Posted on Tuesday, 6/30/2009 - 10:57 a.m. PDT — by Trooper1
Three arrested in slaying of Antioch teen
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
This Incident (Violent - Robbery - Murder ) That which took a 19 year old Recent Deer Valley High school Graduates life over the weekend here in south east Antioch Williamson ranch area, was truly a senseless vicious act of violence, from some cold blooded, gun carrying, cowardly killers - The article states that they apparently resided within a few blocks from the park where they killed this young man. The article also states that these killers were originally from Oakland but now reside here in south east Antioch - Let me guess another Section 8 Household - Iam willing to bet anything that the household that these murderers were located is a section 8 residence -Three guys go to rob one young man (Three guys) a struggle occurs and the young man was shot multiple times (Not once). Three guys against one do you really need a gun? In my opinion they planned on robbing this young man and killing him - This is an outrage - Iam truly sickened by all of this -All of us decent residents located in this area need to come together and rid section 8 from this area once and for all - Go after the Home owners who rent to section 8 - Raise hell at Antioch Council Meetings and The housing Authority Etc......THIS NEEDTS TO STOP - WE MUST ACT NOW!
Dear Butler Family,
My heart is filled with sadness at your loss of Matthew. I can not imagine the pain you feel now
But I wanted to let you know that our loving thoughts are with you - God Bless you and your family.
Here are the contacts:
Housing Authority:
http://www.contracostahousing.org/contactus.htm
Antioch City Council:
http://www.ci.antioch.ca.us/CityGov/citycouncil.htm
UCBN:
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this killing was absolutely terrible, and our hearts go out to the family and all of my friends who knew him. i met him a few times and rememeber him always being a nice guy.
please dont use this to your political ends, just not now.
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Not all section 8 people are bad people. Some people really need the financial assistance. I agree though- they need to do something about the violence in Antioch. It is just getting worse. People that have lived here since 2000 have noticed a difference. The stories we hear in the news just make me sick. We need to get rid of these people that are coming from Oakland or wherever, they are doing nothing but causing nonsense and making this town look bad.
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(nonsense and making this town look bad)
Don't Make No Mistake - They Murdered this young man in cold blood - Because they are killers and thieves with no value for human life - The numerous amount of section 8 homes in our area - think about it - sure there are many more killers all around us.
Where we shop - Eating establishments where we take our family - The Parks where we take our kids to play - Our schools where our kids attend - All around our neighborhoods where we like to take the dog on a walk..
Its up to you - Fight to rid section 8 from this area or live with the possibly of becoming a victim or be forced out from fear - I placed the emails contacts above where you can be heard and demand a solution - I have - Now you must..
God Bless you and your family have a safe 4th of july...
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I am new to this forum and this is my third post.
I do not mean to be insensitive however I must point out that this "innocent" victom was seeling illegal drugs. Which would make him a drug dealer. He was killed doing something highly illegal and very dangerous.
I myself am not happy with all the new section 8 housing families moving in. if any of you read my last post it was reminicent of when me and my family moved here some 17-18 years ago.
However, now its the present. And the section 8 people are here. I don't think we will be able to get rid of them, we may be able to stop more from coming into our neighborhoods but we should try and do something with the ones who are already here.
Majority of crimes are commited by kids, or young adults who still live with their parents so u can still count them as kids because they pay no bills. In the eyes of the law however 18+ is an adult. But still even an 18+ who lives with their parents must do what mommy and daddy asks of them or risks being thrown out.
I think we should concentrate on creating community awareness programs, getting all the families and neighbors involved especially those families with children and section 8. Infact make it mandatory and educate them on what is going on with their children.
For example lets take a little thing like Bicycle theft. Now I am a 13 year old boy, and I come home with a brand new bike that mommy and daddy has never seen before. Will they praise me and show affection..."good work son, you got yourself a new toy." Or will they ask "where in the hell did you get that bike?"
I know for sure my parents would be all over me. Asking me where i got the bike?, how I got it?, what did I do to get it?, and eventually after a good "talk" code for [bleep] whoopin, tell me to take it back with an apology to whomever I took it from.
But the reality is now adays u see a lot of kids getting their bikes stolen...and these kids who steal them take the bikes back home and no one says anything to them...[bleep]
We have got to get through to the parents people. Get them involved. After all parents...adults, are not out there partying all night, drinking, smoking, and beating innocent people up...they usually do that in bars, where they are legally allowed to be. Unlike their lil bastard children who are out running a muck.
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I was a close friend of Matthew. And while it is true that he was selling pot on a very small scale I dont belive that warrents his death. The pain that it has brought to his family friends all of the other lives that he touched is nearly unbearable. He was a hard working Barista at starbucks and working his way through school. He will be dearly missed by many.
I moved to Antioch when I was 14 years old and went through school with out ever losing a friend to violence or knew of anyone who went to jail (of course people in this town went to jail). However, the amount of voilent crime and robberies here has gone up at a staggering rate.
I have had a gun pulled on me many times, had my cell phone stolen and nearly shot.
I dont know what else I can say. It seems to me that the world is going crazy.
Pray for matts familly.
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Trooper1, I agree- but I'm just saying that not ALL POOR people will commit crime. Some are innocent and just happen to be struggling financially. I come from a low income family and although my family and I are not section 8, it is there if we ever needed it. MOST of the current section 8 tenants shouldn't be in Antioch. I went to school with Matt, we were not that close, but trust me. This whole incident makes hurts and angers me.
I agree with cophmaster. I knew so many people from my high school that got jumped for WALKING or BIKING in their own neighborhood during the afternoon. Now these people were causing NO harm and basically just enjoying an afternoon out. This was maybe 2-3 years ago. I had my own things stolen. My friends' things stolen. I knew so many people harassed while shopping, going to the store while these "thugs" hang around albertson's, the mall, etc... I'd rather stay home. I don't want to deal with it.
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lets not forget that the kid who was murdered was a drug dealer and had sold these thugs drugs earlier in the day and planned on doing it again when they robed him. his own actions got him killed its not like he was in the wrong place at the wrong time nor innocent
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you dont get DEATH by THUG because you sold some pot. these thugs would just have moved on to someone else that had something that they dont want to work for, they want to take.. 14yr old robbing a antioch store with a gun, today.. its low life parents raising low life kids which are causing these issues.. when you cant sell your home, your safety is in question.. will ya do something then ???
people can see the probs that came with section 8.. limit the amounts, do better checks on the houses and residents .. kids must be in school... not running the streests or you lose that check..
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Was Matthew's family on Section 8? The general consensus seems to be that Section 8 participants commit all of the crime in Antioch. Soooo extending that logic, I guess his parents must be recipients. Since Matthew was "selling a little pot" wouldn't he be considered a thug too? Isn't it just another thug who meets an untimely demise? I'm just asking.
Now before some of you try to get at me for my insensitivity, let me hold up a mirror so that you can take a good look at yourselves.
My apologies and condolences to the family members who may come across this.
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The consensus seems to be that the section eighters commit more of the violent crime that gets the headlines. It is the violent crime that is upsetting people. So, no, the logic doesn't extend.
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Mr.T i noticed that you use some logic and defend sec,8 on most of your post which is fine i have posted many of times before on the sec,8 program and young black males,i have lived in this town for many years and know that the majority of violent crimes here are commited by young black males who have been misguided by their parents and most have relocated here from west county and oakland,it is unfortunate that these youths are headed down these paths,alot of the antioch residents are fed up and if it is not the crimes it is the mentallity whether it be an in your face walk right in front of your car and give you a dirty look or what have you,most of these youths dont have a strong black male figure in their lives so they just say the hell with it i can do what i want so i cant say take it with a grain of salt when listening and responding to antioch citizens thats not the right word but understand most of these posters arent racist er maybe a little but are just fed up. peace out brutha.
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Bravo!
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yeah bug guy but the guy was 18 and probably selling knickle bags for gas money compared to these murderers man it just doesnt seem even.
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WOW...I HAVE READ ALL OF THESE COMMENT'S AND FELT THE NEED 2 STAND UP AS A SINGLE "PARENT" OF 6 KIDS WHICH 3 OF THEM (BOYS) WERE CLOSE FRIENDS OF MATT AS WAS I....TO MAKE THINGS CLEARER 4 PEOPLE 1ST AND 4 MOST, MATT BUTLER WAS NOT A DRUG DEALER AS WE (ADULTS) KNOW A DRUG DEALER, MATT (AS WITH MOST OF OUR KIDS THESE DAYS-YOURS AND MINE) WEATHER YOUR KIDS ARE UP FRONT WITH YOU OR NOT SMOKE AND OR SMALL TIME DELIVER AKA DEAL WEED, SO IF NO ONE HAS TOLD YOU PARENTS OUT THERE YET, YOUR NIEHBORS KIDS ARE DOING IT, YOUR KID ARE DOING IT N MY KIDS ARE DOING IT(EVEN IF WE LIKE IT OR NOT, BUT DONT BE IN DENILE) I WOULD HAVE TO SAY EVERY KID DOING IT IS SOME HOW SELLING FROM TIME TO TIME AMOUNG THERE OWN CIRCLE OF FRIENDS...WE MIGHT NOT SEE THEM BUT BEST BELIEVE THEY HAVE DONE IT OR ARE DOING IT AND NOT 2 MENTION THE GOVENOR U VOTED IN IS ABOUT 2 LEGALIZE IT AND ALLOW STORES 2 SELL IT AND THE PROFIT WILL BE COMING BACK 2 YOU PERSONALLY AND/OR THROUGH YOUR COMMUNITY AND OTHER PROGRAMS (SO ? )...SO MATT WAS A VICTM IN ALL SENSE OF THE WORD N AS MOST OF US ALL BELIEVE IN GOD (I HOPE) NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT 2 TAKE A LIFE OR JUDGE EXCEPT GOD...DOESNT IT SAY SOMETHING LIKE, IF YOU JUDGE, YOU YOURSELF SHALL BE JUDGED, ON JUDGEMENT DAY? NOW PLEASE ALLOW ME TO PLACE MATT'S "ABOUT ME" FROM HIS MYSPACE PAGE SO SOME GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHO MATT WAS AS A PERSON. THESE WORDS TELL YOU WHO HE IS AND WHAT HIS VIEWS WERE AND BY READING IT WILL ALSO ENLIGHTEN YOU ON WHAT TYPE OF YOUNG MAN HE WAS BECOMING, SO PLEASE SIT BACK AND ENJOY THE WORDS/VOICE 'WE' AS HIS OTHER FAMILY MISS SO MUCH... AND REMEMBER- ANYONE WHO DIED A VOILENT DEATH IS A VICTIM:......MATT'S MYSPACE: early early mornings at Starbucks. There are times where I'm on my way to work before my friends are even asleep yet. When I get off work I head on over to Pittsburg to go to school at LMC. Where I sit down and learn about cars, then go out in the shop and work on them. During summer i used to have no job and no school and did nothing with my life all day. Now I stay busy. It's rare for me to be free. And when I am free I'm usually sleeping. But thats life and I can't complain about it . . . I'd much rather be busy then bored. I got 2 half brothers and 1 full brother. I live with both my parents in Antioch. I first started skateboarding when I was like . . 7 years old i think. Never got to good cuz I'd always injure myself. Ended up dislocating my knee during the first 12 hours of spring break my Senior year of high school. I Love the Summer and Hate the Winter! Except Snowboarding. Snowboarding is the only reason I don't hibernate. If snowboarding didn't exist I don't know what I would do during the short days that are freezing cold. I love the Summer becuase it offers much more then Winter does. Like camping, wakeboarding, mountain biking, hiking, boating, swimming, and a bunch of other fun stuff I don't really feel like listing. I used to be a Boy Scout. I gotta say I loved it. I've done so many things I never thought I would do in life. Like I have never thought I would bike around Lake Tahoe or go crawling through some underground caves. Backpacking through the wilderness or White Water Rafting down a class 4 rapid. :) I've had many girl friends when I was younger . . . Now I never have any. I don't see the point in asking a girl to be mine and only mine unless I truely know she will be loyal and love and care for me the same way I would for her. Doesn't sound like that would be hard to find, but in the world we all live in, it really just is. I'm not quite sure if I believe love at first sight. But I do believe that everyone has a perfect soul mate somewhere out in this world. I thought I found my soul mate . . . but I guess not :/ Long and complicated story. So I'm open and still searching. It's a shame when people give up. But sometimes people just need to slow down and relax so that they can be found. Cuz it can be hard to find someone when they are out searching. I believe I view life completely different from most of the people in the world. I just don't understand how people can have no heart and be so cruel to others. But that is how society is turning . . . People just don't give a [bleep] anymore. If everyone just gave like, say 1 [bleep] a day, that would be over a few billion more [bleep]s given. Everyone would be much happier and smile and live better. lol, sorry if you don't understand that . . . It's kind of a inside joke. Anyways . . . all that you just read is just a piece of my many intriguing thoughts that process through my head everyday. There is so much more to me then those few paragraphs. I don't even think any of that even describes me . . . lol. Oh well, now you somewhat know about me. :)
Who I'd like to meet: I'd like to meet a girl who understands life. Knows how to act and respect other people and their possessions. I want to meet someone who is real, someone who doesnt have to put a fake image to a certain crowd to be accepted. They should always act themselves and not have shame in it. I want to meet the most chill, happy, fun person I can. Someone who doesnt complain. Listens to the same music as I. Can just sit and do nothing and still enjoy themselves. Someone who sees the world different from others. Isnt a jerk, doesnt cheat, or lie. Someone who is down for anything. Even if that anything is just laying on some grass watching the clouds go by and trying to find different shapes out of them (thats always fun to do:) I guess I'm just waiting for the perfect girl. If this is you and you dont know me . . . just message me and we shall sit and have a nice chat. If this is you and you already know me then I guess I dont know you well enough, so we should talk more.
THANK YOU FOR READING, WE MISS MATT DEARLY BUT THROUGH HIS PASSING MY SONS HAVE COME TO A NEW CROSS ROAD IN LIFE AND I'M ALMOST SURE MATT IS GUIDING THEM, ITS SAD HOW WE HAVE TO LOOSE A LIFE TO MAKE US VALUE OUR OWN... PLEASE DONT PASS JUDGEMENT AND THINK ABOUT IF IT WAS YOUR OWN CHILD GUNNED DOWN LIKE THAT WOULD YOU BE SPEAKING IN THE SAME TONE WITH THE SAME WORDS....ITS BEEN HARD FOR ALL OF US MATT'S PARENTS, MATT'S FAMILY, MATT'S FRIENDS AND MATT'S COMMUNITY... LETS EDUCATE AND SPEND MORE TIME KNOWING WHAT OUR CHILDREN ARE DOING BECAUSE I TELL YOU THIS, IF MY CHILD HAD A GUN IN MY HOUSE IM GONNA KNOW ABOUT IT...THIS WAS A HOMMICIED/ROBBERY...AND SO WHEN YOUR CHILD COMES HOME WITH A NEW IPOD OR CELL PHONE, MONEY OR ANYTHING AND YOU KNOW YOU DIDNT BUY IT ...ASK QUESTIONS!!! IT MIGHT SAVE THE LIFE OF ANOTHER CHILD OUT THERE....GET THE GUNS OFF THE STREET....FOR US AND HIS FAMIY, MATT WAS A GOOD DECENT BOY WITH A BRIGHT FUTURE AND THE WORST THING ABOUT SAYING GOODBYE IS NEVER GETTING THE CHANCE TO SAY IT...THANK YOU JANET ADAMS, MOTHER OF ANGEL, ALEJANDRO AND JESSE aka DACER...WE LOVE YOU MATT
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Any loss of life is tragic, unfortunately you are trying to justify the actions of Matt (which ultimately led to his death), as "No big deal". The drug world, regardless of what level, is illegal and as such generally involves people looking for a way to make money without hard work. It also involves people who place little value upon human life. If you choose to associate with people of this sort, there are inherent risks, and by selling drugs (yes marijuana is a drug) you expose yourself to those risks. To excuse illegal behavior by saying "everybody does it" is an absurd rationalization. There are a great majority of young teens in the Antioch area who don't use any type of drug, and certainly don't sell drugs. My heart goes out to anybody associated with Matt or his family, but don't trivialize the activity he became involved in that ultimately led to his death.
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At least someone 'gets it'!
Jerry, I am not defending Section 8. I am just stating what should be obvious to every misinformed poster on this forum. So far I have found no mention in any article about any of these recent crimes that the perpetrators (or the victims for that matter) were on Section 8 but somebody on these forums decided to make the connection to corroborate their own twisted viewpoint. Totally illogical. They get the ball rolling and others jump right on it and it is commented on enough to the point that it is accepted as fact. Totally bogus. Of course from there the hatred and stereotypical vitriol starts spewing forth and those popping off lose all sense of comprehension and let their ignorance become self sustaining.
Now for me, a loss of life is always a sad thing no matter the circumstances but when you come to these forums and get a whiff of blatant double standards and hypocrisy, you can't even get to offering condolences because of sifting through the BS.
Let me be clear. There are things I can't stand about the current incarnation of the Section 8 program but as far as I know, it has nothing to do with these recent incidents and no one should make that connection which stigmatizes an entire group of people. The most being law abiding citizens trying to make it through. I am not on Section 8. My home is bought and paid for. I don't know whether my neighbors are on Section 8. I haven't and wouldn't ask. I'm not even sure if I know anyone on Section 8. I don't see how I could view them differently than myself if I did know. The argument here should not be about Section 8. It should be about crime in Antioch and these criminals come in all shapes, sizes and colors.
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Goodmorning Mr.T
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Mornin' Boarderx7...
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Have any plans for the 4th?
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Mr.T i or anyone else can say that all crimes are sec,8 connected and whether it is a white latino or black thing however there has been an uprise in crime over the last ten years as sec,8ers have migrated here there is a corolation within those stats. i dont care if your purple yellow black or white i judge people by there actions thats just the way its got to be done,the behavior of todays youth 100% comes down to what the parents have instilled into them,the finest example that i can give is the old sitcom good times man they were poor but the dad was hard working and the family was tight always making it through the rough times.
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I'm sorry Jerry but any correlation between the rise in crime in Antioch and the influx of Section 8 tenants over the last ten years as far as we know it is anecdotal. It may or may not be valid but you can't keep stating that as a fact. Who's to say that those committing these crimes have not lived here in non-subsidized homes or apartments all of their lives? When the APD and DA's office complete their investigations of these crimes, have they annotated that the perpetrators in fact resided in a Section 8 home?
This is part of the problem that allowed the AUSD to be susceptible to a successful lawsuit fronted by the ACLU. Even though that was probably bogus. The prevalent atmosphere of the community helped skewer the actual facts and retard the focus of the case. Making blanket statements does no one any good and will cost you more in the end.
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Are the police even able to tell who is in Section 8 homes? As far as I know, they are not privelaged to that information. Section 8 is abused, ive seen it abused. Do you really want section 8 renters in your neighborhood? I know some people need the program, but I would guess that the majority of people using section 8 are abusing the program. I work for a living, and it urks me to see a family in a section 8 house that is 10 times nicer than the place I live in. Section 8 should be used to help people, but when it gives people a lifestyle that they could not afford by legitimate means it takes the motivation out of doing it the right way. I cant afford to live in a 4 bedroom house with a pool, so why should people that don't work get that luxury?
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If you're guessing that the majority of people using Section 8 are abusing it, you'd probably be wrong. As far as anyone wanting Section 8 renters in your neighborhood, you shouldn't really care as long as these new neighbors don't turn the neighborhood upside down - but then they don't need to be on Section 8 to do that, now do they?.
The rest of your statement about the Section 8 program I agree with but that's a different argument.
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Isnt that the truth. Ive hade a job since I was 13 and I plan on working until I am forced to retire. I truly think that the whole "I just cant find a job because the economy is bad" excuse is a cop-out for lazy [bleep] people. There is always work. People just dont want to work anymore, everyone wants a handout and it is contageous. There is a thread on here regarding free meals to kids under 18. WoW! We sure are teaching these kids at a young age to rely on the gov/state/others to survive. They all need to stop sucking off the government teet and learn how to become a self sufficient member of society.
Free housing / Free Health Care / Free Food / Does anyone see Free gas in the future ..I really would not be suprised. Just scan your gas stamps. Its insane. Id love to see it 20 years from now. People will be to lazy to get out of bed, fed though a tube, cathader, with a direct deposit check at the first and the 15th to their account like clockwork.....all on the taxpayers dime. Keep up the good work you lazy bastards you have a bright future ahead of you.
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You act like the people in section 8 are trash. Like you can just move them somewhere else, or get rid of them. These are real people, many of whom are only using this program for honest reasons. You can't just "rid section 8 from this area once and for all". People don't just disapear. If section 8 were to be dissolved, a good portion of the people would end up on the streets. The rest would go to other towns and cause the same problems we're have here. Instead of trying to figure out what to do with the section 8 tenants, we should be trying to solve the problems in those neighborhoods.
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The Beverly Hillbillies would have never moved to California if they didnt have the money. If you cant afford to live in California than you should be given a one way train ticket East...Jump off at anytime once you are out of California
Or maybe a rapper should come out with a song about living in Oklahoma
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a good portion would figure out that they would have to go to work also.
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true
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not all section 8 are bad.. let me get this out first.. but many which have moved into antioch have come from the richmond and oakland area.. which most of these are black. the majority of the violent crime being commited are by blacks. go by the apartments in antioch where the trouble is, look around.. mostly black . why is it black and mexican thugs dont get along ?? drugs, gangs, and territory.. there are white scum bags as well as every other color. What are the leaders of the black community doing ? who is responsible for raising kids that at 14 rob stores with a gun ? at 16, 17, and 20 are plotting to rob someone with a gun that turned out to be Murder ?? who is teaching these young black kids that they are due respect. I learned you give respect, you respect your elders, and then you earn respect. many have decided to take the easy way out, sell drugs, commit crimes, to get by.. not wanting to put in the hard work and earn it.. school, work.. look at the rates of dropouts.. led by black youth.
on the kid that was murdered that was selling weed.. yes it is illegal, he wasnt robbing anyone, he wasnt forcing anyone to buy or do it... yet what he was doing was wrong., and it put him in a position that he was ill prepared for. but that im sure wasnt everything he did.. he worked, had many friends, a loving family, was going to school to become a mechanic, had goals.. the ones that set him up to rob, then eventually killed this kid.. they have no goals, just want or will take what they feel they should have. You cant tell me kids at the age of 14-17 with guns commiting crimes have loving families.. and that goes back to the black community. what are you doing to make the area safe ? to have good kids.. ??
e. oakland had 100+ murders every year.. there aint no white people there and they are killing each other over ... drugs, money, gangs, territory..
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My condolences to the family, regardless of what illicit activities a person is involved in, it's never a happy day when their life is cut short. I hope that the family of this victim will be able to pull through this and come closer together in support of one another.
With that out of the way....
I also want to shake my head at all the blanket statements that are being made about section 8 recipients, and applaude those who are able to recognize that the majority of section 8 recipients are not criminals. Yes, there is a percentage of section 8 recipients who do regularly participate in criminal activities, ranging from minor crimes to the more serious ones, there is no question about it. However, there are also a percentage of non-section 8 recipients who fit that bill as well. Not all criminals are on government assistance programs, and I'm disappointed everytime I come over here to the forum and read the assumptions that are automatically made when a thread is started about a crime. Are the ones responsible in this case from families that recieve government assistance? Maybe, but unless someone with real information comes forward to confirm this, stop assuming it.
Yes there has been an increase in crime as the population increases, but the population increase hasn't been just by people moving into this area with their section 8 vouchers, it was also by people who wanted to save some money on their living expenses at the hassle of having to commute. People who wanted to find a place that was more family oriented than a big city, yet not so far away from San Francisco, for example, to have to find a new job.
No I'm not saying that there aren't valid concerns about the increase in crime, anyone that's been posting long enough knows that I'm not a cheerleader for those commiting the crimes, and even less for those who are section 8 recipients who are committing those crimes, as it contributes to people's comfortableness in the blanket statements.
If you know me, you know why I even piped up on this subject, if you don't know me.... Hi, nice to meet you, you'll figure out soon enough why I piped up... I think it's time for me to come back to the forums more frequently.
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