Are you for real man? You're right. The Raiders do stink. But you are the one who is delusional if you can't see that Russell is a big part of the problem. Is he the only problem? Not by a long shot. He is a bad quarterback on a bad football team. He needs to be replaced. The only future that the Raiders have with him is more losing.

Later,

Port

On this post do I say whoa sapp is god, no. I typed hall of famer= Michael Irvin is. Former raider =  Warren Sapp was. If you cant stand that your as out of date as the times compared to other websites. I posted that to clearly state that the line was bad like I have been telling you since game 1.

I also told you that this team has been hendered due to Injuries and play calling. If you didnt see Louis murphy and Higgins Run into each other. Then be proud, 1 catch bey has ran just as many bad routes as others. Yeah you only seem happy when i throw people under the bus. Misery loves company.  I still support this team and say nothing but great things about every person on this roster at the end of the day.  Cables Pre-season play calling and Regular season play calling Changed. It went from being Aggressive to being non aggressive at all. If you cant see that. Then your blind, I said crabtree was a diva, but it was before mangini even released a statement about him. I told throne that there was something not right, and the raiders would go foward with bey.

The reason I shouted for laurinaitis was that due to the lack of linebackers with that experience in that area or position i figured he would be around for us to pick. also Due to the fact that both Thomas howard and Kirk morrison are playing on contract years. James is doing well for st. louis by the way.

No one never said anything about crabtree's ability to catch the ball, if thats your arguement then your just posting this to stare up trouble. That statement made no sense what so ever. Fact crabtree is the 49ers problem not ours. We got a player who came in, and signed no problem and is continue to work for us.

Bey showed his hands and abilities, for him to improve he is going to have to work on that. I still support bey, and will continue too.

everyone knows god could fix the raiders, I posted that, and I left because I had to do something.

The Highlight of that post in which i will highlight is that the Raiders need to fix C, RG, RT. If you read some of my post instead of just being out to try and make yah self look good then you would notice that.  You make yourself appear more self centered than any person I have ever responded to.  I got a buddy on another forum, He hated russell and several other players the day they got here.  I told him fargas gives us a chance to win, he yells drown fargas and the camera his dad hides behind. I told him thats not right and give fargas a chance. That sunday Fargas ran for 87 yards on 22 carries. I told him the Raiders just need stability and use what works to win, there Idenity is Running the Ball not russell throwing the ball 30 times behind a make shift line to rookie receivers. 

Like i told him Fargas took almost7 years before he even sniffed the field. Gallery light just came on the year before last.  Huff has had his best first half of a season as a raider. Bey may just take time, we still have a whole 2nd half of the season left.

Thats when I'll release my statements on this team, I told you that before, Im just still addressing the offensive line because I addressed that before the charger game and it only got worse.

have a nice day

X

THE FUTURE

x will never learn his lesson, he doesn't know football like he thinks and he has proven this over and over....he only says what the media says, then if they say anything negative about oakland (the same people) he will say they are just being negative forces of the media.

russ throwing off the back of his foot and passing for picks has nothing to do with the blocking, they have given him time to throw the ball....he is just flat out inaccurate.....if you can't be accurate you may as well not be in da nfl......he has an obsession with being right, when was the last time he was right about any player we know he has represented?....peace

 X,

Dawg - I've seen you take some major heat on this site and haven't been on much, but I have to step in and come at you directly on this Russell issue.  This is long post so get ready.

First, let me give you a quick lesson in statistics.  There is a term in stats called a "moderator variable" and in short a "moderator" is a variable that when added, either intensifies or reduces the known impact of another variable.  So for instance take a person's driving ability.  But if you add a number of "moderators" (so for instance - add high stress, make them multitask, etc) their driving ability goes down. Here is the problem, moderators just exaggerate or buffer the EXISTING ability level.  They don't CHANGE it.  So take another person put them in the same situation and the moderator may not have as much of an effect b/c the person's original ability level is more robust than the impact of the moderator.   In short, sure, the organization sucks, but it is a moderator.  The variable of interest is this assessment is Russell's ability not the moderators (coaches, bosses, etc.) around Russell. Because when you strip those "moderators" away, Russell still has some observable impact (as a variable) that can be measured, assessed, and judged.  

In other words, how has a player like Nam (who I never really liked, but works well for this example) been able to thrive and develop? Isn't he exposed to the same "moderators"?  How about Gallery (who I personally hate, but acknowledge as serviceable)?  Now, before you make an argument that they are not QBs, true.  But first, let me first point out that neither is Sapp, Faulk, Mooch, Irvin, or Sharpe.  But, for sake of argument - let's go there.  Rich Gannon is a QB, played for the same dysfunctional organization, and had the same coordinators in his development.  He did an in-depth breakdown of Russell and his criticisms were skill-set based.  To mirror your argument, why take the opinion of Sapp, Irvin, Faulk, when I could listen to Gannon?  Gannon won't make HOF, but under this "dysfunctional organization" had his best seasons and won a league MVP.  Wouldn't Gannon have a better understanding of what it takes to be an NFL QB for the Raiders than Sapp, Mooch, Faulk, and Irvin?

But better yet, the tape and player history doesn't lie.  Let's look at Russell's LSU history and his tapes.  At LSU (different organization), criticisms of Russell's dealt with coverage knowledge, in game decision-making, poor footwork under center, conditioning, preparation (i.e, film study), and leadership. It's one of the main reasons that he had a difficult time beating out Matt Flynn for the QB job, who had less talent but worked harder in the filmroom, was more consistent, and better conditioning. Now what are Russell's issues here? All of the above but magnified. Why magnified? The moderator (i.e., the organization around him is worse).  But why the same issues? R-U-S-S-E-L-L.  Because that's what he is.    

Look man, the "organization" doesn't have anything to do with coming into camp 20-30 lbs overweight, being fined for missing meetings, or not watching enough tape.  The organization doesn't have anything to do with not having players lined up correctly on the first play of the game, or being able to read Cover 0, 1, 2, 3 coverage.  The organization doesn't have anything to do with playing down to lesser athletically gifted talent (e.g., Flynn at LSU) that is competing for your job.  And the organization doesn't determine your work ethic.  Ryan made BC, Rothlisberger made Miami-O, and Flacco made Delaware.  They didn't do that because the "organizations" or programs made them good, just like Russell isn't performing poorly b/c the "organization" makes him bad.  That's very simplistic IMO and misses the heart of the issue.  At the end of the day, you don't find that Russell is the reason that we win games more often than he is the reason that we lose them. 

Bottom line - "The organization" is a moderator.  And whereas moderators do have impact, you don't blame moderators, b/c all they do is magnify/minimize what is already there.  What's there is a QB that beats people out on raw ability alone and needs both superior talent and coaching (e.g., LSU) to look above average.  But take away that same superior talent and that coaching staff and what you have is Russell (whatever that is).  Unfortunately, for Russell, the Raiders don't have what LSU offered in college and it appears as if Russell needs those type of "moderators" to be successful.

More my problem is the point is why Russell NEEDS those things to be even average.  Russell hasn't shown enough IMO to be considered demonstrably better than journeyman QBs (Gradkowski, Frye, McCown, Brooks, etc.) who played in the same "organization."  That is not the Raiders expected (nor should they) at a #1 overall.  A franchise QB means more than just "a big guy with a big arm", but beyond those attributes what do you see?  And for everything you don't see (e.g., leadership, accountability, etc.) THAT's what you can blame Russell for.

Three things you can count on with Russell on a team: He isn't the hardest worker, never is the most accountable, nor is he the most disciplined.  Franchise QBs have the ability to make the others around them better.  The Ryan example is interesting b/c keep in mind that Matt Ryan didn't walk into a stable organization, in fact quite the opposite.  Yet he thrived because he has more robust attributes as a QB (e.g., discpline) than the organization's detrimental impact could have on him. Ryan came in fresh off of Vick, DeAngelo, and Petrino with a coach and RB that were unproven in the new roles and thrived.  Now look at Russell and what are some differences.  Well, by most accounts Ryan is one of the hardest workers on the team and holds himself accountable for his performance without trying to externalize why he fails (e.g., "a defender crossed his face"; "I don't think it's on me, do you?").  His approach to the game has had a direct positive impact on the progression of players such as Roddy White, who under Harrington and Leftwich was a stunted and inconsistent WR.  Russell's presence has had a positive impact on no one, and in fact you could make an argument it has had a negative impact since they are left to answer "Russell questions" after most games.  Expecting Chaz Schilens to make a dramatic impact on Russell performance clarifies exactly what Russell's value is.  Chaz Schilens wouldn't be a #2 on many teams in this league and if Russell NEEDS Schilens just to escape being sub 50% or under 70 QB rating, it speaks directly to his inability to use weapons that be does have like DMC, Fargas, Bush, Miller, and Murphy all of which have Schilens ability or better.  Taking away one WR shouldn't make a franchise QB tank, b/c if it does it speaks to whether the QB is really the franchise, or is the WR?  

My man - asking a #1 overall to be the best player on your team is an expectation that comes with pick.  By definition, the pick assumes that the organization making the selection is in disarray.  Yet some people thrive (e.g., Manning) and some don't (e.g., Couch).  Some players turn into Calvin Johnson and some turn into Charles Rogers, yet they play for the same organization with similar dysfunction and instability.  Ask yourself, which direction does Russell most look like he’s heading?  But regardless of how you answer that question, you better believe that some blame can be placed on the player.  Stay up.  

I think sapp was talking about Terdell sands, however the point is still the same. T.Kelley has played better ever since the Seymore trade. He still needs to improve more though. The rotation will more than likely be Shillens, Bey , and Murphy. might as well let thoughs guys gell together at this point. Getting Gallery back will be huge also !!! then morris can go back to center and Setele back to the bench where he belongs. See Phillips and merriman getting those sacks up the middle on sunday.

The Barkernator !!!

Brady quinn is at the point where he almost doesnt even be considered as the 2nd string quarterback on a piss poor team that has problems. Quinn couldnt even keep his job, let alone even prove he was decent enought to stay on the field for more than 4 games... At this point you call quinn a bust. Why because he hasnt lead the browns to vitcory in any game he has played. he hasnt even put up the yards russell has here. The browns put Anderson in and generated enough offense to actually win a games than with quinn who hasnt seen first sting snaps since mini camp when anderson was sick.

My point in this whole post is that The Offensive line and the Wide Receivers need more attention than the Quarterback. Let Paul Hackett continue to teach russell, hacket is the quarterback coach. I made a post on Louis Murphy yet he has more drops than bey he also has more production than the maryland product. Bey's production is magnified because he is the #7 pick. ok so. Like I said before, Oakland has had players picked in that same position that are just now starting to produce example michael huff. Bey wont take as long due to the actuall  fact that the balls that are catchable he get's them. Our wide receiver corps has rely on 2 rookies and a veteran tight end. when should be 1 rookie playing the X, a Vetern chaz playing the F, and Murphy or walker in the slot with miller as the tight in. That combination there would service us better than whats actually on the field now. 

what needs to be done in oakland.

1. GO back to being aggressive, with playcalling on offense and defense.

2. Teach the receivers, work em and if they cant understand bench them for the talent we do have, why is javon walker on the bench for todd watkins?

3. Fix the offensive line. if the passes are coming out wild from the quarterback then its due to the pressure he is getting.  Then when the ball are getting out there the rookies are dropping it. that means find new ways for Zach miller to get open if he is the only productive hands on the field.

The entire raider empire is furious with the record, we have a whole second half of a season to improve. we have the personel to win 70% of the schedule we have with everyone healthy and those changes made.

I cant put russell vs quinn. when quinn isnt the best option for any team in the NFL to have success with when russell has had minor success here. At this actuall point Jimmy clausen looks better than Shady Brady Quinn.

take care peace. 

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