Posted on Saturday, 3/08/2008 - 8:59 a.m. PST — by guesswhoIam
I really wish the Oakley PD would find something constructive to do with their time instead of pulling people over for stupid offenses! We bought my uncle's truck for my son when he graduated from High School last June. My uncle became disabled after a heart surgery and can no longer drive. He had a really hard time parting with his baby, a 92 Chevy Silverado pickup, so we decided to buy it to "keep it in the family". It is lowered, with a custom bumper so it kind of forces my son to drive slow (I like that!). Anyway, yesterday my son left home to go to class at LMC, got about a block from the house out on Big Break Rd and got pulled over. The police were very obnoxiuos to him asking in a very condescending tone if he knew why he got pulled over. He said he did not, and they said it was because he didn't have a front license plate. They then started questioning him if he was on probation!! He said no, and they said (again in a very threatening manner) that they were going to check and he better not be lying. While they were checking his record he called me. I told him the license plate HAD to be in that truck somewhere and to look for it. He found it under the seat so I told him when the police came back to the truck to show it to them and ask him where he should have it displayed since there is not mount for it on the front bumper. Needless to say, they were not very helpful. Apparently we have to figure out a way to mount it. It's funny, my elderly uncle drove this truck every day for 15 years and never got pulled over for not having a front license plate on the front bumper!!
I checked, and yessiree we all have to have front license plates permanently affixed to the front bumper. OK, no problem, we will take care of it and get the ticket signed off. What annoys the heck out of me, is the neighbor down the street and his teenage son can sell marijuana out of their house for years now and the Oakley PD doesn't have a clue to what is going on. Every teenager at Freedom High School knows where to go for pot and our street is like the drive thru at Jack in the Box on a Saturday night! But my son is minding his own business trying to further his education and he gets treated like that. Wake up OPD, lets start busting these people for some serious offenses.
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I know what you mean...I had the police called on us because my son and his friends were TPing my daughters car in our driveway.. Oh and also I got a ticket for parking 1/2 way on side walk and 1/2 on the street....I parked there for appx. a month until I got that ticket. and the reason I parked that way is because we live on a very narrow street. And yes the Oakley PD is rude, ignorant and full of S_ _T. Go after the real crime and let us live...thanks....
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Though you are right it might be petty for OPD to give you a ticket it is in the vehicle code that you can not park on a sidewalk. I'm sure, like most departments, OPD asks their officers to write several parking citations a months and you seem to be one of the lucky ones.
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Let me get this straight, the police come because they think that someone is vandalizing your car and you complain? Then you park on the sidewalk(which is illegal), and complain? Maybe your neighbors called them for parking on the sidewalk because it made the neighborhood look ghetto? No wonder you don't like the police, they probably don't like you either as all you do is complain.
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Yeah, and has he ever heard of the "Americans with Disabilities Act"? It's actually those people that put the pressure on police to ticket those kinds of offences... not some sort of quota like all these ignorant f**** think on here.
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"And yes the Oakley PD is rude, ignorant and full of S_ _T."
You kind of sound like a Charm School drop out yourself, Tom. Please consider that our beautiful police department enforces all the laws, not just the ones you like.
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Boy if I had a nickle for every time I heard that the such and such police departmtent is picking on my kid. Has anyone ever thought what did the kid do to attract attention to himself?
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And a couple of weeks ago my friend's 19 year old son was on his way to work when he was pulled over on Vintage Parkway for a "Hollywood stop"........by 5 Oakley PD!!! FIVE police cars to make one traffic stop in a residential neighborhood?? Come on, don't you think that's a little bit of overkill? I guess we should be thankful he didn't get tasered.
I do honestly believe they are targeting teenagers in hopes of catching them doing something else. There were 2 officers (one Oakley PD and one Sheriff) in my son's incident and they were on each side of the truck peering into it, obviously looking for something. I'm not saying the ticket wasn't legit, but the infraction was just an excuse to check him out a little further. I'll bet they were disappointed he was clean as a whistle. I wish they would check out my neighbor, that would really make their day!!
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guess- You said the ticket was an EXCUSE to pull him over....EXACTLY! Do you not know how many little punks there are running around this area? The probation check is the first thing that they are going to ask. Why?? Because there are so many little punks who are on probation in the area. The DA does nothing to the kids who commit crimes except put them on probation. Wait until you read or hear that the OPD or any other local police agency pulls over a group of kids in a car and they all have guns. I bet you won't be complaining then. My advise is this, put the license plate on the truck, explain to your son that the police were doing a good thing by pulling him over for a moving violation, and DEAL WITH IT. Not a very good example to be setting for your teenager to have him feeling like the cops are out to get him. He broke the law and he was stopped because of it. If he is doing nothing wrong, the police will never bother him. Also, how many times have you called OPD to report the suspicious activity in your neighborhood? How about taking pictures or a video? How about writing down all of the different license plate numbers of the cars there and helping the police put a little? You sound a lot like a disgruntled parent, more then you do someone who is being harrassed by the police.
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It's a fix it ticket, put the plate on pay $10 bucks or whatever it is now and go on your way. There is a good reason for the missing front plate stops and, it came from the state a few years back, RED LIGHT CAMERAS, AND FASTRAK VIOLATIONS, they all take pictures of the front of the car, since you have to be able to ID the driver it makes no sense to take a picture of the back. I agree with Cleanantioch, instead of complaining about the police doing nothing and or picking on our kids, why not step up and do what is right to take back our neighborhoods and call the police no one can do it alone, there are about 38,000 people in Oakley and 27 cops who do you think has a better handle on what is going on in the nighborhoods the cop who might have time to drive through once or twice a day or the people who live there and see what is going on? Do we want Oakley to have the problems that Antioch has or do we want to get a handle on it before it gets that way. Know your neighbors know who belongs and who dosen't lookout for one another, and call the cops when you see something not right, this is our town, do what is right to keep it.
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Bravo! Excellent comment.
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First of all, I don't appreciate you telling me what a bad parent I am. Unless your name is Benjamin Spock, then you have no right to tell me what I'm doing wrong. My son is not the drug dealer and thief that lives down the street from me. He's a good kid that is going to college, so I must have done something right.
Second, I never said he shouldn't have received the ticket. We honestly didn't know when we bought the vehicle that it wasn't legal. We will fix it now, no problem. What I had issues with was the way they treated my son. There was no reason to talk to him the way they did. I have done alot of community service with kids, mostly teenagers (God, how many kids have I damaged since I'm such a terrible parent!). I have found that just like anybody else, you have to give respect to others and treat them like you would like to be treated. You would think the local police would like to build a good rapport with the local teenagers. Kids are alot more open and honest with adults if they feel comfortable around them. The way the kids are sometimes treated make them resent the police.
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One question....were you in the vehicle during this contact with the police officer?
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No, but I was on the phone with him and heard everything.
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Part of the negative reaction you are getting, (from me at least) is your use of inflammatory words to describe your plight. "Hollywood stop"........by 5 Oakley PD!!! ______ So? Whether it was 1 or 5 patrol cars, I wouldn't presume to know what the PD was thinking at that moment. And was it really worth 3 exclamation marks. "I guess we should be thankful he didn't get tasered"__________ Now what’s that suppose to mean to the rest of us reading your complaint? Your starting to lose me. :)
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people that drive around in customized cars are looking for attention from everyone they pass while driving...don't tell me that's not true otherwise why would you customize a car! So when your car is more easily noticed by anyone, especially a police officer who can observe things like no front plate (a common practice of criminals so that the car they are driving cannot be identified when see from the front -or back depending on which direction you are in-, especially if it is stolen) then you cry profiling. How about when you spend all that time and money customizing your car, you make the extra effort to make sure everything is LEGAL...that way you don't have to cry when you have to change your cool neon lights back out to stock ones or cry when you have to drill a hole in the front bumper to attach the license plate DMV gave you for a reason: To place it on your vehicle!
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Sometimes I think you just have to be in a car that looks nice. My oldest son (clean cut strait a student) was driving a nicer car and was pulled over going to liberty one morning. (he was 17 at the time +- 10 yrs ago) He was pulled over because one of the other kids in his car on their way to school had a mohawk. Judged by looks alone. The bwd police pulled them over made them put their hands on the car and searched it finding nothing. My son was extremely upset and wanted me to pursue the incident with the bwd pd. I explained to him that life is about choosing battles worth the end result. I made the choice not to pursue it due to the fact that my likelyhood of success was pretty small. Unfortunatly we all make quick judgements regarding people when we see them and sometimes what we see in our eyes, isn't what really is. Cops can be wrong as well as right.
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mornsky-
The police made what they call a felony or a high risk stop if they asked the kids to put their hands out of the windows. This is not something they do because someone has a mowhawk. It is inconvenient to go through all of that crap for the officer to. The officer was most likely looking for a serious criminal or a similar vehicle that was used in a serious crime. Officers do that for their own safety, not because a kid has a mowhawk. Your right that cops can be wrong, but that seriously doesn't sound like they did anything wrong.
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Clean,
Hands on the car not out the window. It was enough years back when bwd pd had its own problems within its own force. The police felt the car was stolen. (it wasn't and my son showed them the registration) then the cop wanted to know where he got such a nice car. They found nothing, my son and his friends went on their merry way. They may have made a judgement call that was wrong, or whatever. The point I was making is that we all base everything on Looks. We are all guilty.
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I know first hand that the police do not target people driving nice cars, actually the opposite. The most commom stolen cars are not BMWs, Porsches or Mercedes. Honda, Toyota and Saturns are the most common stolen cars. Usually the early to mid 90's models. Even you could start one with a butter knife. If your son had done nothing wrong then why are you so worried. Maybe the police had a report of a similar stolen car or suspicious vehicle. The bad guys make changes to cars all the time so not to be detected. If you did nothing wrong then don't worry.
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I'm sitting here cracking up at how things get read. I'm not what-so-ever worried. This happened over 10 years ago. This kid is now a IDC in the navy going for his PA. license. Ain't a hill of beans anymore...The point I was making is that we make judgement calls based on appearance all the time. We look at a persons appearance and surroundings and form a opinion on the person. I didn't say the police target people driving nice cars, I said my son was with some colourful characters, and the police wanted to know where he got such a nice car.
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Mornsky, I get your point, I know you are not dogging the Oakley Police you are simply stating that in this world today we are most times judged by our appearance. I must saw I am guilty of doing the same. I often see someone and based on their appearance, I make a judgment about them and I know that is wrong. I think that people were reading the article and missing the point. Also congrats to your son for his accomplishments in the Navy.
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I'd never dog the oakley pd. I admire the courage they have to do their job. As a teen, you get pulled over, searched, you will get over it. Unfortunatly we don't live in a pollyanna society. Teens and their parents may feel outraged but thats life. Get over it and move on. Do whatever you need to do to prevent the same situation from repeating itself. My friends son and his friends are enough to scare most people. LOL First time I met them I thought oh lordy (a little more explicit then that) But really....their just nice kids. They just look ruff. My initial judgement was wrong. as soon as someone looks out of what we consider the norm, we are all guilty.
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I think everyone missed the point on this....Having a mohawk in Brentwood should be grounds for a car stop and having a mullet should be a felony!
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well probably not much on his way to LMC going to school.
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My 2 cents-
Oakley PD seems to be a proactive police department, working hard to find arrests. Occasionally they'll be off base and question a good kid about whether or not he's on probation.
My comment about the situation is this. Look a few miles away to the town of Antioch, where people complain that the police aren't doing enough. Would you rather live is a safe community and have a police force that stops a lot of cars, occasionally delaying your son, or a community where the police do the minimum and you fear getting shot going to the grocery store?
I'll take the safer community with the aggressive police force.
I'll add this also. Sometimes kids lie to their parents.
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yep.. blind parents who dont want to think for one second their kid is not 100% perfect..
sad but true..
oakley pd are very respectfull police.. and they have bad days too......
get over it and get on with your life.
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hello,im new to this forum. You are right on about Oakley being safer and the citizens should appreciate that, Although I think that APD is doing an awesome job. there is just so much stuff going on there that it is hard to keep up with. You know kind of like getting rid of one cockroach but there are plenty more that come back.
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There is good and bad in all of us. It would be silly to assume that every person in Oakley PD has perfect intentions and doesn't have an attitude, just like it's silly to assume that our kids always tell us the truth about what they are up to. It's unfortunate that your son caught the attitude that day. But I wouldn't take it personal. Maybe the cops didn't have to have all that attitude, but I'm sure they deal with a lot of shady kids. I agree with mornsky. Maybe he was talked to that way because he was young and it was assumed that he was up to no good. But unless they were completely out of line with him, I would just try to let it roll off your back. People give eachother attitude all the time. Respect and being courteous to others is not a priority in our society anymore. It's easier not to fuss about it, less stress for you and your son at least, because I'm sure the cops are not going to change their attitudes.
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I usually give the police the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. If some officer's record of citizen complaints is trending way upwards, then management is going to have to address the problem. The Police have a tough job. They have to deal with argumentative lawbreakers all day. "Your going to give me a ticket for a missing license plate......?" I got snotty with a Concord police officer many years ago for a failure to yield citation. I regret that now. He was right and I was wrong.
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Sit outside any school, preferably your own kids school, where they can't see you, and watch their behavior as they come out of school. I'm willing to bet you will be amazed at what these kids do when they think no one is watching. This goes for the way they drive too. The cops are doing their job...doesn't matter if you say "not my kid", the cops don't know that your kid is perfect. And surprise....he/she probably isn't.
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Hello,
Often, when there is serious crime going on in a particular area, one of the most effective ways to subvert and stop it is with (strict) traffic enforcement. Yes, there are some whom will be caught up in this enforcement whom do not, nor ever have been involved in serious crimes. But statistics show that serious crimes drop considerably when such enforecement takes place, especially drug activity. And last time I checked Oakley had a serious problem with methamphetamine.
Such enforcement has proven effective in Vallejo, Oakland and Richmond. If you obey the law you have nothing to worry about.
Traffic stops are dangerous, especially for the police. I assure you they would rather be out there doing something besides pulling over someone whom did a rolling stop. Next time, instead of complaing because you fractured the law and got caught, obey the law and thank your Oakley Police for being there.
SR Smith CA State Police/CHP Retired
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Yeah- these people complain about the way police are stopping people now?? Haven't they watched the news lately? If they had they would have seen that for a long time the CHP (in particular) were dropping dead like flies doing what, routine TRAFFIC STOPS!! You never know who you are pulling over, no matter if they are driving a nice car or a [bleep], or if they look like a college grad v. a highschool drop-out. It doesn't matter, every stranger is potentially dangerous.
Try being stopped in Mexico with an M16 instead of verbal demands and light bars...
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I'm going to have to agree with some of whats said before when I say that the kid must have been doing something to get himself pulled over. Or, he may have been simply stopped for not having a license plate. It *IS* illegal to not have one, and ignorance is no excuse.
I've been pulled over by Oakley PD for speeding, and I knew I deserved it. I was going 65 in a 45 on the long stretch of Main heading towards the freeway on ramp. I was negligent and lost track of my speed. Yes, I was also in a nice car but I know I was pulled over because of what came up on the officer's speed gun. However, I was courteous and most importantly I showed respect and humility and apologized to the officer and showed no attitude whatsoever. The officer in turn was respectful and in the end let me go about my way with a warning. That doesn't always work, but I know I wouldn't have been so lucky had I not acted the way I did.
Every traffic stop could be dangerous to an officer so the more calm and respectful you are the easier it is for all parties involved.
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oakley pd is there to keep our streets safe and keep things right. if he got stopped, deal with it. fix the dang thing and don't snivle!! if they had stopped someone else for a small infraction and found that person to be a wanted criminal, there woulda been nothing said, except maybe, "good job". let them do what we're paying them for and stop acting like a bunch of babies.
good job oakley pd!! keep up the good work!!
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All i know is when oakley pd arrested me a few years back, i had bruises on my wrists for awhile. They were a mean bunch of guys. Very hot-headed, but what can i say? It wasnt like i was doing anything good
. But still, they're not as corrupt as Antioch PD, i know that much for sure.
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So if you know for sure, I would like to read your facts.
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GuesswhoIam? I guess you are a cop hater. I am sure that "one sheriff" was a rookie on training and the Oakley officer was his Field Training Officer. Therefore, he was doing his job correctly, teaching the trainee all about officer safety, and how you have to expect the worse when you approach anyone because complacency is when officers get killed. And by the tone of you and your family, you would be the exact kind of person to "nut-up" on an officer and cause him or her harm. If you want to live in a lawless society, then move out of the United States. Otherwise, quit your whining and take a look at yourself instead of always blaming someone else for your "misfortunes".
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The sherriff was not a trainee. You cannot drive a car by yourself when you're in training. Anyway, she doesn't know the tone of voice her kid gave the police officer when the stop was made. These people can complain all they want to about the cops giving their kids problems, but let them do it. These little punks are the ones causing the problems. Not all of them do, but a good majority are stirring [bleep] up. I have nothing but respect for Oakley PD, they are a department of good officers. You don't see a lot of big crime here because they have put the fear into the criminals. The cops need to start wrecking shop and cleaning up the garbage that we are seeing slowly moving in from Antioch. It doesn't matter that you were unaware the truck was illegal. Ignorance doesn't make your son innocent.
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Abuse of power is very common in law enforcement. The power goes to their heads. With standards in hiring lowered the cops we knew and "respected" growing up are not the cops "riding dirty on our streets." and abusing the power vested by the people paying their salaries.
Just a few years ago we had the Riders in Oakland, and several undercover cops arrested in San Leandro by their officers while inside a brothel, on the clock at the tax payers expense. All this while confiscated money and drugs???? were left unattended in a parked van. To the naysayers look it all up it was in the Oakland tribune, and the Chronicle. That department is still under Federal receivership, with oversight by the Courts. Just recently another investigation, involving corruption, planting evidence and witness tampering..resulting in millions of dollars in lawsuits against the Department and City involved.
Lowered hiring standards are to blame, the continued...dumbing down of America, for many of the problems we have in Law Enforcement today. Back East P.D's require a 4yr degree in Criminal Science and strict background investigations....ie no relatives in prison, no felons as relatives or friends....., no affiliations with biker gangs.... and no relatives dealing drugs on the CORNER..... In many bay area municipalities, only a G.E.D is required to become a cop. That is why there are so many cases of corruption, abuse of power and assault on civilians by law enforcement officers. The Code of silence among officers still covers up many transgressions......There have been hundreds of cases of abuse right here in the bay area..... Many departments depend and actually pay "criminal informants" to do their dirty work. Enough said on that topic.
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So I guess there has never been any corruption or wrong doing by the police in New York, Boston, Baltimore, or anywhere else back east right?
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My parents don't believe in having the front plate on their cars, they think it's tacky, I remind them of this everytime they get a ticket for not having it on and that they have no right to complain about it because they refuse to follow the law. The same could be said for my mom's old car, which I had been driving for a couple of years 'til it crapped out, I can't even begin to count the times I was pulled over for not having that plate on the front. When she first gave me to keys for the car, I told her I wanted to put the front plate on so I didn't have to deal with getting pulled over, she said no because the chances of me getting pulled over were going to be rare. Well, after the first month of driving it guess what happened? Yep, I got pulled over for no front plate. As the officer was walking up to my car I remember being pissed, but not at the cop, at my mom for causing this to happen. The cop came to my window and asked me if I knew why I was being pulled over, I said the only thing it could be for is no front plate. He said that I was right and asked for my info, while I was giving him all the stuff he needed to run my info with, I told him it was my mother's car and that she refuses to put the plate on; so if he was going to write a ticket for the front plate, could he please put it in her name and not mine (since she'd be paying the ticket). He laughed and said I'll be right back. He checked my record (it was clean of course) and said he was going to give me a warning this time but to let my mother know that the plate needs to be on there. I said what I said to the first cop everytime I got pulled over and never got a ticket for the front plate, but I did let my mom know how irritated I was with her everytime I did. When the car finally crapped out, there was still no front plate on it, nor will there ever be on the rest of their vehicles. My car is the only one with a front plate because I don't want to be bothered unless I'm actually breaking the law...
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The dang problem with the world is we are toooo sensitive! Boo Hoo someone treated me like poo. GET OVER IT! How many times in life will someone try and walk all over you for NO reason what so ever? Cry me a river! Cops HAVE to profile, it's their job. Boohoo they gave you attitude, but how many times have you been pulled over and let go? Not everyone is going to show you complete repsect at all times. And if your kids are being profiled and crying about it tell them to get over it! These little punk kids go and cry to mama and daddy and everything gets taken care of for them... that is why these kids are growing up to be spoiled stupid little brats.
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Kinda agree with the above, but it is really freakin annoying when you get pulled over being a kid... I used to get pulled over all the time out here when I was younger. Being young driving a nice sports car = gettin pulled over all the time by cops... I probably got pulled over 15 times in my Trans Am and only got a ticket once... for unsafe lane change. LOL! I used my signal, I moved over when there was room, but the cop was a dick. Every time I got pulled over I always got asked whether it was my car and when I said yes they asked if it was in my mom or dad's name... when I said mine they always looked at me weird. Not all kids with nice cars are spoiled, some actually work for it. I drive a new Camry now and NEVER get messed with like I did when I was driving sports cars... and I'm still only 21. Oakley cops are just bored I guess. Antioch cops were always way cooler, probably cuz they are used to way worse. haha