Posted on Tuesday, 10/13/2009 - 9:45 a.m. PDT — by PRame
I am the type that when Im flat out wrong I admit it and no matter who the person is, I will show respect to them if the earn it and Ucry did on one thing so far. Sacbomber put up a post in the preseason that a Redskins beat writer called us the worst team in the league and said we would win only 2 games. Sac was amazed and so was most of us including myself by this guy flat out dismissing us. Ucry however came out and said this Redskins guy was right and we would suck with the team we have now.
We all bashed him as someone who was over the top with his negativity. Now I still think being that critical before the season even starts does more harm than good but Ill give him props. He was right and the Redskins writer was right. I think we will win 2 games this year (we got the Browns at home) and we will be at least 2nd to last in the league behind the Rams. I was flat out wrong before and so was everyone else that put this team up.
That being said, one more time I want to say that this whole team sucks not just Russell. We got 6 starters on offense out but yet they dont play Higgins, Walker and Satele. These are solid players on our bench rotting. I cant stand Cable's playcallin and his puppeteer ways with Davis. I think the defense cant tackle and gets manhandled by good teams. Philly and the Jets are gonna expose us really bad with their blitzing schemes so it will get worse before better anytime soon. Most pathetic team since Shell and they will join his record. I'm out
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Yeah thats true, i remember that...the guy said two games.....Wow!! If he hits it,what an eye he has..
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I really really hate to agree with u-cry....thats twice today...i must be comin down with something.
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Too bad nothing will wake up crazy al davis
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Not even you cry2much....Sorry, try speaking more positive or just lay back for a month ???????
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the good news is we might have the #1 pick again!! whooooo hooooo whooopeeeee
better?
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what up man, yeah things our only going to get worse way worse this yeaaar i dont get the players on the bench either it jsut doesnt make sense adn if i hear cable say one more time that this is a talented team we jsut need to go into the right direction and crap like that we stink plain and simple its hard to watch the games. sorry you had to see that butt kicking first hand you went to the game right must have been ruff, the ycut hte game of here went to another game. I just did a post about if this was the worst raider team ever i would be intrested t osee what you got to say, later raiderob
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Man Ive never been more miserable at a professional sporting event like that in my life. I had no choice but to just sit my butt on that red and blue seat while I watched this heaping pile of cow dung on the field. Why is Eugene still starting over Huff when Huff is playing well, was a top draft pick and Eugene is always late in coverage like on the Manningham TD? Why is Walker inactive? Why is Satele able to start through the preseason but benched now? Why is Heyward-Bey even playing?
In years past when we lost, at least we had our best players on the field. Now we are getting blown out with some of better players sitting? Russell, Bey and McFadden are playing simply due to their draft status so why not Huff? Probably cuz Huff ran his mouth a few weeks ago and said the faces change on the staff but the philosophies stay the same. Al Davis (I know you dont want to hear this but) he is WHY all this is happening. Cable says these things cuz he feels he has to in order to keep his job well hes gonna be fired anyways for losing too much. Makes no sense why these guys just dont coach their way. Im out
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I was amazed about that article at the time. Then again at the time I figured we would see a similar team to the team that ended last year. Our OL is horrible and our WRs are bad without Schilens. I'm with you on not playing JLH or Walker, just doens't make sense. You would think they would try everything they could to make the team better, but they seem to be content with just giving the young guys playing time and then maybe next year they'll be ready.
I was wrong, thought this team was something else, but they clearly aren't jack. I keep hoping that when Schilens comes back this team will be different, but I'm only fooling myself. Its just hard to think that a team with as many top 10 picks who are supposed to be promising young talent could play this bad. Its shameful really.
If we went back I woudl probably say the same things I did before. At that time I didn't think our team was that bad. Still don't know were the worst team in the league, but were damn close. Ha Ha and if we beat the Redskins that guy can still suck it.
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hey chap....i'm back, read my new leadoff post....you know when that article came out even i thought that guy was way off, but not really, i only expected 5 games....
so i was partially wrong as well....but you were way off, lol....i remember when i told you that there is no such thing as momentum to next season, cuz there really isn't...if that was the case, we would be better and buffalo would be too, lol....
i figured this team hadn't improved and i'm not suprised that seymour hasn't done jack since his first game....
i must warn you, if oakland plays well the last few games of the season, i urge you to not think they will be better next season because of that....in da end that stuff doesn't mean much....the last 100 games, we are the worst team in da nfl....
it won't get better til we get players who care, til we have a coach who will coach the way "he " wants, al will have to give up control, he will have to stop drafting athletes and draft football players, the list goes on and on...
lasttly, i know both teams defenses suck, but i'm pretty sure that rob's defense is ranked better than marshalls, lol....and mind you, overall, our defense has moe talented individual players than da browns....even then, we still can't stop da run...it was never da coaches, it's davis system....he wanted cover 0.....he doesn't like blitzing, he doesn't want lb's help, it's frustrating to watch....even with seymour, we are horrible....
i sure hope you will listen to me now, lol...you didn't listen then, but maybe now you will.....as long as davis wants da same defensive system, the guys won't do much out there...
i can bet seymour is hating this right now....he played in a system where he knew he had help behind him, but it's not like that anymore.....i saw dengy say sunday that players who come to oakland come to get paid, not to win.....he's right.....he actually ripped that organization....i had never seen him go off like that before....wow...peace
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I wouldn't really say that I was way off just yet ha ha give it time. I'll still disagree with you that momentum doesn't follow the next season. With a team that can't win games any win or anything you can carry with you will help. And why would Buffalo be better? Am I missing something?
We are the worst team reguardless and I won't make the mistake of thinking they will be good again until I see something out of them... or until I forget I made this statement and think were good next year LOL. I'll tell you this though, I don't really care who was right or who was wrong the team sucks and I don't care who said we would suck first or not. Taking credit for saying a team is going to suck isn't really something to brag about.
Ha Ha right now Cleveland's D is 9 yards better than ours however when you take into account how much longer our D is out there than Cleveland you realize that they are both just as anemic. You realize our offense hasn't even gained 1000 yards on the season yet? Ha ha 17 QBs have eclipsed the 1000 yard mark. Its almost comical how horrible we are.
Like Jerry Mac has been saying, we esentially run the same D as the Giants just not as effective and we run far more man to man. We do have talented guys on D they just don't fit in the system like with the giants.
ha ha you swear like I don't listen to you. I have been a fan of the raiders just as long as you I'm sure, so I as well as you know how the organization works I just hope a little more than you that Davis will allow some help to turn some of this around. ha ha.
Its like anything else. Dungey has a right to rip them cause they suck, if we were winning I'm sure their tone would change. Its a sad time right now for any raider fan and rightfully so.
I'll read your other post right now. Its good to have you back, sounds like your back to yourself.
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buffalo showed a ton of promise last year, much better than we did and with the addition of t.o. people thought they would be better....not the case tho....it's a difference in beliefs, and i'm sticking to it, there is no such thing.....the proof is in da pudding, we didn't improve at all from the games we won last season, lol....i'm still scratching my head on how we beat k.c. this year....it's gonna be a while before we win again.....they don't take the game serious....the team is bad, the organization is bad from top to bottom...
or until I forget I made this statement and think were good next year LOL.
yeah because you will forget, lol....especially if oakland caps off the season with a few victories, lol....we will have a 4-12 record with us winning a few games towards the end of the season and you guys think we will be better next season because of those few games not realizing that all we really did was go from the 3rd draft pick to the 6th, lol.
players come here for a paycheck, not to win.
it's not about taking credit, i don't need credit for something a lot of us already said, i just want you to take account for what you and i discussed months ago....if you are gonna debate with me months on in about a certain subject, then you must also ackowledge what we talked about....that's all, i could care less about credit....i don't have anything good to say about the team, what da hell i want credit for?.....if what i say makes me look like i don't like oakland then i don't care, but i don't have anything good to say about this team anymore.
i don't know how much longer our defense is on da field because all i can tell you is that last week my boy derek only completed 2 passes, lol....which means their defense was on the field a lot....but they have more talent then us and you can't say different so take that into account, not to mention (what you and i discussed, take it into account) you had a lot more faith in marshall than i did, lol....we still can't stop da run....hell they don't defend that pass too much either....they don't even stop da run when the game first starts so who cares about when they get tired, lol.
i would have thought that davis would have gotten help a long time ago, but he doesn't want it....he said he wanted help about a year ago, but he has never gotten it.....he has a bunch of puppets all around him....seriously, whenever a former player says anything about oakland they think is negative, they get mad at that guy, but only if al gets mad at them....herrera is one hell of a puppet....they all are and it's embarrasing.
yeah i am back to myself....lol.....so with thatbeing said, i just wanna say....
you suck, lol.....
you know it really feels good to be back maun....the last 2 weeks have been really crushing for me.....peace (sniff, sniff)
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Maybe if things were backwards.... LOL Buffalo started out last season good and then they dove harder than anything losing 8 of their last 10 games, I wouldn't call that momentum.
Me thinking that the team has improved enough to win 7 games isn't really that great of a thing. People defend Russell and have excuses for him I do the same with the team as a whole. There really isn't a difference.
Ha ha I'm not saying that you're a hater don't worry. I'm just saying that you're taking credit for something that was an end of season prediction and we aren't even half way through. Things still look bleak, but alot can happen in 11 games, I just don't have the upmost faith it will happen. You know that I have no problems admiting I was wrong for most things.
LOL I was pleased as punch after the SD game with our D. I thought we were going to be a good defensive team, but that never happened. That game was just a lap dance with the girl of my dreams LOL. Nothing has really changed on D you're right, at the same time we have all this talent and how many people are saying that they aren't playing 100%? Dont know how much that matters, but its time to trim the fat. Ha Ha if it means anything our Run D is better than the Browns. And yes, they are struggling too, however their offense isn't as bad as ours, they average over 200 yards a game.
Thats a big thing that bothers me. You stand up to Al and no matter if you're right or wrong you aren't going to be given a chance to find out. Its almost as if Davis doesn't want to sit Russell just so he can have the "I told you so" to kiffin if he starts to play well. Herrera is a P.O.S. can't stand the guy. If you love the Raiders so damn much why don't you say something out of love? If my buddy is about to marry someone that is screwing him over I'm going to pipe up and not just sit back.
Hey man, I thought we didn't have to go to name calling? Thats just mean, you come back and you're already trying to hurt my feelings? Ha Ha Again man, its good to have you back.
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MMKAY YEAH I WAs off about buffalo, lol....this was 2 seasons ago.....but regardless i still don't believe in it....it's a fact momentum going into next season hasn't worked for us..
hey listen, actually you saying we will win 7 games is a big thing, i mean just look at how bad we are....we haven't come close to 7 games since iw as 22, lol.....i mean this is a team that struggles to win 5 games....am i da only person who realizes this?....hahahaha....we may not win another game the way it seems, they can't run, pass, or play defense.....i see the players making excuses, but my boy nam is the only one who keeps it real.....i bet seymour is missing new england, even though they lost last week.
i wanted russ, but i am not making excuses for him, believe that....
yeah speaking of the d, they have on our blog (this site) to bitz or not to blitz, we are last in the league at blitzing, which is further proof it isn't the coach, lol....it's davis....he doesn't favor blitzing, if he doesn't favor it, it won't happen......i can tell you this (when marshall was there) seattle was never last in blitzing.....it's davis maun, he is the problem.....we have too much spee on this team, which he favors, to not let the guys loose.....he is the reason for our defensive ineptitude....plus we still run a cover 0.....all davis.
i'll leave it at that.
no you never said i was a hater, but to hell with hope, things won't get turned around because the teams "thinking" is off.....they look like they don't care....i won't wait til the 13th game for them to win, lol....i hear fans are protesting so i am in good company.....i hate losing and oakland seems to be experts at it....
If you love the Raiders so damn much why don't you say something out of love?
wow, that is a good way to put it....that is the best thing you have said in the last 6 months, lol....good job....if that is the case, then that is what i have been doing, but you have insulted me in da past for saying critical things out of love, lol.
yeah maun i'm back, stew sent me flowers last week for my fathers death and the godamn things are already dead, lol...dammit, i didn't realize the flowers were inside the house flowers, lol, i had them outside in 90 degree heat then like 3 days later, they kinda uhh, well, fell off and died....they are inside now and i gotta make them grow again, llol.
my fav cuz, marcus, who comes over on sundays and watches games with me, is an eagles fan.....owh boy....you know we're not gonna win that game right?....our o-line sucks too?....philly is gonna show you why i favor blitzing....while you guys may be cautious about blitzing, i look at it this way, the last 7 years or so, their defense is always top 5....
i am not mad anymore when we lose though....i'm used to it....peace
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Damn man! I had this whole thing ready to send and got busy with something else and accidentally closed the wrong window, now I have to type thies whole thing over! LOL
You're not the only person who realizes the we suck ha ha. We all know we suck but at the begining of the season I didn't think Russell would look worse than he did in his rookie year and I didn't think that we would lose Gallery and Schliens in the first few weeks of the season.
If you think Blitzing is going to help anything with this team you're wrong. We can't even hold our assignments in a basic D what makes you think a complicated D would make us any better. I agree, it would be nice to see us send 5 guys a bit more, but like the article says, Giants don't blitz all that much and they still get pressure. Also if you read it it goes on to say that if you blitz and don't get there you give up the big play. We already give up to many big plays so it would make us even worse. Our problem is that we don't have guy who stay home and stay on their assignments. Too many blown coverages and guys who get out of place too easy.
There is a difference in being critical out of love and just talking shiot. Saying we'll never win with Davis is talking shiot. Being critical about some players and giving others fliers isn't critical its talking shiot. I have been a Raider fan all my life and all my life I have heard people talking about how we cant win with Davis and this and that and while I don't really disagree, I can remember quite a few years in there that it was good to be a raider fan. No Super Bowls but no one does it every year. You are pretty good about being critical pretty even, but even you make excuses for the guys you like.
Yea, Stew is a standup guy. Very nice of him and his wife to do that for you. I surely wouldn't LOL. I keep my money for myself LOL. Kidding.
Hey man, don't get me wrong I love blitzing. I love the Eagles agressive D, but when you run nothing but cover0 you can't blitz all that often. I love watching the Eagles play and wish we had something more agressive, we just don't and we cant start doing it over night, just because of what I said earlier. You may not think so, but I know what I'm talking about in terms of us blitzing and we already give up too many 20+ yard plays and if we blitzed more those would easily grow to 40-50+ yards.
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dude here i am thinking we are gonna et crushed by da eagles and my cuz marcus is over watching da game with me and we wind up winning and he is looking like a [bleep]....actually, we both were, lol....but at da end of the day i was smiling.....after everything i had been going through the last 4 weeks, i needed to smile ya know?
anyhoo, you and i always go back and forth about to blitz, or not to blitz, but you saw da results of blitZIng right?....we have too much speed on defense not to do so.....it works maun, if al davis allowed it all da time, that defense would be top 10 no doubt....this is what marshall did in seattle, i remember this well....afta da game marshall ackmowledged he might yelled at for blitzing (meaning davis doesn't like it) but he needs to do it more often.....davis philosophies has this defense horrible the last 6 seasons...
i remember rob rayn doing this last season then after like 2 games, he stoppd, so now i know hat happeend, al told him to stop, lol....they looked good, a couple field goals by philly we would have been in trouble.....our purple heart goes to fargas, kats can say what they want about him, but when he runs well, we usually win....i say start him and bush goddamit, lol.
also, who is this russell guy in da full back position?...he is new to me.
hey i don't make excuses for the guys i like, i haven't done that in a while...when was the last time i done that, regardless of your answer, you won't be able to say it was this season lol.
Hey man, don't get me wrong I love blitzing. I love the Eagles agressive D, but when you run nothing but cover0 you can't blitz all that often. I love watching the Eagles play and wish we had something more agressive, we just don't and we cant start doing it over night, just because of what I said earlier. You may not think so, but I know what I'm talking about in terms of us blitzing and we already give up too many 20+ yard plays and if we blitzed more those would easily grow to 40-50+ yards.
If you think Blitzing is going to help anything with this team you're wrong.
"really?"....well, well, well, eat your words ol' chap.....they bitzed their [bleep] off yesterday and it worked, it messed mcnabb up all da way....this has been my point, it thorws off da timing, blitzing isn't all about sacks, it's just abot throwing the timing off and altho davis doesn't favor blitzing, da shiot works and i'd rather go down blitzing than to not do it at all because davis' way simply doesn't work.....it just doesn't....we rarely win games when we don't blitz......i'm tired of doing things the al davis way, in this era we will fail.....during the game yesterday after a blitzing sack they would show al in da box and he wasn't even happy, lol....i wonder if he got mad at marshall for blitzing.
if you are gonna put speed on da damn team, then at least use.....
you and i were both wrong, you thought blitzing would not help, i said it would, and it actually worked....
on the flip side i said we would lose and we won, lol....
at the end of the day i'm sure you and i were both happy and damn near in tears watching these guys play with heart....for once, lol....peace
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I thought we were going to be blown out as well. Shoot, even CBS thought so and didn't even show the game even though they were supposed to.
The blitz did work. We came out hot! You have to also remember that was a totally different D. We ran a lot of zone. McNabb even said it wasn't what they expected. I didn't say it couldn't work, but its hard to play against something you have no tape on. Eagles had no tape of us like that ha ha it was awesome though. I'd like to see us play like that again. We were even getting pressure with a 4 man rush. It will be interesting to see if we keep that kind of D up. If Davis yells at him for it he is a moron. This is a win we needed badly. Ha Ha this is a win that might bring fans back to the yard next home game. If we were blown out again we would be in trouble. At least this shows the coaches care more about winning than their own jobs.
I remember Ryan doing it a few times too, but it never worked to the effect we got yesterday. And there were plays where we would send 7 guys!! It was awesome, I was impressed from the highlights I saw. How about Murphy blocking all the way down the field for Miller!!! Kid is going to be good.
You're right about Fargas. The guy has tons of heart and he seems to be a guy that could be the offensive leader even if he isn't the starting back or most productive. The guy runs and he is good at it. He may never be a pro bowler, but he can play.
All of us are more critical this season about everyone LOL. I can't point out someone this season that you have made excuses for, but you used to make excuses for Porter, Fargas and a few others can't remember at the moment. This year you are spreading the wealth ha ha.
"Hey man, don't get me wrong I love blitzing. I love the Eagles agressive D, but when you run nothing but cover0 you can't blitz all that often. I love watching the Eagles play and wish we had something more agressive, we just don't and we cant start doing it over night, just because of what I said earlier. You may not think so, but I know what I'm talking about in terms of us blitzing and we already give up too many 20+ yard plays and if we blitzed more those would easily grow to 40-50+ yards."
'"really?"....well, well, well, eat your words ol' chap.....'
Read what I said in the second paragraph and what I said in the italics. I'm still right. We didn't run a cover0 when we blitzed we ran a zone or a cover2. I also said that I'm with you on the Blitzing. I like blitzing especially since we have the speed to do it. There is also no tape for the Eagles to review so this was totally unexpected. You didn't expect it, none of the fans expected it and the eagles said they didn't expect it. Usually when you catch a team off guard you can hit them where it hurts. Ha Ha I was still scared at the end of the game... thought we might give them a last min TD.
I'll take any win! I have 2 buddies that are Eagles fans and I was hearing from one all week about how the Raiders were going to get spanked and I actually agreed with him Ha ha ha. Haven't heard a peep from him since. He usually comes over to watch Sunday night football. My guess is he wont come over tonight either to watch MNF. LOL Hopefully we can keep it up. If we continue blitzing other teams will have a game plan for it and that will be the true test! But hell, if we can play like that against that high powered offense we should be able to hang with anyone left on the schedule. Ha Ha its doubtful. See what one good win does? Damnit, didn't I just say last week that I wasn't going to get my hopes up... I knew it wouldn't last LOL. Maybe we will get those 5 wins though after all.
PS. Gary Russell was a preseason RB for us who actually played pretty well. I'm guessing because Rankin couldn't do anything on kickoffs and Russell is bigger and can be used as a FB as well that Rankin wasn't that big of a loss for us. What a game he had!
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well i have been telling you for a while that blitzing helps the d-line out, we have too much speed not to do it, i don't care if it doesnt work on every play, our cover 0 scheme hardly ever works, it's about the players....it excites them, didn't you see those guys hugging each other and yelling to the top of their lungs?....lol....they can do it, we actually have the players to do it.....i don't care if al favors it or not, it works....it throws off da timing of a qb, we have good corners so we should not worry about them getting beat especially nam....qb's have to get rid of it quick, we have kirk, howard, nam, chris, huff, branch?.....that's speed......hell dude, you do realize that more than anyone "nam" wants to blitz?
he talks about it all da time to coaches and he mentions it on articles....it's called being aggressive....when we don't play like that teams put up too many points.....that's all i'm saying, but i for the first time in a long time, could actually feel the players adrenaline rush because godammit, i love blitzing, to hell with conservative....why be a deer when you could be a cheetah?....we ain't going to the playoffs maun.....we may as well go down fighting....let's make it miserable for teams, lol.
yeah when ryan did it, i remember we won da game, but didn't get that amount of sacks, but he didn't have seymour tho, lol.....i just hope marshall doesn't back off, because davis may make him....i love murphy but he needs to stop dropping passes, he could have at least 20 plus passes right now....bey is nonexistent....and it's my understanding that crab is coming very soon to play in san fran, the debate starts.....he is only what?...3 catches behind bey?
fargas may start next week maun.....don't be suprised.....he is the spark that on rb can match onour team, and cable spoke very highly of fargas yesterday.....it would make me very happy if he starts again, i kept quiet when mcfad started, but i didn't like it because mcfad is a speed back only with good catching....the toughness just isn't there and we missed that.
your friends suck, lol....you need to call them and f__k with them, i wanna know how they feel about the loss....lol.
my cuz was shocked, then right after i beat his [bleep] in madden, lol.
yeah rakin isn't that good obviously, lol....i know he got released, guys like x said in da past that rankin should replace fargas....
this just once again proves he is wrong....higgins, bey, mcfad and rankin are guys he for whatever reason spoke too highly about, lol....neither have lived up to his billing, lol....peace
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I never said blitzing wasn't a good thing or that it didn't help anyone out I simply said that I didn't think we would be that great at it because we couldn't run a standard D. Nothing fires up a D more than sacks, big hits, TFLs and turnovers. I didn't think our guys could do it and they proved me wrong. You and I had talked about this last year and we both wanted more blitzing because it didn't make sense that we draft all this speed and dont use it. Clearly our guys can do it, lets just see if they can keep it up.
Ha Ha well put man. I could careless if we went to the playoffs cause I never expected them to, but I do want to watch them play good exciting football and if they are lighting up the QBs and laying the smackdown on the other team I'm good with that. The other thing that helped too is the fact that our offense held onto the ball a bit longer than usual!
If Marshall was willing to go against Al this last week I don't see why he would be afraid to this week. At this point none of the coaches have anything to lose because if they don't win football games they wont be here next year anyway. Impliment your own game and get some wins. If we go on a streak and win more than expected, I don't know how Davis could be upset.
Ha ha If Crabtree gets 3 catches this weekend he will surpass DHB who only has 2 catches.... thats just ridiculous. Your right about Murphy, he needs to get rid of the jitters or something cause I didn't think his hands were that bad ha ha maybe it just goes to show how hard Russell throws and that he isn't used to catching those balls.
Fargas should start. He is the only back that we have that will pound out the yardage behind this line. It also helps that he hits guys so hard and everyone respects him, they don't want t let him down by missing a block or killing a drive after he had taken a beating.
Ha ha I spoke to one of the guys yesterday and he really didn't say much. He was shocked and he gave the Raiders props only to come out and say basically what ESPN and everyone have been saying. The Eagles came out flat. No props to the Raiders. Whatever? I just gave him a hard time because we made them look like chumps.
I liked Rankin, but not as a starter. He needs more time. I'm a fan of Higgins too I just don't think they give him enough playing time. Maybe it says something that Watkins is starting over him though. Ha Ha I don't like Watkins at all.
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look i don't wanna get into a big debate about blitzing because we will get nowhere because it's about beliefs....i will just say this, we need to do it more often.....go out fighitng, f__k technique....that doesn't work in oakland...we've lost more games than won by not blitzing and playing cover 0.....may as well change it up and get aggressive....i personally think that is the key to us having a good defense.
i just wanna go out fighting.....i don't care if it doesn't work next game....nothing works all da time, but i think it could work most of the time....you can make the best qb in da nfl look rattled once he gets uncomfortable because his timing is off....i'll leave it at that.
yeah i hope marshall can keep going against davis, but at the same time, i don't know what it's like working for davis, i heard it's hard tho....the day the blitz doesn't work you can forget about us blitzing again....davis will say no.....then we go back to his defense, which doesn't work....however, he will be happy.
you didn't expect much from bey, but seriously, you should be very upset at what he is doing so far, he drops passes even if it's his only pass attempt at him, lol....he is an embarrasment to any hard core raider fan.....i didn't want him, stll don't want him....he is the most nonexistent starting wr i have ever seen so far iny my life.
yeah fargas should start, let him get his spot back which leads me to my next question....what do you think about mcfad so far?...from da time he got drafted, til now....
i told my roommate that we won and he just looked at me....then laughed....we never win so it's funny when you tell people your team won, lol.....i'm liking russ, he played well (full back)....however, i remember telling kats that i don't like da fact that we got rid of neal and people kept saying oneal is alright now and he is blocking well, but that bastard got hurt all over again and was waived i hear....we should have kept lorenzo, i think i would be a lot happier had he not got canned to begin with....but i like russ.....he played well......peace
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I don't even know why you say were fighting about blitzing. We both want to blitz, but I just dont believe that if we blitzed like the Eagles we would be like them. Even Jerry Mac agrees with me. He said that it would be interesting to see if we blitz that much against the Jets because they wont abandon the run like the EAgles did. Jones will eat us alive if we blitz and dont get it right. I never said I didn't like the blitzing, just saying that its not the answer to our problems. Hell if we ran a zone and a 4 man rush it would still work, we were getting pressure on McNabb with just 4 guys rushing.
I hope we come out blitzing Sanchez or at lest getting pressure on him. He is coming off a horrible game and I'msure his confidence is shaken so lets keep him off. I just know that were going to get a heavy dose of Jones.
Ha Ha this just goes to show how little I expected from Bey. I'm honestly not shocked. I thought it was a wasted pick when we got him and still do. I'm more upset that he is still playing than his actual performance. I think X was the only one who expected Bey to average almost 100 yards a game and for him to be a difference maker, when he actually hurts our team being on the field, because he is an extra body that can only really block. I'll give him time. Figured it would take him about 2 years to develop. Ha Ha talk to me then.
I'm a little shocked. I thought McFadden would be playing better. He has been hurt 2 straight years and he hasn't made that big of an impact. I still think that we need to get him outside more. I also think that if we got the passing game going he would be able to break out a bit more. Fargas showed that he has the spark on offense. I could try to make an arguement that he ran well because we were able to move the ball in the air, but I think he was a good reason for that.
Neal hasn't made another team (to my knowledge) so there might be more to it. He is old and he could just be done. O'Neal is nice to have cause he is young and he was pretty dang good when he was healthy,he's another cat we cant keep healthy. He is on our practice squad though so maybe another year of rehab will help him out. Russell was a RB for us and the fact that he didn't care about miving to FB just to get playing time is awesome. Its something Bush didn't want to do. Russell can catch and he can take some handoffs maybe catch someone off guard sometime who knows?
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even jerry mac agrees with you?...who is jerry mac?...lol....i don't listen to kats, i have my own observations, i'd rather them blitz then sit back and get they [bleep] while, well, sitting back, lol.....i'm through with talking about that tho....just know this, i'd listen to you before i would listen to jerry mac, whoever the hell that is, lol.
our d-line is better than philly's, our linebackers are awesome and look at our corners?....i'm like my boy nam, they have the talent to do it for real.
yeah we are gonna have to stack da box up on jones, but even when we stack da box, we still get ripped apart, lol...
bey is so nonchalant and he doesn't seem to focus on getting better, in all honestly he kinda reminds me of russ, "i don't give a damn attitude"....it's gonna hurt bey in da end.
i figured you would say that about mcfad because you and i somewhat went at it about him because i wasn't one of his big supporters....he isn't an inside runner i agree with you there which is a shame because he isa big tall dude....he drops passes himself, but he is a good catcher, i think bush prolly has the best hands tho.....fargas caught some passes last week as well....i think fargas is da most ferocious blocker, he gives us a lift unlike anyone...
as much as i like fargas, i think they need to start mcfad once he gets back, he makes so much money, you gotta start him....but no he isn't the player that you guys thought so far.....he has a ways to go.....i wish he could run guys over, but only mikey and fargas can do that tho....
umm, what do you think about huff and higgins so far?...lol.
peace and hey tom joyner is coming to houston today.....he is doing a home depot tour....ladies night out, a lot of women are going to be buying s___t from HD.....free food, drinks and prizes and stuff, maun it's gonna be packed, i'm talking like more than 500 chicks out there, lol....he will be there from 6 til 9pm.....i'm gonna be busy all day....he is also broadcasting from houston tuesday.....wow.
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Jerry McDonald is the beat writer on this site. Ha Ha I'm sure you have read some of his articles. I can't believe you say you don't listen to kats. If I remember correctly you would always talk about Tom Joyner. Ha ha you would always talk about how he agrees with you and this and that.
Nam can be your boy all you want him to be, but he didn't even really play all that much so he wasn't a factor in the outcome with the blitzing. Our D would have been better with him out there no doubt, but I don't know why you would even bring him up. LOL.
Bey is a #3 and he may produce better as a 3 rather than a 2. We all remember guys that were good #2s or #3s and they couldn't do jack when moved up. Bey may workout, but when he tries to be like Russell and sound confident he sounds more like he isn't worried about his poor play and that he is playing just as good as everyone else.
McFaddens hands have be shaky at best, but I think part of it is Russell was struggling to get the ball to him. I don't know if its because Russell knows his speed and just expects him to be going faster than he is or what, but McFadden has had a lot of throws at his feet and over his head. Fargas just boosts everything when he is in. He is a beast with the ball and with out it. He wants to throw his body in front of someone.
Dont put the "you guys" on me. I didn't want McFadden. Ha ha I thought for sure he would be better than this, but I was a firm believer that Bush and Fargas would have been a capable 1 2 punch and that McFadden was another wasted pick. You tend to lump me in with other people sometimes LOL.
Huff hasn't done anything since week 2 and I believe part of that was due to injuries, but I haven't heard his name all that often which in some cases is a good thing. Higgins is another guy that I believe has been banged up. I read that he still hasn't fully recovered from Russell getting him flattened across the middle. His return skills are missed right now and I don't know if thats because he just isn't the same or our special teams isn't all that good.
Ha ha sounds like its going to be fun. LOTS of eye candy for you to look at. Enjoy my friend. Hope everything goes well and hopefully we get to see another Raider victory.
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dawg, tom doesn't count, i'm his producer, his writer....i guess you still don't understand that....you stick by the ones you love, i love tom joyner, i don't care about da others.....and hey, i love you too maun.....other than that, i don't listen to most, i come up with my own evaluations, you of all people should know that since you literally talk to me more than anyone on here.....i don't make it a point to get da names of kats who are writing the articles, i don't have any probs with them...i don't care if it's negative nor positive about oakland....they get paid to do what they do, so let them have their fun....
i'm not proud of this team/organization so i could care less about what anyone says...teams don't allow nam to get involved in da passing game....it's been 3 seasons now, lol....he is good against da run tho....hell sometimes he is more productive than our d-line.
you know what maun?...i almost don't want to talk about oakland right now...i have nothing good to say about them.
i appreciate your love for fargas, you used to would not speak about him like that....he has won ya over eh?.....speaking of him, i thought he would start, but they started bush, mistake all da way....bush isn't cut out for starting, i love bush, but he isn't a starter.....fargas out done him, he would have had a hundred yards had he started and the game was close, lol....on offense he is da only one who makes me jump in da air.
owh, i thought you wanted mcfad...my bad....i could have sworn you andi went back and forth about him, especialy "homerun hitting speed"....hell mcfad hasn't done much of that either, lol....well you were more supportive of that guy than i was, that is for sure.
i don't think russ got hig flattened, that is on the coaching staff for having him run tha route, higgins just doesn't have the heart to do it....i know kats hate porter, but he was good at going over the middle....he'd take a hit and keep going, but he would catch da damn balll..
his last season here he caught 47 balls and 6 td's....maybe 7 td's, not one damn "wr" has matched that since he left, lol.....ridiculous.
dude about 1000 people turned out if not more, the event started at 6pm, when us (station) got there at 4:30, there was about 400 people waiting in line....by 7 o clock home depot had to get 2 more parking lots to fill da cars up, lol....it was great and i had fun....tv cameras, women, coworkers, da whole 9 yards....matter of fact, tom is broadcasting here tomorrow from our studio....so i may not be able to chat much with you because he will be here....if i can tho, you know i will....peace
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Ha Ha calm down man. Ha ha I'm mearly saying that I was telling you that you can't always blitz and have the outcome we did against the Eagles and Jerry McDonald agreed with me. Since he is around the Raiders a lot I figured it was a valid agreement. My point was proven yesterday anyhow. Ha ha we blitzed and had very little success. Maybe now you see what I was talking about. We blitzed and got torched for some big plays. You blitz and you leave someone open and Sanchez found them all game long.
I'm with you too man. I hardly want to talk Raiders just because it was ugly yesterday. Ha ha This is the thing that gets so frustrating! We look good one week and then the next we drop 0. Our offense looked bad against the Eagles, but yesterday was just down right ugly on both sides of the ball. Our Special teams is horrid.
You and I have gone back and forth on Fargas for the past few years. My main problems with him is his inconsistancies and his injuries. I never doubted the kids heart cause there is no way anyone can, however I still don't think he is the back you were hyping him up to be. Ha ha and maybe thats why I didn't like him. People that liked him made it seem like he was going to be a 1500 yard rusher every year and this and that, when I don't think he can stay healthy long enough to get 1200 even. I think starting Bush was the right thing to do. I think Fargas is a good change of pace back. Bush is going to hit you hard as is Fargas, I just think Fargas has that acceleration boost that pushes him through the line faster which enabled him to get that 35 yard run.
After we drafted him I was excited about his ability, but I didn't think we needed to go RB. I was actaully hoping for Dorsey/Ellis or Clady. I was one of the few that thought we could go RB in the later rounds and one of the guys I was touting was sure enough... Chris Johnson. Ha ha mainly because he has Al Davis speed and I figured that would be the safer route and I was right. Could you imagine if we had Clady and Johnson right now? I haven't agreed with a single first round pick since Gallery and that didn't work out for us at LT. I still feel like McFadden has the homerun speed, but with all these early leg injuries he could lose that real quick. If we had a better line and a better passing game all our RBs would be able to open things up. We should be running like the Jets did on us.
We don't have WRs period. No one is going to go across the middle right now and we don't really catch many balls. I did notice that Gradkowski did target our WRs more often, but like Russell he wasn't getting any help with guys catching the ball. Still think Gradkowski is a better fit right now. He is more accurate and he looks a bit more nimble in the pocket. Russell is just to big and to slow and he has no pocket pressence.
Ha Ha thats awesome man. That just sounds like a good time and I'm sure the weather was perfect for it. Have fun with Tom tomorrow! I know you will ha ha.
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dude we rarely blitzed sunday, rame and i were talking about it....al doesn't want it maun...sometimes it seems like he would rather lose with his style of play than win with another style.
it's hard for me to even say we look "good one week and bad the next" because we usually look bad week to week....we just snuck in a win and philly was poorly coached, we can't stop da run, but reid kept passing it....that is his fault.....when we don't blitz we are one of the easiest teams to beat....our front four can not consistently get pressure, they give the qb's at least 5 seconds to pass da ball sometimes.
when was the last time we got 6 sacks with al's style of play?.....lol.
i never hyped up fargas like you are saying it....i have always told you he runs powerful and wreckless, i have always told you he should start, i have never said anything about fargas that was out of bounds with style....i don't overhype kats, i'm not x.....no guy he has overhyped has had any success on our team, lol....fargas has been a bright spot us a lot of times, 2 time commitment to excellence award winner, i have never overhyped him, i may have spoken about him a lot, so in your mind that may mean overhypin, but hell, who else am i gonna talk about on this thing?....this is a sorry [bleep] team.....but never have i said about about fargas that he could not do....stud, beast or word of that kind has never came out of my mouth....actually, i don't use those words at all.....i don't even like when you guys say it so i know i don't use them, lol....i have heard you use that word in a while yourself, lol.
altho you didn't include me in that (thanks) i would never say anythig about fargas hitting a 1,500 or even a 1,200 plateau.
dude bush has literally done nothing since starting, it's da reality of the situation....look at his numbers, fargas has done better statistically.....you may call that overhypin fargas but it's not, it's the obvious fact....so i say start fargas, but he may not start so f__K it.
i didn't know much about clady, but i know one thing, he is an excellent player for real.....i don't know if he would have been good here tho, why lie?....players fail here because the coaching staff doesn't make these guys focus like other teams make their players focus.....so i really don't know if he would have worked out.
grad, russ, who cares?....neither scored a td, lol....
what do you think about branch kirk so far?....peace maun and thanks for being my friend.
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Ha ha c'mon man, you were jocking Fargas. I'm pretty sure everyone on here would agree. He hadn't done much of anything and you were already talking about how he should be the starting back and that he could be a 1000 yard rusher year in and out. Fargas hadn't done anything as a starting rusher and you were talking about him like he was our best back in years Ha ha ha. You just like him too much, a bit of a man crush maybe LOL!!!
I don't care what we do in the run game we just need to get it going. I don't care who starts I don't care who gets majority of the carries, all I care about is moving the ball. Our OL needs to play better and we probably could do with some better play calling when it comes to the run. I noticed we did a few pitches to Fargas and yet DMC is the guy who should have been getting those and I can only recall a handful to him.
I'm with you, I'm just starting to think that our coaching staff isn't getting the young talent to perform. The player has something to do with it as well, but we have some talented guys that do absolutely nothing. DMC would probably be better if he was on a different team, Gallery could have panned out as a LT on a different team Huff maybe even DHB could have been a different player. Just makes you wonder how Mario Henderson could become the guy he is with the coaching he has, and Gallery couldn't, maybe it was Cable.
I like Branch, he seems to have hustle and the guy makes tackles. He seems like he could be a good player in the coming years as long as he has good coaching. I have always thought Kirk was a tackle machine. Kinda sucks though cause most of his tackles are probably beyond 5 yards.
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I read your post. your a smart man.
If the OL was better the team as a whole would look better. The only reason the defense looks bad, is because they are getting worn down. The defense is there, if our offense can give them a break and some motivation then we can go back to a very solid balanced team.
Branch is a solid player. henderson has been solid.
I hope for the offensive line, langston walker can come in at right tackle and provide us with a presents we been needing since game 1. Barnes can be a Right Guard, he is not quick enough for the edges but at right guard I think he could be a lil more successful than cooper due to age and speed. what do you think?
Anyhow this offense needs to get some rythym and some players healthy if we are going to go through the second half of this season with any success. Too many key injuries hurt us early.
take care
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Hey man! Its been a while since we have talked, but thanks for the kind words.
We have a lot of problems aside from the OL. If the OL plays better you could say the offense as a whole gets better, but who is to say that if Russell has more time its going to improve his decision making or accuracy? Who's to say that if the OL gives Russell more time to throw and that his decision making is improved and he is on target that the WRs will catch it? Same goes for our Run game. We're just all around off balance.
We can't stop the run period. We seem to start off pretty well against the run and all of us Raider fans know that if we forced a team to throw the ball we would be in far better shape. The main times we struggle with the run is when we are already down and teams just try to run out the clock... guys are trying to make big plays which is putting them out of position and ends up giving up the first down and then they get to slam it down their throats again.
Our OL needs help, but I'm not sure that Cooper is a bigger problem than Green. Green sucks! I'm tired of false starts every freaking game. Yes, I know it happens, but it should happen 3, 4, 5 times a game. I can't recall a single game where he only got called for 1! ha ha and maybe I'm embelishing a little cause I don't like him, but you get the picture. We miss Gallery bad right now and we need him back.
We definately need DMC back healthy and we need Schilens back healthy along with Gallery. If Russell could get on page with his WRs with ANY consistancy our team would be better. As soon as were a threat to move the ball and get first downs we will be a threat. When you struggle to get first downs and points or even 200 total yards of offense you're not going to scare anyone. People can blame it on Davis, Coaching, scheme the fact of the matter is it falls on Russell. He needs the help of his WRs and OL and if he can get the ball on target not only does it open up a passing game, but it forces teams to pull guys out of the box beause we have too much speed on the field. You have a set with DHB, Murphy, Schilens and DMC coming out from the backfield and Bush set as the lone, you are going to force guys to respect you on the outside and Bush/Fargas could pund it. there are a lot of options if guys can actually play.
You're taking a lot of heat for DHB man. Ha ha I wont give you to much crap man. I didn't really expect much out of him this year reception wise only cause I knew he would struggle to keep his speed and catch the ball. I think he will benefit more when/if Schilens comes back. Don't know that its going to help him catch, but it should give him a few more looks. I'm going to give him a few years... you're not really supposed to do that for a top 10 pick, but I didn't expect much out of him and I think it would be wrong for me to bash him because of his draft position which is essentially out of his control.
Have a good weekend man! Hopefully the Raiders can come out with a win in SD!
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Im at the house enjoying the Celtic's game.
Well I can say this, I see your point but your point goes right in where mine is at. Without a offensive line, and atleast 1 healthy vet wide receiver you take away the passing game. Miller has been jammed, and doubled. DHB as a 7th round pick has been doubled at times. Everyone by now has seen it. You cant say bey gets in here and doesnt work, yet maybe its wr coaching that hasnt targeted his hands on a consistancy where they have improved.
I also dont understand why come javon walker isnt working the slot over todd watkins. That would help our offense til chaz get's back as well.
The Offensive line roster wise we have the personel Like I posted in another post. The personel could be better, and it could be better organized.
The line should be: LT Henderson, LG Gallery, C satele, RG Barnes*since he cant play RT, that was a disaster, he wasnt ready*, and Langston Walker at RT. Green is done. Since he has been gone raiders penalties have been down.
Chaz was a key loss in our passing game and for this team. We havent had him for the first half of the season, and you already see how much our offense suffers without him.
With the line in order and this team healthy we would have a very successful record. Hopefully this bye week, after the game sunday gives us some time to get things together. we need to get the defense rested for the second half of the season.
As for DHB... whats funny is that the people who are throwing heat are the ones that failed to realize, The Raiders are almost dead last in player development. It took, Fargas 8 years to even prove he could play, Gallery damn near 8 before he was even looked at as decent. Huff is just getting started this year. dont forget higgins a player who came in here and had no hands just speed, led the raiders in receiving and yards last year. DHB will get better... with a solid line & people healthy you would see it sooner than later. your right
The offense has still played away from its strengths and thats giving the carries to 1 running back atleast 18 times, let them finish, then turn the passing loose. Our line even when healthy is not a passing offense. Our foundation is the run, it doesnt matter if its fargas or mcfadden or bush give them touches if it leads to success.
Your right. You can talk to me anytime. stay a leader.
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Maybe it is our WR coach? I don't know? I do know that I'm not going to pin things on the OL as much as Russell. He creates phantom pressure and takes sacks most QBs would not. Our OL gives him time to throw, but either our WRs cant get open or he isn't making good reads. I'm guessing he isn't making good reads. We have all seen games where they show a replay and he has someone wide open by NFL standards, and while its something other NFL QBs miss as well, he under/over throws them most of the time. Russell's struggles are whats holding this team back.
I'm with you on Walker... puzzled as to why he isn't playing more
I know were missing a big part of our offense with Chaz being out, but he isn't the only player on this team that can play. If we have to depend on a WR to make our offense run, were going to be in trouble. I think the young guys need exp, but starting two rookies for an already questionable QB is a bit much.
Thats a very good point. Player development is something the Raiders are horrible at. Nnamdi even took a few years to get on track. I don't know if its motivation or what, but who was the last player we drafted that really made that much of an impact? Woodson in 98? I mean really! Ha ha we have had far more success drafting outside the first round and maybe it has to do with the fact that these guys are competing for a spot on the team.
I don't know that we need to have only one back with 18-20 carries. We do need to run the ball and we need to get something going early, but play to our strength! we have 3 backs that can hurt you and they all have a different style so run at them and keep them on their heels. If one back is doing better you run more often with him.
stay up homeboy!
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You hit the nail on the head. Davis had said that Kiffin refused to play the young talent and that was one of the main reasons he was pissed at Kiffin. Kiffin knew that the only way they could compete is to keep the veteran players out there however when Cable took over and started mixing it up with Schillens playing more and Higgins, I think it caught teams off guard. However now I think Davis has convinced Cable that the more the young guys play the more experience they will gain so they will be great in the future which is why Bey and others are out there. By the way, by the time play the Redskins, Gruden will be their coach. He's used to beating us LOL.
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Davis has a point to an extent. We need to get young guys playing time because our whole team is full of them, however he has to mix and match. Schilens and JLH both were playing for something. Neither is a first rounder so they both have to show how valuable they are to stay on the team. If we had Schilens/JLH and Murphy on the field it would leave room for DHB in 3 WR situations and he could come in and get some experience. Fact is, what were doing isn't working and it needs to get fixed and I don't think any of us care how it gets fixed as long as were winning. LOL you're probably right about Gruden. I don't know that he would be all that interested in going to DC to coach, but who knows?
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Even if Russell had the fundamentals and the pocket presence, he would still be expected to thrive behind 2/5 of an OLine (assuming Henderson & Gallery are both healthy and starting), a 2nd year RB, a FB signed off the street last year, and 2 rookie WRs. You're still setting him up to fail. I'm not sure exactly at what point Watkins became a better WR than JLH or Javon, I guess I must have missed that. The fact he even made this team is a joke.
Now that Oren O'Neal is done and we have no legitimate FB, we can now go to a no-huddle spread offense with 4 WRs. Let's just keep dropping back and fix this passing offense, because running the ball is obviously no problem for us! So let me get this straight, we cut Lorenzo Neal because he and O'Neal were the same type of player? They should be, they're both FBs for f$ck's sake! I'm not sure how Cable could have ever formed a negative opinion of O'Neal's blocking this season, because we haven't made any real effort to run the call since Week 1. And it actually worked, if I remember correctly. But hey, Langston Walker is back, so our OLine should be fine now. And we've got Luke Lawton as our stud FB.....oh wait he's hurt too.
Can we at least activate Javon Walker for one game and get him involved, so at least we can determine if he can still play WR or not? I would at least think Al would want him on the field, since he signed him to that rediculous contract last year. Hell, target the guy 10 or 12 times, force it to him if you have to. Not only does starting 2 rookie WRs hinder Russell's chance to succeed, but it also basically takes Zach Miller out of the game. He's the only player on offense that the D has to account for. They should at least put him in motion, split him out wide, or move him around. Right now, all the D has to do is just box him in. I can only hope that Russell will have a little more confidence when Chaz is back out on the field. Although, with the stellar WR play we've had so far, Chaz might not be good enough to "be a part of the rotation" when he returns.
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hey bro what's goin' on?....anyhoo, well what do you think about the last game?....altho we lost, we fought back for once....
let me ask you.....so far what do you think of ellis?....shaugnessy, he had a breakout game, do you think it will continue?....also do you think seemore will stay with us or do you think he will want out?....in other words, do you think he will take the money al will dish out, or do you think he will figure wining is more important and leave and go to a winning team?....i chose the latter.
peace
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Hey man! I actually enjoyed somewhat watching the game Sunday. I don't expect a lot out of this team now so anytime they keep a game close I'm pretty excited about it. I just hope we can do it the rest of the season.
I think Ellis started out pretty damn good. He has been banged up recently and is expected to have sugery so I think he is pretty much done for the season. Lucky for us Shaugnessy looks pretty good, then again pretty much anyone you put on the other side of Seymour looks good. I think were pretty lucky to have Scott and Richardson too that way we have guys that are pretty fresh on the field. I had heard good things about Shaugnessy in the off season and didn't quite know what to think about it. He looks pretty good, but I'm not ready to say if it will continue or not. What do you think about him?
There are a few things in my mind that have to happen and Seymour would stay. I think he would have to see in the locker room a group of guys he feels are close to putting it together. I think he would also want to know that the team is dedicated to turning this around and we don't have a fire sale with players/coaches. Seymour has a few rings and now (from what he says) he wants to help a team out. I don't know if its the same, but I know that when I used to play NCAA football (on xbox) I would coach a crappy team to a national championship and then move to another crappy team and do the same. Who knows? He might find gratification in being here to help this team out. I just hope its not too long Ha ha.
My other brother is a Lions fan (because of Barry Sanders) and we were talking about how long its been since either of our teams were actually good. Ha ha were just a family of losing football teams!
I have to ask you what you think about Tyvon Branch? All I can say is WOW LOL! and how about Huff. He hasn't gotten any picks since week2 but he is leading the team in Ints and Passes Defended
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Hey man! I actually enjoyed somewhat watching the game Sunday. I don't expect a lot out of this team now so anytime they keep a game close I'm pretty excited about it. I just hope we can do it the rest of the season.
I think Ellis started out pretty damn good. He has been banged up recently and is expected to have sugery so I think he is pretty much done for the season. Lucky for us Shaugnessy looks pretty good, then again pretty much anyone you put on the other side of Seymour looks good. I think were pretty lucky to have Scott and Richardson too that way we have guys that are pretty fresh on the field. I had heard good things about Shaugnessy in the off season and didn't quite know what to think about it. He looks pretty good, but I'm not ready to say if it will continue or not. What do you think about him?
There are a few things in my mind that have to happen and Seymour would stay. I think he would have to see in the locker room a group of guys he feels are close to putting it together. I think he would also want to know that the team is dedicated to turning this around and we don't have a fire sale with players/coaches. Seymour has a few rings and now (from what he says) he wants to help a team out. I don't know if its the same, but I know that when I used to play NCAA football (on xbox) I would coach a crappy team to a national championship and then move to another crappy team and do the same. Who knows? He might find gratification in being here to help this team out. I just hope its not too long Ha ha.
My other brother is a Lions fan (because of Barry Sanders) and we were talking about how long its been since either of our teams were actually good. Ha ha were just a family of losing football teams!
I have to ask you what you think about Tyvon Branch? All I can say is WOW LOL! and how about Huff. He hasn't gotten any picks since week2 but he is leading the team in Ints and Passes Defended
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THE FUTURE
yeah oakland seems to be ok with the division foes, but the other teams we get our [bleep] kicked.....i always get upset when al fires coaches, i still will, but cable needs to be fired....not because of the wifebeater stuff, but because he can't get this team to "stay" motivated....he wasn't fit for the job to begin with and he lied to himself and the nation when he said "look, the raiders are back".....i knew right there after he said that sitting next to al davis that he would not last, lol....he didn't even have a good record in college let alone he would be great in da nfl.....but that is how "i" feel....not you, just me.
you know matt and trevor, i don't know how to feel simply because neither are consistent, especially scott....he had a 2 sack game, but before that game and since he has been a nonfactor....that isn't a key for success and you can become a backup quickly like that....especially in oakland.
branch?...i don't think much of him, you know what?...we should have kept wilson, i liked that guy....at the end of the day you get the same results, a saety with a ton of tackles, very few picks, that is it.....al will like branch just because he is fast tho.
chris johnson is just getting picked on, lol.
what do you think of henderson?....also where is russell, and why is lawton playing?....umm, what do you think about gerrard warren?....there was a play where sproles broke a big run to the right and gerrard could have helped angle him off and he just slowed down and watched him, lol.....gave up on da play basically.....(sigh)....peace maun
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If I'm going to have any hope for next season I think we have to keep our current coaching staff mostly in place. You say Cable isn't qualified, but can you nave me one coach we have had that was? You could say Madden wasn't qualified. You could say Gruden wasn't qualified. Its kinda funny that everyone thinks Cable is a Davis lacky and Davis is only going to hire lackys whats the point in hiring another one? We just need stability so I would be interested in seeing how things would work out if we kept him around
To be fair to Scott, only Ellis and Seymour have more sacks than him. You have to remember that Scott and Matt dont see tons of playing time like Ellis and Seymour. Scott has still made some hustle plays reguardless of if they were sacks or not.
Ha Ha really? You think we should have kept wilson? Every game I see him in he messes up. I'm actually glad that he is gone. I think he was overrated and was over paid. I think for it being Branchs first season he is doing well in our D. He sure can make the open field tackles.
Johnson and Routt are both getting picked on. Ha ha can't say I'm shocked though. Knew it would happen before the season started.
Henderson is doing fine. I'm thinking that Lawton is playing because they feel like he is the better blocker. I don't know. I would rather have Russell out there just because he seems to open the offense a little. He gives us another weapon in the back field.
Were a mess but I hope we can get somethings figured out before seasons end. Maybe Chaz can give us a spark but its doubtful. We just look dead.
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i didn't know much about gruden at the time we got him but one thing i did know was this....he worked under holmgren.....i will leave it at that.....now keep ion mind, this is my issue, not yours, but holmgren is more than proven..
gru was himself, he wasn't afraid of davis, cable is a hell of a puppet and i don't think many (except for x) who would disagree.
i don't know if he will be here or not next year, but cable is not consistent at motivating da players...it's painfully obvious...i don't like him....but that's me, not you.
yeah scott has 2 sacks, you are right, seymour and ellis have more, but tha ain't saying nothing to me because if you eliminate those 2 guys, if all our players have less than just 2 sacks, then that isn't saying much about scott.....i remember when i was telling people that porter had 6 td's his final year here and people were telling me "that's not saying much".
2 sacks this far in da season isn't anything to be impressed about.
but once again, that's how i feel, not anyone else....it'll be a shame if he doesn't meet his 5 sack total by seasons end.
yeah players mess up (gibril) but i still think he was effective.....didn't he have 4 picks last season for us?.....if branch doesn't match that then he didn't do well, and i don't worry about our safeties stopping da run, you taught me that they don't get used right to begin with....our safeties always have a lot of tackles but yet we are always last in run defense....our teams individual stats are always lower than other teams, lol.
overpaid?...yeah, but that isn't saying much, al overpays all of them to being with...
i thank you for not insulting me and respecting my opinions, i respect yours as well.....i shalt not dispute your opinions, i will tell you mine, you tell me yours..
lastly, once we get all of our players back who are hurt, do you think we will get better, or stay the same?....i choose the latter.
god bless.
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Ha Ha I know its your issue I'm just pointing it out. By what you are saying Mariucci would be ok to bring in too cause he coached under Holmgren... ha ha Jim Mora Jr. too.
I think the sack stats are funny. People always complain about how little we blitz and how we don't get many sacks this and that and yet you are going to try to take away the fact that this guy has 2 in minimal playing time? Ha Ha Lets also not forget we don't know how many pass plays he has been out there vs run plays. Its nice to have sacks, but not everyone is going to be Jared Allen after 2 seasons.
Ha ha ha are you really going to try to compare TDs and Sacks? LOL! Get out of here man. Thats good though. Last I checked sacks were just a loss of yards and TDs put points on the board.
Give the guy time. I just like how expectations are so high for individual players and yet we can't even win football games. If you aren't impressed with 2 sacks thus far, why would you be impressed with 5? Ha ha he would need to finish the season with 16 sacks and then you would think he was a good player.
If I gought you anything about the use of our safeties you should also have learned that they don't get a ton of picks because even they end up playing man. Both Branch and Huff are extra CBs on the field and if they can they will help over the top. Branch is the guy who plays in the box and Huff is the guy who is going to get the picks if its going to be either of them. Give Branch some credit. Ha Ha we actually have the possibility of a good young S! Ha ha stop being so negative because the overall team isn't good.
I respect your opinion man. Even though I think you're wrong most of the time. LOL I'm kidding. Its always nice to hear other peoples opinion. I think there are some players on this team that are headed in the right direction. Of course they need some work, but we have some young guys that I like. Henderson, Murphy, Miller, Scott, Branch, Bryant.... a few others. If they can get better we could have a decent team. Ha ha and none of them are former first rounders.
I think we'll be better when guys return from injury. Doesn't mean we will win more games, but we will have better guys on the field which should only help. I think Chaz in general will help the passing game. We should find out next week. It will be a shame to come back from a bye and have your best WR back and still come out flat.
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yeah oakland seems to be ok with the division foes, but the other teams we get our [bleep] kicked
what fantasy world are you living in dude??????????? we've lost 13 STRAIGHT DIVISION GAMES to san diego, for starters. somehow we beat KC with zero offense. denver kicked our [bleep], as usual.
From NOV 2007 = Oakland owns a 2-24 (.077) division record since the start of the 2003 campaign, including a string of 17 consecutive losses against AFC West foes, the longest active losing streak against division opponents in the league.
The Chiefs have won nine straight vs. Oakland, but eight of those nine games have been decided by six points or less, with KC winning by an average margin of just 5.1 ppg. During Kansas City’s eight-game victory stretch against the Raiders, the Chiefs have permitted just 18.0 ppg.
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Last 4 games (winners in bold):
Raiders vs Chiefs: Raiders 3-1 (Chiefs ave 11.3 ppg)
Raiders vs Broncos: Tied 2-2
Ucry vs Future: Future 10,001-Zero (but thats just this month)
Ucry vs Llama of the day: Ucry=Llama of the Day
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oh yeah we always beat these guys. dufus!
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I am postive we will win more than two games. First we still have KC at home as well as Cleveland and Washington. All equally terrrible teams. Secondly we will win a game where the opponent sleeps on us. And before you all start screaming like a bunch of banshee's let me point out that it happens every week in the nfl and has happened at least once to the raiders each of the last few years. 08' it twas the donkeys at home, not to mention the bucs, 07' it was the donkey in the town 06' it was the steelers in the town in 05' it was the Cowgirls in the town and the Titans at home.
So there I am telling you right now that we will win more than two games thus proving UCRY2MUCH wrong. I will sleep better tonight.
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Tony when did you become clairvoyant? You said we'd beat Houston. Now you're saying we are better than KC? Hell, they have been in every game and will beat the Raiders in Oakland. And, I believe, based on what I have seen so far, the Raiders will finish the season 2-14. Our only other win comes against Cleveland...and I am not positive about that either.
The Raiders should be 0-5.
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That my attempt at humor is not appreciated here. If we all cant jump on UCRY2MUCH together than what do we have? I did not predict a win in Houston, I really wanted one though. It does hurt me to hear another loyal Raider Fan say we will lose to KC at home. Is nothing sacred?
Here just so everyone will have someone to yell and scream at on monday.
Raiders 6
Philly 3
or was that the Dodgers?
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Tony, once Jamarcus feels the heat and he will Sunday, he will be fumbling all over the place. I hope the Eagles attempt a onside kick, so Janikowski can kick a sixty yard field goal, because that is all we are gonna get!
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With the game tied and two one with two out JaManny is going to park one into the southend zone bleachers. LA... whoops I mean Oak by 3! yeeeeeeaaaaahhhh
ALL CHRIST I think I may have entered into a break down
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Lol...reminds me of Dean
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@ the moment Were better than K.C.......... Just for the simple fact that we beat them !!!!! Also, @ the moment we are better than the Titans for the fact that we have one win and they have Nothen!!!!!!!!!
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it took the boys OT to do it, so Tony, maybe you oughta stop drinking the damn kool aid bro! us beat washington?
look dude we just had 67 yards in penalties compared to 64 yards passing. that is as bad as any team in the history of the NFL.
double digit losses six straight seasons = an NFL record. it gets worse if you look at first downs, avg yards per game, avg passing yards, etc. historical lows. historical league lows!
technically you're right, man for man they aren't really this bad. they just play this bad. the first game, they were awesome except for Russell. they would have won big if not for Russell. and yes sadly, its russell dragging them all down. he's no leader. they have no faith in him. nor do we have a good coach.
to win in the nfl you MUST have a good/great QB and good/great coach. we have neither. sleep well
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All those penalties our because it`s just like pre-season all over again. With samson Setele at center we will continue to go down hill much more. i`m not saying this guy sucks. I`m just saying he has not learned this offense yet and he seems to be over matched. we need all of our starters back to at least compete. And you do not need a good qb to win in the N.F.L. Was Dilfer good ? Nooooooooooooooooo. Is Kyle Orten good ? Noooooooooooooooo. Is what it takes is the fact that which team is more physical throughout 4-5 Quarters, Period.
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sounds like you missed the game. and, i don't think he's thrown an INT yet this year except one hail mary at end of a half.
Trent Dilfer? yes, i'd call him "good", but not great. i'd call any NFL QB that threw for over 20,000 yards in a career pretty good. especially when their playoff record is 5-1.
to think i don't charge you for this education. pretty nice of me, eh?
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"we will win a game where the opponent sleeps on us"
Yeah I love being right
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Criminey man...You are suffering post traumatic stress man...You're talking 'crazy'...
I remember that article, it was moronic in its evaluation of players, some of which we no longer had... and it was rediculously forgetful of players we had...After 6 years of losing double digits, it's not really going out on a limb to predict a 7th year....
So...I predict the sun will rise tomorrow, because I'm so attractive and the cows said it was okay...Well then, tomorrow, you'll know I was right too....
And I'll be somewhere in the 3rd to 4th -ish range to admit, on the rare occasion that I am 'partially' wrong...
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still think we'll own Denver this year?
the article was dead nuts on...eventually you may understand this game (with my help, of course)
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He thinks he's a 'teacher' now....This is getting ugly...
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Even though he was right on that ONE THING maybe I should not have gassed him up and of course he shows how classy he is by not even acknowledging the fact that I took the time out of my busy schedule to give him this credit. Does he not realize who I am? Kiss the rings b#tch!! LOL. JK. Anyways, Im sorry Tony but we are historically bad right now and we will not be winning that many games. Dont forget we are the team that lost at home to a 2-14 Chiefs team last year. What makes you think they cant do it again especially since they should have won the last game we played? I cant believe we are the freakin bottom feeder of this division again. [bleep]? We werent supposed to be this bad and talent wise we arent but philosophy wise, we are worse than the Lions when they were led by Matt Millen. I'm out
P-Rame
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But, I do still have some 'concerns': It wasn't 'one' thing...It was more like he was 'partially' right on 'part' of a thing....And even that may be overstating it....And you have now witnessed with your own two eyes the 'consequences' of 'overstating'....
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we'd be SuperBowl champs every year if I was picking players for this team.
we'd have Adrian Peterson, Rivers would be QB, and Chris Johnson the other RB. DHB WOULD NOT BE ON THE TEAM. i'd have Torry Holt at WR.
guys would play 110% or not play.
there would be large STATUES out front of all the Raiders greats. i'd have a luxury box just for former Raiders greats - - show up, get in and watch the game from luxury box, no charge. or, be on the sideline, your choice.
and we'd all be happy/proud vs. pissed off at having a sucky team. keep drinkin that kool aid boyz
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to tell what would happen to the Unicorns and magic turtles....
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The donkeys are on the top of the list of teams to overlook us and get beat, espaecially in mile high.
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by overlooking us?
gee Tony ya little genius you, care to rethink that statement? last I checked they get SUPER MAJOR HYPED to play us, every time, and beat us 98% of the time this century in our house or their house
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Thats why we walked into mile High last year and beat the tar out of them. Or the year before when we beat them at home. Or when we beat them in the snow a few yeras before, you know the year they went to the champonship game. They have been hyped to play in the first meeting and have won then, only to have us beat them later in the season. Only time will tell.
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I never had thought that Gallery, shillens or mcfadden and Jlh would be injured all at the same time. This is not an excuse is just a fact that I do not and never will expect a whole lot out of the youngest offense in the league. And now it became even more of a disaster with those guys out. I`ll just wait and see how things our when those guys our back and the cable thing is resolved. I think their keeping Walker benched because they may be tradeing him. They may trade him to Buffalo for T.O. Might as well. things can not get any worse.
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You are starting to make UCry look like a genius the way he is shooting down your totally wrong post. First off, Satele knows the freakin playbook and he's a hell of a lot better than Eric "watchin him brings me to tears" Pears so shift Morris to guard and Satele to center. He is an athlete and his athletic ability will get him by unlike Pears who has to false start or hold to get ahead. Then you say Dilfer and Orton werent good?
Orton has one of the best winning percentages of any active QB and Dilfer won a Super Bowl but only struggled early in his career for a pathetic team. SOUND FAMILIAR UCRY? Hmmm I can think of a quarterback struggling on a pathetic team right now...Whats his name again? Oh yeah Jamarcus Russell! LOL Steve Young? Troy Aikman? Drew Brees? All took several years to become the players they became and all needed great players around them to succeed.
But the Raiders on the other hand, they are expected to win with Eric Pears, Luke Lawton, Heyward-Bey, Cornell Green, and Russell is expected to light up the league with this group. Please! Right now like I said, that article seems to be right. When you start guys like the ones I mentioned and Hiram Eugene, you have no chance to win consistently in this league.
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I warned you....
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Which post are you talking about. Because pears does not play center, morris does !!! and our o-line is much better with Gallery next to Henderson and Morris @ center, I never said anything about pears @ center. And Orton has just become a winner on a team I said we should be careful of to begin with. Back track your lodgic Prame. I`m not bothered by cry shooting down my post, I`m not insecure like his arrogance is or others on here tend to be .
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I'm not willing to concede that Ucry is right yet. What you're seeing is what I spoke of before training camp; Jawalrus not being ready to start the season and needing the first four games to come up to speed and the possibliity of him killing the season before we had a chance to start the season with team disillusionment following. Of course this was all dismissed as Russell bashing at the time.
If Ucry is right then we can expect JR to continue to put up numbers very much like what he has been putting up. If I'm right then we can expect those numbers to improve significantly over the next 4-5 games. I'll post an update to this thread in a few weeks and eat crow if they aren't improved.
...and before the draft I'm the one that tried to tell the fantasy football crowd that if you drafted a WR in the first round you should expect that rookie to play like a first round rookie WR. Is there anyone on this board that wouldn't be willing to trade DHB for Michael Oher or Eugene Monroe now?
If we've only won the 1 or 2 games at the end of the season that Ucry promised then I'll give it up to him but not just yet. A while back the whiners offense was putting up numbers that were historically bad and they turned it around largely by changing out one player; their QB. I'm not saying JR is the whole problem but if we get better play out of the QB position and a couple key players (Schilenz, Gallery, Bush, Barnes, Nick Miller or Walker or Higgins) are allowed to contribute then this could turn around quickly.
Don't be shocked if the Raiders are competitive later today against the Beagles and in the next few games against quality opponents.
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Gasbag, you are the man....Calls it the night before!!!!
Best call I've ever seen on this forum...I doubt you no more...
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I know I normally give you a hard time about some of the comments you make but this time you were right on bro. Damn, I went to the snowy Patriots game wit this chick and I missed this game live but Im watchin it now. I made this post about Ucry out of frustration that I drove down to New York to watch such a horrible performance. Now I will say that you are the one thats right although I dont see the need to call our teams quarterback names LOL.
P-Rame
P.S. You really impressed the hell out of me wit this post. Not that Im someone special but you've won me over and now Im on your side in the debates lol I will say this though, I was also basing this UCry was right post on the fact that Al Davis is calling the shots and he does not like to blitz his vanilla offensive and defensive philosophies so if this can continue, I think we can many more games. Better effort by Jamarcus but the defense carried them through. Out.
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Pig, hanks for the props.
Prame, Chicks are a legitimate reason for missing a game. You should have no problem getting absolution. Judging from the change in the demeanor of your posts I'd venture to guess that you're scoring more often then the Raiders offense. If you get a chance to stick it in the end zone I suggest you not become over exuberant in your celebration. The last thing you want is injury to a team mate or being penalized for unnecessary roughness or unsportsman like conduct....and remember; always act like you've been there before....particularly if the cameras are on. I'm rooting for you.
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PRame, Gasbag, whoever else is still drinking the kool aid........
TIME TO GIVE ME PROPS
otherwise, more egg on yo face
Russell at best is a 100 yards per game QB. he's not smart enough, not agile enough, not accurate enough. he doesn't feel pressure. he doesn't read defenses. i am sorry the truth hurts but the truth is, this guy is no leader. he isn't even very skillful. this is his THIRD year boyz.........STOP with the excuses.
Cable needs to go, too. because, he's just an al davis lackey. a better word for LLAMA. any other coach is playing the second and/or 3rd string QB by now. face it.