stole over 75,000. Why was this not in the news? Why was this allowed to be swept under the rug? This happened couple of years ago. I only found out as I prepared an analysis on Soccer here in East Contra Costa County.
I totally agree with you on this, but right is right and the MAN of God cannot just go around misuse his power as the Pastor. The church is an non-profit organization and their are bylaws that must be followed and from what I read and from what I hear and it's all over the Bay Area that this Pastor is not following one bit of it. Their are reports of him telling others that he is not going to follow no bylaws and constitution and he's wrong, because their are rules and regulations everywhere you go in life and if this was a secular job and he worked for a company, I bet he'll follow their rules and regulations and do as he's told.
It's a sad day whenever you have such disguntledy congregates airing their unfounded, unsubstantiated laundry over the press. My question is: Whose stealing from who? $200,000 in damages????? vs. $15,000 to pay church bills???? Whose the real crocks here? The 31 really need the LORD!!!!!!!
Sounds 2 Me this guy,think he can do what he want 2 do and the congregation is not goin 4 it!!!!!!This is the 2nd time money has become a issue in the same church,First they had the police escort the one pastor out on a Sunday mornin how cold is that,Now we have another money hungry pastor come in....What is goin on in Gods House???Where do these Pimps come from??
I'm puzzled at how you come to that conclusion? Could it possibly be that you have some power hungry disguntled members who were apart of the same disguntled group who brought about shame and embarassment to the Body of Christ at large and to their local body. Why is it that every time someone, or in this case, 31 disguntled, unspiritually acting member according to Matthew 18:15-20 and 1 Corinthians 6:1-11, alleged that money is being mishandled, that the Pastor has to be a pimp? ARE YOU APART OF THIS GROUP????
Where do these UNGODLY 31 come from??? COULD IT BE FROM THE VERY PIT OF HELL???
I have one question for you. Are you a part of the group that's condoning this Pastor's unethical actions? If so, SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! And before you throw out scriptures go get your bible and turn to St. Matthew 7:15 and 24:11 and especially 2 John 7 and read it if you have'nt torn it out. Sounds like the Pastor is the "ANTI-CHRIST". From what I am hearing their has been a lot of PROPAGANDA and HARRASEMENT going on by V.S. Brice and his PUPPETS and PUPPETEERS. I'm glad this so called pastor is now being exposed and what he needs to do is walk away and go back to East Oakland and start is own church. I'm sure he will have many followers like the REVEREND JIM JONES did when he deceived and mislead the memebers.
This sounds like a case of unethical actions taken by the Pastor and his appointees and it's not about who the real crooks are, but it's about whose been dipping their hand in the collection plate on Sunday. Is their possible MONEY LAUNDERING and EMBEZZELMENT going on? Hmmmm!
It seems to me that you are quite shallow in your understanding of the Scriptures and don't have a very good handle of the little bit that you're attempted to USE. Let me refer you to the beginning of Matthew 7 of which you only reference verse 15.
Matt. 7:1 “Don’t pick on people, jump on their failures, criticize their faults—unless, of course, you want the same treatment. 2 That critical spirit has a way of boomeranging. 3 It’s easy to see a smudge on your neighbor’s face and be oblivious to the ugly sneer on your own. 4 Do you have the nerve to say, ‘Let me wash your face for you,’ when your own face is distorted by contempt? 5 It’s this whole traveling road-show mentality all over again, playing a holier-than-thou part instead of just living your part. Wipe that ugly sneer off your own face, and you might be fit to offer a washcloth to your neighbor. 6 “Don’t be flip with the sacred. Banter and silliness give no honor to God. Don’t reduce holy mysteries to slogans. In trying to be relevant, you’re only being cute and inviting sacrilege. (The Message Bible)
Chew on that Bible Scholar, IF YOU HAVE EARS TO HEAR!!!!
I gather you are making reference to removing the beam out of thine eye, before removing the pluck out of somenone elses eye. Well let me refer you to
John 7:24 "Stop Judging By Appearance, And Make A Right Judgement". In other words I have not judge this Pastor by his appearance, like most of his members have, but I have judge him based on his actions and his sins. The Pastors' role in the church is to be the spiritual leader of the church, not the Lord over all
auxiliaries and ministeries in the church. Like most churches, he is consider an employee and the church is his employer and the bottom line is, he's out of order and must be removed as soon as possible.
Wow, you have no understanding of scriptural context do you> You take one verse and come to the most ridiculous conclusions. Here's the point. You obviously have a serious problem with the Biblical role of a Pastor. Jeremiah 3:15 says (The LORD speaking) "I will give YOU PASTOR after my own heart who will FEED YOU with knowledge and understanding." Hebrews 13:17 "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you." (NIV)
Pastor Brice is NOT an employee of the Church, He's works for God who has placed him as the spiritual leader of your church
If you have a problem with the scripture, your problem isn't really with Pastor Brice, but with GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As to what Pastor Brice's sins are, you ought to list them and while you list his, DON'T FORGET TO LIST YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus says that, "He that is without sin, let him cast the first stone..." - John 8:7 KJV
In one of your other comments, You stated that those who follow the Pastor are simply puppets, it seems to me the the real puppet is YOU! You are allowing the very EMEMY HIMSELF to puppeteer you around as an tool of destruction, and a terrible witness to the world for Jesus Christ. There's no way that the LORD would lead His people to put on parade before a lost world, community or city this kind of mess and He get any GLORY OUT OF IT. What a terrible WITNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You may take issue with what I'm saying, but it is what it is!!!!
These actions against this pastor are not the actions of sheep toward their pastor, but wolves. Sheep by nature don't fight their shepherds, they follower their shepherds.
This is the very reason why people are turned off by church and the message that we should be proclaiming, because we have our own personal agendas and selfish points to make at the expense of BEING A POOR TESTIMONY TO THE WORLD.
All that I can say is that serious prayer is needed here and even the conversion of souls.
It seems to me that you have taken what I said out of CONTEXT and maybe your confused like many others. The scripture you made reference too, Hebrews 13:17 only applies if Pastor Brice is in Gods will and right now he's not. The members are really not obligated to follow him if he's causing strife, dissension and contention in the church. From what I've heard this is what he's doing and matterof fact since this lawsuit, he has gotten worse. Did'nt he have an illegal meeting on Sunday and ask the members to vote on using the church funds to retain an attorney?Isn't he using the Youth of the church as security guards to prevent unwanted people from entering the church? In addition to this, the Bible says their are qualifications to be a pastor and Pastor Brice does not fit these qualifications and therefore the members do not have to listen to him and do what he says. If they do they have become an accessory to his wrongdoings. Please read Romans 16:17 and it reads "Mark them which cause divisions contrary to the doctrine in which you have learn and avoid them. Read Romans 16:18 also.
Let's be honest here. Whose really attempting to dip in the offering plate. It seems to me that the 31 LONG TIME members who are suing the church and the pastor are the one's dipping in the offering plate. $200,000 + is a pretty big dipping in the offering plate wouldn't you say?????
I've yet to hear you write about that matter. Let me say it again $200,000, whose doing the dipping????
I'd like to hear your response to that along with your scriptural bases for that move. I'm greatly anticipating your Biblical response to that.
Truthfully, I doubt it seriously that the 31 members will ever get the $200,000 that they are asking for, because most likely Pastor Brice has spent it all. Has he given account of the funds that was spent without the church body approval? Has he given his church members a rescent financial statement to prove his claim that he nor his staff have been dipping their hand in the offering plate? If this has not been done, then some suspcious activity is going on and I bet you it will come out and then we will see who the real PIMPS AND PLAYERS are.
Let me ask you a question, what in the world are you all running over there? A Religious Club or a Church?????? You have yet to agree with Scripture, especially scripture that cuts across this foolishness. You seem to have far more allegents to some BY-LAW AND CONSTITUIONS and very little commitment to the Word of God. I'm sorry, but what ought to govern the Church of Jesus Christ IS THE WORD OF GOD.
The first century Church in Acts 2, was a church devoted -- not to by-laws and constitutions, but to "...The Apostle doctrine (teaching), fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer. (Acts 2:42)
You also, make reference to Romans 16:17, but here again you only use the part of the passage which says to "...Mark this which cause divisions and offences..." You miss one major part of the passage which says, "...CONTRARY TO THE DOCTRINE WHICH YE HAVE LEARNED..."
The mark of branding is this verse had to do with those who where causing a rift in the body by doing things that were contrary to doctrine, not a pastoral call OR decision. Do you not realize that on of the doctrine (which means teachings) of the Bible is found in 1 Cor. 6:1-11; which teaches against Christians taking each other to court??? That's what causes division and offences. You really need to stop using the Word of God so carelessly, seeing that you appear to possess a very limited understanding of God's Word.
You seem to be very religious, but lack a relationship with the Living LORD. I will be praying that you come to know Jesus Christ as your LORD and Saviour. I'm not judging you, but only apply what the Bible says... Matt. 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Matt. 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. The fruit that you and the 30 disguntled long time members of Solomon Temple is very questionable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on Saturday, 11/07/2009 - 10:28 p.m. PST — by CCKitty
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stole over 75,000. Why was this not in the news? Why was this allowed to be swept under the rug? This happened couple of years ago. I only found out as I prepared an analysis on Soccer here in East Contra Costa County.
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happened to this thread?
If they throw the book at him - it won't be a bible - lol
Scriptures probably will not apply, but if it floats your boat ;). Enjoy - lol
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I totally agree with you on this, but right is right and the MAN of God cannot just go around misuse his power as the Pastor. The church is an non-profit organization and their are bylaws that must be followed and from what I read and from what I hear and it's all over the Bay Area that this Pastor is not following one bit of it. Their are reports of him telling others that he is not going to follow no bylaws and constitution and he's wrong, because their are rules and regulations everywhere you go in life and if this was a secular job and he worked for a company, I bet he'll follow their rules and regulations and do as he's told.
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It's a sad day whenever you have such disguntledy congregates airing their unfounded, unsubstantiated laundry over the press. My question is: Whose stealing from who? $200,000 in damages????? vs. $15,000 to pay church bills???? Whose the real crocks here? The 31 really need the LORD!!!!!!!
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Sounds 2 Me this guy,think he can do what he want 2 do and the congregation is not goin 4 it!!!!!!This is the 2nd time money has become a issue in the same church,First they had the police escort the one pastor out on a Sunday mornin how cold is that,Now we have another money hungry pastor come in....What is goin on in Gods House???Where do these Pimps come from??
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I'm puzzled at how you come to that conclusion? Could it possibly be that you have some power hungry disguntled members who were apart of the same disguntled group who brought about shame and embarassment to the Body of Christ at large and to their local body. Why is it that every time someone, or in this case, 31 disguntled, unspiritually acting member according to Matthew 18:15-20 and 1 Corinthians 6:1-11, alleged that money is being mishandled, that the Pastor has to be a pimp? ARE YOU APART OF THIS GROUP????
Where do these UNGODLY 31 come from??? COULD IT BE FROM THE VERY PIT OF HELL???
HUM!!!!!!!!!!
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I have one question for you. Are you a part of the group that's condoning this Pastor's unethical actions? If so, SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! And before you throw out scriptures go get your bible and turn to St. Matthew 7:15 and 24:11 and especially 2 John 7 and read it if you have'nt torn it out. Sounds like the Pastor is the "ANTI-CHRIST". From what I am hearing their has been a lot of PROPAGANDA and HARRASEMENT going on by V.S. Brice and his PUPPETS and PUPPETEERS. I'm glad this so called pastor is now being exposed and what he needs to do is walk away and go back to East Oakland and start is own church. I'm sure he will have many followers like the REVEREND JIM JONES did when he deceived and mislead the memebers.
Peace!
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This sounds like a case of unethical actions taken by the Pastor and his appointees and it's not about who the real crooks are, but it's about whose been dipping their hand in the collection plate on Sunday. Is their possible MONEY LAUNDERING and EMBEZZELMENT going on? Hmmmm!
Peace!
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Current Posts: 6
It seems to me that you are quite shallow in your understanding of the Scriptures and don't have a very good handle of the little bit that you're attempted to USE. Let me refer you to the beginning of Matthew 7 of which you only reference verse 15.
Matt. 7:1 “Don’t pick on people, jump on their failures, criticize their faults—unless, of course, you want the same treatment. 2 That critical spirit has a way of boomeranging. 3 It’s easy to see a smudge on your neighbor’s face and be oblivious to the ugly sneer on your own.
4 Do you have the nerve to say, ‘Let me wash your face for you,’ when your own face is distorted by contempt? 5 It’s this whole traveling road-show mentality all over again, playing a holier-than-thou part instead of just living your part. Wipe that ugly sneer off your own face, and you might be fit to offer a washcloth to your neighbor. 6 “Don’t be flip with the sacred. Banter and silliness give no honor to God. Don’t reduce holy mysteries to slogans. In trying to be relevant, you’re only being cute and inviting sacrilege. (The Message Bible)
Chew on that Bible Scholar, IF YOU HAVE EARS TO HEAR!!!!
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I gather you are making reference to removing the beam out of thine eye, before removing the pluck out of somenone elses eye. Well let me refer you to John 7:24 "Stop Judging By Appearance, And Make A Right Judgement". In other words I have not judge this Pastor by his appearance, like most of his members have, but I have judge him based on his actions and his sins. The Pastors' role in the church is to be the spiritual leader of the church, not the Lord over all auxiliaries and ministeries in the church. Like most churches, he is consider an employee and the church is his employer and the bottom line is, he's out of order and must be removed as soon as possible.
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Wow, you have no understanding of scriptural context do you> You take one verse and come to the most ridiculous conclusions. Here's the point. You obviously have a serious problem with the Biblical role of a Pastor. Jeremiah 3:15 says (The LORD speaking) "I will give YOU PASTOR after my own heart who will FEED YOU with knowledge and understanding." Hebrews 13:17 "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you." (NIV)
Pastor Brice is NOT an employee of the Church, He's works for God who has placed him as the spiritual leader of your church
If you have a problem with the scripture, your problem isn't really with Pastor Brice, but with GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As to what Pastor Brice's sins are, you ought to list them and while you list his, DON'T FORGET TO LIST YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus says that, "He that is without sin, let him cast the first stone..." - John 8:7 KJV
In one of your other comments, You stated that those who follow the Pastor are simply puppets, it seems to me the the real puppet is YOU! You are allowing the very EMEMY HIMSELF to puppeteer you around as an tool of destruction, and a terrible witness to the world for Jesus Christ. There's no way that the LORD would lead His people to put on parade before a lost world, community or city this kind of mess and He get any GLORY OUT OF IT. What a terrible WITNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You may take issue with what I'm saying, but it is what it is!!!!
These actions against this pastor are not the actions of sheep toward their pastor, but wolves. Sheep by nature don't fight their shepherds, they follower their shepherds.
This is the very reason why people are turned off by church and the message that we should be proclaiming, because we have our own personal agendas and selfish points to make at the expense of BEING A POOR TESTIMONY TO THE WORLD.
All that I can say is that serious prayer is needed here and even the conversion of souls.
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Current Posts: 7
It seems to me that you have taken what I said out of CONTEXT and maybe your confused like many others. The scripture you made reference too, Hebrews 13:17 only applies if Pastor Brice is in Gods will and right now he's not. The members are really not obligated to follow him if he's causing strife, dissension and contention in the church. From what I've heard this is what he's doing and matter of fact since this lawsuit, he has gotten worse. Did'nt he have an illegal meeting on Sunday and ask the members to vote on using the church funds to retain an attorney? Isn't he using the Youth of the church as security guards to prevent unwanted people from entering the church? In addition to this, the Bible says their are qualifications to be a pastor and Pastor Brice does not fit these qualifications and therefore the members do not have to listen to him and do what he says. If they do they have become an accessory to his wrongdoings. Please read Romans 16:17 and it reads "Mark them which cause divisions contrary to the doctrine in which you have learn and avoid them. Read Romans 16:18 also.
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Let's be honest here. Whose really attempting to dip in the offering plate. It seems to me that the 31 LONG TIME members who are suing the church and the pastor are the one's dipping in the offering plate. $200,000 + is a pretty big dipping in the offering plate wouldn't you say?????
I've yet to hear you write about that matter. Let me say it again $200,000, whose doing the dipping????
I'd like to hear your response to that along with your scriptural bases for that move. I'm greatly anticipating your Biblical response to that.
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Truthfully, I doubt it seriously that the 31 members will ever get the $200,000 that they are asking for, because most likely Pastor Brice has spent it all. Has he given account of the funds that was spent without the church body approval? Has he given his church members a rescent financial statement to prove his claim that he nor his staff have been dipping their hand in the offering plate? If this has not been done, then some suspcious activity is going on and I bet you it will come out and then we will see who the real PIMPS AND PLAYERS are.
Joined: Nov 2009
Current Posts: 6
Let me ask you a question, what in the world are you all running over there? A Religious Club or a Church?????? You have yet to agree with Scripture, especially scripture that cuts across this foolishness. You seem to have far more allegents to some BY-LAW AND CONSTITUIONS and very little commitment to the Word of God. I'm sorry, but what ought to govern the Church of Jesus Christ IS THE WORD OF GOD.
The first century Church in Acts 2, was a church devoted -- not to by-laws and constitutions, but to "...The Apostle doctrine (teaching), fellowship, the breaking of bread and prayer. (Acts 2:42)
You also, make reference to Romans 16:17, but here again you only use the part of the passage which says to "...Mark this which cause divisions and offences..." You miss one major part of the passage which says, "...CONTRARY TO THE DOCTRINE WHICH YE HAVE LEARNED..."
The mark of branding is this verse had to do with those who where causing a rift in the body by doing things that were contrary to doctrine, not a pastoral call OR decision. Do you not realize that on of the doctrine (which means teachings) of the Bible is found in 1 Cor. 6:1-11; which teaches against Christians taking each other to court??? That's what causes division and offences. You really need to stop using the Word of God so carelessly, seeing that you appear to possess a very limited understanding of God's Word.
You seem to be very religious, but lack a relationship with the Living LORD. I will be praying that you come to know Jesus Christ as your LORD and Saviour. I'm not judging you, but only apply what the Bible says... Matt. 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Matt. 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. The fruit that you and the 30 disguntled long time members of Solomon Temple is very questionable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!