What is the message of Obama's Church?


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This should get the blood pounding for a few Democrats, but apparently Obama's church, and it's outspoken pastor are racists. On it's website, the Trinity United Church of Christ (Obama's church) introduces itself as....-->-->--> We are a congregation which is unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian,”  “We are an African people and remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.” -->--> When the Aryan nation makes this same statement, with the color appropriately changed, it is racist statement--so why is this not a racist statement as well.-->--> This Church and it's pastor  are pledged to a  Black Value System includes such items as commitment to God, education, and self-discipline, it refers to “our racist competitive society” and includes the disavowal of the pursuit of “middle-classness” and a pledge of allegiance to “all black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System.” It defines “middle-classness” as a way for American society to “snare” blacks rather than “killing them off directly” or “placing them in concentration camps,” just as the country structures “an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.” from http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Church_Racism/2008/01/07/62285.html-->--> The pastor of this Church has praised and repeated the anti-semitic ravings of Louis Farrakan, including calling for the elimination of -->-->-->Israel-->-->. He also claims that the -->-->United States-->--> deserved to be attacked on 9-11 because we are a racist nation.-->--> Obama has been a member of this Church since 1988, and now is attempting to disavow the radical views of this Church, but has never stated that he has not taken the Church's pledge to Black Values. His distancing appears very fake and political considering the actual events.-->--> To quote the Article above-->--> Just before Obama’s nationally televised campaign kickoff rally last Feb. 10, the candidate disinvited Wright from giving the public invocation. Wright explained: “When [Obama’s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to -->-->Tripoli-->-->” to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, “a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.” -->--> According to Wright, Obama then told him, “'You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we’ve decided is that it’s best for you not to be out there in public.'” But privately, Obama and his family prayed with Wright just before the presidential announcement. -->--> So what is the message of Obama's Church--is it  racist and anti-semitic; and is Obama simply a slick politician hiding these views?-->-->  
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SJT1
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Sounds to me that Obama, his church and pastor have one thing in common with Jesse Jackasson and Al Not Too Sharp-ton......They are all fakes.  
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Is your point that some people should not support the election of someone that knows someone that travelled to some country to see someone, or with someone, they do not like and oppose? If everyone on earth is known by everyone else by way of up to a few intermediaries... Now, let´s see, WHAT does that mean? Are we all, therefore, somehow related to the entire human race?  English 101 and Logic 101: Is the opposite of Anti-Semitic, one that loves the world or one that only loves the Semitic people, you know, like the Semitic Israelis, Palestinians and Arabs.¨  I got it! You are saying "Guilty By Association"! Now, it makes sense. Yes, by all means, you and I must vote according to our bias and prejudices, like everybody, you know. But, should I vote for or against Obama? He IS from Chicago, you know how "they" are! MikeSar
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Is your point that some people should not support the election of someone that knows someone that travelled to some country to see someone, or with someone, they do not like and oppose? No, my point is that Obama belongs to a church that requires a loyalty oath that may impinge or impact the obligations he would have as President. The question is whether he is more loyal to promotion of Black interests or American interests. The two are not always the same.-->-->--> If everyone on earth is known by everyone else by way of up to a few intermediaries... Now, let´s see, WHAT does that mean? Are we all, therefore, somehow related to the entire human race? All of which is entirely irrelevant in this case, because the question is whether he took an oath that is prevalent in his Church.-->-->  I got it! You are saying "Guilty By Association"! Now, it makes sense. Yes, by all means, you and I must vote according to our bias and prejudices, like everybody, you know. But, should I vote for or against Obama? He IS from -->-->-->Chicago-->-->, you know how "they" are! He also belongs to a Church that requires an oath to support Black interests in “all things”. His minister and friend is a buddy and confidant of Louis Farakan. The degree to which his perspective is influenced by a racist -->-->Black--> -->Church-->--> and Racist Black leaders should be an issue.-->--> The closet analogy would be electing an officer of the JDL(Jewish Defense League, a very pro-Zionist group), or a member of the Aryan Nation? If Mitt Romney’s morman-ism is a legitimate issue, then why not Obama’s version of Christianity?-->-->
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That  we need to look at this again, and continiously until it sinks in the very thick liberal skulls that OBAMA is BAD for America
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A Purpose-Driven Debate? No one can blame Sen. John McCain for wanting to reach out to evangelicals. The latest poll from the Pew Forum shows the Arizona Senator lagging seven percentage points behind President Bush's support from this valuable constituency in 2004. Although 61 percent of white evangelicals still prefer McCain to Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), more of them are "undecided" (12 percent) compared to this point in the last two elections. Both candidates will attempt to shore up vital support from this community at a forum hosted by Rev. Rick Warren of California's Saddleback Church. On August 16, McCain and Obama will appear separately to discuss what Warren describes as "main areas of focus"-AIDS, poverty, human rights and the environment. While the Left would have us believe that this is the faith community's new agenda, a candid discussion of traditional values issues such as life, marriage, and religious freedom is what American voters need and deserve. Surely Rev. Warren won't ignore the most crucial initiative in his state (and perhaps the entire nation) as California determines the fate of marriage this November. Saddleback Church has the rare opportunity to crystallize the debate over abortion and homosexuality before FRC Action's Values Voter Summit in September. The candidates should be asked: 1. What is your position on man-woman marriage? 2. Where do you stand on partial-birth abortion and the killing of nearly-born babies? 3. Would you sign the Freedom of Choice Act into law? 4. How can the federal faith-based initiative survive without hiring protections for religious charities? (FRC) Additional ResourcesNYT: McCain and Obama Agree to Attend Megachurch Forum
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Obama Officially Opposes California Marriage Amendment (CRI) Senator Barack Obama officially opposed the California Marriage Protection Action, or Prop 8, in a recent letter to the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club in San Francisco. He wrote, "I am proud to join with and support the LGBT community in an effort to set our nation on a course that recognizes LGBT Americans with full equality under the law. That is why I support extending fully equal rights and benefits to same sex couples under both state and federal law." Among other policies, Sen. Obama said he would like to repeal the federal Defense of Marriage Act and the military "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. He wants to pass hate crimes laws and laws that prevent employment discrimination. In describing the importance that he places on such issues, Senator Obama said, "This is no less than a core issue about who we are as Democrats and as Americans." He closed with congratulations to recently married same-sex couples. There was no mention of protecting an equal right of Americans to respectfully disagree with homosexuality and other historically unacceptable lifestyles. The letter is available online, in its entirety, for interested citizens.

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