ok....so we have a highway patrol plane flying overhead...apd, oakley pd, walnut creek pd, highway patrol, sheriff, lafayette pd, orinda pd, etc......................this bad guy is robbing in the city of orinda. my question is if the bad guy was robbing in antioch, pittsburg, oakley, brentwood would the whole county's police force been here----I DO NOT THINK SO!
Anytime you have a subject that is ARMED & DANGEROUS, and is known to wear BODY ARMOR you are going to get a large response. When you ask for K9 units durring the day they come from all over since most places usually only have dogs on night shifts, that is why you see all the different departments not because of where he has been doing his burglaries.
Since I was listening to it at work, and heard them say that he is know to carry firearms and wears body armor. I am going to trust what cops I know said as opposed to what the paper prints or puts on the web.
this may help, crimes committed in laf,orinda that would include those agencies and to get from there to here you would have to travel the hwy so that includes CHP then W.C. ,then they have to travel thru bay point so that would be the sheriffs dept. and the surrounding perimeters for a dragnet would be W.C. and Oakley at the other ends,hey where was martinez. the other poster had the guys name right and they were checking a home on evergreen clearing a home and there was a woman caller that was locked in a closet in a hallway that i heard of on the scanner by the time i got word i assume she called PD because of an intruder i dont know if they caught him or not. hey i wonder if they ever caught the dude that robbed the 7-11 with a shotgun? what happened to our little town?
To help clear up any conflusion here, this started when 2 Laffayette units a Sgt, and a Detective attempted to contact and arrest the subject and he ran on them. It was not a chase that started in central county, and ended up in Antioch. They were looking for him there. Most of the other units responded after the fact to assist in searching the neighborhood for him. K9 units were called along with CHP air support. They know who they are looking for, and he is well known to east county law enforcement.
I think he probably heard them coming... They were not quiet in WC anyways. It was scary to me, it reminded me of 9/11 and hearing all of those sirens got my attention that it was something really bad.
Antioch has enough problems we sure don't need someone elses issues.
Ok so the school is not in the immediate area...I guess that means that there couldn't possibly be a child walking to or from school.
Have a nice day everyone ~ Smile ~ People will wonder what you are upto.
This criminal was hiding out in Antioch and they obviously knew where he was. So you would rather that they leave this THUG in Antioch and wait for him to commit more crimes before they go after him? I'm not understanding your logic here. Have a BEAUTIFUL day.Â
Hello CleanAntioch, I did not say that...I actually want him out of Antioch. I would just hate to hear that someone was hurt or killed, while the police were trying to corner apprehend a criminal.
One would have to ask would that be that way if this were something that originated in Antioch, and in one of these high profile areas.
According to the article he was going after high end things in Orinda. I don't think he would find those items in Antioch. Nothing against Antioch or citizens...Just being real.
How is it that you relate sirens in Walnut Creek to something that was happening in Antioch? I don't believe that Walnut Creek was involved unless they had a K9 on duty that they sent as mutual aid. I listened to the entire incident at work. No 11-99 call that would have involved everyone available in the county, just additional units for a search and perimeter. And no they did not get him still looking.
P5 not sure who you are responding to me or monkey but iam assuming that if the suspects were taking off from moraga area and a chase ensued that WC would have been alerted just in case they took 680 south just like where the persute<-- mispelled maybe ended and could have gone further that oakley was contacted just in case they went that far since they were coming in this direction in antioch. i think that they alert all agencies in surrounding areas .
I believe that the out of town police were here to make an arrest at a known hangout of the suspect. They didn't chase him from Orinda or Lafayette, there was no pursuit. When they pulled up the suspect ran out of the back door. That is when APD set up a perimeter and the helo was called in. That is why P5 says that tere was no need to involve WCPD.
I am relating what I watched from my window at work, there was over 15 police cars that traveled, on city streets of walnut creek, jumped on the freeway, at main/california area on ramp. all I know is there was a lot of them and they all had sirens going, I am on the second floor and was on a conf call and the people on the other end could hear the sirens. I never did say that there were walnut creek officers involved. I could not see the names on the cars. I do know they were not traveling all that fast some people in my office thought that it could not be that much of an emergency cuz they were going slow.
It really is not nescessary to be defensive... I was responding to a comment. Life is too short.Â
I have no reason to be defensive just curious as to how the two could be related is all? Didn't you suggest that the activity was possibly related, when you said that a "ton of police cars just jumped on the freeway. They went that direction on 680"?
Just a thought but they may have been Richmond PD cars escorting the body of officer Moody, to either the coroners office or the funeral home.
Day shift – The Orinda Police Department came into Antioch looking for a suspect in numerous residential burglaries in and around their city. The male suspect was wanted on an outstanding warrant. Orinda officers learned the suspect was at a residence in the 100 block of E. Madill Street, but he fled out the back of the residence before they were able to set up a perimeter. Antioch officers assisted in the search for the suspect, but he was never located.
uuuhhh nope that does not make sense these officers came from the walnut creek area not richmond this was at 11:15 or so. and seconds after I watched them get on the freeway. I got online and somebody had already started this thread. I only seen police cars no coroner car or funeral home car/wagon.
I at least will admit when I am wrong or at least be able to defend, or justify why I say something  instead of trying to throw an underhanded insult toward someone. But then again I don't make wag's just because of circumstances.
Maybe instead of trying to insult someone with 15 + years experience in law enforcement, and was actually listening to the events as they occured, you might want to actually pay attention you may learn something. Yeah I know what happened with this event because I pay attention to what is going on when people I know put themselves in harms way. Oh and just so you know I beleive they arrested this suspect this evening around 7:00.
Because I know what was going on with this incident, and did not assume, things from 20+ miles away. All I asked was how someone could make the connection, between hearing sirens in Walnut Creek and an attemt to arrest someone in Antioch.
I guess having my nose in the air is better than having my head burried in the sand, thinking that the world revolves around Antioch.
P5Ret is angry after being insulted. And you ain't helping. Go back to CoolMonkeys original comment and follow the progression. Give P5 a little credit, this is how he makes his living and he has access to info that Cool dosen't have. I won't question your knowledge or ability to perform your job after years of experience. I certainly couldn't do it. After acknowledging that, all we have are opinions .... which as you know, are like (bleeps) everyone got one.
if p5ret is angry over postings on a discussion board, he should not have a gun, be an police officer...or just use the off switch ones in a while...period. he rather should be in some anger mangement classes, like suggested, or get a facial (don't know if he needs one)
if he has "inside" info, because he is a cop (?), i wonder what his chief has to say that he is spredding the word.....lol.
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i have no reasons to "believe" his postings more or less than your postings, or any other post for that matter.
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a cashier at a retail store gets my respect, the same respect i give a police officer. but, i do not stop breathing because he claims to work 15 at a certain job.
I don't know who it is that thinks I am angry, but why should I get angry. I have been insulted and called names before so what, ain't no big thing. By the way I am retired have been for nearly 4 years due to an on the job injury. Any information I have is not confidential, I do not nor have I ever given anyone confidential information. I was not there but I was listening to a police radio at my current volunteer position that I refer to as work. If someone doesn't want to believe me and what I heard and know to be fact, so what. All I was interested in is how what seems to be 2 seperate incidents miles apart could be linked, with no information that supports a conclusion that they are.
I tend to agree with p5ret on this matter. I also was listening to the scanner at that time. There was no call for service from Walnut Creek that I heard. The Antioch PD knew who they were after. I have heard his name before on the scanner. I am amazed at how people can be so rude when they really aren't sure what was going on. I just hope now if they have him they keep him locked up for awhile.
You know I just went through and re-read all of the responses on this thread and I have to say that I think your attacks on me...P5 were misdirected/mis-guided. I only said that it was maybe the officers I heard & seen from "The Walnut Creek" area. There were other people that said that there was Lafayette and Orinda police in Antioch, I was not in Antioch I never did say which officers/departments were in Antioch. I did say that we do not need other cities issues in our area. I don't think there is anyone who would argue with that, just like we don't need any more crime in Antioch than we have in our city.Â
By the way there are not many options of getting from Lafayette, Orinda area to Antioch without going through Walnut Creek.
P5 I am not sure but I would have to wonder if maybe you have some anger management issues. Nothing against you but this is only a forum where people come to talk about things that are happening in their communities. Antioch is the community I live in, Walnut Creek is the community I spend about 8-12 hours in Monday through Friday in.
All I did was ask how the two could be related? Evidently you seem to think that I am full of it, when I stated that I listened to the incident unfold, and that it started with units attempting to arrest someone in Antioch, in connection to events in Lafayette Orinda area. Yes I did say that it was Lafayette not Orinda since I usually only listen to the East County radio channels I did not know that the 23 I and WÂ units were Orinda. If you feel that asking a question or presenting a possible explanation for what you saw and heard at your place of business is an attack, well then I apologize. I have never stated or implied that I know everything as you have suggested, but on this incident I did know what was going on. Orinda PD has been looking for this person in Antioch, Oakley and Brentwood for a week or so, they found him and he did not want to be arrested (few people do) so he ran and started all of the chaos that morning. Again if you feel attacked by what I asked or suggested I am sorry that was not my intent, my only goal was to provide accurate info since some people thought this to have started with a pursuit, of the suspect.
"I would have to wonder if maybe you have some anger management issues."
Cool Monkey, I've found that suggesting to somebody directly that they need Anger Management can oftentimes set them off in a rage. It's great for proving your point, but is it worth getting punched in the nose?
I like to use a more indirect approach, like putting your arm around them and saying, "Hey, you sound a little uptight, here's twenty bucks so why don't you take the rest of the afternoon off and go get yourself a relaxing facial? You look like you need it."
uuuhhh nope that does not make sense these officers came from the walnut creek area not richmond this was at 11:15 or so. and seconds after I watched them get on the freeway. I got online and somebody had already started this thread. I only seen police cars no coroner car or funeral home car/wagon.
I watched with plain old amazement and curiosity as your exchanges with P5Ret deteriorated on this thread over a simple remark. It appears to me that all it takes on this board, is a little disrespect, or the perception of disrespect and the dialog goes to hell. I got to advise you CoolMonkey - you are the one who lost your cool in this smackdown. All P5Ret said initially was that he was "curious" about the info you offered. Then you used a few inflammatory words like "defensive" and thus began the race to the bottom. I agree life is too short.
Posted on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 10:23 — by racingwidow8
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I am not sure but I work near walnut creek bart and a ton of police cars just jumped on the freeway. They went that direction on 680.
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This might explain...
http://www.contracostatimes.com/antioch/ci_10660026
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But did they catch the bad guy???????? All activity is gone now.......
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ok....so we have a highway patrol plane flying overhead...apd, oakley pd, walnut creek pd, highway patrol, sheriff, lafayette pd, orinda pd, etc......................this bad guy is robbing in the city of orinda. my question is if the bad guy was robbing in antioch, pittsburg, oakley, brentwood would the whole county's police force been here----I DO NOT THINK SO!
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Are you kidding that's all they would be doing. It is very scary, there is a school right there.
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You are mistaken. There is no school near Belshaw Street and Lone Tree Way. Belshaw Elementary is on Roosevelt Street.Â
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Kimball school is 3 blocks north of the area the police had blocked off. It is right behind Save Mart on 18th st.
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Anytime you have a subject that is ARMED & DANGEROUS, and is known to wear BODY ARMOR you are going to get a large response. When you ask for K9 units durring the day they come from all over since most places usually only have dogs on night shifts, that is why you see all the different departments not because of where he has been doing his burglaries.
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did not see anything stating bad guy was armed and dangerous...
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Since I was listening to it at work, and heard them say that he is know to carry firearms and wears body armor. I am going to trust what cops I know said as opposed to what the paper prints or puts on the web.
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this may help, crimes committed in laf,orinda that would include those agencies and to get from there to here you would have to travel the hwy so that includes CHP then W.C. ,then they have to travel thru bay point so that would be the sheriffs dept. and the surrounding perimeters for a dragnet would be W.C. and Oakley at the other ends,hey where was martinez. the other poster had the guys name right and they were checking a home on evergreen clearing a home and there was a woman caller that was locked in a closet in a hallway that i heard of on the scanner by the time i got word i assume she called PD because of an intruder i dont know if they caught him or not. hey i wonder if they ever caught the dude that robbed the 7-11 with a shotgun? what happened to our little town?
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To help clear up any conflusion here, this started when 2 Laffayette units a Sgt, and a Detective attempted to contact and arrest the subject and he ran on them. It was not a chase that started in central county, and ended up in Antioch. They were looking for him there. Most of the other units responded after the fact to assist in searching the neighborhood for him. K9 units were called along with CHP air support. They know who they are looking for, and he is well known to east county law enforcement.
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thanks for the insight p5ret i tried to give a scenario that might shed light on why so many agencies might have been involved.
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i always promote: we do not need more police officers, but give them the tools they need.
that's whats happens here. different agencies worked together to get a criminal of the streets, and thats all what counts don't you think?
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I think he probably heard them coming... They were not quiet in WC anyways. It was scary to me, it reminded me of 9/11 and hearing all of those sirens got my attention that it was something really bad.
Antioch has enough problems we sure don't need someone elses issues.
Ok so the school is not in the immediate area...I guess that means that there couldn't possibly be a child walking to or from school.
Have a nice day everyone ~ Smile ~ People will wonder what you are upto.
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This criminal was hiding out in Antioch and they obviously knew where he was. So you would rather that they leave this THUG in Antioch and wait for him to commit more crimes before they go after him? I'm not understanding your logic here. Have a BEAUTIFUL day.Â
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Hello CleanAntioch, I did not say that...I actually want him out of Antioch. I would just hate to hear that someone was hurt or killed, while the police were trying to corner apprehend a criminal.
One would have to ask would that be that way if this were something that originated in Antioch, and in one of these high profile areas.
According to the article he was going after high end things in Orinda. I don't think he would find those items in Antioch. Nothing against Antioch or citizens...Just being real.
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How is it that you relate sirens in Walnut Creek to something that was happening in Antioch? I don't believe that Walnut Creek was involved unless they had a K9 on duty that they sent as mutual aid. I listened to the entire incident at work. No 11-99 call that would have involved everyone available in the county, just additional units for a search and perimeter. And no they did not get him still looking.
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P5 not sure who you are responding to me or monkey but iam assuming that if the suspects were taking off from moraga area and a chase ensued that WC would have been alerted just in case they took 680 south just like where the persute<-- mispelled maybe ended and could have gone further that oakley was contacted just in case they went that far since they were coming in this direction in antioch. i think that they alert all agencies in surrounding areas .
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I believe that the out of town police were here to make an arrest at a known hangout of the suspect. They didn't chase him from Orinda or Lafayette, there was no pursuit. When they pulled up the suspect ran out of the back door. That is when APD set up a perimeter and the helo was called in. That is why P5 says that tere was no need to involve WCPD.
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I am relating what I watched from my window at work, there was over 15 police cars that traveled, on city streets of walnut creek, jumped on the freeway, at main/california area on ramp. all I know is there was a lot of them and they all had sirens going, I am on the second floor and was on a conf call and the people on the other end could hear the sirens. I never did say that there were walnut creek officers involved. I could not see the names on the cars. I do know they were not traveling all that fast some people in my office thought that it could not be that much of an emergency cuz they were going slow.
It really is not nescessary to be defensive... I was responding to a comment. Life is too short.Â
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I have no reason to be defensive just curious as to how the two could be related is all? Didn't you suggest that the activity was possibly related, when you said that a "ton of police cars just jumped on the freeway. They went that direction on 680"?
Just a thought but they may have been Richmond PD cars escorting the body of officer Moody, to either the coroners office or the funeral home.
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10/7/08:
Day shift – The Orinda Police Department came into Antioch looking for a suspect in numerous residential burglaries in and around their city. The male suspect was wanted on an outstanding warrant. Orinda officers learned the suspect was at a residence in the 100 block of E. Madill Street, but he fled out the back of the residence before they were able to set up a perimeter. Antioch officers assisted in the search for the suspect, but he was never located.
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Thanks for the info I can never remeber Moraga's and Lafayette's radio identifier numbers.
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uuuhhh nope that does not make sense these officers came from the walnut creek area not richmond this was at 11:15 or so. and seconds after I watched them get on the freeway. I got online and somebody had already started this thread. I only seen police cars no coroner car or funeral home car/wagon.
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Gee isn't John Muir in Walnut Creek? And isn't that the regional trauma center where he was taken after a severe injury. So yeah it makes sense.
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well I guess you would know...since you seem like you would anyways.
I guess its all together posible that the 2 incidents happened at the same time.
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I at least will admit when I am wrong or at least be able to defend, or justify why I say something  instead of trying to throw an underhanded insult toward someone. But then again I don't make wag's just because of circumstances.
Maybe instead of trying to insult someone with 15 + years experience in law enforcement, and was actually listening to the events as they occured, you might want to actually pay attention you may learn something. Yeah I know what happened with this event because I pay attention to what is going on when people I know put themselves in harms way. Oh and just so you know I beleive they arrested this suspect this evening around 7:00.
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you have your nose very high up in the air..my friend.
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Because I know what was going on with this incident, and did not assume, things from 20+ miles away. All I asked was how someone could make the connection, between hearing sirens in Walnut Creek and an attemt to arrest someone in Antioch.
I guess having my nose in the air is better than having my head burried in the sand, thinking that the world revolves around Antioch.
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I thought I was the only one who watching picking up on it.
Have a great day
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P5Ret is angry after being insulted. And you ain't helping. Go back to CoolMonkeys original comment and follow the progression. Give P5 a little credit, this is how he makes his living and he has access to info that Cool dosen't have. I won't question your knowledge or ability to perform your job after years of experience. I certainly couldn't do it. After acknowledging that, all we have are opinions .... which as you know, are like (bleeps) everyone got one.
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if p5ret is angry over postings on a discussion board, he should not have a gun, be an police officer...or just use the off switch ones in a while...period. he rather should be in some anger mangement classes, like suggested, or get a facial (don't know if he needs one)
if he has "inside" info, because he is a cop (?), i wonder what his chief has to say that he is spredding the word.....lol.
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i have no reasons to "believe" his postings more or less than your postings, or any other post for that matter.
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a cashier at a retail store gets my respect, the same respect i give a police officer. but, i do not stop breathing because he claims to work 15 at a certain job.
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I don't know who it is that thinks I am angry, but why should I get angry. I have been insulted and called names before so what, ain't no big thing. By the way I am retired have been for nearly 4 years due to an on the job injury. Any information I have is not confidential, I do not nor have I ever given anyone confidential information. I was not there but I was listening to a police radio at my current volunteer position that I refer to as work. If someone doesn't want to believe me and what I heard and know to be fact, so what. All I was interested in is how what seems to be 2 seperate incidents miles apart could be linked, with no information that supports a conclusion that they are.
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now i believe you.....and thanks for clarifying.
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I tend to agree with p5ret on this matter. I also was listening to the scanner at that time. There was no call for service from Walnut Creek that I heard. The Antioch PD knew who they were after. I have heard his name before on the scanner. I am amazed at how people can be so rude when they really aren't sure what was going on. I just hope now if they have him they keep him locked up for awhile.
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You know I just went through and re-read all of the responses on this thread and I have to say that I think your attacks on me...P5 were misdirected/mis-guided. I only said that it was maybe the officers I heard & seen from "The Walnut Creek" area. There were other people that said that there was Lafayette and Orinda police in Antioch, I was not in Antioch I never did say which officers/departments were in Antioch. I did say that we do not need other cities issues in our area. I don't think there is anyone who would argue with that, just like we don't need any more crime in Antioch than we have in our city.Â
By the way there are not many options of getting from Lafayette, Orinda area to Antioch without going through Walnut Creek.
P5 I am not sure but I would have to wonder if maybe you have some anger management issues. Nothing against you but this is only a forum where people come to talk about things that are happening in their communities. Antioch is the community I live in, Walnut Creek is the community I spend about 8-12 hours in Monday through Friday in.
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All I did was ask how the two could be related? Evidently you seem to think that I am full of it, when I stated that I listened to the incident unfold, and that it started with units attempting to arrest someone in Antioch, in connection to events in Lafayette Orinda area. Yes I did say that it was Lafayette not Orinda since I usually only listen to the East County radio channels I did not know that the 23 I and WÂ units were Orinda. If you feel that asking a question or presenting a possible explanation for what you saw and heard at your place of business is an attack, well then I apologize. I have never stated or implied that I know everything as you have suggested, but on this incident I did know what was going on. Orinda PD has been looking for this person in Antioch, Oakley and Brentwood for a week or so, they found him and he did not want to be arrested (few people do) so he ran and started all of the chaos that morning. Again if you feel attacked by what I asked or suggested I am sorry that was not my intent, my only goal was to provide accurate info since some people thought this to have started with a pursuit, of the suspect.
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"I would have to wonder if maybe you have some anger management issues."
Cool Monkey, I've found that suggesting to somebody directly that they need Anger Management can oftentimes set them off in a rage. It's great for proving your point, but is it worth getting punched in the nose?
I like to use a more indirect approach, like putting your arm around them and saying, "Hey, you sound a little uptight, here's twenty bucks so why don't you take the rest of the afternoon off and go get yourself a relaxing facial? You look like you need it."
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uuuhhh nope that does not make sense these officers came from the walnut creek area not richmond this was at 11:15 or so. and seconds after I watched them get on the freeway. I got online and somebody had already started this thread. I only seen police cars no coroner car or funeral home car/wagon.
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I watched with plain old amazement and curiosity as your exchanges with P5Ret deteriorated on this thread over a simple remark. It appears to me that all it takes on this board, is a little disrespect, or the perception of disrespect and the dialog goes to hell. I got to advise you CoolMonkey - you are the one who lost your cool in this smackdown. All P5Ret said initially was that he was "curious" about the info you offered. Then you used a few inflammatory words like "defensive" and thus began the race to the bottom. I agree life is too short.
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Moraga- 18
Orinda- 23 (I think)
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Thanks, Haven't quite figured out why they seemed to just radomly assinged id numbers around the county.
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16- Moraga
18- Lafayette
23- Orinda
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