Posted on Wednesday, 4/08/2009 - 6:51 p.m. PDT — by Lau
If you want to know what Muslim "activism" is all about see how 'busy' that warrior Jihadi Facist poster "warhater" is about lying as if he "denies" Holocaust.
Let's not kid ourselves only those that want to repeat the Holocaust again, a second one, tell us that they "deny" the first.
More hypoccrisy from Islamism as if they are just against "zionists"...
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I saw the word warhater, are you talking about me? If so what are you saying? Give me something to sink my teeth into. If you took the time to read what I have said you would have gathered by now that the title to my thread was simply an eye catcher leading to the exact opposite of the title and into the question of the justification of Israel to use the Holocaust as a tool to repress the Palestinians.
You do go on don’t you making a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
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Let's look at the text of the Koran and its thoughts on anti-semitism. Surah 5 is loaded with anti-Semitic rhetoric as Mohammad was annoyed by the opposition of the Jews of Medina. Let me call to the attention of everyone that translating these text into English makes me a "hater of the truth and a cursed." Here's some worthy quotes of anti-Semitism in the Koran:
Surah 5, Sec. 8, V. 51: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. Among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.
Sec. 9, V. 64: The Jews say: "Allah's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the blasphemy they utter.
Sec. 10, V. 78: Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith by the tongue of David and of Jesus, the son of Mary (and Messenger), Because they disobeyed and persisted in Excesses.
Sec. 10, V. 82: Strongest among men in Enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans.
When Obama says "we (the USA) is not a Christian country", why would he say such a thing? These words from Surah 5 give the answer.
Sec. 10 V. 72: They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ, the son of Mary."
and Sec. 11 V. 73: They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is No god except One God. If they desist not from their word verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
Obviously, Obama knows these phrases, so he is trying to hide the true identity of the American people in the hope of alleviating their hatred towards us. Too bad, he is known as a liar among the Muslims, and he is merely pandering to the far leftist in this country. An even greater sadness is the time when many innocent American citizens will die, because of Mr. Obama's naive world-view. It is sad that we Americans must suffer from one man's lessons in the school of hard-knocks.
War-hater, you're an Anti-semite, if you want to admit it or not. Your continued post are only a testament to this. The funny aspect is that these forums are no longer viewed as they once were, but you have no clue. If you doubt me, try to find a link to them on the CC Times Home Page. Your lesson is over.
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"War-hater, you're an Anti-semite, if you want to admit it or not."
And of course, you and Lau are obviously anti-Islam. So where do we go from here? There never seems to be a middle point of reconciliation - so the fighting continues, with no end in sight. Perhaps to escalate to a regional conflict?
Lau's strident never ending rhetoric against Palestinians rather than Palestinian militants reveals his purpose. In Lau's world Israelis can do no wrong, and Palestinians can do no right.
Lau invites strident responses on this board, for his heavy handed attacks on Palestinian rights, and his flippant response to their miserable existence. Meanwhile Israel is doing just fine, thank you.
Israel doesn't need Lau to defend it's sovereignty ..... it has one of the most powerful armed forces in the world, and is apparently not afraid to use it with impunity.
Is Israel going to attack Iranian nuclear sites? I can't imagine a worst senario. We can't do it, and Israel shouldn't do it either. There has to be a better answer. Perhaps coming to grips with the Palestinian question is the best answer?
Two states is a powerful incentive for peace, but the right wing Israeli government will have none of that so the blood letting will continue.
"true identity of the American people in the hope of alleviating their hatred towards us."
Those are American made F16s dropping American made 1000 lb bombs on Gaza. Are you seriously wondering why Palestinians don't love the U.S.? Don't blame Obama for this mess.
BTW, "The funny aspect is that these forums are no longer viewed as they once were" if you are going to use that comment as a rerprimand to Warhater, you might also want to mention that to our resident war-monger, Lau. Thanks.
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You and Warhater are the same person. Your rhetoric and writing style are identical, even if you try to mask it.
Funny how you didn't mention anything about the meat of my argument which is Islam is an anti-Semitic religion even if Bush and Obama deny that Truth. Wait a second, they said the exact same thing! If Bush is an idiot, according to you libs, what does that make Obama?
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Similar writing styles? Same person? Not even close. Besides I am all over the board regarding various issues and Warhater limits his comments to the Arab-Israeli conflict. If you were around the forum long enough you would realize this. But it really doesn't matter to me - have it your way, if it floats your boat.
"Funny how you didn't mention anything about the meat of my argument which is Islam is an anti-Semitic religion"
Every religion trumpets itself and shows contempt for other religions. Jews consider themselves the "chosen people" to the exclusion of everyone else. How convenient for them. I guess the rest of us are all destine for hell fire and brimstone.
Exodus 17:13 And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword. Exodus 17:16 For he said, because the Lord hath sworn that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.
If the Koran dissed the Jews, then what can you say about the Old Testament and the Amalekites?
And of course, Joshua's holocaust exploits continue: Joshua 10-40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded _____Joshua 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and [bleep], with the edge of the sword
This mayhem goes on for ever in the Old Testament. Now, once again - what were you saying about how unkind the Koran is to the Jews? And how the Koran is singularly a book of hatred and violence?
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You know the one who Abraham sent into the desert? What say you, Mr. Bible Scholar? Looks like the Jewish people honor the Muslim people in their holy book to me. Your analogy is reaching big-time! We're discussing ANTI-SEMITISM in this thread. Do the big words help you?
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Let's take a step backwards for a moment. First off, the thread was started by Lau concerning the Holocaust and Warhaters comments. You were the one to start quoting chapter and verse from the Bible - and then I responded to you. And you got the nerve to call me Mr. Bible Scholar in contempt? You're embarassing yourself.
What I said was true. Most religions are unkind to one another. You quoted passages from the Koran suggesting Muslims are anti-Semitic. I responded. I quoted the Jewish Old Testament as having much hate and violence also. So please don't see yourself as a unique special VICTIM. (Note: I wrote it big, does it help?)
You are referring to ancient verse from the Koran and the Bible, and trying to make it literally applicable to today's world. If you are sensible, you will realize most Muslims are not bomb throwing religious zealots. And you will also have to admit radical Protestants of the Bible belt who handle poisonous snakes to prove their devotion and faith are not a typical example of Christian faith either.
Each religion seems to have a small group of extremist that are way out of line with their own religious orthodoxy, and that includes Jews also.
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Within Islam there is a fairly large amount of peopel that do wish harm upon us. I have been to muslim countries and seen it myself. If you are a fan of womens rights and freedom of or from relegion you also know this. Most muslims of course are not bomb throwers that is true but the amount in that community that are is scary. The amount that really do blame the jews for 911 and indeed celebrated 911 is quite telling.
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We have no business being there, I hope we get our butts kicked. Would you not hate if the country that gave you Saddam (the US) turned around and invaded you to get rid of him in 2003 when it had its chance in 1991 but chose not to and instead placed Iraq under UN sanctions resulting in the deaths of at least 500,000 young children due to malnutrition and lack of medical supplies. How much injustice do you expect a people to take before they hate the people inflicting it on them?
The bigger question is has America become so taken astray that it can no longer tell the difference between right and wrong?
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The only one talking about anti Semitism is you. Zionism and Judaism are two different animals unless of course you would consider a horse and a zebra the same animal. You really come up with weak arguments and the repetition of your arguments is so boring that I don’t know how chewy has the patients to continue rebutting you. I’ve long since left this forum and rarely look back except to see what chewy or shays have written and I don’t see shays around much anymore.
If you continue to insult people with whom you disagree the only one left will be you and then you can shake hands with all the other pseudo names you have concocted to agree with you and call yourself the winner while standing in an empty room with no one to talk to.
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Your arguments lack anything that could be considered meat that one would desire to address CinClayton.
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I am anti Zionist and proud to say it and you seem to be running out of things to say. You spend entirely too much time worrying about me, worry instead about the complete moral breakdown of the citizens of Israel as the influence of Russian Zionist takes over the psyche of the people and sends them into the pit of spiritual death where I’m sure yours already resides.
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Terrorist attacks in England, Spain, Italy, the Philliphines, Chechnya-Russia, China, and now in India-a predominately Hindi nation. In those nations the terrorism is not connected to Judaism......the Muslims will committ terrorist acts on anyone...including other Muslims, by blowing up Mosques.....
Jews are the chosen people, they wish to live in peace. It is Islam that professes destroying Isreal and pushing it into the sea. Islam is a religion of destruction and keeping women subservient second hand citizens, lets not even discuss....female mutilation, forced pre-pubescent marriages to 60yr old men, non voting rights for women, or the simple right to walk in public as a women....
There is no such reference to destroying Muslims in the Torah...... No equivelant to "infidels"
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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The Jews are the chosen alright; chosen to be the patsies for the Zionist just as they were the patsies for the Nazis. I really feel sorry for the Jews because they are being used by the Zionist wanting to control Middle Eastern oil and choosing to legitimize this dominance by giving it a religious slant they decided to put the Jews square into the middle of hostile territory. Excuse me I said that wrong; the Zionist would have made anywhere they placed the Jewish people a hostile territory simply to feed conflict and make the wars that make oil necessary.
In conclusion Zionist took the form of Jews because historically they were a downtrodden religion/race of people that would serve the Zionist ambitions of acquiring land in the Middle East while at the same time militarily dominating the land justified in being the (victim) and therefore having the right to protect itself from the self induced hostilities roundabout.
Here’s the deal; Hitler's war was financed by the international Jewish banking system. The rich Jews (Zionist) sent their own people into Hitler's death camps in order to achieve the endgame of Palestine. A place where the bankers could make up their own rules and defy UN mandates based on the privilege of being victims of Hitler's atrocities.
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all together in public and private, then they set up watch lists to monitor "ENEMIES OF THE REVOLUTION" LIKE IN CUBA, VENEZUELA, AND CHINA....
Obama took his first step today, by having a Catholic Icon covered while giving a speech at Georgetown. The I.H.S. plaque a reference to Jesus, was ordered covered up.
VERY ODD INDEED SINCE OUR PRESIDENT OBAMA, HAS NO PROBLEM, BOWING TO THE SAUDI KING, OR REMOVING HIS SHOES BEFORE ENTERING A MOSQUE IN TURKEY. He was not bothered by the Islamic yellow cresent plastered on many of the buildings he visited.....only the Christian Icon offended him
OUR NATION IS IN GRAVE DANGER, BOTH STALIN AND HITLER TOO....STARTED BY COVERING RELIGIOUS ICON, THEN ELIMINATED RELIGION ALL TOGETHER AS THEY FORMED THEIR SOCIALIST DICTATORSHIPS.....TAKING AWAY INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS FROM THE Populace....
"Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they set out to deceive.
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Maybe Obama’s handlers knew that Catholicism is a cult not accepted among true Christians and found it prudent to veil the statue of an icon. Christians worship without statues and charms doing exactly what God said to do i.e. not make any idol of Him. On the other hand in Islam there are no such things that would require covering since it is forbidden to make even an artist painting of anything representing God, so they the Muslims and we the Christians seem to be on the same page. What’s your problem? Perhaps you could leave a link describing the insult you believe was committed.
By the way I would take off my shoes entering your house if you asked me to. What's wrong with Obama showing a little respect? Do you have a problem with respect?
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"OUR NATION IS IN GRAVE DANGER"
Brentwood, you are an visionary. Armageddon is near, and the 4 horsemen have been seen in the hills behind Brentwood city limits.
Righteous folk such as yourself should rejoice!! The Spirit is calling you home, and you can thank Mr. Obama. So don't say he never did anything for you.
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Tom, you sound like a pretty reasonable fellow to me - on this thread and others. I appreciate your candor. (I move to the top of the thread, because we will get lost at the bottom.)
"If you are a fan of womens rights and freedom of or from relegion you also know this."
(Tom925 - 4/16/09 2:27 PM)
I have a wonderful daughter, and totally respect women's rights. But we are talking about religious belief which at face value .... is not rational, is it?
Funny thing is, many Muslim women don't see themselves as deprived. They welcome their life style. And who are we to talk, when the so called "glass ceiling" in American culture was broken only 40 years ago, and is still a work in progress. (Consider that after WWII "Rosie the Riveter" was expected to quit her job [that won the war] so men could be the head of household again.) We are so progressive from other peoples. :)
As far as apparel goes, certainly, a burka is an extreme example, and it looks horrendous to me, but then again, just where to draw the line in haute couture for feminine modesty is difficult to understand.
The repressive covering of female extremities in the Arab world may seem absurd to us - but is a bare breasted Las Vegas show girl wearing a G-string our enlighten answer to Arab conservatism? Or the cover of Cosmo explaining how women should give their man pleasure? I don't really know where the line is. What I do know, is Western culture and Islam don't understand one another.
One other thing about repressive women's religious dress codes. I recall as a young man attending Catholic church when all the women were expected to cover their heads when entering Church. Was that a pretentious Catholic way of emphasizing their subordinate status to men? So in retrospect how different are we? Is it only a matter of degree?
Seventy years ago, great numbers of European Jews invaded Palestine. Not the place they were born mind you, but rather a place seemingly given to them by "divine providence." The Arabs who lived there and claimed it by birthright were forced from their lands and in many cases into refugee camps. Seventy years later, they or their children are still refugees. They have endured deprivation and atrocities because they were the losers in this conflict. Can you understand Palestinian resentment of Israel and it's American supporters?
Perhaps that's history and can't be changed. Israel does exists as a nation of peoples, and is recognized as such. I think that Israel has a right to exist.
What angers me is Israel and its militant American supporters asking why are the Palestinians people still complaining and being difficult? In essence Israel says: we won, we want peace, lets all be friends, and forget about all that messy stuff.
Israel's fiery birth seventy years ago may seem like Divine intervention to some modern day Jews, but Israel as a nation has a moral and ethical responsibility to find an answer to the dispossessed Palestinian people.
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I think a striking difference between Islam and say Christianity is the level of invlovement in daily life. Maybe they are simply more dedicated than Christians are but the way Islam mingles in the secular world in Muslim countries is of concern to me. I would not want ANY relegion involved in the US. Go to church for that but keep is seperate from government.
That said one day the major parties in the miffle east need to find peace some day.
I hope I live long enough to see it.
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Evangelicals voting in record numbers is how Bush got elected. And Bushes religious conviction fashioned his political agenda: stem cell research for instance?
Besides, you live in "let it all hang out" California a liberal bastion for sure, if you lived in the Bible belt you might have a different perpective on how the religious and the secular get all mixed up.