I first heard about the resignation on the Portland Progressive radio station, but only on the half-hourly national news feed ... I switched to the local conservative talk show station and heard essentially the same report (with more emphasis on the "truther" part of the story). Came home and was making some jam with the television news going in the background ... NBC, ABC and CNN all reported it. Don't know about the other channels because I wasn't interested in finding out whether they were all covering a story ...
Van Jones announced his resignation in the middle of the night on a Holiday weekend, I doubt that he resigned on his own accord, but in any case that avowed communist is gonzo, Now if the public would demand the resignation of the following folks from the administration we would all be better off, Anthony Lake, Susan Rice, Richard Clarke, Dr. Ezekial Emanuel, Mark Lloyd and last but not least Valerie Jarrett. a very simple google search of these people is very revealing about their real intentions for our Country.
Santa Rosa Press Democrat (Owned by NY Times) had it up for a few hours. Then it was GONE. Maobama's media buddies are in a tizzy as to how to stop their homie's free fall in the polls. LA Time this morning had to admit he has a problem, but sneeringly said it was to be the year of the "angry white senior", a term dripping with derision, that stemmed from conservative attacks.
All I can say is turn-about is fair play ... now all you far righties know how it felt to see the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Feith, Wolfowitz, Scanlon, Abramoff, Gonzalez, et. al. appointed to key positions in the last administration. But I guess like petulant children you are going to "get even".
I don't think that Cheney or others that you mentioned were "appointed" they were either elected in Cheneys case or subject to Senate Confirmation hearings unlike the 30 something Czars that Obama has appointed with no oversight at all apparently, Van Jones was just one of a long long list of extemely far left folks that Obama has surrounded himself with, apparently they only answer to him and forget Congress or the people of the United States.
In one sense, you have a point ... Van Jones was appointed as a consultant and advisor to the Council On Environmental Quality (CEQ). The CEQ is a division of the Executive Office of the President, established by the United States Congress in 1969 under National Environmental Policy Act. The Chairwoman of CEQ ... Nancy Sutley, was appointed by Barack Obama, and confirmed by the Senate on January 22, 2009 (unanimous consent). Van Jones answers to her. I have tried to find out exactly how Van Jones came by the title "Green Energy Czar", and it appears to be a moniker adopted by the corporate media in the LAST administration to identify advisors that the Bush administration appointed that did not require Senate confirmation. Dana Perino, a White House spokesperson during the end of the Bush Administration, told Fox News that "presidents like to appoint czars because it can be hard to get political appointees confirmed by an increasingly partisan Congress." She should know ... she introduced a few in the last administration.
I see it as a part of the expansion of the powers of the Executive Branch. JFK, Johnson and Nixon all worked hard to give the president more power ... the latter one sort of exceeded his reach and people got a little upset about that (for a while). All sorts of checks and restrictions were placed on the office of the president because of the abuses of power that Nixon got away with (the most famous being the FISA Court) ... but because Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon, there was no investigation and the actual nature of his abuses were never investigated. Nor were they punished. Mr. Ford and Mr. Carter sort of played by the rules, but Ronald Reagan (with assistance from Ed Meese, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld ... not to mention lesser known weasels in the Pentagon, like Oliver North) started the covert efforts to circumvent Congressional checks on Executive Power and did half a dozen major illegal operations that were subsequently brushed under the carpet and never investigated, either. Whatever illegalities Bill Clinton attempted to get away with, he at least was investigated ... mercilessly (and at great expense to the American people and to American foreign policy, which he stopped paying attention to). But the Bush II administration ... with those same players lurking in the background (Rumsfeld and Cheney, to begin with ... but a score of other potential felons from Reagan/Bush I joined them ... number one on that short list being John Poindexter) ... is still resisting investigation and the jury is out whether we will ever be able to stuff the Executive Genie back into her bottle. You see, every time a president abuses his power, he broadens it and makes it that much harder to reign in.
If you can find the archives to this board, I warned conservatives REPEATEDLY that they needed to support efforts to investigate the charges of illegal activity on the part of George W ... and they needed to support efforts to roll back many of the changes that George W acquired through legal means (i.e., a complacent and cooperative Congress gave him all sorts of power) ... otherwise, when a different president assumes office, he will assume the powers and the precedents for using those powers that we all just let slide. This is the primary reason I find the current whining by Republicans to be so tragically and ironically funny ... as long as it was YOUR guy ramming stuff through with his handpicked cronies, and he was doing it in ways that raised questions about openness and transparency, it was okay. Now it's not, but you have no one but yourselves and your politics of expediency to blame.
Shays, try to be a little succinct in your comments. I venture to say most readers skipped on after the first few lines. Although, I did scan and see you seem to give credence to the theory of giant Gov cover-up in the 9-11 attack. Sound like a kindred spirit of STORM trooper Van Jones. By the way, that thumping outside your house really is a Black Helicopter.
There is no reason to be succinct and simple just to please the short attention span of those who think they speak for everyone. As for black helicopters ... I find it eerily prescient that those who dwell most about their presence would be amongst the first to support a strong leader who actually would use them to "defend" America against its own citizens ... just as I am sure you were among those clear-headed Americans who defended and justified the elaboration of intelligence reports so they reflected what we "knew" was in Iraq and could be used to stampede Americans into an unnecessary and very costly war (you might even believe the wmds were "snuck" out of Iraq just before the invasion, or ... better yet ... that we actually found some), the illegal wire-tapping of American citizens' phones, the illegal detention of "material witnesses" never charged with any crime, the torture of "evil-doers" to extract "useful" information, and the appointment of US Attorneys on the basis of their loyalty to the Leader.
that you are not in agreement with the path chosen by the last administration to hopefully prevent another 9/11 style incident on American soil. But the fact of the matter is that objective was clearly achieved. Now whether we needed to depose Sadaam Hussien is a topic that I know you and I are NEVER going to agree on so we won't debate that here. I understand that you are obviously a pacificist which I would like to think ALL of us are. Where our perspectives probably differ is HOW we maintain peace in this world. I know that you are not an ignorant person (a little too idealistic possibly...but that's okay) so I hope you understand that there is a VERY SIGNIFICANT,DANGEROUS, UNREASONABLE, and RELENTLESS element in the world today that DOES NOT and WILL NOT EVER like the U.S. and "live and let live"!!!! Hence, if we wish to enjoy the style of life we are used to,we have to protect ourselves. We are not living in "La-La" land my friend!!! The ONLY thing that these sources of threat to our way of life understand and respond to is BRUTE FORCE!!
So I will close this post with this thought. If the present administration allows another domestic terrorist attack to occur on American soil through flawed foriegn policy and intelligence gathering, I think our man Barack Obama will be lookiing for another job in the next three and half years.
I appreciate the fact that you can disagree in an agreeable fashion (and even find some area of agreement, while doing it) ... it's a rare skill in this day and age of faux outrage, and I am pleased to let you know that I am thankfull. Let me point out a couple of areas of disagreement, however. Just because there were no attacks subsequent to the one on 9/11 does not mean that anyone did anything to prevent them or, for that matter, that anything that anyone did had anything to do with the fact that there were no other attacks. Anyone who ascribes to this way of thinking will have to acknowledge that Bill Clinton similarly succeeded in preventing another attack on U.S. soil, and he was able to do it without abandoning the Constitution or violating the rights of any American citizen.
I do understand that there is a VERY SIGNIFICANT, DANGEROUS, UNREASONABLE, and RELENTLESS element in the world today that DOES NOT and WILL NOT EVER like the U.S." Similarly, I realize that we must protect ourselves and understand that brute force is all that they understand ... but may I suggest that a brutal response is precisely what the "evil-doers" to whom you refer want us to provide. You see, the difference between a cell or a network of terrorists and a uniformed, state military force is that they are different. A state military force can be scouted out with relative ease, isolated and engaged in combat, and even though there may be civilian casualties in the exchange, as a rule they are acceptable and at least understandable. On the other hand, terrorists are civilians who live in the midst the population and when we exert brutal force against them, we also exert that same force (indiscriminately, I might add) against the non-combatants within range. For every terrorist that we take out with our brute-force response, they are able to recruit ten more who survived the attack and witnessed first hand the outcome of our brutishness. Terrorists ... already prepared to die while acting to support whatever it is they believe, are equally willing to invite a rain of bombs on themselves if it will corroborate what they have always been telling the locals about us.
Additionally, terrorists thrive on unpredictability. Even if you know they are going to drive a car bomb into a building, there is something they will do that is unexpected or unique. They thus exploit (and create) uncertainty, confusion, and fear. A military force operating in populated areas (especially densely populated urban areas) ... even when welcomed with open arms ... adds uncertainty, confusion, and fear. It also invites attack, raw violence, noise, chaos and destruction of what used to be peaceful neighborhoods, historical landmarks and shrines, neighborhood markets, and other symbols of continuity, longevity and culture. Imagine tanks and rocket launchers in downtown Walnut Creek ... if you are a civilian caught between the warring factions, you're not going to care too much about who is blowing what up, or which side is your "savior".
The point is that even non-traditional methods of warfare don't work when the "evil-doer" is a terrorist. The only thing that works is hard police work. Precision military strikes might be a follow-up to the investigation and intelligence gathering ... but every civilian life lost, every historical landmark destroyed, every home bombed into oblivion by blunt force action is a small defeat for the 'good guys'. And when it comes to the countries we have invaded (or simply armed and trained), we will never "win" whatever it is that is going on. In Iraq, we may have deposed Saddam Hussein, but the Shi'a majority that he oppressed is never going to form a government (let alone a democratic government) that will be very amenable to our demands. Afghanistan is even worse ... it is highly unlikely that it will ever be able to form a government, at all. Ironically, the most democratic of all the countries in this region is Iran (witness the significant challenge the populace presented to the undemocratic mullahs in the last "election" held there), but we pretty much destroyed any credibility we had in that country when we overthrew its last democratic government and replaced it with a brutal dictator whom the Ayatollah overthrew.
So answer me this: Did the military protect us against 9/11? Granted it is possible that they didn't understand what the intelligence was telling them (August 6, 2001 PDB: "Bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S.", "possible hijackings", "surveillance of buildings in New York", "FBI conducting approximately 70 investigations in the United States"), or ... more likely didn't trust anything that smacked of Bill Clinton ... but wouldn't it have been prudent to have at least part of the military on some ready alert? Or would that have done any good?
and will continue to threaten our country. Unfortunately we are just going to have to wait and see what the next "step" is going to consist of and I am not real comfortable with how the present administration is going about processing it. I think Barack has presented himself to some of the more dangerous governments in the world today as being somewhat naive. If he is unfortunate enough to be the recipient of another 9/11 type event on his "watch" it's going to be a baaaaaaaaaaaaaad deal for his legacy!!!!!
It is unfortunate that you feel this way. But then, I felt that the last president did EVERYTHING wrong when it came to protecting us. He invaded a country that perhaps had a despicable leader, but had done nothing to undermine or threaten our security (Saddam Hussein was a useful puppet ... a "good guy" when times called for an ally, a "bad guy" when an enemy was needed). He did so convinced that technology and swift, aggressive, and overwhelming force would win the day ... with hardly much of a plan in reserve should it prove not to work. He then initiated an occupation of two ancient parts of the world with long histories and traditions of absorbing and repelling invasion, leaving us in a precarious and expensive occupation with no end in sight. When distracted, he allowed an entire army to slip out of Afghanistan (fully armed and intact) into a neighboring state whose borders have verged on anarchy for decades and which possesses nuclear weapons. Work on gas pipelines in old Soviet territories alienated just about everybody (except the despotic and tyrannical leaders of a couple states who profited greatly from this work ... again making buddies with "useful" tyrants while at the same time building "democracy" in a place where an old ally had lost his usefulness). Nuclear weapons have proliferated through Bush policies that refused to negotiate, our traditional allies took major steps away from us at a time when we most needed their support, and powder kegs all became more explosive.
What, exactly, is the Obama administration doing that makes you so nervous? I'll tell what he's doing that makes ME nervous ... he is not ending the occupation of Afghanistan, and seems determined to escalate our presence there. But he has taken aggressive action in Pakistan to help the Pakistanis reassert control in the western provinces bordering Afghanistan. There is nothing naive about Hillary Clinton, nor the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
If I were you, I would be more concerned about an Oklahoma City-type act of terrorism in the next couple of years.
Wow. You certainly hit on a lot of the left's false memes in that one.
re: "appointment of US attorneys"
False. They serve at the whim of the president. Clinton fired over 90 of them, just to hide the _fact_ that he wanted to get rid of the ones investigating his cronies. obama's AG holder recently dismissed a CONVICTION for voter intimidation, simply because the convicted were Black Panther Party members. Just as cllinton did, obama has been dismissing attorneys based on what and who they were investigating. obama has also been firing Inspector Generals that have been/are investigating his cronies.
re: "torture of evil-doers"
Ask Daniel Pearl, or any of the other victims of islamists about torture. You don't even know what torture is. The enhanced interrogation techniques used on a FEW of the islamists was quite effective.
re: "Illegal wire-tapping of american citizens' phones"
Wasn't done. Are you upset because your calls to your Al-Qaeda buddies were intercepted?
re: "wmds were "snuck" out of Iraq just before the invasion, or ... better yet ... that we actually found some"
WMD's were found. More were smuggled out. I realize that these are facts that don't fit the narrative you were given to espouse here.
re: 'elaboration of intelligence reports so they reflected what we "knew" was in Iraq'
Again, didn't happen.
Go back to your DNC masters and get some different talking points.
Don't need new talking points, though I come up with them all the time. Occasionally, I do slip back into the past to remind hypocrites of things they have stood for in the past (unless, of course, they were sleeping through the period). But, since you have called me out, let's revisit a couple of your points, shall we?
US Attorneys: Ronald Reagan replaced 89 of 93 US Attorneys in the first two years of his first administration (and 71 of those 93 in just the first year). Bill Clinton replaced 89 of 93 in his first two years (80 in the first). George W Bush replaced 88 of 93 US Attorneys in his first two years. Barack Obama has nominated less than 20 new US Attorneys, so far, and will undoubtedly continue to do so. As you say, they serve at the pleasure of the President, and it is common practice for presidents to replace most of the US Attorney corps within the first two years. The issue to which I referred, however, is the sudden replacement of nine US Attorneys mid-way through GW Bush's second term, all for questions of political loyalty.
Torture: Bad people DO torture and DO practice inhumane treatment of prisoners. The United States never has, and never should. It is one of the things that makes the United States superior to bad people or bad governments. I DO know what torture is, because it is spelled out in treaties, in US law, and in the Army field manual. As to any useful or actionable intelligence gathered from the torture of prisoners, there is not one shred of evidence that has been put forward to support the claim. Instead, we have (1) liar liar Dick Cheney lying about how effective it was, and (2) Congressional testimony from Ali Soufan (the FBI agent on-site and in charge of interrogation) that the only actionable intelligence gathered from Abu Zubaydah came BEFORE private contractors began water-boarding him.
Illegal wire-tapping: Joseph Nacchio, CEO of Qwest Communications in February 2001, has testified that the NSA denied a foreign contract Qwest had already won because it refused to turn over records to the government (forcing Qwest to obey the request). Verizon, responding to criminal charges that it had turned over records and wire-tapping capabilities to the NSA in early 2001, charged that AT&T began constructing a spy facility for the Bush administration, at the request of John Poindexter, a few days after the inauguration.
WMDs: NO wmds were found in Iraq. Saddam Hussein had destroyed them all ... or moved them OUT of Iraq ... as required by the UN. Take off your tinfoil hat, son ... it is clear your communications are coming from Zutan.
Lying about intelligence: There were no wmds ... though Cheney and Rumsfeld, who originally gave wmds to Saddam Hussein, thought they were probably still there and would eventually be found ... so either the intelligence was really bad (and George Tenet does not deserve his Medal of Freedom), or someone modified the intelligence to report what they "knew" they would find. There was no yellow-cake uranium. There were no imminent mushroom clouds (Condi). There was NO connection between Osama bin-Laden and Saddam Hussein. It was all faked.
I have never once said that I was a scholar, but I do think that simpleton is a bit much, but to each his own, that's what free speech is all about, and when we all lose that freedom do not blame me.
In your case, "simpleton" may have been over dramatization to make a point. I was attempting to be succinct, since you expressed an opinion suggesting I could not. That said, I generally believe in being thorough. Follow along if you will (but remember they invented the scroll button for people like me).
In regards to free speech, in my lifetime, the biggest formal, institutionalized threat to free speech has consistently come from the right ... granted, I have been to rallies and demonstrations and even public meetings where hooligans from the left shouted people down with whom they did not agree as loudly and with as much spirit as anyone, and that most certainly counts. Fortunately, cooler heads tend to prevail and sites such as this one abound.
This is a question of taste. I am a passive sort of person who believes we can all find a way to get along (even with mind-bogglingly stupid people like yourself) ... Cheney and Rumsfeld are war criminals who have built entire careers tearing people to pieces and fabricating information to justify their insatiable love of power. Liars have no integrity, last time I checked.
i find very few people that voted for Bush still liked him at the end of his Presidency = even his voters didn't like/support his actions
in fact many voted Dem on this ticket, as a result
SO YOU ARE COMPLETELY OFF BASE. sounds like you feel guilty about boosting Obama, thats what I think = you've figured out he's a rat bastard like the rest, or even worse
It took almost eight years for most of the people in this country to come to realize what a wiener they had elected ... he still had a hard core of 17-20% that supported him, which I guess goes to show how many are willing to end democracy right now and just appoint a big boss to boss us all around. As to me being "off base" and then feeling guilty about being an Obama supporter ... I do not follow your reasoning. But since yours is unclear to me, let me explain mine to you. I am a pretty far-left leaning liberal, and even a moderate like Barack Obama is preferential to anyone else in the final reckoning. And that is not a misprint or a typo ... I consider Obama to be very moderate (and, unfortunately, very pro-capitalist; hence his salvation of the financial sector and his appointment of Good Old Boys to head Treasury) ... and if that doesn't toast your stockings, Bill Clinton was a Republican Lite, as far as i am concerned. That said, my areas of disagreement with Obama are mounting, but not for reasons that you think; and no matter what he has done, so far, it is light-years better than the alternative a McCain/Palin administration would have provided.
All I can say is turn-about is fair play ... now all you far righties know how it felt to see the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Feith, Wolfowitz, Scanlon, Abramoff, Gonzalez, et. al. appointed to key positions in the last administration. But I guess like petulant children you are going to "get even
Shays, you need to slam some more chiva and go back to sleep. I seem to recall Cheney et al being "elected" or sniffed by congress, meaning they were vetted by the American people. If you can't see the diff between that and simply bypassing the process with Van "Crack" Jones, then who is being petulant? Another thing, Dems control both houses, and the major media. IF Van Jones was simply being bothered by "petulant" ones, why did they not simply ignore and continue with biz a s usual. Answer? Even the top dems and media lap dogs knew there was something rotten in Denmark with a nut job who thinks our own gov't let 9-11 happen.
Wake up ... Cheney/Wolfowitz are but one side of the corporate shill that some foolishly call a "coin"; Jones/Lefties of your choice are the other. Cheney was not "elected" ... his crime family stole the first election, and he has never been "vetted" by anyone. He is the only person still speaking aloud in defense of the last administration because he really is Darth Vader ... the voice for The New American Century must be kept alive, and the only person with the gravitas to deliver it is Cheney.
And just how do you know, so authoritatively, that our government did NOT allow 9/11 to happen? The only investigation into it ... as in so many of the high profile "crimes" committed against America and Americans ... was a sham. There is so much unexplored evidence and so many unanswered questions as to make your definitive defense a joke. I do not know if the administration was involved in some capacity ... but I want someone to conduct an authoritative, independent investigation to answer those questions. You will notice that both Dems and Pubs oppose such an investigation. Just as they both oppose investigation into the alleged crimes and abuses of power of Bush II.
You have every right to challenge arbitrary and seemingly authoritarian dismantling of America's governmental system ... but at least open your eyes and recognize that the two major political parties in this country are playing Punch and Judy with us, and are up to their elbows in connivance and efforts to dance to the tune played by Big Finance and Big Corporate America. As to the media ... yes, there are liberal talking heads who are given some space to express their bias on the main stream media; similarly there are plenty of conservatives allowed the same space. This creates the illusion of a free market-place of ideas, that freedom of speech actually exists, and that dispute and argument actually occurs. But remember this ... ALL the media is corporate owned and controlled, and nothing gets reported (or at least reported in depth, or showing connections so people can hook dot to dot) that seriously threatens its interests.
Now I know why all you whack jobs jump so quickly and completely to conclusions (false or otherwise) ... you read a line (usually out of context), attach your own meaning to it, and then proceed to act as if your interpretation is the God-given truth. I said there are lots of unanswered questions that deserve investigation. I also said I reserve judgment until such time as an investigation takes place. But then, a request for more information must sound pretty alien to a person such as yourself, who knows everything already.
the guys you named have been washington insiders for decades!!!! you know, like BIDEN!!!
Obama is putting his former crack dealers into positions of power, such as "czar". what the F is a czar? Oh, someone that doesn't answer to anyone but the president = WE SEE
funny HOW FAST Obama's ratings are declining....just like all Dem Presidents doesn't take long before america WAKES UP, smells a rat!
Can someone please mention the comments that Van Jones made?
I heard his comments earliers this year "f... the Republicans", there was a bunch of laughter, he repeated his comment and then there was more laughter. I really wasn't too upset about that. Heck, it's Berkeley where that kind of intolerance is very common. If I got upset everytime someone from Berkeley hated me for my politics or my religion , I would spend a lot of my time being upset.
I would appreciate hearing his comments about 9/11 and the people responsible. Does anybody have a link to that? Can someone quote his other comments?
Thanks,
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As if the faux controversy isn't bad enough, and is if the old foxes aren't now calling the new foxes out, here's something a bit more to chew on. Van Jones, long before becoming a born-again capitalist who saw green energy as the way to save America and American jobs, was the co-founder of an organization called Color of Change (which he no longer heads). It was Color of Change that led the movement to "get" Glenn Beck. Now, it is Glenn Beck who has led the movement to get rid of Van Johnson.
More "turn-around-is-fair-play".
Ahh ... the webs we weave. And who said that the bullies in high school actually grew up?
NEVER. why? they are all too stupid, and don't want to fix anything anyway - - nor are they capable of fixing anything
who wants to listen to someone promote higher taxes and bigger more obtrusive government?? the idiots that vote Dem don't even know what their party stands for...
Overall in this little game I would have to say Beck is leading one to nothing, Beck will smell blood in the water I look for him to start a real attack on a few more of those Czars.
Obama has a habit of throwing people off the bus when they become a liability. Clinton did the same. Compare that to George W ... you just pretend nobody noticed anything corrupt or unsavory about an appointee, then you circle the wagons and protect them.
Since I referred to three presidents, your question is a bit vague. I will therefore assume you are asking about George W Bush, whose practice was to ignore complaints ... and even evidence ... of wrongdoing, until such time as there was nothing to do. The list is quite lengthy, as his administration ranks right up there with one of the most corrupt and one of the most special-interest serving administrations in American history. I don't even want to bother to look up all the names, so will just cite examples (if that's okay).
I'll start with George Tenet. This is a man who headed an agency that provided such profoundly bad intelligence that we went to war because of an imminent threat that didn't exist (either that, or he participated in one of the most blatant examples of false testimony and prefabricated reporting in recent history). After retirement, he received a Presidential Medal of Honor.
Dusty Foggo. Number 3 man in the CIA. Resigned (finally) after allegations that he actively participated in defense contractor bribery with his lifelong friend Brent R. Wilkes and Representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham. This scandal brought down Porter Goss (appointed to replace George Tenet), who regularly attended the poker games the Duke threw.
Stephen Johnson. Head of EPA. Regularly "suggested" that EPA scientists change wording or leave certain content out of their reports (most famous being the recent reversal of his decision not to enforce carbon emissions, even though his staff rejected his report; second most famous being rejection of states' rights effort to have tougher emission standards than the EPA formalized).
Actually, the EPA (and its director, whomever it happened to be at the time ... didn't really matter, since loyalty to Bush policy had priority to science or environmental protection), has a very spotted record throughout the Bush administration. Do you remember how new limits on arsenic in drinking water were withdrawn by the EPA in 2001, despite two decades of research; do you also recall how the requirement that local water authorities report arsenic levels in water were also withdrawn? Actually, refusal to regulate emissions from cars, coal-burning electricity factories, and the oil industry began in 2003. Do you remember the EPAs ruling regarding pesticides and the Clean Water Act in 2006? Scientists at EPA were alarmed at the increasing levels of pesticides in the water, but the head of the EPA "clarified" the standards (i.e., eliminated them) and allowed companies to apply pesticides deliberately over water ... without permits ... as long as they "targeted" mosquitos and aquatic weeds.
The Department of the Interior fares no better. You remember Johnnie Burton, the Minerals Management Service Director? Her agency played with oil executives and lobbyists for four years ... engaging in sex and drugs and party favors in exchange for oil leases and energy contracts. We won't talk about mountaintop strip mining, or coal ash waste deposit dams ...
I am so thankful for Glenn Beck and others that are doing the hard work of exposing the vermin that are this current administration. President Obama has defined himself by the company he keeps. Rev Wright, Ayers, Van Jones, Carol Browner, Cass R. Sunstein, Mark Lloyd and a cast of others that keeps growing. This administration is evil, has evil intent and must be stopped in every legal way possible.
Stop this healthcare sham and stop cap and tax. Stop them cold. Our President must be forced into a box where he can no longer effect his plan to destroy the America we know.
Shays reminds me of Kwai Chang Caine. Walking into a dusty bar in the old west, the lone liberal surrounded on all sides by rabid rightwing crazies, yet smoothly deflecting all their flailing attacks and dumping them on the floor in an embarrassing pile.
I am no fool, but you certainly are free to delude yourself. I asked you a simple question: please elaborate on your meaning. In case you have forgotten (are you also a victim of short attention deficit disorder ... SADD), I present it for you again:
Our President must be forced into a box where he can no longer effect his plan to destroy the America we know.
My request: please describe the America the president plans to destroy.
America is a free nation and Obama and his left wing crew (with the big government activism/centralized control agenda they promote) are a threat to that. Remember Rahm Emmanuel's comment about "not letting a crisis go to waste"?
The Constitution specifically limits the power of the government and his supporters have referred to it as a "living document" and/or want to defer to international laws when interpreting it. And who can forget Obama specifically wanting a Supreme Court justice for so called "empathy" reasons. Obama himself claimed courts did not "go far enough" to address the issue of "redistributive justice" during the civil rights era of the 1960s.
"Spreading the wealth around" is not what I would call a recipe for economic growth/job creation/personal initiative. Neither is his cap and trade program or hamstringing the private sector's ability to create jobs with additional taxes/regulations. And some of us are not buying the song and dance routine about government health care plans supposedly covering millions more people, providing "better services" and somehow being more "cost efficient" at the same time. How much was Medicare projected to cost when it was introduced in the 1960s? And how much does it cost right now? A lot more.
I don't expect you to fear any of this because you politically agree with Obama. Some of us do not. Van Jones was a self proclaimed communist and made racially insensitive remarks about "white polluters" and black children never being involved with incidents of school violence. So why would Obama (the supposedly postracial candidate) want to be associated with someone like this? Because these are the kind of people he has been associating with all of his political life (Ayers, Pfleger, Wright, etc.) and that is what has shaped his far left belief system/view of this nation. And Obama now thinks he can "fix" the country using it and accuses people of "bickering" or "playing political games" if they do not agree with him.
And spare us the lecture about "fearing your fellow man". You have made your share of insulting remarks about "right wing crazies" having guns/being armed or so called "closet racists" who dare challenge the left wing status quo on the reasoning process behind racial preference programs.
America is a free nation and Obama and his left wing crew (with the big government activism/centralized control agenda they promote) are a threat to that.
In what way, sir? In everything he says, I hear reference to a freedom to choose (Republicans, on the other hand, would restrict and control our choices in just about every situation, except that related to gun ownership). I have not yet heard anyone on either side of the aisle accuse this President of ordering the phones of American citizens to be wiretapped ... for any reason! To the best of my recollection, so far no American citizens have been rounded up and transported to a "secure location" on the basis of them being a "material witness" to an undefined crime, held without access to a lawyer, charged with no crime, but held indefinitely. I will admit that this administration seems fairly intent on curbing the freedom of sprawling health care corporations to cheat citizens of affordable health care (and denying health care to those who might actually pose a risk of making a claim) ... but that's about it. Please elaborate on the freedom you feel is threatened.
Oh, yeah ... When Mr Emmanuel spoke of not letting a crisis go by, he was merely channelling Bush-Cheney, now wasn't he?
The Constitution specifically limits the power of the government and his supporters have referred to it as a "living document" and/or want to defer to international laws when interpreting it.
Yes, indeed, the Constitution defines and clearly limits powers. For example, the Constitution does not give the President the power to declare war or to commit American soldiers overseas, only to command the Army and Navy and the militias (but the latter only when actually called into the service of the United States). The Congress is given the specific power to declare war. The last time the Congress exercised that power was on December 11, 1941. And yet thousands of American soldiers and millions of civilians (innocent or otherwise) have died in the intervening 68 years. So if the Constitution is not a "living document", how in the world have so many presidents been able to justify the legality of their actions? There are literally hundreds of other such examples that I could cite, but I'll provide just a couple: where in the Constitution is the federal government given the power to finance and build interstate railroads or highways, to regulate and monitor air traffic, or to spy on foreign and domestic enemies?
I'll tell you where these powers come from (legally or otherwise): To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
And who can forget Obama specificallywanting a Supreme Court justice for so called "empathy" reasons. Obama himself claimed courts did not "go far enough" to address the issue of "redistributive justice" during the civil rights era of the 1960s.
He specifically identified empathy as one of the strengths that Supreme Court Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor would bring to the Court; and the president is correct about the second half of your complaint ... because overt racism and discrimination continues, it is clear that the Warren Court did not go far enough in protecting the rights it extended.
"Spreading the wealth around" is not what I would call a recipe for economic growth/job creation/personal initiative.
And yet during time of war and for a period of time lasting almost three more decades, tax policies in which the wealthiest Americans paid as much as 90% of their income, price and wage controls, redistribution of collected revenue to provide education, housing, small business loans and a social safety net for the less fortunate (i.e., "spreading the wealth around") resulted in America becoming the strongest economic power on the planet. I personally remember that despite the high tax rate, there were still wealthy people, and that energetic and innovative people were free to exercise their talents and vision to join them! I also know, again from personal experience, that those same wealthy Americans, sill being taxed anywhere from 70-90% of their income until I was well into my twenties, somehow managed to invest in new companies or to improve established operations while the economy flourished. In short, post-war America ... with high rates of taxation on personal and business income, a strong social safety net, and vast investments in social programs and government construction projects ... was EXACTLY a "recipe for economic growth/job creation/personal initiative".
Neither is his cap and trade program or hamstringing the private sector's ability to create jobs with additional taxes/regulations.
First, cap-and-trade is not a program, yet. Secondly, it would not be necessary to FORCE companies to resume their social responsibility had they voluntarily done so at any point over the last three decades. Back then, it would have been very productive to support legitimate efforts to find and develop alternative sources of energy besides coal-fired electrical generation and gasoline-driven internal combustion engines ... Jimmy Carter initiated many programs to do just that. But in those days, coal and petroleum were "cheap" (well, the petroleum "conveniently" became cheap again, once Jimmy Carter was removed from office and deals were struck with evil-doers in the Middle East). Though "cheap", even then we were very aware that they were extremely dirty and harmful to the environment, and that -- because they were non-renewable resources -- their supply was limited (and increasingly in more difficult ... and expensive ... places to obtain). But because they were "cheap", short-sighted CEOs of increasingly powerful multinational corporations chose to extract and use as much of it as quickly as possible to maximize profits rather than look to future needs. Back then, for example, it would have been relatively inexpensive to convert from coal-fired electrical generation to natural-gas. So, just like putting off fixing the leak in your roof for ten or twenty years tends to increase the cost of fixing it when you finally get around to doing the work, there is also a strong possibility that collateral damage and expenses might arise from your negligence. Yes ... cap-and-trade will be expensive. While there should be provisions that the increased expenses for greedy, short-sighted corporations should not be passed on to consumers (born, in entirety, by corporate executives ... past and present ... as well as investors in companies that did not apply pressure on those executives to do the right thing), it is true that consumers have benefitted from the procrastination, as well. So ... let it be a lesson learned; we all share in the expense of the short-sightedness of some, and move on; but we don't let it happen again.
Companies will just have to find ways to deal in a market-place in which one of their expenses is a higher cut of their profits. Innovative and creative entrepreneurs thrive on such challenges, I have always been told by conservative business types. Those that can't go the way of the dinosaurs.
And some of us are not buying the song and dance routine about government health care plans supposedly covering millions more people, providing "better services" and somehow being more "cost efficient" at the same time. How much was Medicare projected to cost when it was introduced in the 1960s? And how much does it cost right now? A lot more.
Hate to shake you awake, but EVERYTHING costs a lot more today than it did in the 1960s. The cost of medical care is rising faster than inflation, however ... it is rising as much as 7 or 8 times faster (my insurance provider just announced a 22% increase in premiums). As you know, I do not believe private insurers and profit-taking ought to be involved in health care, at all (if people want to gamble on how long they will live, whether their house will burn down or not, or on their ability to avoid a catastrophic car accident ... and the last two types of insurance are already mandated in many states); if they want to exploit the desires of those who like trim bottoms and puffy lips, large breasts and smaller stomachs, that's okay. Again, people should have choices. But primary health care should be provided by a single-payer, and everyone of us should be a part of the primary insurance pool. I recognize that there are too many stupid people out there to ever allow this to occur. So the next best thing is to provide an option (again ... a CHOICE) for those who wish to buy into a publicly funded option. I really don't give a rat's pitootey if you don't care about the health of some poor unemployed middle-aged man in Tennessee, and resent the fact that some of your hard-earned dollars might go to providing him with chemotherapy ... there are plenty of cold, callous, uncaring s.o.b.s in the world and yet the rest of us still manage to support and help each other when in need.
I had just graduated from high school when Medicare passed. I wasn't too concerned about what happened to old people (in general), but both my grandparents were eligible and highly supportive of its adoption ... so I paid attention. For $3 they enrolled in Medicare Part B. While some Republicans ended up voting for Medicare (and in those days, when there were still these bizarre creatures called "moderate Republicans", some of them even helped write the silly thing), they were pretty loudly opposed to ... and in large numbers. Of course the costs have gone up (I enrolled at Long Beach State in that same year, and my "student fee" was $14), and the costs have been added to since Republicans managed to (1) borrow from the Trust Fund by transferring it to the General Fund, (2) "reform it" by subsidizing private insurance companies to rob from the elderly and denying Medicare the power to negotiate drug prices, and (3) attempted to privatize it, entirely. So ... the hundreds of billions from Medicare will come by revoking the subsidies paid to private insurers and then identifying and trimming the wasteful, duplicitous, often times unnecessary expenses that accrue when Republicans stop regulating.
Van Jones was a self proclaimed communist and made racially insensitive remarks about "white polluters" and black children never being involved with incidents of school violence.
So freaking what? You guys go ga-ga and fall in love with all of your closeted gay members or wife-betraying adulterers, even though many of them built careers on bashing gays and demanding that cheating husbands be kicked out of government. All Van Jones did was say that as a young college student he considered himself to be a communist. Even Ronald Reagan flirted with communism and socialism in his youth! Besides, there is nothing illegal about being a communist as far as I can tell ... neither the Constitution forbids it, and none of the "Living part" of it does so either. Every year, a communist manages to get his or her name on the ballot for President. Grow up ... this is a free country and people are free to express whatever political beliefs they desire; it is YOU who is responsible to decide whether you want to agree with them. I do not know anything about the "white polluters" part of your comment (and am sure you will inform me) ... but I grew up living next door to a chicano barrio and many of my best friends lived there; I KNOW how they feel about white people (in general), and I also know that they have every right to feel that way.
And spare us the lecture about "fearing your fellow man". You have made your share of insulting remarks about "right wing crazies" having guns/being armed or so called "closet racists" who dare challenge the left wing status quo on the reasoning process behind racial preference programs.
I have nothing to fear from my fellow man ... UNLESS he is deranged, carries a gun in public to express his point of view, or decides to use it. I also have plenty of first-hand experience with closet racists (and open racists, as well). We may have made a lot of gains in respect to racism in this country (I was most impressed by the diversity present in that Arlington high school where the president made his socialistic, indoctrination speech ... but then, I find that to be true in most high schools I visit today, or in downtown San Francisco, or riding BART), and many of us have worked very hard to accomplish what has been accomplished (the work made harder by open and closeted racists); but Barack Obama and other talking heads are a bit premature to describe America as post-racial. We will not come close to that until, as just one example, the percentage of people incarcerated in this country more closely reflects the racial and social demographic. Remember ... I taught junior high for 25+ years, and my work as a staff developer in California took me to hundreds of high schools and hundreds of high school classrooms; I know, for a fact, that opportunities for children to become the best that they can be are still fairly restricted in urban and rural schools (funding, materials available, experience of teachers on the staff, quality of facilities, curriculum options, to name but a few), but the skills, intelligence, potential and dreams of kids in those schools are relatively similar (if only by laws of probability) to those attending the more affluent schools in our communities where kids get all sorts of advantages and legs-up denied to the rest. We must address these inequities ... perhaps affirmative action is not the best way, but it is a proven way and it works.
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I first heard about the resignation on the Portland Progressive radio station, but only on the half-hourly national news feed ... I switched to the local conservative talk show station and heard essentially the same report (with more emphasis on the "truther" part of the story). Came home and was making some jam with the television news going in the background ... NBC, ABC and CNN all reported it. Don't know about the other channels because I wasn't interested in finding out whether they were all covering a story ...
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Van Jones announced his resignation in the middle of the night on a Holiday weekend, I doubt that he resigned on his own accord, but in any case that avowed communist is gonzo, Now if the public would demand the resignation of the following folks from the administration we would all be better off, Anthony Lake, Susan Rice, Richard Clarke, Dr. Ezekial Emanuel, Mark Lloyd and last but not least Valerie Jarrett. a very simple google search of these people is very revealing about their real intentions for our Country.
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Santa Rosa Press Democrat (Owned by NY Times) had it up for a few hours. Then it was GONE. Maobama's media buddies are in a tizzy as to how to stop their homie's free fall in the polls. LA Time this morning had to admit he has a problem, but sneeringly said it was to be the year of the "angry white senior", a term dripping with derision, that stemmed from conservative attacks.
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One down, and an entire administration to go.
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All I can say is turn-about is fair play ... now all you far righties know how it felt to see the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Feith, Wolfowitz, Scanlon, Abramoff, Gonzalez, et. al. appointed to key positions in the last administration. But I guess like petulant children you are going to "get even".
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I don't think that Cheney or others that you mentioned were "appointed" they were either elected in Cheneys case or subject to Senate Confirmation hearings unlike the 30 something Czars that Obama has appointed with no oversight at all apparently, Van Jones was just one of a long long list of extemely far left folks that Obama has surrounded himself with, apparently they only answer to him and forget Congress or the people of the United States.
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In one sense, you have a point ... Van Jones was appointed as a consultant and advisor to the Council On Environmental Quality (CEQ). The CEQ is a division of the Executive Office of the President, established by the United States Congress in 1969 under National Environmental Policy Act. The Chairwoman of CEQ ... Nancy Sutley, was appointed by Barack Obama, and confirmed by the Senate on January 22, 2009 (unanimous consent). Van Jones answers to her. I have tried to find out exactly how Van Jones came by the title "Green Energy Czar", and it appears to be a moniker adopted by the corporate media in the LAST administration to identify advisors that the Bush administration appointed that did not require Senate confirmation. Dana Perino, a White House spokesperson during the end of the Bush Administration, told Fox News that "presidents like to appoint czars because it can be hard to get political appointees confirmed by an increasingly partisan Congress." She should know ... she introduced a few in the last administration.
I see it as a part of the expansion of the powers of the Executive Branch. JFK, Johnson and Nixon all worked hard to give the president more power ... the latter one sort of exceeded his reach and people got a little upset about that (for a while). All sorts of checks and restrictions were placed on the office of the president because of the abuses of power that Nixon got away with (the most famous being the FISA Court) ... but because Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon, there was no investigation and the actual nature of his abuses were never investigated. Nor were they punished. Mr. Ford and Mr. Carter sort of played by the rules, but Ronald Reagan (with assistance from Ed Meese, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld ... not to mention lesser known weasels in the Pentagon, like Oliver North) started the covert efforts to circumvent Congressional checks on Executive Power and did half a dozen major illegal operations that were subsequently brushed under the carpet and never investigated, either. Whatever illegalities Bill Clinton attempted to get away with, he at least was investigated ... mercilessly (and at great expense to the American people and to American foreign policy, which he stopped paying attention to). But the Bush II administration ... with those same players lurking in the background (Rumsfeld and Cheney, to begin with ... but a score of other potential felons from Reagan/Bush I joined them ... number one on that short list being John Poindexter) ... is still resisting investigation and the jury is out whether we will ever be able to stuff the Executive Genie back into her bottle. You see, every time a president abuses his power, he broadens it and makes it that much harder to reign in.
If you can find the archives to this board, I warned conservatives REPEATEDLY that they needed to support efforts to investigate the charges of illegal activity on the part of George W ... and they needed to support efforts to roll back many of the changes that George W acquired through legal means (i.e., a complacent and cooperative Congress gave him all sorts of power) ... otherwise, when a different president assumes office, he will assume the powers and the precedents for using those powers that we all just let slide. This is the primary reason I find the current whining by Republicans to be so tragically and ironically funny ... as long as it was YOUR guy ramming stuff through with his handpicked cronies, and he was doing it in ways that raised questions about openness and transparency, it was okay. Now it's not, but you have no one but yourselves and your politics of expediency to blame.
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"Blame Bush" "Blame Reagan" "Blame Nixon"
Sorry, chum, there are too many of us out here that know the truth about you and the rest of your socialist pals.
Rumsfeld and Cheney have more integrity in the tip of their little fingers than you have in your entire body.
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Shays, try to be a little succinct in your comments. I venture to say most readers skipped on after the first few lines. Although, I did scan and see you seem to give credence to the theory of giant Gov cover-up in the 9-11 attack. Sound like a kindred spirit of STORM trooper Van Jones. By the way, that thumping outside your house really is a Black Helicopter.
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There is no reason to be succinct and simple just to please the short attention span of those who think they speak for everyone. As for black helicopters ... I find it eerily prescient that those who dwell most about their presence would be amongst the first to support a strong leader who actually would use them to "defend" America against its own citizens ... just as I am sure you were among those clear-headed Americans who defended and justified the elaboration of intelligence reports so they reflected what we "knew" was in Iraq and could be used to stampede Americans into an unnecessary and very costly war (you might even believe the wmds were "snuck" out of Iraq just before the invasion, or ... better yet ... that we actually found some), the illegal wire-tapping of American citizens' phones, the illegal detention of "material witnesses" never charged with any crime, the torture of "evil-doers" to extract "useful" information, and the appointment of US Attorneys on the basis of their loyalty to the Leader.
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that you are not in agreement with the path chosen by the last administration to hopefully prevent another 9/11 style incident on American soil. But the fact of the matter is that objective was clearly achieved. Now whether we needed to depose Sadaam Hussien is a topic that I know you and I are NEVER going to agree on so we won't debate that here. I understand that you are obviously a pacificist which I would like to think ALL of us are. Where our perspectives probably differ is HOW we maintain peace in this world. I know that you are not an ignorant person (a little too idealistic possibly...but that's okay) so I hope you understand that there is a VERY SIGNIFICANT,DANGEROUS, UNREASONABLE, and RELENTLESS element in the world today that DOES NOT and WILL NOT EVER like the U.S. and "live and let live"!!!! Hence, if we wish to enjoy the style of life we are used to,we have to protect ourselves. We are not living in "La-La" land my friend!!! The ONLY thing that these sources of threat to our way of life understand and respond to is BRUTE FORCE!!
So I will close this post with this thought. If the present administration allows another domestic terrorist attack to occur on American soil through flawed foriegn policy and intelligence gathering, I think our man Barack Obama will be lookiing for another job in the next three and half years.
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I appreciate the fact that you can disagree in an agreeable fashion (and even find some area of agreement, while doing it) ... it's a rare skill in this day and age of faux outrage, and I am pleased to let you know that I am thankfull. Let me point out a couple of areas of disagreement, however. Just because there were no attacks subsequent to the one on 9/11 does not mean that anyone did anything to prevent them or, for that matter, that anything that anyone did had anything to do with the fact that there were no other attacks. Anyone who ascribes to this way of thinking will have to acknowledge that Bill Clinton similarly succeeded in preventing another attack on U.S. soil, and he was able to do it without abandoning the Constitution or violating the rights of any American citizen.
I do understand that there is a VERY SIGNIFICANT, DANGEROUS, UNREASONABLE, and RELENTLESS element in the world today that DOES NOT and WILL NOT EVER like the U.S." Similarly, I realize that we must protect ourselves and understand that brute force is all that they understand ... but may I suggest that a brutal response is precisely what the "evil-doers" to whom you refer want us to provide. You see, the difference between a cell or a network of terrorists and a uniformed, state military force is that they are different. A state military force can be scouted out with relative ease, isolated and engaged in combat, and even though there may be civilian casualties in the exchange, as a rule they are acceptable and at least understandable. On the other hand, terrorists are civilians who live in the midst the population and when we exert brutal force against them, we also exert that same force (indiscriminately, I might add) against the non-combatants within range. For every terrorist that we take out with our brute-force response, they are able to recruit ten more who survived the attack and witnessed first hand the outcome of our brutishness. Terrorists ... already prepared to die while acting to support whatever it is they believe, are equally willing to invite a rain of bombs on themselves if it will corroborate what they have always been telling the locals about us.
Additionally, terrorists thrive on unpredictability. Even if you know they are going to drive a car bomb into a building, there is something they will do that is unexpected or unique. They thus exploit (and create) uncertainty, confusion, and fear. A military force operating in populated areas (especially densely populated urban areas) ... even when welcomed with open arms ... adds uncertainty, confusion, and fear. It also invites attack, raw violence, noise, chaos and destruction of what used to be peaceful neighborhoods, historical landmarks and shrines, neighborhood markets, and other symbols of continuity, longevity and culture. Imagine tanks and rocket launchers in downtown Walnut Creek ... if you are a civilian caught between the warring factions, you're not going to care too much about who is blowing what up, or which side is your "savior".
The point is that even non-traditional methods of warfare don't work when the "evil-doer" is a terrorist. The only thing that works is hard police work. Precision military strikes might be a follow-up to the investigation and intelligence gathering ... but every civilian life lost, every historical landmark destroyed, every home bombed into oblivion by blunt force action is a small defeat for the 'good guys'. And when it comes to the countries we have invaded (or simply armed and trained), we will never "win" whatever it is that is going on. In Iraq, we may have deposed Saddam Hussein, but the Shi'a majority that he oppressed is never going to form a government (let alone a democratic government) that will be very amenable to our demands. Afghanistan is even worse ... it is highly unlikely that it will ever be able to form a government, at all. Ironically, the most democratic of all the countries in this region is Iran (witness the significant challenge the populace presented to the undemocratic mullahs in the last "election" held there), but we pretty much destroyed any credibility we had in that country when we overthrew its last democratic government and replaced it with a brutal dictator whom the Ayatollah overthrew.
So answer me this: Did the military protect us against 9/11? Granted it is possible that they didn't understand what the intelligence was telling them (August 6, 2001 PDB: "Bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S.", "possible hijackings", "surveillance of buildings in New York", "FBI conducting approximately 70 investigations in the United States"), or ... more likely didn't trust anything that smacked of Bill Clinton ... but wouldn't it have been prudent to have at least part of the military on some ready alert? Or would that have done any good?
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and will continue to threaten our country. Unfortunately we are just going to have to wait and see what the next "step" is going to consist of and I am not real comfortable with how the present administration is going about processing it. I think Barack has presented himself to some of the more dangerous governments in the world today as being somewhat naive. If he is unfortunate enough to be the recipient of another 9/11 type event on his "watch" it's going to be a baaaaaaaaaaaaaad deal for his legacy!!!!!
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It is unfortunate that you feel this way. But then, I felt that the last president did EVERYTHING wrong when it came to protecting us. He invaded a country that perhaps had a despicable leader, but had done nothing to undermine or threaten our security (Saddam Hussein was a useful puppet ... a "good guy" when times called for an ally, a "bad guy" when an enemy was needed). He did so convinced that technology and swift, aggressive, and overwhelming force would win the day ... with hardly much of a plan in reserve should it prove not to work. He then initiated an occupation of two ancient parts of the world with long histories and traditions of absorbing and repelling invasion, leaving us in a precarious and expensive occupation with no end in sight. When distracted, he allowed an entire army to slip out of Afghanistan (fully armed and intact) into a neighboring state whose borders have verged on anarchy for decades and which possesses nuclear weapons. Work on gas pipelines in old Soviet territories alienated just about everybody (except the despotic and tyrannical leaders of a couple states who profited greatly from this work ... again making buddies with "useful" tyrants while at the same time building "democracy" in a place where an old ally had lost his usefulness). Nuclear weapons have proliferated through Bush policies that refused to negotiate, our traditional allies took major steps away from us at a time when we most needed their support, and powder kegs all became more explosive.
What, exactly, is the Obama administration doing that makes you so nervous? I'll tell what he's doing that makes ME nervous ... he is not ending the occupation of Afghanistan, and seems determined to escalate our presence there. But he has taken aggressive action in Pakistan to help the Pakistanis reassert control in the western provinces bordering Afghanistan. There is nothing naive about Hillary Clinton, nor the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
If I were you, I would be more concerned about an Oklahoma City-type act of terrorism in the next couple of years.
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Wow. You certainly hit on a lot of the left's false memes in that one.
re: "appointment of US attorneys"
False. They serve at the whim of the president. Clinton fired over 90 of them, just to hide the _fact_ that he wanted to get rid of the ones investigating his cronies. obama's AG holder recently dismissed a CONVICTION for voter intimidation, simply because the convicted were Black Panther Party members. Just as cllinton did, obama has been dismissing attorneys based on what and who they were investigating. obama has also been firing Inspector Generals that have been/are investigating his cronies.
re: "torture of evil-doers"
Ask Daniel Pearl, or any of the other victims of islamists about torture. You don't even know what torture is. The enhanced interrogation techniques used on a FEW of the islamists was quite effective.
re: "Illegal wire-tapping of american citizens' phones"
Wasn't done. Are you upset because your calls to your Al-Qaeda buddies were intercepted?
re: "wmds were "snuck" out of Iraq just before the invasion, or ... better yet ... that we actually found some"
WMD's were found. More were smuggled out. I realize that these are facts that don't fit the narrative you were given to espouse here.
re: 'elaboration of intelligence reports so they reflected what we "knew" was in Iraq'
Again, didn't happen.
Go back to your DNC masters and get some different talking points.
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Don't need new talking points, though I come up with them all the time. Occasionally, I do slip back into the past to remind hypocrites of things they have stood for in the past (unless, of course, they were sleeping through the period). But, since you have called me out, let's revisit a couple of your points, shall we?
US Attorneys: Ronald Reagan replaced 89 of 93 US Attorneys in the first two years of his first administration (and 71 of those 93 in just the first year). Bill Clinton replaced 89 of 93 in his first two years (80 in the first). George W Bush replaced 88 of 93 US Attorneys in his first two years. Barack Obama has nominated less than 20 new US Attorneys, so far, and will undoubtedly continue to do so. As you say, they serve at the pleasure of the President, and it is common practice for presidents to replace most of the US Attorney corps within the first two years. The issue to which I referred, however, is the sudden replacement of nine US Attorneys mid-way through GW Bush's second term, all for questions of political loyalty.
Torture: Bad people DO torture and DO practice inhumane treatment of prisoners. The United States never has, and never should. It is one of the things that makes the United States superior to bad people or bad governments. I DO know what torture is, because it is spelled out in treaties, in US law, and in the Army field manual. As to any useful or actionable intelligence gathered from the torture of prisoners, there is not one shred of evidence that has been put forward to support the claim. Instead, we have (1) liar liar Dick Cheney lying about how effective it was, and (2) Congressional testimony from Ali Soufan (the FBI agent on-site and in charge of interrogation) that the only actionable intelligence gathered from Abu Zubaydah came BEFORE private contractors began water-boarding him.
Illegal wire-tapping: Joseph Nacchio, CEO of Qwest Communications in February 2001, has testified that the NSA denied a foreign contract Qwest had already won because it refused to turn over records to the government (forcing Qwest to obey the request). Verizon, responding to criminal charges that it had turned over records and wire-tapping capabilities to the NSA in early 2001, charged that AT&T began constructing a spy facility for the Bush administration, at the request of John Poindexter, a few days after the inauguration.
WMDs: NO wmds were found in Iraq. Saddam Hussein had destroyed them all ... or moved them OUT of Iraq ... as required by the UN. Take off your tinfoil hat, son ... it is clear your communications are coming from Zutan.
Lying about intelligence: There were no wmds ... though Cheney and Rumsfeld, who originally gave wmds to Saddam Hussein, thought they were probably still there and would eventually be found ... so either the intelligence was really bad (and George Tenet does not deserve his Medal of Freedom), or someone modified the intelligence to report what they "knew" they would find. There was no yellow-cake uranium. There were no imminent mushroom clouds (Condi). There was NO connection between Osama bin-Laden and Saddam Hussein. It was all faked.
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The word succinct is not in Mr. Shays vocabulary, ask him what time it is and he will tell you how to make a watch.
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When dealing with simpletons, succinctness is a necessity.
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I have never once said that I was a scholar, but I do think that simpleton is a bit much, but to each his own, that's what free speech is all about, and when we all lose that freedom do not blame me.
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In your case, "simpleton" may have been over dramatization to make a point. I was attempting to be succinct, since you expressed an opinion suggesting I could not. That said, I generally believe in being thorough. Follow along if you will (but remember they invented the scroll button for people like me).
In regards to free speech, in my lifetime, the biggest formal, institutionalized threat to free speech has consistently come from the right ... granted, I have been to rallies and demonstrations and even public meetings where hooligans from the left shouted people down with whom they did not agree as loudly and with as much spirit as anyone, and that most certainly counts. Fortunately, cooler heads tend to prevail and sites such as this one abound.
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Indulge us.
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Don't hold your breath.
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Better.
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Thanks
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This is a question of taste. I am a passive sort of person who believes we can all find a way to get along (even with mind-bogglingly stupid people like yourself) ... Cheney and Rumsfeld are war criminals who have built entire careers tearing people to pieces and fabricating information to justify their insatiable love of power. Liars have no integrity, last time I checked.
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i find very few people that voted for Bush still liked him at the end of his Presidency = even his voters didn't like/support his actions
in fact many voted Dem on this ticket, as a result
SO YOU ARE COMPLETELY OFF BASE. sounds like you feel guilty about boosting Obama, thats what I think = you've figured out he's a rat bastard like the rest, or even worse
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It took almost eight years for most of the people in this country to come to realize what a wiener they had elected ... he still had a hard core of 17-20% that supported him, which I guess goes to show how many are willing to end democracy right now and just appoint a big boss to boss us all around. As to me being "off base" and then feeling guilty about being an Obama supporter ... I do not follow your reasoning. But since yours is unclear to me, let me explain mine to you. I am a pretty far-left leaning liberal, and even a moderate like Barack Obama is preferential to anyone else in the final reckoning. And that is not a misprint or a typo ... I consider Obama to be very moderate (and, unfortunately, very pro-capitalist; hence his salvation of the financial sector and his appointment of Good Old Boys to head Treasury) ... and if that doesn't toast your stockings, Bill Clinton was a Republican Lite, as far as i am concerned. That said, my areas of disagreement with Obama are mounting, but not for reasons that you think; and no matter what he has done, so far, it is light-years better than the alternative a McCain/Palin administration would have provided.
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All I can say is turn-about is fair play ... now all you far righties know how it felt to see the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Feith, Wolfowitz, Scanlon, Abramoff, Gonzalez, et. al. appointed to key positions in the last administration. But I guess like petulant children you are going to "get even
Shays, you need to slam some more chiva and go back to sleep. I seem to recall Cheney et al being "elected" or sniffed by congress, meaning they were vetted by the American people. If you can't see the diff between that and simply bypassing the process with Van "Crack" Jones, then who is being petulant? Another thing, Dems control both houses, and the major media. IF Van Jones was simply being bothered by "petulant" ones, why did they not simply ignore and continue with biz a s usual. Answer? Even the top dems and media lap dogs knew there was something rotten in Denmark with a nut job who thinks our own gov't let 9-11 happen.
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Wake up ... Cheney/Wolfowitz are but one side of the corporate shill that some foolishly call a "coin"; Jones/Lefties of your choice are the other. Cheney was not "elected" ... his crime family stole the first election, and he has never been "vetted" by anyone. He is the only person still speaking aloud in defense of the last administration because he really is Darth Vader ... the voice for The New American Century must be kept alive, and the only person with the gravitas to deliver it is Cheney.
And just how do you know, so authoritatively, that our government did NOT allow 9/11 to happen? The only investigation into it ... as in so many of the high profile "crimes" committed against America and Americans ... was a sham. There is so much unexplored evidence and so many unanswered questions as to make your definitive defense a joke. I do not know if the administration was involved in some capacity ... but I want someone to conduct an authoritative, independent investigation to answer those questions. You will notice that both Dems and Pubs oppose such an investigation. Just as they both oppose investigation into the alleged crimes and abuses of power of Bush II.
You have every right to challenge arbitrary and seemingly authoritarian dismantling of America's governmental system ... but at least open your eyes and recognize that the two major political parties in this country are playing Punch and Judy with us, and are up to their elbows in connivance and efforts to dance to the tune played by Big Finance and Big Corporate America. As to the media ... yes, there are liberal talking heads who are given some space to express their bias on the main stream media; similarly there are plenty of conservatives allowed the same space. This creates the illusion of a free market-place of ideas, that freedom of speech actually exists, and that dispute and argument actually occurs. But remember this ... ALL the media is corporate owned and controlled, and nothing gets reported (or at least reported in depth, or showing connections so people can hook dot to dot) that seriously threatens its interests.
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re: And just how do you know, so authoritatively, that our government did NOT allow 9/11 to happen?
You have finally revealed yourself as a Truther.
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Now I know why all you whack jobs jump so quickly and completely to conclusions (false or otherwise) ... you read a line (usually out of context), attach your own meaning to it, and then proceed to act as if your interpretation is the God-given truth. I said there are lots of unanswered questions that deserve investigation. I also said I reserve judgment until such time as an investigation takes place. But then, a request for more information must sound pretty alien to a person such as yourself, who knows everything already.
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like Shays says!
because Clinton was the one in Office when 9/11 was planned.
so in between blow jobs he helped the Taliban, its clear now. thanks Shays!
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the guys you named have been washington insiders for decades!!!! you know, like BIDEN!!!
Obama is putting his former crack dealers into positions of power, such as "czar". what the F is a czar? Oh, someone that doesn't answer to anyone but the president = WE SEE
funny HOW FAST Obama's ratings are declining....just like all Dem Presidents doesn't take long before america WAKES UP, smells a rat!
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Can someone please mention the comments that Van Jones made?
I heard his comments earliers this year "f... the Republicans", there was a bunch of laughter, he repeated his comment and then there was more laughter. I really wasn't too upset about that. Heck, it's Berkeley where that kind of intolerance is very common. If I got upset everytime someone from Berkeley hated me for my politics or my religion , I would spend a lot of my time being upset.
I would appreciate hearing his comments about 9/11 and the people responsible. Does anybody have a link to that? Can someone quote his other comments?
Thanks,
Andy voted best looking poster three years in a row
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The ny times, and other msm, have been ignoring this story for weeks.
Here are some starters:
h ttp://w ww.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/back-story/2009/sep/03/green-jobs-czar-signed-truther-statement-in-2004/?feat=home_blogs
ht tp:// hotair.com/archives/2009/09/05/audio-multitalented-truthercommunistobama-czar-also-a-record-producer/
ht tp:// [bleep]masmedia.com/eddriscoll/2009/09/05/van-goes-under-the-bus/
(Remove spaces in the URLs)
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As if the faux controversy isn't bad enough, and is if the old foxes aren't now calling the new foxes out, here's something a bit more to chew on. Van Jones, long before becoming a born-again capitalist who saw green energy as the way to save America and American jobs, was the co-founder of an organization called Color of Change (which he no longer heads). It was Color of Change that led the movement to "get" Glenn Beck. Now, it is Glenn Beck who has led the movement to get rid of Van Johnson.
More "turn-around-is-fair-play".
Ahh ... the webs we weave. And who said that the bullies in high school actually grew up?
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"Now, it is Glenn Beck who has led the movement to get rid of Van Johnson."
(shays 09-07-2009)
Glenn Beck is out to get Van Johnson!!!!! And I liked him so much in The Last Time I Saw Paris. Shame on Glenn for picking on a dead man.
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Ho ho ho ho
Sorry for the mistrake, I usually don't make 'em
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NEVER. why? they are all too stupid, and don't want to fix anything anyway - - nor are they capable of fixing anything
who wants to listen to someone promote higher taxes and bigger more obtrusive government?? the idiots that vote Dem don't even know what their party stands for...
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Overall in this little game I would have to say Beck is leading one to nothing, Beck will smell blood in the water I look for him to start a real attack on a few more of those Czars.
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they can cover up NEWSWORTHY releases.
VAN JONES IS A WHITEY HATER, but was exposed, so Obama dumped him.
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Obama has a habit of throwing people off the bus when they become a liability. Clinton did the same. Compare that to George W ... you just pretend nobody noticed anything corrupt or unsavory about an appointee, then you circle the wagons and protect them.
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I would assume that you are alluding to those that failed to pay their taxes?
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Since I referred to three presidents, your question is a bit vague. I will therefore assume you are asking about George W Bush, whose practice was to ignore complaints ... and even evidence ... of wrongdoing, until such time as there was nothing to do. The list is quite lengthy, as his administration ranks right up there with one of the most corrupt and one of the most special-interest serving administrations in American history. I don't even want to bother to look up all the names, so will just cite examples (if that's okay).
I'll start with George Tenet. This is a man who headed an agency that provided such profoundly bad intelligence that we went to war because of an imminent threat that didn't exist (either that, or he participated in one of the most blatant examples of false testimony and prefabricated reporting in recent history). After retirement, he received a Presidential Medal of Honor.
Dusty Foggo. Number 3 man in the CIA. Resigned (finally) after allegations that he actively participated in defense contractor bribery with his lifelong friend Brent R. Wilkes and Representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham. This scandal brought down Porter Goss (appointed to replace George Tenet), who regularly attended the poker games the Duke threw.
Stephen Johnson. Head of EPA. Regularly "suggested" that EPA scientists change wording or leave certain content out of their reports (most famous being the recent reversal of his decision not to enforce carbon emissions, even though his staff rejected his report; second most famous being rejection of states' rights effort to have tougher emission standards than the EPA formalized).
Actually, the EPA (and its director, whomever it happened to be at the time ... didn't really matter, since loyalty to Bush policy had priority to science or environmental protection), has a very spotted record throughout the Bush administration. Do you remember how new limits on arsenic in drinking water were withdrawn by the EPA in 2001, despite two decades of research; do you also recall how the requirement that local water authorities report arsenic levels in water were also withdrawn? Actually, refusal to regulate emissions from cars, coal-burning electricity factories, and the oil industry began in 2003. Do you remember the EPAs ruling regarding pesticides and the Clean Water Act in 2006? Scientists at EPA were alarmed at the increasing levels of pesticides in the water, but the head of the EPA "clarified" the standards (i.e., eliminated them) and allowed companies to apply pesticides deliberately over water ... without permits ... as long as they "targeted" mosquitos and aquatic weeds.
The Department of the Interior fares no better. You remember Johnnie Burton, the Minerals Management Service Director? Her agency played with oil executives and lobbyists for four years ... engaging in sex and drugs and party favors in exchange for oil leases and energy contracts. We won't talk about mountaintop strip mining, or coal ash waste deposit dams ...
Does any of this ring a bell?
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I am so thankful for Glenn Beck and others that are doing the hard work of exposing the vermin that are this current administration. President Obama has defined himself by the company he keeps. Rev Wright, Ayers, Van Jones, Carol Browner, Cass R. Sunstein, Mark Lloyd and a cast of others that keeps growing. This administration is evil, has evil intent and must be stopped in every legal way possible.
Stop this healthcare sham and stop cap and tax. Stop them cold. Our President must be forced into a box where he can no longer effect his plan to destroy the America we know.
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Please describe the America that you know.
And why do you fear your fellow man, just because he believes differently than you?
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You sir, are a fool. The perfect type to fill the role of political commissar.
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Shays reminds me of Kwai Chang Caine. Walking into a dusty bar in the old west, the lone liberal surrounded on all sides by rabid rightwing crazies, yet smoothly deflecting all their flailing attacks and dumping them on the floor in an embarrassing pile.
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I envision a bridge to rosebud
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I am no fool, but you certainly are free to delude yourself. I asked you a simple question: please elaborate on your meaning. In case you have forgotten (are you also a victim of short attention deficit disorder ... SADD), I present it for you again:
Our President must be forced into a box where he can no longer effect his plan to destroy the America we know.
My request: please describe the America the president plans to destroy.
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America is a free nation and Obama and his left wing crew (with the big government activism/centralized control agenda they promote) are a threat to that. Remember Rahm Emmanuel's comment about "not letting a crisis go to waste"?
The Constitution specifically limits the power of the government and his supporters have referred to it as a "living document" and/or want to defer to international laws when interpreting it. And who can forget Obama specifically wanting a Supreme Court justice for so called "empathy" reasons. Obama himself claimed courts did not "go far enough" to address the issue of "redistributive justice" during the civil rights era of the 1960s.
"Spreading the wealth around" is not what I would call a recipe for economic growth/job creation/personal initiative. Neither is his cap and trade program or hamstringing the private sector's ability to create jobs with additional taxes/regulations. And some of us are not buying the song and dance routine about government health care plans supposedly covering millions more people, providing "better services" and somehow being more "cost efficient" at the same time. How much was Medicare projected to cost when it was introduced in the 1960s? And how much does it cost right now? A lot more.
I don't expect you to fear any of this because you politically agree with Obama. Some of us do not. Van Jones was a self proclaimed communist and made racially insensitive remarks about "white polluters" and black children never being involved with incidents of school violence. So why would Obama (the supposedly postracial candidate) want to be associated with someone like this? Because these are the kind of people he has been associating with all of his political life (Ayers, Pfleger, Wright, etc.) and that is what has shaped his far left belief system/view of this nation. And Obama now thinks he can "fix" the country using it and accuses people of "bickering" or "playing political games" if they do not agree with him.
And spare us the lecture about "fearing your fellow man". You have made your share of insulting remarks about "right wing crazies" having guns/being armed or so called "closet racists" who dare challenge the left wing status quo on the reasoning process behind racial preference programs.
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America is a free nation and Obama and his left wing crew (with the big government activism/centralized control agenda they promote) are a threat to that.
In what way, sir? In everything he says, I hear reference to a freedom to choose (Republicans, on the other hand, would restrict and control our choices in just about every situation, except that related to gun ownership). I have not yet heard anyone on either side of the aisle accuse this President of ordering the phones of American citizens to be wiretapped ... for any reason! To the best of my recollection, so far no American citizens have been rounded up and transported to a "secure location" on the basis of them being a "material witness" to an undefined crime, held without access to a lawyer, charged with no crime, but held indefinitely. I will admit that this administration seems fairly intent on curbing the freedom of sprawling health care corporations to cheat citizens of affordable health care (and denying health care to those who might actually pose a risk of making a claim) ... but that's about it. Please elaborate on the freedom you feel is threatened.
Oh, yeah ... When Mr Emmanuel spoke of not letting a crisis go by, he was merely channelling Bush-Cheney, now wasn't he?
The Constitution specifically limits the power of the government and his supporters have referred to it as a "living document" and/or want to defer to international laws when interpreting it.
Yes, indeed, the Constitution defines and clearly limits powers. For example, the Constitution does not give the President the power to declare war or to commit American soldiers overseas, only to command the Army and Navy and the militias (but the latter only when actually called into the service of the United States). The Congress is given the specific power to declare war. The last time the Congress exercised that power was on December 11, 1941. And yet thousands of American soldiers and millions of civilians (innocent or otherwise) have died in the intervening 68 years. So if the Constitution is not a "living document", how in the world have so many presidents been able to justify the legality of their actions? There are literally hundreds of other such examples that I could cite, but I'll provide just a couple: where in the Constitution is the federal government given the power to finance and build interstate railroads or highways, to regulate and monitor air traffic, or to spy on foreign and domestic enemies?
I'll tell you where these powers come from (legally or otherwise): To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
And who can forget Obama specificallywanting a Supreme Court justice for so called "empathy" reasons. Obama himself claimed courts did not "go far enough" to address the issue of "redistributive justice" during the civil rights era of the 1960s.
He specifically identified empathy as one of the strengths that Supreme Court Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor would bring to the Court; and the president is correct about the second half of your complaint ... because overt racism and discrimination continues, it is clear that the Warren Court did not go far enough in protecting the rights it extended.
"Spreading the wealth around" is not what I would call a recipe for economic growth/job creation/personal initiative.
And yet during time of war and for a period of time lasting almost three more decades, tax policies in which the wealthiest Americans paid as much as 90% of their income, price and wage controls, redistribution of collected revenue to provide education, housing, small business loans and a social safety net for the less fortunate (i.e., "spreading the wealth around") resulted in America becoming the strongest economic power on the planet. I personally remember that despite the high tax rate, there were still wealthy people, and that energetic and innovative people were free to exercise their talents and vision to join them! I also know, again from personal experience, that those same wealthy Americans, sill being taxed anywhere from 70-90% of their income until I was well into my twenties, somehow managed to invest in new companies or to improve established operations while the economy flourished. In short, post-war America ... with high rates of taxation on personal and business income, a strong social safety net, and vast investments in social programs and government construction projects ... was EXACTLY a "recipe for economic growth/job creation/personal initiative".
Neither is his cap and trade program or hamstringing the private sector's ability to create jobs with additional taxes/regulations.
First, cap-and-trade is not a program, yet. Secondly, it would not be necessary to FORCE companies to resume their social responsibility had they voluntarily done so at any point over the last three decades. Back then, it would have been very productive to support legitimate efforts to find and develop alternative sources of energy besides coal-fired electrical generation and gasoline-driven internal combustion engines ... Jimmy Carter initiated many programs to do just that. But in those days, coal and petroleum were "cheap" (well, the petroleum "conveniently" became cheap again, once Jimmy Carter was removed from office and deals were struck with evil-doers in the Middle East). Though "cheap", even then we were very aware that they were extremely dirty and harmful to the environment, and that -- because they were non-renewable resources -- their supply was limited (and increasingly in more difficult ... and expensive ... places to obtain). But because they were "cheap", short-sighted CEOs of increasingly powerful multinational corporations chose to extract and use as much of it as quickly as possible to maximize profits rather than look to future needs. Back then, for example, it would have been relatively inexpensive to convert from coal-fired electrical generation to natural-gas. So, just like putting off fixing the leak in your roof for ten or twenty years tends to increase the cost of fixing it when you finally get around to doing the work, there is also a strong possibility that collateral damage and expenses might arise from your negligence. Yes ... cap-and-trade will be expensive. While there should be provisions that the increased expenses for greedy, short-sighted corporations should not be passed on to consumers (born, in entirety, by corporate executives ... past and present ... as well as investors in companies that did not apply pressure on those executives to do the right thing), it is true that consumers have benefitted from the procrastination, as well. So ... let it be a lesson learned; we all share in the expense of the short-sightedness of some, and move on; but we don't let it happen again.
Companies will just have to find ways to deal in a market-place in which one of their expenses is a higher cut of their profits. Innovative and creative entrepreneurs thrive on such challenges, I have always been told by conservative business types. Those that can't go the way of the dinosaurs.
And some of us are not buying the song and dance routine about government health care plans supposedly covering millions more people, providing "better services" and somehow being more "cost efficient" at the same time. How much was Medicare projected to cost when it was introduced in the 1960s? And how much does it cost right now? A lot more.
Hate to shake you awake, but EVERYTHING costs a lot more today than it did in the 1960s. The cost of medical care is rising faster than inflation, however ... it is rising as much as 7 or 8 times faster (my insurance provider just announced a 22% increase in premiums). As you know, I do not believe private insurers and profit-taking ought to be involved in health care, at all (if people want to gamble on how long they will live, whether their house will burn down or not, or on their ability to avoid a catastrophic car accident ... and the last two types of insurance are already mandated in many states); if they want to exploit the desires of those who like trim bottoms and puffy lips, large breasts and smaller stomachs, that's okay. Again, people should have choices. But primary health care should be provided by a single-payer, and everyone of us should be a part of the primary insurance pool. I recognize that there are too many stupid people out there to ever allow this to occur. So the next best thing is to provide an option (again ... a CHOICE) for those who wish to buy into a publicly funded option. I really don't give a rat's pitootey if you don't care about the health of some poor unemployed middle-aged man in Tennessee, and resent the fact that some of your hard-earned dollars might go to providing him with chemotherapy ... there are plenty of cold, callous, uncaring s.o.b.s in the world and yet the rest of us still manage to support and help each other when in need.
I had just graduated from high school when Medicare passed. I wasn't too concerned about what happened to old people (in general), but both my grandparents were eligible and highly supportive of its adoption ... so I paid attention. For $3 they enrolled in Medicare Part B. While some Republicans ended up voting for Medicare (and in those days, when there were still these bizarre creatures called "moderate Republicans", some of them even helped write the silly thing), they were pretty loudly opposed to ... and in large numbers. Of course the costs have gone up (I enrolled at Long Beach State in that same year, and my "student fee" was $14), and the costs have been added to since Republicans managed to (1) borrow from the Trust Fund by transferring it to the General Fund, (2) "reform it" by subsidizing private insurance companies to rob from the elderly and denying Medicare the power to negotiate drug prices, and (3) attempted to privatize it, entirely. So ... the hundreds of billions from Medicare will come by revoking the subsidies paid to private insurers and then identifying and trimming the wasteful, duplicitous, often times unnecessary expenses that accrue when Republicans stop regulating.
Van Jones was a self proclaimed communist and made racially insensitive remarks about "white polluters" and black children never being involved with incidents of school violence.
So freaking what? You guys go ga-ga and fall in love with all of your closeted gay members or wife-betraying adulterers, even though many of them built careers on bashing gays and demanding that cheating husbands be kicked out of government. All Van Jones did was say that as a young college student he considered himself to be a communist. Even Ronald Reagan flirted with communism and socialism in his youth! Besides, there is nothing illegal about being a communist as far as I can tell ... neither the Constitution forbids it, and none of the "Living part" of it does so either. Every year, a communist manages to get his or her name on the ballot for President. Grow up ... this is a free country and people are free to express whatever political beliefs they desire; it is YOU who is responsible to decide whether you want to agree with them. I do not know anything about the "white polluters" part of your comment (and am sure you will inform me) ... but I grew up living next door to a chicano barrio and many of my best friends lived there; I KNOW how they feel about white people (in general), and I also know that they have every right to feel that way.
And spare us the lecture about "fearing your fellow man". You have made your share of insulting remarks about "right wing crazies" having guns/being armed or so called "closet racists" who dare challenge the left wing status quo on the reasoning process behind racial preference programs.
I have nothing to fear from my fellow man ... UNLESS he is deranged, carries a gun in public to express his point of view, or decides to use it. I also have plenty of first-hand experience with closet racists (and open racists, as well). We may have made a lot of gains in respect to racism in this country (I was most impressed by the diversity present in that Arlington high school where the president made his socialistic, indoctrination speech ... but then, I find that to be true in most high schools I visit today, or in downtown San Francisco, or riding BART), and many of us have worked very hard to accomplish what has been accomplished (the work made harder by open and closeted racists); but Barack Obama and other talking heads are a bit premature to describe America as post-racial. We will not come close to that until, as just one example, the percentage of people incarcerated in this country more closely reflects the racial and social demographic. Remember ... I taught junior high for 25+ years, and my work as a staff developer in California took me to hundreds of high schools and hundreds of high school classrooms; I know, for a fact, that opportunities for children to become the best that they can be are still fairly restricted in urban and rural schools (funding, materials available, experience of teachers on the staff, quality of facilities, curriculum options, to name but a few), but the skills, intelligence, potential and dreams of kids in those schools are relatively similar (if only by laws of probability) to those attending the more affluent schools in our communities where kids get all sorts of advantages and legs-up denied to the rest. We must address these inequities ... perhaps affirmative action is not the best way, but it is a proven way and it works.