Posted on Saturday, 5/09/2009 - 9:30 a.m. PDT — by ValleyR8r
Lets hope so.
Reading today's page there were a few articles about the differences in Russell and Garcia and they weren't just in regards to armstrength. We all know that when it comes to style and strength these two are as far apart as you can get. But the comment was made by reporters that Garcia possesses many things that Russell can learn by example.
The fact that Garcia sprints to a water-break while Russell walks carrying his helmet isn't necessarily an indictment on Russell's laziness. But many will remember the first rule of practice dating all the way back to Pop-Warner: "NEVER WALK ON THE GREEN!" I think when you've got a player doing this, he's showing his intensity which is definitely something Russell lacks in on-field leadership. Russell doesn't have to be Jeff Garcia and he'll likely never be a fiery field general. But if he can pick up some of these simple nuances from Garcia it could take him a long way. Players respect those players who are working hard and busting their a55.
Combine this small example with the wealth of football knowledge regarding the X's and O's of the game and I'm sure that Garcia could pay huge dividends for Russell in the long run. It's also worth noting that the addition of Lorenzo Neal is HUGE for the same reasons as Garcia. The biggest difference is obviously that Neal will be starting, but his attitude and work ethic will rub off on the other players while his performance on the field should be demonstrated quickly in the running game.
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I agree with everything you said and coupled with most of the articles I've read, it all points to a plan or strategy of bringing in motivated, hard working personel. That is a good thing. An off-season plan, a new concept in recent years. Now, we can't have no plan, that would be exactly what they're expecting us to do.
Garcia is the only proven professional QB Russell has worked with. That alone should speed up JR's progress. Coaches can talk but, peers, especially proven veterans, are voices that are hard to ignore. That has to be a little humiliating (and hopefully motivating) watching that chipper little SOB bounce past you while you're lumbering off the field.
Too bad we can't transplant Garcia's Brain into JR's body. I guess if some of his class and knowledge rubs off, that will have to do.
On a completely different subject, I love the quotes regarding Michael Mitchell making contact in non-contact drills and Cable having to spend time before each practice lecturing him on not killing teamates in practice. The last time we had that type of mentality was Romanowski. I sure hope he can bring that intensity on the pro level.
Thanks for the post and great analysis,
Sir P
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i wont make too much of anything until late may or june, but my only prob is we have inuries already....why is walker having surgery without telling da coach?
i'm telling ya mongoose, i don't see any good coming out that guy at all...also why do i keep seeing arman shields on da injjry list?...
on a good note tho, you know how i feel about blocking, and i am very impressed by barnes, and now lorenzo....i don't care if he is old, i jumped for joy when we signed him, lol.
hey i am gonna email you a pic with me and j.a. adande...he was in houston of course for da rockets game this weekend, but we my job a big mother's day concert and he and i hung out at da backstage together....that was my first time meeting him but i picked his brain quite a bit on oakland and his thought about da team fans, davis, coaches, and all kinds of shiot....
expect an email from me later this morning...peace maun
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Valley,
I hope so to, but I continue to have this feeling that Garcia will be finishing out the season as the starter. I don't know why, but from what I've heard so far about Russ having consistancy problems, etc, i don't get a real warm fuzzy feeling.
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I'm with you man. I have a feeling that we're going to see Garcia finishing out the season. I don't know what it is, but Russell just doesn't seem to have the "it" factor to me. I hope I look like an idiot after the season, but like your saying I don't have a good feeling about Russell. I'm not worried about his performance in his OTAs cause everyone's going to be a bit rusty, but I just don't know that he is going to take to Garcia like he should. I hope Russell listens to him, but I think there is too much pride in Russell. Garcia is the better QB now and if we want to win now we should either play him or Russell needs to really take notes.
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I hear you man, and I'd be lying if I said that I didn't have the same reservations. I've always known that Russell could throw the ball, I just have doubted at times whether or not he is a Quarterback. Garcia could be the guy to teach him how.
The good news is that Garcia is a capable replacement for the short term. The badnews is that Russell is a long term problem we will nto be able to get rid of. For our sake, I hope that your feelings and my doubts are proven wrong.
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geez Navi you hate the raiders? bashing russell? HE IS ONLY A ROOKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahaahahahahahahaa
its the hardest position!!!! whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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I have to agree with Futch - Why all the injuries all of a sudden? I was thinking the same exact thing over the weekend.
I also have to agree with Nav in regards to JR's body language. I hope it is just his style...But I don't wan't to hear that he is very eratic in his pass attemps. That kind of bugs me a little. But like futch said, let's wait till real camp starts. I'll give JR that much. I like the guy and want him to be a great QB just as all of us do. We'll see what happens. I think that is what Cable is trying to get into this guys head and Garcia can't hurt that's for sure.
And Valley...I sure did come down on you hard for you dissing the BEY pick. However, after this first weekend, i am now concerned. I mean he was dropping balls left and right. 3 in a row against no defenders!...I'll take the same approach as Fucth is with JR. I will wait, but how can you drop passes with no "D" on you. I mean from what they are reporting, the passes mentioned were right on the money, no D and no catch. Valley, I am concerned...
It was nice to see McFadden healthy again however...And Trevor looks bigger and faster...
Just looking for some positives...
Late...
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I wouldn't worry about the injuries right now. Its the first OTA and they are just making sure no one gets seriously hurt. Look at last year and it was about the same so I'm not to worried about it. Would be nice if more of the vets worked a bit more during the off season, but I expect rookies to tighten up and stuff because they don't know what to expect.
Mick- Also looking at the positives is that the OL sounded like they vastly improved. Not much can be said after a weekend of practice, but we aren't hearing that JR is coming into camp at 300 pounds or that one of our WRs got mugged this weekend in Vegas. I guess there is still time for that.
DMC and Bush having Neal to block for them is a huge deal! Not only does Neal help the running and passing games, he helps O'neal become a better player assuming he can get healthy. I don't mention Fargas in this only because I don't think he is going to get as many carries this year as either of these two guys. I still think he is going to be a factor, but I think his role will be much smaller.
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You're right where the injuries are concerned. Other than Javon's surprise knee surgery, there wasn't anything else all that significant. Zach's sports hernia surgery had been mentioned previously, and the team obviously knew of it. I'm not overly worried about his absence this early, everyone knows what he can do. With the rookies, it was about fatigue and not risking something major this early. That's what this weekend was about, acclimating guys like DHB, Murphy, Mitchell, & Co. to the next level. They got more thrown at them in a couple days than they've ever seen in an entire spring practice at the college level. So I don't even get overly worried about the drops DHB had. The guy is extremely self-confident, but in a very humble and non-arrogant way. I don't think the guy's going to be overwhelmed, and he' s going to continue to work his butt off. That's his background, that's his track record. His work ethic and character are never going to be an issue.
Burgess had the stomach flu or something, so again not a real big deal. With Oren O'neal, we knew he was still in rehab. So that makes the Neal signing such a great addition. Shields's non-progress has to be a little disconcerting, seeing how little the organization has actually been able to see of him in the past year. I really believe that he and Walker could be in some real jeopardy if they don't make some significant progress through training camp. Right now, there's at least 4 guys in front of them (DHB, Schilens, JLH, Murphy). I'd really like to see us bring in a veteran WR presence, much like we've done in the way of Garcia and Neal.
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Hey man, thanks for the response. I don't even consider holding guys out for cramps or stiffness an injury. When Nam doesn't practice or when Burgess is held out, not much is said. If we have a lot of injuries come July I'll be a bit more worried.
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what up maun where ya been?...anyhoo, you know when lorenzo neal actually spoke i heard actually mention fargas and dmac, but he didnt say my boy bush's name at all...but in terms of blogs and such on this site, journalists only mentioned dmc's name.
i worry about injuries because we had carter, oneal, walker, shields, fargas and dmac hurt last year so in my opinion that subject needs to be addressed....shields stay hurt, oh yeah and let's not forget chazz was hurt a lot last year too.
this team sucks so with injuries we are even worse...and walker who has surgery without telling anyone is major in my opinion....surgery is hard to come back from maun, i learned that the hard way when i had my surger in january....i'm still not 100 percent, lol.
if bush takes over for fargas i don't mind because i like him, but i still think dmac and fargas' salary will put them over bush...i won't change my way of thinking on this until i see different...peace maun and good talking to ya.
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Yo man! I have been on a little vacation. Went on a golfing tournament and then spent some time with my buddies who are graduating from law school. Now its back to work ha ha.
Injuries are a problem when they happen during the season. Right now I'm not worried cause nothing is serious. Guys get held out of practice everyday for different reasons and when its hot you have to be on the look out. I would be a bit more leary if we were in July and we had more serious injuries other than cramps and sore legs.
I don't think anyone cares about the Walker surgery. Most of us wanted him off the team to begin with, so him having his knee worked on doesn't do anything for me. Its not like he was some sort of all pro for us and decided to do this. Walker has been a problem since he got here and if surgery makes him better I don't care if he didn't tell his mother.
No offense to you man, but these guys are pros and they are used to rehabing injuries. I have no doubts that they are hard to come back from, but I would expect a pro to rehab much faster than you would.
The whole "dmac and fargas' salary will put them over bush" thing is my whole problem. If Garcia is better than Russell you play Garcia. You put the best players on the field no matter what they are being paid. I strongly disagree with that logic. I think that all three backs will get their share, but I don't care how much you get paid, you play the guy who gives you the best chance at winning.
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well, did ya win da tourney?...prolly not, lol.
yeah i understand but javon has been hurt since he got here and the last few seasons so he is a cause for concern....shields is a guy who can't stay on da field and even that was written about him last week...we will have to see but some guys who are injured wil more than likely continue to be...
yeah i don't like walker and didn't like the signing when he got here, so yeah you have a point with him...but regardless him hAving surgery without telling the coach is disrespectful....i don't like it at all...i help pay his salary so he should have told his damn employer....had that been jerry porter kats on this site would have been all over it, lol.
maun a lot of kats rehab they [bleep] off and still cant come back and play effective at all....my shoulder still isn't healed but i could play football right now if i wanted too....easily, but i would not be 100 percent if that makes sense..
case in point, tommy kelly...he didn't play at 100 percent last year...because he was still healing...this happens all around the nfl...most people could come back from surgery but it doesn't happen a lot when they just come blZing back and having great stats...some can do it, most can't....i remember when jerry rice came back from a torn acl and tore it again on a td....remenmber that for san fran?
i could go against you right now in football or basketball and hold my own, but at the end of the day, you would win because my shoulder would give out eventually....well not give out, but get weak and tired.
yeah i would play da best guy as well, but my gut feeling tells me that it will be dmac and fargas...i would like to see how fargas and dmac would play with a good full back like neal on it for once...
but football is different maun...owners and gm's don't wanna not play a higher priced player over a smaller one and if they do, then they should release fargas and let mac and bush do their thing...i would not be mad at this point...i really like bush maun...
alright god bless maun...peace
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Ha ha rub it in man! I choked on the last day! Ha Ha I had the lowest net 3 rounds and the all around champion and I tossed it away on the last round. Ha Ha I just couldn't finish it off. I was the first loser. It was a good time though.
I don't worry about Javon. I didn't really expect him to play this year or last year, so if he is hurt and cant play I'm not losing sleep over it. I read the article on Shields. Sucks cause people seem to think that he could be a good player if he would just stay healthy. At some point we will just have to cut our losses. He reminds me of Marcus Knight (you remember him?). People talk about him turning heads in mini camps and preseason and stuff, but he gets hurt and they send him to the practice squad. If Shields is not 100% come preseason, I say let him go.
I think people on here are thinking like me in terms of Walker. No one really wants him on this team, but Al isn't going to cut him cause he has to pay him anyway. If this helps Javon to play better I'm alright with it. I do agree though, he should have told someone, but I'm not losing sleep about it cause I didn't expect him back to begin with. Ha ha I think if Porter did it, it would be a lot bigger deal your right. LOL
There are a lot of guys out there that talk about not being 100% after week one, and thats expected. These guys bash eachother nonstop week in and week out. I know what you mean about not being 100% and still having stiffness in your shoulder, but you don't really get to rehab it as much as the pros. Lets face it, if your work gave you a trainer and told you not to come back until you were healed you would probably be able to heal a bit quicker. These guys rehab sprains every year and they have professional trainers and all that who know what they are doing. Your never going to be 100% once the season starts, but you can be damn close.
They should keep all 3 backs. Fargas and DMC had their share of injuries and having Bush makes the injuries a bit easier to handle. Could you imagine last year against TB if we didn't have Bush? Ohhhh man that would have been bad news. Let the best guys play, and in this case it will be get more carries, and let the guys rest and try to stay healthy. Ha Ha with Fargas' style of running and Neal blocking for him Fargas would probably bull Neal over from behind if he was in the way. LOL
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so you choked eh?...lol...yueah, the raiders choking in games have rubbed off on you, lol...if you had the spirit of a steeler, you prolly would have killed em, lol...and made a hardcore comeback like big ben does, lol.
hahahahahahaha, yeah maun i remember marcus knight, lol...he was a preseason hero, lol....he was that really dark guy....don't forget about carlos francis either...he stayed hurt....al drafts a lot of guys who stay hurt.
yeah i'm glad you agree with me, lol...if porter did that especially mongoose would be all over the guy, lol.
"Your never going to be 100% once the season starts, but you can be damn close."
really, then what in da hell happened to javon walker, lol...you know fargas and mcfad had a good amount of yards when griffith was blocking for them and when griffith went down, their stats declined....so i was thinking they need to have a full back in frotnof them...a good one...not luke lawton...
i tell maun, barnes, satele, and neal have amped me up all da way...good, because the draft picks didn't...
with good blocking, fargas could do real well...all of them could...but dmac and fargas is faster than bush so if al wants speed then he would go with those 2 of course, but bush ran hard one game out the year and i won't erase all the times fargas ran hard during losses and wins...too much history for me....peace maun
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Ha Ha I don't know that you can call it choking or the fact that the guy that beat me played lights out. With his handicap he shot a net 57! Ha ha thats 15 under par. It was ridiculous! Never-the-less it was tons of fun and even after that he only beat me by 4.
I don't remember Francis doing anything in preseason, but I remember lots of people liking him in training camp. Everyone stays hurt cause they aren't football players they are just fast. I don't know if it has something to do with the trainers as well or maybe the players getting pressured to play too early, I don't know but we seem to have problems with that moreso than other teams.
Ha ha your right, for some reason Porter pushes peoples buttons more than Walker. I'm not a fan of either so I could careless what they do as long as they don't cost us football games.
Griffith was a good FB I thought. Neal is better so it will help out all around. I'm just worried that because he is old and he is going to take a pounding he will get hurt. Neal is a beast and I have no doubt he will make the team, it would just have been nice to have both he and Griffith incase O'Neal isn't ready to go. I think O'Neal can be a stud for us.
I think we had a good offseason FA wise too. The draft was a bit sketchy. I like Mitchell, but I think he was a reach along with Hayward-Bey of course. I really like that we picked up Murphy in the later rounds. Thought he was a steal for us, but we will wait and see. We could have drafted much better thats for sure. Then again, on the bright side we could have done worse.
Ha Ha Well if you have good blocking any back can run well. I think the tread is wearing thin on Fargas. I think it would be best for him and the team if he carried the ball 5-10 times a game rather than 20. He still has skill and could be a good back for us, I just don't know how many more injuries his body can take.
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let me tell ya something maun, it's never fun when you lose...EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mmkay, so let's talk football, lol....francis caught like 4 or 5 balls, but noting special...he even had a punt return if you can recall....this was preseason.
yeah screw walker....if he doesn't do anything this year he should retire.
true, but neal is one of those full backs who dishes out punishment for real....has he had a problem with injuries because i don't know...i don't think he has eh?...boom or bust, but with our new o-line (you know how much i like barnes and satele) and since gallery is playing great as a guard, and neal blocking, this could be magical...i haven't felt this way about our upcming running game in years to be honest..
i'm usually negative about it....but i think we will be able to run da ball this year because of neal and barnes and satele....i really like these guys, lol.
well when you say we could have drafted worse, i gotta ask, you didn't think that was worse?...lol.
i don't anything about anyone we picked...mitch hits hard and he had good speed, but hell, gibson and dafrnell bing looked great in college too...it was "you" who made me see da light in how we use our safeties and with the way mitch plays he could already be doomed...but we will see....i really haven't heard much about our rooks to tell ya da turth....not good..
i agree, if you have good blocking any rb can run well....good....i want that....that would help us...fargas deserve4s good blocking for once because with him leading us he never gets it, lol...he gets ramsacked at the LOS.....dmac is a first rounder so he deserves good blocking as well...i don't care who gets the credit, (i always give cred to the o-line when they play well) i just want our running backs to be successful for once...
i am tired of seeing mediocre stats while other teams i watch have great o-lines and great running back stats...i want that for us.....
because dude....if we don't run well, you can kiss any thought of a good passing game goodbye....if we are not running well it means we are blocking well....we run block better than pass block so if they can run it, odds are our passing will suck...
lol, well in terms of injuries, i think as long as he can get back on the field he can take it, lol...why do you think al davis is so loyal to him?....fargas keeps fighting....he is loyal, davis loves him...the players love him as well...hell he is one of the few who won the commitment to excellence award 2 years in a row...
peace bro.
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Hey man considering these guys I played with are scratch golfers and I was even that close to winning says something. I wasn't even considered a contender when I first went out there and now I am, so I'm pretty pleased.
I vaguely remember Francis' return. If I recall right, he was another speed guy with no talent.
I don't think Neal has a problem with injuries, I'm just saying that he might now that he is here cause he is going to have to take more hits. I know he dishes out the beat down, but when he has to make a decision on what 3 guys to block because someone missed their assignment it could make things a little crazy. I'm still a little sketchy on our OL. I like the guys we picked up, but both were having off years and we need to hope they will come back strong. I hope not to get too amped up just because a lot can happen.
We have been strong running the ball every year when we have our backs healthy. I have no doubts that we will make an impact in the running game. We have 3 backs who could be potential starters on most team in the NFL which bodes well for us.
I thought that was pretty bad, but we know Davis and it could have been much worse! At least we know who Hayward-Bey is. I knew who Mitchell was before we drafted him, and Murphy was pretty solid in the 4th. We could have gotten much better value with our first two picks (no doubt about that) but we could have gotten guys that none of us knew.
I'm glad I made you see the light on how ridiculous we use our safeties LOL!! If Mitchell can help stop the run he will be fine. Our main problem with most of the safties we draft is their health. Bing and Gibson were always hurt with us. Gibson was much like Huff in a sense too because he came in highly praised and when he was in games you would forget he was even on the field. Both are more pass defense guys than run stoppers. We will see how Mitchell works out, but based on our past success rate in safeties, I'm with you. They are doomed until I see the play on the field in a regular season game.
The sad thing is we have a pretty good running game and it opened up our passing game, but for whatever reason whether it be dropped balls, bad patterns, bad throws, miscomunication etc... we couldn't take advantage of it. I would like to have a back that rushes for 1,400 yards a season... that would be nice. I would like to have a back that people around the league talk about as one of the best in the NFL. If Russell gets better the team will be better. I don't worry about Bush, Fargas or DMC doing their jobs cause I know they will get yards, its Russell being able to check down and find the open receiver on 3rd downs thats the key for me.
Davis I'm sure likes Fargas because he is an old school back. You never hear him complain about anything, he goes out there and bashes everyone in his way and he keeps the Raider Family trash to himself. Some guys can't help but talk about it any chance they get. Davis is loyal to guys that are loyal to him and thats all Fargas has been. Even in contract years you didn't hear about Fargas looking to go elsewhere. The thing about Fargas is if he stayed healthy consistantly and he gained 1,000+ yards everyone would be talking about how old school he is. As it is now, he is a lot like Nam his first few seasons where he is only talked about by few, but is very well respected by those few.
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well hey maun if you are pleased with losing then so be it, lol....i don't believe in moral victories...never have, never will....you should have won.
yeah francis got a punt return td...i didn't see it, i went to go take a dump and i heard the commentatros going crazy and the fnas and i hopped into the living room and i caught the end of the run, lol.
it's funny you talk about our blockers missing assignments, lol...you have no faith, lol...hahahaha...seriously tho you ae right, they allow like 3 linebackers to get thru the o-line easily a lot....
hey you are more cautious than usual when it comes to this team...i can understand that and i won't knock ya for it at all....it's just that i am a big fan of blocking...that is my favorite thing...if we had that do you know how good we could be?
on offense anyways.
well, uhh, i still really don't much about bey...i'm sorry maun but there were guys drafted in the 6th round who actually had better wr numbers than bey, lol.
well huff is more pass defender, but gib was more of a run defender, but he seemed to no nothing right out there because he wasn't agile enough to hang with tight ends or backs....that is my main problem with oakland's defense, they ask strong safeties to stop da run, and they make it a priority for them to do it and not the dt's....stupid....that is too much pressure on ss....hell if gibril gets 129 tackles and they say he still missed too many tackles?...are you serious?...lol.
i am paranoid about our ss usage and you are paranoid about our blocking....you know what?...the way this team has played has made us paranoid...
it's ok maun....we are in da same boat.
look it is no secret that i wanted russ....but so far in my book he sucks and he has a ways to go...i never seen so many overthrows in my life...and i hear he hasnt done much yet in camp, so i hope he gets better...since i wanted him i am hard on the guy, but i will give him 2 more seasons....after that, then to hell with him.
your paranoia is in da right spots...and yeah you are right, our backs will do their jobs, it's da others we worry about, lol.
your last note about fargas was so wel written i cried like a bioch, lol...
i won't add to it...peace maun and are ya still working awt?...how is da weather?
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Ha Ha believe what you want man. If I got to play ball against Kode or Lebron I wouldn't expect to win, but I would still have fun. You're one of those guys who can't even enjoy the moment unless your winning. Sure I'm upset that I was in the lead and lost it, but these guys are so much better than me that I wasn't even expecting to have a shot at winning it all. I just wanted to make sure I played well so our team would win.
I don't have faith in our OL or our QB. I think our line has gotten better, but when teams mask blitzs there is confusion and a break down in the blocking. Russell doesn't read the defense well enough to identify and let the linemen know and he doesn't seem to pick up on it himself which leaves him a sitting duck.
I'm a fan of blocking as well man. No team gets very far without it. Similar to what I have been saying a lot falls on Russell. There were times last year where he had ample time and he couldn't find a target. Call it what you wish.... no one was open or whatnot. His decisions need to be made faster. I have seen him with time and he rushes to throw the ball out of bounds when there wasn't a lineman 5 yards to him. The more I think about it the more I think that Russell makes the line look worse than it is.
I'm not going to argue about Bey. I didn't like the pick either and I still scratch my head when thinking about it.
Ha Ha I won't argue about our SS either. I had been telling you about that when everyone was giving Stu crap. Its a Major flaw in our D.
Russell has to prove himself this year man. Make no mistakes, if he hasn't improved by our bye week there is going to be a lot of talk about him being replaced. If were drafting again in the top 5 next year I wouldn't be surprised to see him out. He has missed time for his own problems and its his duty to make sure he improves. You have to have the will to play your best at the level, and it doesn't look like he has that right yet.
Ha Ha sorry man, didn't mean to make you cry. LOL
I messed up my wrist a while ago so I can't lift all that much anymore. There is some permanent damage there so sometimes I can lift and other times I can't. I do a lot of cardio. I run usually 3 miles 3 times a week and I'll to a 2.5 mile canyon run on the treadmil and I have arm and ankle weights when I do that one. How is your lifting going?
Damn man it has gotten hot here early! It was 105 on Sunday and 100+ on Saturday. Its been in the mid 90s the rest of the week. We had one of those heat storms which isn't very common here. I'm sure you guys have those often out there. Where the clouds roll in and there is a ton of lightning and its still 80+ degrees out. Ha Ha it was pretty cool though.
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very, i "have" to win....i enjoy winning as much as i enjoy jacking off, hahahahahahahaha!!!!!.....mmkay where was i?...lollll.....
you are right about russ...he doesn't have a great set of coaches and as long as he is a raider he will have a lame duck coach as long as al is here, if i was a coach i would be hard on russ....i really would.
to be even more honest, after every good play oakland makes, i expect them to f__K up 2 more times, and they almost always do...lol....
well i think it's even....when you hike da ball and a liebacker hits the qb in like 2 seconds because he was unblocked, that was the lines fault...or running backs for not blicking, but fargas is our best blocker by far...he knocks da hell out of lb's....but you have times when it's the wr's who really aren't getting open...then sometimes it's russ, lol...it's all of them...they would break the raider wr's down on film on nfl network and show them not getting open...literally.
i agree on bey maun....x can say what he wants, he called it, but at first he wanted laurinitis, lol...don't believe me?..click here below...and after you read his leadoff post, scroll down and look at what he said in his very next post....this was in december....he never not once mentioned bey at all....it's because he didnt know who he was....this is the best proof i could possibly find on anyone in my lifetime on this site....so t say he flip floppped was an understatement...only laurinits 40 time is why he flip fopped and went to bey, lol....check it awt.
http://forums.contracostatimes.com/topic/2009-the-raiders-select-james-laurinaitis-with-pick-and-why
yeah you warned me about our s...lol...stu hasn't done anything since he left so he prolly realy sucks, but after gibril i figured i owed you an apology, lol.
dude you are injury prone, lol...if you were in da nfl, you would have to rip yourself, lol...
after my surgery i concentrated on nothing but dumbells....but in da process my body has became weak when it comes to barbells, lol....so now i am trying to do more barbells and get back to what i used to lift...i do cardio 3 times a week...and a lot of squats...lol...i squat 275lbs and give me about a month and i wll be around 325lbs....i don't think about my shoulder and it's a good thing....if i think about it, it means it's hurting.
the hottet it's gotten here so far has been 92....but it's been around 87 to 90 degrees out here...a cool front came in earlier in da week and we only had a high of 81 and a low of 61....but that shiot is about to end...it's gonna get realy hot sooner or later...peace
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Ha Ha wow man, didn't need to know all that! Everyone enjoys winning man! I'm not saying that I'm saying that it was still fun to get out and play with a good group of people.
After looking at Russell I would blame more on him than the coaches. Sure, our coaching staff isn't exactly blistering with talent, but you can't coach someone who isn't willing to learn. Not saying that Russell doesn't want to learn, just saying that he seems lazy and doesn't take time to get better. QBs have much more work to do on their own than any other position and Russell has to except that.
I know its a mix of the OL the WRs and the QB I know that. I'm sticking to my guns on this one though, if Russell picks up his play we win more football games. The last two games of the season he picked up his game and we were much better for it. Its not college football anymore where Russell can go out and man handle just about every player.
Ha ha I don't care who called the DHB thing. It doesn't matter to me who called it or who didn't or who had inside info about him or whatever. It was a reach and I don't agree with it and to me thats all that matters. ha Ha I'll shut my mouth if he becomes a great player for us and I'll be the flip flopper.
I'm not sticking up for Stu anymore, however to his credit he was playing for the Lions..... enough said. I don't know that Wilson is going to be that much better in Miami. We will wait and see.
Ha ha no its the same injury I had a while ago. I also don't have the same money and doctors that these pro's do so I don't expect to fully recover. I probably should have gotten pins put into my wrist but my insurance won't cover it and I'm not taking it out of pocket. Your right though... I do rip myself cause its a bit frustrating.
Glad the shoulder is better man! Ha Ha sounds like you need to get back into shape. LOL.
I hate hot weather man! I need to move somewhere mild in the summer time. Ha ha we didn't even have a spring here in terms of nice 70 degree weather! It went from winter to a few days in the 60s-70s to about a week in the 90-100s and then back to the 70s for about a day and then back to the 90s. I don't believe in the global warming non sense, but I'm starting to believe Ha Ha.
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hell he is one of the few who won the commitment to excellence award 2 years in a row...
- The Future
yes again he's the only guy giving it his all every week. and llamas in here constantly calling for him to be traded? only an idgit would want him gone
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only the dumbest mofo on earth would get rid of the ONE guy that goes ALL OUT every single game
last year was horrible play calling, no blocking, just send the guy up the gut every play, without a FB. he does it. doesn't complain.
Bush wouldn't last ONE GAME playing Fargas' role you dolt = "Future"!!! LEARN THE GAME.
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http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Scottie33Pippen&view=videos
this guy is all dedicated to scottie pippen....he has like damn near 50 vids of 10 minute increments with all pippen highlights if certain games....say for example if the bulls played on TNT against the bucks....let's say if pippen had 27 points, 8 boards, 7 assists, 3 steals, and 2 blocks mmkay?.....well the 10 minute vid has all of those highlights...every stat he has is a highlight on da vid...now he does have a few jordan shots and kukoc and rodman and such, but he focuses on pip the whole time...
when you look at all his highlights without jordan interrupting, you really see how good scottie was....he would just take over a game unlike any players i ever saw with his all around game maun....you will love it....thank god scottie was my fav, lol...peace
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Ha Ha i know Pip was your fav. He was an awesome player man. We had talked about him in the past. I have tons of respect for Pippen cause he could have been the man in Chicago if Jordan wasn't there and yet he didn't mind the backseat. You watch how good that guy was and how humble he is, its pretty amazing the amount of character he has.
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so i take it you didn't at least watch one vid?...lol.
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one vid of what?
Ha ha and thanks for replying to my whole message LOL
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there wasn't much to respond to on that post, lol...i sent you a link to a vid and i wanted to know if you watched it....that guy has a lot of pippen shiot on there...i felt like i should hjave been paying him at one point for all the shiot he had on there.
hey, spin doctors kick [bleep], lol....hey maun the cavs are not playing well...not lebron's fault, because his team ain't helping him at all....mo williams sucks...i have never liked him and his sorry guarantee proved me right about him...peace
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I haven't had a chance to watch it. I have seen tons of vids on Pippen though so its not that big of a deal.
Cavs finally finished one out. Almost blew that one last night. Lebron once again had a triple double. That kid is the most impressive I have ever seen. I'm not going to compare him to MJ or any of those guys just yet cause they were all pretty damn amazing in their times, but Lebron can do it all. He is carrying that team and he makes everyone better around him. He'll take the game winner or if he doesn't have the shot he will pass the ball. No one in the game right now has his abilities. Ha Ha what about those Lebron/Kobe commercials! Ha ha spent tons of money on those and both could miss it. I hope the Nuggets win man.
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well you should be one pissed off individual, lol....i predicted the lakers would win and they did and i thought lebron would win it and they are awt of there!!!!!....
lebron can't do it by himself tho and sorry [bleep] mo williams could not act on his guarantee...i hate tha guy.
lakers will win it all in 7....dude you live in cali, why would not go for da lakers?...explain that to me please...lebron can do it all, but his defense isn't "shut-down" like pippen's was....but lebron is a very goos backside defender....peace
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Ha ha I'm not pissed. I'm not that big of a basketball fan in the first place. I just like Lebron and like watching him play.
I'm hoping the Magic will take out the Lakers! I'm from California and I like the sorry arse Sacramento Kings and the Lakers would always oust the Kings from the playoffs.... again, this is when the Kings were good. Magic have Hedo who used to be a King and I like Dwight. Rooting for the Lakers to me would be like a Raider fan rooting for the Patriots.
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lebron is a great guy maun, but kobe is the winner, lol...i really hope he wins one without shaq...
i thought the kings were mmkay when they had mitch richmond...i liked him back then.
so i say lakers in 7...we will see....hey we have a 40 percent chance of rain today....what about you guys?
i had yesterday off, matter of fact, they are making us take mandatory vacations around here so i have the next 4 more tuesdays off, lol....peace
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kobe rapist will not win. Dwight is the better man.
shut up about hoops in this forum, this is RAIDERS FORUM punks! geez if not fantasy football its hoops or jumping up and down about talking to an espn hack. gee, wow
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I can't stand Kobe. We'll see if he is a winner. They looked damn good last night.
I think everyone is saying Lakers in 7. I don't really understand why people think that. I had thought the game would go 5 but well see.
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why is it that when i meet people they always tell me that they don't like kobe?...why?...the guy is a winner and is the main guy responsible for helping the lakers get there...without him you guys would not be in the championship, lol..i like the guy...always have...he is a winner and he is gonna get that ring..
if you don't like him now, then you really won't like him with another ring then...people dont like winners i see...dawg they will win this ring and i said 7 games, but it looks more like 5 at this point...either way i want them to win it...peace
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"without him you guys would not be in the championship" What do you mean, "you guys"? I have never been a laker fan. Just cause you live in Texas doesn't mean you like every team from there does it? Kobe is an [bleep]hole man. He is a good ball player, I'll give him that, but that team lives and dies by him. He is a ball hog and a cry baby. He gets what? 3-4 assists a game? He'll probably get the ring and I don't care. I'm not a big basketball fan, I just don't like the Lakers and I don't like Kobe.
Just cause he wins another ring doesn't mean I'm going to dislike or like him anymore. "people dont like winners i see..." Ha ha that is probably the dumbest thing you have said... Really? So are you saying that you like Bill Belichick? And you're a Steelers Fan as well cause they are winners? There is nothing wrong with disliking people and teams. Its perfectly natural. I know Kobe is a good player, doesn't mean I have to like him.
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well i said "you guys" because you live in cali, you moron...lol...
Just cause you live in Texas doesn't mean you like every team from there does it?
yeah that's true, lol...i hate the cowboys...and there are nothing but cowboys here at radio one one which pisses me off to the fullest...good thing they lost last year.
yeah kobe averaged 4.9 assists a game this year in regular season...he led his team in that category....i do believe he is doing better in that category in da playoffs....so he does pass the ball...he usually passes in the first half, only to light it up in da 2nd.
i don't see him as a ball hog, he takes the same amount of shots per average as plenty of other nba stars frm back in the day....i mean hell look at how many shots lebron took in the last series, he would not even pass the ball int he 4th qtr in some of the games he lost...but i like the guy tho...
well it depends on how you interpret what i said....some people really don't like winners, like if it's one guy who wins that i hate to a "t" is brady...maun i hate that guy....it's something about him that when i see him on tv winning i want to go to new england and fight his [bleep]....
so yeah some don't like winners...i bet there are people who want to see t.o. win, michael vick win...hell what about our own, al davis....so that is what i meant.
i like kobe and i want him to win so his critics can "not" like him even more.
like you, lol....i don't see his arrogance either...he seems more humble than people give him cred for...but you see him more than i do in cali so you know better...peace.peace
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Ha ha well no matter what you say its not going to change my opinion of Bryant. He is no doubt one of the best players in the league, but I'm not a fan of his.
The guy stays out of the media for the most part (aside from the whole Colorado rape thing) I have just never been a fan of his. He wanted to be the guy in LA and had them get rid of Shaq and then he wasn't happy with the coaches so they got rid of Jackson and then when Kobe realized that he needed guys like that he wanted Jackson back and wanted other guys around him. He thought he was bigger than he was. He thought he was bigger than the team and basically said if they don't go I will. I don't respect people like that. I dislike T.O. for the same reasons, talented football player, but he can't do it all himself.
Damn man its a slow time of year! Exciting because of NBA and NHL championships, but slow in terms of football. Have to wait till training camp which is what? July 29th or something? Ha ha going to be rough.
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mmkay, my bad, he averaged 8 assists a game, lol...just found out yesterday....the got got another ring, no one can say anything about him...he is a winner....i remember when kats thought he was dead after shaq left and he tanked for that one year, lol...
well at least one of my fav sports figures are winning....
'cuz oakland damn sure ain't about to win no time soon.
in your explanation of kobe it makes a lot of sense but it doesn't matter much to me because every player has a story to tell...that why him winning means a lot to his fans, he has been thru ups and downs, but right now it's "up"...but for me that isn't enough to dislike a guy i mean c'mon, i like jerry porter for crying out loud, lol.
yeah t.o. is a crybaby but i do like the guy, lol.
i don't watch hockey, with the exception of the fights....not even a big nba guy, but i love kobe dawg...he is a winner....he is getting old tho....he should play for 2 more years then leave...peace
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I can say whatever I want about the guy. Just cause he wins doesn't mean I have to like him. I never said he wasn't a good ball player. And no he averages 4.6 assists for his career and almost 5 per game last year. He had eight assists last night.
Ha ha anytime one of your favorite players or team wins it mean a lot to the fans.
I'm not a bit NBA fan either. Kobe has more than enough years left in him. I don't know that he will stay around as long as other guys, but he can still play and he is what? 30?
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not Kobe Kobe Kobe.....ridiculous! NO WAY would they have won this time around w/o Coach Jackson!
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you sound like a guy who is upset that your prediction was wrong...fitting.
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he averaged 8 assists for the playoffs your numbnut...
i keep hearing kobe is arrogant, but hell, my favorite owner was at one time considered the most arrogant nfl owner out there...so that doesn't matter much t me...but i am glad kobe won....i wish i had had him on my houston team...peace
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Ha Ha first off man, get your facts right if you're going to call me numbnut. He averaged 5.5 assists in the playoffs. And second, I could give two shiots about who won the game cause I don't care for either team. Last year in the super bowl since the Raiders weren't there I didn't really care who won either, I just sided with the Cards, its not like I'm going to lose sleep over it.
Again man, you have your opinion and I have mine. We don't have to like the same players. Just cause a guy is a good player doesn't mean I have to like him. I'm sure you can talk to other people who don't like Kobe.
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in the finals he averaged 7.4 assists per game...numbnut....which means he passed the ball.
i'm not trying to get you to like kobe....i could care less if you like him or not...i was just talking to ya...
apparently you didn't want the guy t win anything because you picked the other team to win, but what's done is done....but i am not trying to get you to like the guy...you and i really don't like the same players anyway to begin with.
hell we don't even agree most of the time on the raiders....
conversation is over...spark up another subject...i won't speak on anything until you do.
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ValleyR8r,
I normally wouldnt get into a conversation but since I've been getting emails about this post and I'm a Laker fan I'll jump in. I completely understand you not liking Kobe and the Lakers. I also understand Future when he says people don't like winners. Being from up north you had to have seen the Lakers dominate the Sacramento Kings for a few years. Most Kings fans hate the Lakers and Kobe for that. Future is trying to say that when people win other people try to beat them down because they're envious. I'm not saying this is you but it's very common. It's like when chicks see really hot chicks they have to pick something out about them and say "oh my God did you see how big her nose was"? Nope I just noticed how hot her a**, t*t*, and face were and how short her skirt was.
Now onto the other part. Kobe did not chase Shaq out of town. He didnt fight to keep him here but he didnt chase him away. In the 2004 Finals Kobe should have gotten Shaq more involved but Shaq was also out of shape and barking about wanting 30 million a year. Buss didnt want to pay him that so he traded him. Shaq promptly took less money to resign with Miami and got in the best shape he had been in years. Kobe was a bit irritated that Shaq didnt get into shape and consistantly get ready for the season. He also got tired of hearing it was all about Shaq. I am a huge Laker fan and a Kobe fan but he is a pretty polarizing person. I still wish Shaq would have stayed though.
Phil did have some issues with Kobe as are pointed out in his book but he wouldnt have come back if he hated Kobe. He left because he wasnt appreciated. When Rudy T. came in the next year and couldnt win it made Phil look a lot smarter. Kobe realized he had a better chance to win with Phil. Phil Jackson doesnt get enough credit for adjustments in between games and after the half. He's not a huge motivator during the game but his guys are prepared and control their own destiny.
Before the Finals Kobe said he'd be happy with one more championship. That shows how tough he thinks the league is right now. He respects Lebron, Wade, Carmelo, Howard, and others. I never heard him say a word back to Shaq about "how's my a** taste? Never heard him say anything after Phil said he was uncoachable. He also lets his teammates stand out during interviews like the parade. I agree with Future when he says he's more humble than people give him credit for. There is a thin line though but I can think of a lot more arrogant players than Kobe. He's rediculously confident and it borders on arrogance but how are you supposed to be confident you can beat the best unless you feel like that?
That's why Kobe is compared to Michael because when Jordan was playing people couldnt stand him. I'm a huge Laker fan and hated to see him take over where Magic Johnson left off. My brother loves Jordan. I used to root against him but by the end I couldnt help but respect him for taking work ethic to another level. But some people feel he's arrogant for thinking he could take time off to go play baseball and I hear he's a lousy tipper.
Now let's talk about Fantasy Football so Utalk2Much can really start crying.....
Peace!!
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I'm not too concerned with the Bey/Mitchell/Murphy injuries. They say they were just a little strained. However, Cable seems like a "you need to watch and learn first" type of coach and he just wants to work them into the pace. Remember Bill Parcells when he made Terrance Newman earn his star? Or it's possibly a learning experience from the Arman Sheilds situation, which by the way really worries me with his health. This guy was supposed to be big for us. Now he's beginning to remind me of Carlos Francis.
As far as JR is concerned, it's no secret that I wanted Calvin Johnson over Russell as I wasn't convinced in Russell or Quinn that year. I did think that Russell was the best QB available and must add, he does have very impressive talents, but just didn't feel like he was a star QB. So far, I still don't, but it's still too early to tell. He should start breaking out this year, but we still need to address the Oline. It's not good enough yet. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but again, until that line is solid, we'll never know.
Concerning Bey, X and several others were very happy over this pick. I can say, I was not one of those who was very happy. I'm still not. He wasn't best available, his position wasn't one of the top needs (OL, DL, S). One of my biggest concerns with him was exactly that, his hands. I felt we should have taken Eugene Monroe, sorry I don't buy into Barnes, who struggled with protection and penalties last year, then Henderson shows promise, but can he keep it up. Pears is questionable, Green is like 37 years old and Carlisle is getting up there too. I'm happy with Gallery and Satalle right now. But right now, it's not a good situation for our backs, Russell, or our receivers. I'm hoping Bey/Walker/Schillens/Higgins/Murphy/Shields, Russell, McFadden/Bush/Fargas all become superstars, but I'm a firm believer in developing your core, your protection first. Without them, we'll never know how much of a star guys like Bey will/could become. I'm really hoping Barnes and Henderson surprise me, I really do and I hope Bey becomes a probowl rookie along with a few others.
Although I have concern, I think we have a good shot at taking the division this year if everything works out. I'm really excited to see this Mitchell guy and Tyvon Brancy play!
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yes Eugene Monroe who Del Rio was very smart to grab right after we passed.
BJ Raji otherwise would have been good.
if we needed WR we could have made a move on Tory Holt. a proven WR.
heck Crabtree at least would have brought 100x the excitement as the Bey pick.
very weak division so you may be right
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Garcia is good for Russell in some ways but it could turn ugly. Garcia has those two qualities that I've felt Russell has lacked. Also, if Russell loses his confidence or gets hurt Garcia will be more than happy to play. This is the negative side of Garcia being here. He has already said "It's not an easy role to accept because of the competitive nature that is within me,". Then he followed up by saying "It's about understanding your role, and I understand what I have come into with this team,".
The first and most important quality Garcia can help Russell with is intensity. Russell seriously lacks this quality a lot of the time. The good thing is I have seen him show flashes of it. This is Garcia's best quality. When he's on the field he's all business. If Russell can learn how to make every snap count then the rest will just fall into place.
The second is consistancy. I watched Russell go through stretches last year where he threw the ball 10 yards over the receivers head and fumbled snaps. I've also watched him go through stretches where he threw the ball so perfect that I was stunned. 50 yards down the field and in between two defenders. I believe his accuracy suffers when he loses his focus and intensity.
Russell doesnt even have to struggle for this to turn out badly. If Russell fails to work as hard as Cable or Garcia feel he should then there will be some drama. I think bringing Jeff Garcia here was a great idea and the best thing for Russell. Too bad it might not work out the way we all hope, which is to make Russell reach his potential. That won't be Garcia's fault, that will be because Russell didnt have the desire.
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face the music.
garcia is here to light a fire under russells arse which won't happen so he'll become the starter.
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Leave it to you to reference facing music to see an odor.
ThanX (I think but, my ears are clogged so I don't know),
Sir P
PS. It could be the pigs and llamas you've been porkin' causing that smell. You will have to keep your eyes open for that one. Try leaving your zipper down and walking backwards and don't forget to stop and hear the roses.
PSS. Committedmint Too Eggsolints =!!!!
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Ucry2Much,
Are you going to come on here and admit you're wrong when Russell plays well this year? Probably not, you'll just change your screen name again and pick another player to hate on.