Posted on Mon, 08/04/2008 - 16:56 — by Xplosive
The Redskins have released safety Stuart Schweigert, the team announced on Monday.
In addition, the Redskins re-signed safety Patrick Ghee and fullback Pete Schmitt and released linebacker Danny Verdun-Wheeler.
Schweigert, a 4-year NFL veteran, originally signed with the Redskins on June 2. He was expected to battle Reed Doughty for a starting job at safety in training camp, but the competition never materialized.
Schweigert played in Sunday night's Hall of Fame Game against the Indianapolis Colts. He was late getting over in coverage, allowing Colts quarterback Quinn Gray to throw a 30-yard touchdown pass to wide receiver Onrea Jones.
Immediately after the play, Schweigert consulted with safeties coach Steve Jackson on the sidelines. Schweigert stayed in the game and played most of the second half.
Ghee, 6-1 and 210 pounds, takes Schweigert's roster spot. He originally signed with the Redskins on May 6, but was released a month later.
Ghee, a first-year player, has had NFL stints with Seattle and Carolina. He played college football at Wake Forest.
Schmitt, 6-3 and 252 pounds, spent the offseason with the Redskins, but he was released on July 18.
Schmitt, a first-year player, entered the NFL as an undrafted rookie with the Redskins in 2007. He starred at Wisconsin-Whitewater in college.
Verdun-Wheeler signed with the Redskins' roster last January. He spent three weeks on the team's practice squad last season.
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Wow. I guess the old saying is true, "If it walks like a duck and tackles like a duck, it for damn sure ain't Sean Taylor."  Stay up.
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Wow, Stuey was late in coverage and gave up a TD? I can't believe that because he never did that here. lol. Just kidding. I told Valley he would suck and have a hard time sticking somewhere other than this team. We put up with his stuff for way too long. I'm out.
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I read  that davis really really is trying to get Walker back to his super playing potential and is seeking all kinds of help....... walker is my new big concern....
hopefully he comes alive with days leading up to the bronco game.. if not we need to place a call to Cincy and offer up the 2009 1st round pick for Chad Johnson.
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yeah this is one post i think mongoose and sac will stay off of....lol....they were wrong about that guy...and they talk about pep eh?...geez...lol.....and even if they do defend him on this post, what can they really say?....peace
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Future, here is the straight up deal with those two. Right now, they are trying to rally around any white player that makes the starting lineup for the Raiders. Call it a racist statement if you want to but those two support every white player competing against a black player and the fact is these players suck but they are all they have.
Even guys like Gallery or Sims who they do not talk about, good or bad because their jobs were always secure. I have never seen them bash a white player. I like a player regardless of color. If he can play the game, I will say it. Like Tom Brady (even though he fumbled against us lol), he is great, so is Peyton. Urlacher, very good player. But there just isnt many white Raiders for them to support so they will choose any stiff out there lol.
If a black player sucks, I'll say it too like guys who are overrated such as Fred Smoot or Reche Caldwell. THEY SUCK!!!! lol I dont need a lecture by any of you on this either because I said what I said because I believe its true and Im not taking it back or apologizing. That doesnt make those guys racist either. They just rally behind their race, nothing wrong with that. A lot of brothers do it too. I'm out.
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Wow man did you really say that? You think that I only like players because of the color of their skin. Ha Ha thats a low blow man and there is no need for it. I liked Stu when he came out of Purdue and when he came to the Raiders it helped a little. I guess I should like Fargas better because he is "whiter" that DMC. Are you for real man. Look I wasn't going to touch the subject at all, but seriously coming out and saying that I like players based soley on their color is pretty lame. I am very surprised that thins statement has come out of your mouth. Because I think McCown is better that Pep NOW has nothing to do with the color of their skin. I don't expect you to apologize or anything, I just truly hope you don't think that I would chose a white player over a black based on skin color. Ha Ha seriously man thats ridiculous how how many times have I talked about players that I like that were black? Everyone only seems to remember Stu and Josh. You know what, thats fine I'm cool with that I don't really care. I just think its a sad day in Raiderville when I get called a racist while the person is trying to say they aren't calling me one. Were cool man I just hope that you honestly don't think that I like either of those guys because they were challenging a black guy for position.
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hey justin may have a white mom, but he is definitely a black guy, lol..you seen his dad right?Â
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I know what Justin is and you definitely missed the point.
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yeah i am gonna be honest, they went to bat for josh mccown unlike any maun i ever seen in my entire life....i mean we went months on in in that debate for that guy and he really sucked and his wr's were literally giving up on the guy out there...that denver game he had was good but pep still had the better games.
you remember that first game of the season when josh mccown was talking shiot saying how he was gonna have a good game against his old team detroit and he still passed for picks against unkonwn corners?...lol...i remember talking to mongose on the phone (during that game) and he was defending him but i also remember talking to sac for the first time ever during that game as well and all the complaints i had about josh he actually agreed with me but the next day on the site his tone had changed dramatcially, so my guess was that mongoose talked him out of not liking josh's performance...lol.
ever since then sac supported mccown...so yeah, i think mongoose influenced him for sure...lol..peaceÂ
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You had mentioned once before about the situation with Sac which is why I apologized to him because I talked about him and he never really has battled me on that issue. Its one of those where I shouldnt have talked about something that I heard 3rd hand. I remember that game against Detroit. That was McCown's second best game rating wise with 300 yards passing, 30 for 40 completions and 2 Td's but passing but those picks and fumbles getting returned for td's killed us!!!! We'll see what happens. I'm out
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i think sac's feeling are hurt maun, he didn't come back...i gotta go and try to find him....
that really upset me back then because at first i was just fighting with mongoose then i wound up fighting both of them...about josh mccown of all people...how could they back him up is anyone's guess...i never seen a player make as any mistakes as he did and had supporters...that was ridiculous...i am glad that guy is gone for rea...i remember at one point you backed him up when he was leaving 'zona and you wanted him to come, remember that?...what wee you thinking?...peace
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Well I aplogized to Sac and that is all I can do to show I was wrong and sorry for lumping in like that. As far as McCown, yes when he left Arizona, I wanted him on the Raiders and that was because we had no one else after Kerry Collins but Andrew Walter.
He is a guy that seemed to benefit from playing with guys like Boldin and Fitzgerald and he fooled me into thinking he had a stronger arm than he did because in the few games I watched him, he looked like he was chucking deep balls to those two guys. Plus he can run.
Then he comes over here and I get to watch him every week and then I see how his arm is so much weaker than I thought. I then felt that with Daunte Culpepper coming in early August that he was a better option because I always had DC higher on my list than McCown.
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sac and i usually only argue about fargas, lol...but yeah we all went at it on stu and josh...he was a big fan of stu, but he picked the wrong guy because this guy can't stay with a team not...in my opinion it's settled, stu isn't as good as they may thought...
pennington may got to miami and i know they contacted him...he is better than josh although he can't run worth a damn and have no arm power...but he is smarter than josh...i don't see how anyone can support josh..he realy hasn't done anything..peaceÂ
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I dont see why so many people have that big a problem with Fargas. Yes he gets hurt but he also never really got a chance to get a lot of reps throughout his career so that's gonna happen if you are riding the pine then all of a sudden they throw you in the fire.
If our coaches got into the habit of preparing every player (that has a legitimate chance of playing) as if they were the number one guy then I dont think it would have been a problem. This year will be the key. He is getting the reps now and he has to be a little more productive with touchdowns.
They say a few teams are going after Pennington so I wont say he's taking Josh's job just yet but if he does go there, Josh may end up getting cut because Chad wont get signed just to get released and then they have the two young guys John Beck and Chad Henne so one of the four will be the odd man out and my guess is Josh. Beck and Henne are on long term deals.
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Sac,
I know I dont have to apologize to you but i will and this is why. I threw your name in there based on conversations I have had with other individual bloggers on this site who talk to you much more than I do and feel you are this way.
However, I personally have not see you take these things to that extent. You are more low key and I have seen both you and your brother both make positive comments about black players. I mean how can you not when 90 percent of the team is black?
I did say that if there is a battle between and a white guy, you guys take the side of the white man everytime. Then again, I apologize for that too because the fact is I lumped you in for how I feel regarding your brother. He is the one that will fight to the death for these losers and he is the one that I feel is truly acts this way and I will not apologize for that.
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P.S. I was wrong for lumping in you like that and I hope you can accept my apology for that. I truly feel Valley rallies behind these guys because of their race as sort of a pride issue because lord knows he has so much pride that he can never let anyone get the last word! lol
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I honestly don't care if people think that I like guys cause of the color of their skin, but I'll tell you what. I would sure as shiot have a hard time putting together a team if I did. I appreciate you apologizing to me and all, but because I have stood up for two white guys in the past and mind you they aren't even on the freaking team anymore I still get thought up in your post. Regardless of how much you and I actually talk its apparent that you and your boys are throwing my name around in a negative light. Your feelings on my brother are yours to have and if thats really how you view him than I'm sorry and I hope you guys can work something out because its really a shame that some lame shiot like JM and SSÂ (who again, aren't on the team) would make people start to take personal shots.
I accept your apology man, but I never thought I would have heard that kind of stuff come out of your mouth about me or my bro. Its just sad man.
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I can understand your frustration with the comments but to me Stuey and Josh were so bad that the only reason that makes sense for supporting them is to support the race. I know you have explained your liking of Stu since Purdue. I can understand that because he was pretty decent in college. However, with Josh, I was told that you flip-flopped on the guy out of nowhere which led me to believe differently about you. I was wrong for assuming.
What I already have said was that I do not believe either of you are racist and just because you support players of your race, it doesnt mean you are a racist because if that was the case then people could accuse Future for being racist. He is just proud of strong black figures and to tell you the truth, if I was white, I would support whatever white dudes on the team because there aren't too many. I would support black players too and if a black player is better I'll say it.
I do believe that your brother may be of the old school mentality that certain black players are not intelligent enought to play Qb because he was insulting DC's grasp of the playbook last year when it was said in articles that he had learned enough plays, they were just limiting the playbook for DC because of his knee. Anyways, that is my explanation, believe it or not. Take care and I hope to whoop you in some fantasy lol. I'm out
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I never flip flopped on Josh, I always wanted him to be the starter over Pep because I personally think that Pep is washed up. I supported Josh for some of the same reasons you supported Pep. Daunte in my mind is washed up and its apparent that you guys don't think so. I have never see Pep do anything in his career since Moss left which leads me to believe that his WRs made him who he is. With that said, I supported Josh and Stu based on the fact that both of them had the starting job out of the gate, not to mention Stu beat out Darius for a spot lets also not forget that they both (Stu and Josh) didn't really have strong competition behind them. Its not like I wanted Josh to start over McNaab. Future says that I flip flopped on McCown because I was talking trash about the turnovers. Who wouldn't? I talk about the turnovers no matter who the player is. Again, because I "flip flopped" has nothing to do with color or anything. McCown sucked yes, why did I support him? Because I think (and still do) that Josh is better NOW than Pep. Were not talking careers here.
I support the guys that I feel are better suited for us to win in my eyes. Do I think Russell should have played more last season? Sure do, and you know what? It's all because it would have helped him out as well as the team for now. I don't need a guy to be the same color as me for me to be happy the Raiders win. Do I think Rich Gannon is a savior? Hell yea, but what Raider fan doesn't? Ha Ha you see what I'm saying. Its not like I came out and said that Tim Dwight should be starting over Porter and Curry.
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I see where you are getting it but if you say DC has done much without Moss and Carter (which I guess is true to some degree although he did have an MVP type season with Moss injured for like 7 games,) what has Josh done period?
Never mind since he left Arizona with Fitzgerald and Boldin because even with those two he still wasnt able to beat out guys like John Navarre, Kurt Warner, and Shaun King for the outright starting job there.
Then he signs with the 2nd worst team in the league Detroit and gets converted to wide receiver? Then he signs with the worst team in the league, us, and starts for a few games but does so terrible that DC and Russell started games within the year.
Now he is once again with the worst team in the league and he will most likely get cut if Pennington goes there and if not, he will be holding the headset and clipboard. What is it about this guy that would lead either of you to feel he is even close to DC?
DC like I said, put up 39 TD's in a season where Moss only had 12 of them and that is more than the 35 Josh has thrown in his career!!! lol I know you will say that came before the knee injury but his what does his legs have to do with 39 passing tds to guys like Nate Burleson and Jerome Wiggins?
This is an update for you and your brother who said no one wants the guy right now. Wikipedia has it and any joe smoe can find it:
2008 free agency
As of July 2008, he remains unsigned by any NFL team, although it was reported by ESPN that he visited the Green Bay Packers on April 23rd and 24th of 2008.[25] Culpepper would later turn down the offer from Green Bay, $1 million for a one year contract, claiming the deal wasn't good for either side. He said he was in contact with a few other teams. In July, 2008, it was reported that the Detroit Lions were interested in signing Culpepper, but they never made an offer to him.
It seems Mr. Culpepper could have signed to be Aaron Rodgers backup and eventually take over if he struggled but like I told Valley he is waiting around to see what the best fit for him is right now. I cant see the game until 1 am Sunday morning so booooo! lol
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Ha Ha nice part 2
Josh hasn't done anything. Thats my point. You guys were going on past talent that Pep had where I was looking at the potential that Josh could have had. We were both wrong. You thought Pep had more potential and I though Josh had more and that Pep was done. It was all personal preference, you thought Pep gave us the better chance at winning and I thought the opposite. I don't know how the hell that conversation got blown this far out of whack but its apparent that none of us is following what the other is saying.
Problem with everything on your post is its all in the past. There was also a time when we had a guy that sucked for us and didn't do anything and he was a damn MVP candidate last yea.. His name was Randy Moss. We also had a guy come in here that couldn't get a starting nod anywhere else, the guy was a journeyman. He "was holding the clipboard and wearing the headset" until he got here and then he won the MVP. His name, Rich Gannon. Your past can only take you so far. Its amazing that you remember how good Pep was but yet forget how bad his injury was. McCown deserved all the BS that was thrown his way, because he has never proved to anyone that he could be a starter every week in this league, but he came to us healthy and without a lot of baggage and was basically a stop gap till Russell was ready. Had Russell gotten into camp early he probably would have started more than one game.
Culpepper started games due to McCown being injured (so says Kiffin) this is why McCown was starting later in the season as well. Russell played because we had nothing to lose. Why not let the guy get into a game? I have already said that after the season it was a wash because both guys sucked. Neither of them played well enough to brag about, but when Future comes to me and says that I had his back and then denies having Peps back it turns into a whole new thing. We (Valley and myself) took up for McCown just as much as you guys (and I'm not sure how much you were involved with that if at all) took up for Pep so I don't know why its a big deal. My brother and I talk about things in person so we end up with the same conclusion most of the time which is why we don't talk on here all that much. Same thing with you and Future and Stew I'm sure you guys talk on the phone so debates get solved really quick versus on here where a 15 min debate could take 2 weeks.
Problem with Wikipedia is the fact that any joe smoe can write anything they want on it. I do however know about Pep's situation and know that he is representing himself. I know that he is trying to wait around till someone needs him, however I can't seriously think he is going to be offered a starting position anywhere at this point. He is looking to make the money he feels he deserves and 1 mil is a slap in the face to a guy who has started in this league. I wish the guy well, but with Pennington now in the FA market and I'm sure Chris Simms will be too here soon his window is quickly closing to even see a clipboard in his hands.
Sucks that you won't be able to see the game. I'm actually really pissed cause my buddy decides to get married today and I have to miss my Softball playoffs, the opening celebration of the Olympics ( I love the Olympics! Am I the only one who does cause everyone seems to give me shiot about it), and the Raider game. I have TiVo so I can record the Raider game luckily I just hope my softball team can win without me LOL. The worst part is that I have to go home from work change really quick and then get my butt to the house all in 30 min. Ha Ha and its out of town... talk about a workout.
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The fact is that yes neither guy set the world on fire when they played but DC led us to wins (plural) and he had better overall performances than McCown. McCown's lone win and good game was against Denver at home. Other than that he really has some piss porr performances lke against Chicago. DC never played as bad as McCown's worst games.
I know its like comparing apples and oranges because they both were mediocre but McCown was worse. Yes Kiffin had McCown was hurt but they were dying for an excuse to replace him because even Mccown said that he was ready to go one of the weeks they benched him. As of right now, Chad Pennington went to Josh's team and DC is working out to be a #2 somewhere.
I wouldnt be surprised that come the start of the season, DC is a number is scrambling for a job somewhere. If Josh was good, why would they sign Chad even with two other young guys there already in Beck and Henne. Josh is gonna be the odd man out there in Miami and once again I will beat beating your brother in a debate because he talks smack too soon lol.
I saw the game on a replay and let me tell you, defense overall played well, offensive line was pretty good, passing game was disappointing, starting runners didnt do as well as the backup runners so we still have a ways to go. Russell needs to start unleashing the fury on these teams and Kiffin needs to take the diapers off.
Well it seems like you had a busy day with the wedding and all. I have a do or die playoff softball game tuesday. Its win or go home. I dont play that much because I run the team so I can keep myself on the bench and let others play but we should have already been moving on to the 2nd round if it was for 3 runs in the 7th last week to beat us. Good luck
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Man, I don't really feel like getting into it with these guys again. It was all a matter of opinion. Miami was weak so Peps best game coming against them isn't that impressive to me. McCown's best game was in the win VS a division rival the Broncos. Did Pep have horrible games like Josh? Yes, but like you said, not as bad as Josh. We could compare them over and over again and my mind isn't going to chance. Josh threw twice as many picks yet threw twice as many TDs. Pep got sacked more than Josh, Pep had more passing yards, Josh had a better completion percentage on and on and on, problem is neither guy won us many games and it was just a matter of who you thought gave you the better chance to win and we both differ in opinion.
Your kind of hurting your argument by saying that if Josh was good than Chad wouldn't have been signed. Josh has a team and Pep is still looking for one. Chad is better than Josh and why wouldn't you sign a FA QB that will challenge for the starting job? Why do you think Pep came here last year? I think that teams could end up contacting Pep later on as teams find their backups aren't what they thought they were, but Pep to realize what his worth is. We also went out last year and got Darius who many of us would have ended up being our starting SS. Brought him in for competition and he didn't even make the team so the same thing could happen to Chad or Josh.
Our starting D looked pretty good. Again its preseason so noone unleashes their "real" offense or defense until week 1, but none the less looked good. Wilson had a couple of big stops along with Morrison. Even Hall got in on a nice tackle for a short gain. I wasn't that happy with the OL. They for the most part opened holes, but that pass protection looks shaky. Russell looked pretty bad, but they also didn't really give him that much to work with as far as plays. Would have liked to see him play a bit more like Walter as far as play selection goes. I don't know if Kiffin is just trying to keep him under the radar for the preseason as he seems to be doing with McFadden, or if our starting offense is really that bland. McFadden got a lot of carries but there was nothing fancy and not a lot of him coming out of the backfield as a receiver.
Good luck with your game man. Our team lost. Apparently our pitcher walked in 5 runs and we only lost by 2. Pretty bad though. Ha Ha they could have used my bat. No more softball for me till Fall and then instead of Friday games it will be Wednesday which actually works out for me cause I have Thursdays off.
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i was laughing at how you tell rame you don't feel like gettin' into it with the debate but then you haul off a few more paragrapghs, lol....now that is funny...your best work of the month.
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Ha Ha you know how I do it man. I start off not wanting to get into it and then you read and you can't help it. Ha Ha I think its a Sac trademark LOL.
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First I'll apologize for taking so long to get back to you but I have been extremely busy at work getting our customers ready for football season.
Second, my softball team got crushed in Game 3 of the 1st round 16-0. Now we will have to get things back in order next spring.
Third, I agreed with your assesment of the first preseason game and after looking at the second game, I think a lot of the weaknesses that showed in the 1st game improved for Game 2 which is all that a fan can ask for. The receiving core needs to step it up tonight.
As of right now, Josh does have a job and DC does not but like I was telling your brother, nothing matters until Sept. 7th. My opinion is Josh will definitely be a backup so will DC.
I think DC's injuries are the only reason we can have a debate because if he didnt get reinjured being a jackass racing Routt then this would not be worth discussing. DC was, is, and always be a better QB than Josh however these two are no longer worth discussing.
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No worries man, I pretty much knew that this was a busy time of year for you so I didn't think to much about it.
Thats rough man, 16-0? I didn't even get to go to my last game which sucks, but we have another league in the fall so I don't have to wait to long to get back into things.
I have to agree. All I have wanted from this team was for them to show progress. It took a lot longer than I wanted and more "baby steps" than the leaps and bounds we were all expecting. I'm hoping to see a nice passing attack tonight as Kiffin said. I would think that all the WRs are going to see a lot of playing time.
DC and JM aren't worth talking about anymore. Neither guy is going to effect the outcome of our game unless we have to play against them. We can focus on this up coming team and find new players to argue about LOL.
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i gotta jump in and say this....
Do I think Rich Gannon is a savior? Hell yea, but what Raider fan doesn't?
you'd be very suprised at how many "old school" raier fans didn't like him...i was very appalled when i found this awt and it kinda pissed me off...some didn't like him because he was too hard on the team, some didn't like him because he threw a lot of short passes, and alos some didn't like him because he rips the players on the squad now, but hell, i say it's warrented...peace Â
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I have yet to find any Raider fan that thinks Gannon is trash. You may not like him as a commentator, but as a Raider QB he is the best we have had in a long time. "old school" raider fans that don't like him because he was hard on the team or because he threw short passes are a little off their rocker. You could argue that without Gannon we wouldn't have gotten to a Super Bowl. 4 time Pro Bowler 2 time Pro Bowl MVP(which has never been done consecutively until him ) not to mention his record setting NFL MVP year. Now you tell me the last Raider QB to have those credentials and how as a Raider fan you could argue Rich Gannon didn't bring the Raiders back to promise while he was here.
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boy did you get this post screwed up unlike any time ever.
first and foremost i "loved" gannon and still miss him and i had the most fun in my entire life as a football fan when he was our qb....2nd, i never not once said people thought he was "trash"...you are way off...and i mean waaaaayyyyy off.
i love him as a commentator because he rips us when we need it...shiot i do the same thing..i love it when he is doing our games...but their are kats who didn't like him...birdwell for one because he and i went at it when i found out how he felt about him....no one said he was sorry, but they said they didn't like him because of short passes and he could be hard ont he organization...he was a defiant leader like the guy who wanted him...gruden...a lot of guys who didn't like gru (on this site) didn't like gannon at all...
i fought every last one who thought this....i am sure that rame can tell you about the times when he and i were puzzeled on kats who didn't favor gannon...on and off da phone.
so i am pretty much gonna ignore what you said until you correct yourself....gannon is my favorite qb...he and da hos.
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Yea man sorry I miss read what you said about him. Thats my bad, and I wasn't targeting you specifically.
I can understand not liking Gannon's style of play if your old school, but you can't deny that he brought us back on top. I said he was our savior because we were mediocre for years until he came here. He got here and we became familiar with the playoffs and the AFC Championships. Not to mention we won out our division multiple times.
Again, I wasn't attacking you personally about Gannon cause I know you like him, I was saying that people that don't like him are ridiculous. There are Raiders that I don't like their style of play, but if they start to rock it then thats awesome. You can dislike his style of play but you can't knock that he didn't bring this team out of the gutter.
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well if you were not targeting me it damn sure was written like it, lol.
i have absolutely nothing bad to say about gannon...period...so all that you just said about him i agree with...we must drink de blood of whoever opposes him...it really pissed me off when bird told me he never favored gannon...gru either...anyone who opposes al davis in any way he didn't like....gru and gannon were exactly what we needed at the time...
that is why i like kiff, he is the defiant type...young, brash, he tels the truth about the team....he rips al davis on the sly too...the media points this shiot out and they are right...lol.
however, i think he is too conservative when it comes to russ, but that is anpther story altogether.
hey maun while all fans were salivating on mcfad 12 carries for 47 yards, i was happy that fargas got 5 carries for 25 yards...5 yards per carry....kick [bleep] and kiff admitted that justin is having the best camp out of all the starters...so much that he won't play him much next game so when you see mcfad start don't take that shiot out of context....somebody will, and i am gonna point this out to you when it happens..
the good thing about that preseason game is that fargas quietly got 25 yards on only 5 carries...his first run was 10 yards...umm, i am really impreasse with michael bush...i like him, he is my 2nd fav back on the team right now....
if mcfad starts i want to see that homerun hitting baility that he uhh, has...peace and don't forget, "we must drink de blood of all who oppose gannon."Â
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Yea man I know that you liked Gannon I was just trying to point it to the guys you were talking about and somehow just tripped up on words. I didn't know that birdwell didn't like Gannon. I know his feelings about Gru and I can understand why he feels that way about him too.
I did see Justin run and you and I have talked about this before. I give you a lot of shiot about him, but I really do enjoy watching him run. I like to give you a hard time about it cause I was wrong about him and I know that you will back him no matter what LOL.
I have already said this many times. I don't put much thought into the starting lineups in preseason. Rankin getting more playing time doesn't even mean that he will make the team, although I would have to think that you would keep him on the practice squad at least. Guys that need to prove something are the ones that get the most playing time and thats basically all it is. Its kinda funny that way, cause you want Russell to learn the offense better and seeing how Walter ran it he looks good and Russell looks a bit shakey so you would think that Russell would get more playing time, but you also don't want him to get hurt.
I don't think your going to see the plays designed to get McFadden open in the preseason. I think you are going to see him just pound away up the middle like Fargas and Bush. And what I mean by designed I mean gimick plays like taking a direct snap or something like that. I liked what I saw from Bush too. It actually looks like Justin is running a little lower than I remember from last year.
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gru looked out for himself and that is what he was supposed to do....trust me, al davis looks out for himself all the time....some say gru was a snake, but hell, look at what davis did at the very beginning of his reign, a lot of older kats thought he was the ultimate snake....it's al davis who trains these young coaches, and they turn out to be like him but people blame the young coach?...weird, lol.
anyhoo, off that because i don't want to debate about that, umm....
you do realize that you admitted that you were wrong about him in your 2nd paragrapgh right?....it brings futuristic tears into my eyes..sniff, sniff...lol.
but yeah fargas quietly ran for his yards, i love how he does it too...he slips through the hole and the next thing you know, he has 5 yards...kiff said he is having the best camp out of all starters right now.
I have already said this many times. I don't put much thought into the starting lineups in preseason.
you're contradicting yourself gypsy...last season you thought that african guy joe achemandu would beat out fargas because he got more reps, remember?...now how you will you respond to that?...lol.
yeah i am not gonna but sweet about it, i wanted russ on da team and he looks sucky right now...he needs to step it up...but you may not know this, i like walter...always had too....i wanted him to stat that year when shell was here, but i really felt sorry for him...no one could have endured that and have a good season...if you block for him he can rip teams apart...he really can....i "never" release him on my madden teams, lol...they always have his arm power at 92 but i usually up it to about 96, he can really launch that muthaf__Ka.
from what i saw justin ran the same to me, but they need to unleash russ, mcfad too...i mean other teams are unleashing their weapons, so we need to do it to ours...kiff is a defiant type coach, but he babysits players too much and that will lead to his demise....i can already see that.
al will fire him and try to get the vertical offense back because it fits russ, not the short stuff....i just hope they keep zone scheme going...peace gypsy
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Ha Ha I already told you I was wrong about Fargas after the season. Still don't think he is as good as you think, but I think he is good none the less. Ha Ha i'm glad I could bring tears to your eyes.
No I'm not contradicting myself, I said that I thought that Joe would make the team over Fargas because he was having a good camp and he performed better in preseason. In my eyes I thought that Fargas was fighting for a job. He wasn't supposed to be the starter last year and we had Jordan and Rhodes. And again, re-read what I said. I said starting lineups. I'm not talking about playing time. If Russell isn't starting one of the preseason games I'm not going to make a big deal. You were talking about how people would make a big deal if McFadden started over Fargas in one of the preseason games. So before you go calling me a gypsy get it right LOL.
I don't see any chance of unleashing anything in preseason. I think they are going to take it easy so they can take the Broncos off guard and starting the with a win. I kinda think its good that Kiffin babysits in preseason. I don't want to see anything happen to any of our starters before the season starts. I don't see how Al could fire the guy if he starts winning games, but then again Al always has its own agenda. I also read somewhere that Cable could be headed to Seattle after this season to coach for Jim Mora. I hope thats not true and that Davis does something to keep him.
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i don't know what you thinik i think fargas is, but i think he is what he is...i think he is a decent thousand yard back...i bet you never thought he would have gotten that amount of yards either....i'll take my word over yours because you were the one who was wrong...i was right....it makes no sense to listen to you in this matter..i never had to say "i was wrong" in this debate.
as far your concenred, he would have gotten cut before last season started.
that is the true reason why i defend him...because a lot of people think they are clearly right when it comes to him, but they wind up being wrong....then they still say thingzs about him like they are right,...it's like they just don't get it....don't sleep on him though....i'll leave it at that....the guy has heart and you can't measure that no matter how much you think you can analyze a player.
when i think i of a debate being right i think of your boy stu...how you and i, rame and stew debated for months on in and then the guy gets released....from 2 teams only months later, lol....like it or love it, it's the truth...whats even more sweeter is it's a team that he replaced shawn taylor and he couldn't do it, lol....the two we debated about that got heated at one point....
that is one of our sweeter victories on this site....but he can't cover and ultimately it will kill his career....he is with new york now, he better get it together.
 nah babysitting ain't good when your job is obviously on da line....he has russ passing these ol' short [bleep] passes that he doesn't excel in...i don't like this at all...he passes long in college....they need to let him open it up....he is too conservative....that will be kiff's demise...especially if we don't win...i like him, but i don't like the babysitting....
this aint college maun...oakland is a losing team, there shouldn't be anything to hide....if you are good at what you do, no one will be able to stop you anyway....other teams are unleashing their young qb's, we need to do the same thing....kiff needs to get out of the college mentality and get into the nfl...
russ had de most powerful arm in the nfl...USE IT....for crying out loud....if al fires him because of this reason, i won't get upset at him for it....kiff is coaching us like he will be here the next 5 years, he won't this is basically his last year....as a coach you need to unleash the fury....the offense is too cluttered and our passing sucks...
if it sucks now then it will suck in the regular season.
i have seen nothing from this team in the last 5 years to say different...peace gypsy
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Your problem man, is that you want way to much props for Fargas getting 1,000 yards. Personally I don't care who it is, as long as were moving the ball. Rather than saying who is wrong or right about him, cause lets not forget that your the one who said he was a HR hitter, why cant we both just agree that he is a capable back when healthy.
Again. You want to much credit for liking this guy before he became anything. You liked Courtney Anderson too remember? I'm not going to sleep on Justin again, this will be the last time I give you props for being right on him cause its getting old and tired. Because I was wrong about a player I can't take it back and think that he is good?
The whole problem with the ST and Stu debate was that you guys took it somewhere that I didn't even go. It turned from my point, being that Stu had just as many tackles as ST, to you guys thinking that I was saying that Stu was better than ST. You guys blew that debate up into something ridiculous and still to this day think that I was debating that Stu was better than ST and thats just absurd. And I honestly don't care about Stu anymore, I wish him well but I could care less where he ends up. The thing is, if he goes to another team and sucks I will hear about it and I expect to, if he goes somewhere and plays well... no one will say shiot so there is no point in even talking about it.
I think he is playing it well. You don't show all your cards in preseason. If Russell doesn't excel on the short passes wouldn't you want him to work on them now? It wouldn't make sense to practice something your already pretty good at. Our offense is a lot of short passes and if he sucks at them he isn't going to be good this year. He will play the first half today so we will see what he has.
Dude if our passing is good in the preseason its not going to translate into something good in the regular season. Our offense is based on roll outs and short to mid range passes. I don't expect them to take a whole lot of shots, but I do expect to see some tonight.
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hell yeah i said i thnk he is a homerun hitter, i am not like you to say something and then say i never said it, lol.
right now neither back (all of them) have showed any homerun hitting shiot so far so we all need to shut up.
uhhh, dawg, i have never liked courtney anderson...you are thinking of rame....don't believe me, ask rame....or ask your brother, he remembers those heated debates back then with me and rame.
i hated courtney...i foresaw him sucking when no one else did...he got released too, lol.
you would be suprised at how many people i was right about on this site...there are lots....i liked fargas because i knew father, plsu i liked his potential...sometimes you have to just pray that one of your facvs get the chance and they show up...he did.
end of story...don't try to get the last word in...i won't let you....if you let it go right now without responding to any of fargas wording, i will won't say anything in my next post....
maun f__k stu....he can't keep a job right now....he is no longer worth speaking about.....i am through with him.
umm, what do you think of kiff pretty much ripping al eveyr chance he gets, lol?...the stories are out about it niow....he reminds me of gru,....lol...i love it...al needs to be ripped.
what do you think of walker?....boy does he look bad, lol...
our o-line played like shiot when they were trying to run...first team by the way.....
mmkay, now you have subjects to talk about...so you can leave fargas out of it....waaaay out of it...you want to shut me up about it?....don't speak of justin...that way i won't say anything when i come back in da morn...peace
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hell yeah i said i thnk he is a homerun hitter, i am not like you to say something and then say i never said it, lol.
Thats because I never SAID IT!! Ha Ha. I'm not getting into that again. I didn't expect to see much out of the running game. We already know that Fargas can run the ball and we know that Bush and McFadden can run the ball, the real test is to see that our WRs can catch and run routes, and that Russell can hit them and properly hit his check downs.
No I was thinking Teyo Johnson sorry. Ha ha.
I love that Kiffin is fighting Al. I like the fire and the will to win. Like I said in another post, I like the fact that Kiffin is trying to get the best team he can and doesn't want to settle. He is coaching to win not just for a pay check. It will be interesting to see how this year unfolds. I would think that Al would listen to him cause he has brought the smash mouth football back to Oakland minus the passing attack, yet he hasn't be given a chance to really do much of a passing attack when all you draft are track stars and guys that have problems.
My thoughts on Walker are mixed. I hate that we gave him all that money and I think that he looks horrible compared to what he was supposed to do when he got here (or thats why we brought him in here). He still looks rusty as hell, but he looks to be improving. I'm sure Kiffin would have liked to have him retire so that he could get someone to replace him and save all that money to get a return man. Part of me thinks that Walker can turn it around once the season starts, but thats just wishful thinking. I think that if/when he makes the opening day roster he will have good games and then he will have games when he disappears much like Moss did. I really feel though that if he can change his attitude, he could do some damage for us, and if he doesn't he will do some damage to us.
Our OL was playing against a great DL. I am actually pretty pleased at how they held up. The other thing too to remember is that we will be running different plays and were going to be wearing down the DL because if I remember right the starting DL wasn't in as long as our OL. I will be more interested in seeing how the guys play when we have the starters in and different plays are called and different packages are in play.
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ok maun, you never once said mcfad was a homerun hitter...it's actually on the site and people saw you say it, but you never said it.....never not once did you agree with stew when he said mcfad was a homerun hitter...ok maun...whatever...i'll drop it...if we are gonna get into lies i don't wanna be a part of it....not my style and it's not worth it.
No I was thinking Teyo Johnson sorry. Ha ha.
yeah because i take no pride in anderson...i hated him...i was wrong about teyo...i will say it time and time again and won't get mad if anyone badgers me about it...i was wrong...i was wrong...i was wrong...and i will keep saying it....he is about the only one, and lamont, but he wasn't a favorite of mine, i just thought he got a bad rep because our line wasn't good...but i called out a lot of players who no one really liked and they turned out pretty decent...in order for me to start liking you when no one else likes them i have to see a part in your game that pleases me...then i will defend you...make myself look stupid in the process but if that player makes me look good as time goes on i can say a big f__k you to each and everyone who ripped me...i dont forget who rips me....and yeah i base players i like off of potential but that is what you are supposed to do anyway....we got mcfad on the homerun hitting potential he supposedly has...
i am not the conformist type and i don't like supporting players who everyone else supports...for i live in the future and i am not like any of you human beings...seriously though i feel out of place when i am supporting who everyone else supports...i'm kinda like al davis, i do my own thing and believe in who i believe in....like him picking out his coaches, they are usually headscratchers to most people....that is why he brags about guys like madden and flores, no one would have hired them at first but he did...he brags abouit gru too from time to time....but they made him look good and he is supposed to do that and i do it as well...
i get ridiculed for liking my players but well...i am used to criticism...but you will never see me stop supporting them....that my brotha will never happen.
now you know the full truth as to why i support who i support...so why you guys are supporting mcfad who everyone likes i will try to find a gem on the team who hasn't hasn't had all the camera time...but that is how i am.
if i liked who everyone likes there would be no need to debate....that is part one, its getting too long...peace
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