every BVAL gym from Deer Valley west...thru DLS. and two in the MVAL. Our only bias might be for Mt. Diablo High. No JV, no club players, no camp, no veteran coach, no respect. But they go hard and are still close to a .500 team. Our meager reasoning on the last list was the results from that week vs. where they were. The top 4 are so tight. But WHS won 6 times primarily on the road and CAL won its 1 important game. CP picked low hanging fruit a couple of times. CP could be at 2 and move CAL down to 3. Or put CAL on top. Or...
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what about acalanes high school? they are 13-12 and they play at concord then home vs mt d friday... they also beat concord high and killed miramonte in 3 while concord did not... they also took northgate and college park to the last points
ps how do they select teams that go into playoffs at the selection commitee
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It really doesn't matter who is rated as the #1 by Backrow, even though it is very informative and I enjoy reading it. The rating that matters is the NCS seeding committee, and they do take into account head to head competition when placing the seeds. Since Cal has a better overall record than Washington, and beat them head to head, I would be surprised if they would seed Washington higher. Any of the top 6 would appear to have a chance at winning NCS, IF they are on top of their game come playoff time. The top 4 get a bye, which would make it important for these teams to make sure they get into that top 4. The next few matches could determine these teams' fate. Should be fun.
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I would think that the NCS committee would only use a teams overall record as a part of its decision making criteria.
This is because in the BVAL (9 teams) and DFAL (9 teams) there is only a handful of quality teams. BVAL - Deer Valley and De LaSalle, DFAL - College Park, Northgate and possibly Concord. With this said, this means that the top teams in the BVAL and DFAL have a total of 12-14 matches in league play that are easy wins.
This is in contract to EBAL were there is only 7 teams and at least 5 of them are good caliber teams. This means an EBAL team only has about 4 easy matches in a season. So for a team in EBAL to amass over 20 wins in a season is credit to that team. Either that or they played in a lot of tournaments!
So I think that is why NCS spends the time to look at the caliber of the teams you have beaten as well as your league and overall records.
This factor could significantly affect teams overall records at the end of the season.
If you have attended any of the tournaments, it is very apparent who the top teams are. I think Backrow has done a great job of listing the top 10-12 teams that will end up in NCS.
Thanks to Backrow for his time and efforts to share his information.
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They will also look at the strength of schedule, but it is just one piece of the overall puzzle. Washington is peaking at the right time. The NCS will most likely make the right decisions, but it is not always equitable. The NCS would probably do well by reviewing Backrow's ratings, but in the end they will come up with a seeding that all will have to abide by. Keep up the good work Backrow.
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You're certainly welcome. My pleasure. Thanks for your astute contributions.
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Who do you guys think will get the 12th final spot for NCS?
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last year it was Berkley from ACCAL, but this year, i would say it would be whoever gets second in MVAL.
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MVAL? ive never heard of any men's volleyball teams in the MVAL, i might just be being ignorant but i mean well ya. anyways, id like to say acalanes would be the 12th team, the only way i see that happening though is if they beat concord and sweep mt. diablo, and if they get a miracle from the people who select the seeding. that's just my opinion, not a big deal.
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Washington is from the MVAL, and they are a very good team. James Logan, American, Kennedy, Mission San Jose. Moreau & Tennyson also play in the MVAL for volleyball, but they are in the HAAL for most other sports, but the HAAL doesn't have volleyball.
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http://www.fremont.k12.ca.us/MVAL/BoysVolleyball.pdf
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And the number of schools playing boys volleyball continues to increase. Some new schools have teams plus... I understand that Oakland High, (with a large Asian population) has a program in its 2nd year and Oakland Tech has a team for the first time ever. It will take a while to come up but one coach reports he hopes to send his boys to NCS playoffs to actually see... the level they need to reach.
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the ncs committee does not look at how many games you beat/lost to a team in. they just look at it as a win or loss against a team. so you could have been washington and lost a 4th game to cal 33-35 but that unfortunately goes unrecognized and in all honesty just complicate this process of seeding teams.
anyone know where the meeting will be held this year???
oh and backrow's rankings are more of a power ranking by week than a what you will be seeded in NCS. so who is playing better at a certain time...
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the meeting is held at las lomas this saturday at 7 am or something
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Great Ivolley...except the discussion was about the polls here...not the NCS seeding. They may give Dublin and Livermore an at-large for all I know.
Hey Iv8, while I understand you swoon over SoCal volleyball...I guess it's because you haven't seen the grown-ups do their thing.
PLUS...the Samba track beats the he** out of that faux beachboy music from the 'Best of the West'. Don't ya think? ;-)
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That's a pretty cool video. That Dante really gets up there. All the defenders could do was go into the duck and cover position.
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if you notice the CCtimes writer who does write about mens or women's volleyball tends to write about Cal High..... Probably because he is a class of 03 cal graduate.
But at least volleyball gets some recognition.
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i think the 12th spot should go to mtdiablo base on what they have and how they keep close to good teams
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wel actually there was one guy from"de anza" this year that was athlete of the week it was publiched in the news paper but not online....
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the same guy who helped beat Richmond 3-0 tonight? Is that the guy Vice? ;-) --- By the way you guys should have taken out your setter. IMHO. You would have won anyway. You will need him for Encinal and his wrist was seriously hurting.
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hu......how do u know this???
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I was there...that's how.
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are you a reporter or sumthin?
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James Logan beat Moreau in game 5, 20-18 for 1st round of MVAL playoffs.
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Truth is that any of the top 8 -10 teams can win NCS. There really isn't that big a difference from #1 to 8. Getting a 1st round bye may be crucial to marching all the way to Saturday night. The NCS committee does look at strength of schedule, as well as head to head competition. Whne it gets really close and there are no head to head they will consider records vs common opponents. Based on what I've seen, here's my rankings - not really much difference 1) College Park - despite having lost 7 games to forfeit 2) Washington - hot at the right time 3) Cal High 4) Foothill - how does Dusty do it year after year 5) Amador Valley - out of control coach will cost them 6) Deer Valley - weak league will hurt them - see above comment about Dusty, change to Lou 7) Northgate - play Deer Valley on Thursday, win will switch positions 8) James Logan 9) Monte Vista 10) DeLaSalle 11) Granada 12 ) Berkeley
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berkeley is out they didnt win league
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top 4 should be CP Washington AVH Cal
Cp would have 2 losses i believe if it weren't for there forfeiting, so they shoud be on top. The other 3 are kinda a crapshoot
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here is how i see it CP has two real loses to amador. amador has two loses to CAl. and Washington has a lost to Cal. and cal has a lose to granada. just by useing the transavtive property i think it should go Cal CP washington avhs. but it doesn't really matter they will all get a by
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You stopped your "transavtive property" too soon. CP also beat Granada twice
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o didn't know about that. my bad so CP and Cal are really close. because cal lose to granada twice one time was for real and CP beat granada twice... and cal beat amador twice and CP lose twice to amador... So..?
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The top four teams are most likely be Washington, CP ,Cal and Deer Valley. They all have good records and won their leagues. The next four are going to be Foothill , Amador , Northgate and DLS. Granada is a good team and Monte Vista plus Logan will most likely make the field with one spot open for the team with the coach with the best argument in their allotted time. We will see after saturday but the top ten teams are pretty much in with the seed among the top four the most important. Whoever gets the seed opposite CP who will be three or four will have the toughest draw if they make it to the semis.
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That's right. They give league champs a first home game. If I recall correctly that is why Berkeley hosted Granada last year. That match wasn't much more than a continuation of warmups for the Livermore team.
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acalanes beat concord in 4.. losing the 1st then beating concord in the next 3 .. 2 by more then 5 points so acalanes has mt diablo tommarow..
concord has college park.. so what are the rankings now?
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Monta Vista beat James Logan everytime they played either pre-season or in tournments and beat them in 3