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Witnesses: Man killed in officer-involved shooting in Pittsburg


Posted on Tue, 06/03/2008 - 15:24 — by jbcrpr
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the suspect had stolen a car in pittsburg and was spotted on sycamore near spanos by an antioch police officer, he turned onto spanos where the officer attempted to stop the vehicle but the suspect rammed the officers patrol car disabling it, other officers then spotted the car travling west on century blvd then onto leland towards railroad. then into the neighborhood off of crestview where the suspect went in circles around the same streets a few times, the officers were given permission to ram the suspect if speeds ever dropped below 30, but didnt have a chance, cause spike strips were attempted to be deployed when the call for shots fired came across the radio, a short while later the call for a coroner was called in by an antioch officer. mean while brentwood police covered alot of antioch while the investigation was going on, so thanks you to all the brentwood officers for the help and also im glad no innocent people were hurt or killed by this moron. this was what i heard while listening to the scanner this afternoon.
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Tue, 06/03/2008 - 15:29 — The suspect rammed police
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The suspect rammed police cars. He crashed into numerous parked cars. He crashed into a house. He was a dangerous felon with a warrent. In Pittsburg after leading police several blocks he opened fire on the police and they returned fire. Okay, now where are all his friends saying he was a nice guy and the police are lying. LOL
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 15:44 — I'm sure there will be
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I'm sure there will be someone to speak for this person. Just give it some time.
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 15:47 — "Okay, now where are all his friends saying he was a nice guy"
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lol dont worry they will find their way on here at some point, with some lame excuse like the police caused all this or it was excessive force or some lame stuff. but i will beat em to it with a response before they can crawl out of the woodwork... to anyone who was friends or family with this lowlife he was reposible for the out come of this, he at any time could have pulled over or stopped. he didnt and in the process was shot and killed for his wreckless disreguard for the law and the lives of all the offices and innocent people that were or could have been impacted by his actions. its time to step up and take repsonsibility for your actions. if bad parenting played a role in his unlawful behavior then shame on his parents and family. if you knew he was going to do something like this and did nothing to stop it then you are just as guilty. he had prior conviction for auto theft which he was on parole for so he was no saint by any sense of the word. so dont try to pass blame on the police...
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 05:32 — Where do you get your information?
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I agree you live by the sword you die by the sword..........but where did you get the infomation that he was a felon with warrents? I have not read that any where? Has that been confirmed? Witness accounts say he did not have a weapon and was out of the car when he was shot by Antioch PD. There was no shots fired from him according to witness.....where is your information coming from?
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 07:18 — No, he did not have a gun
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No, he did not have a gun but he was ramming his car into the police officer's cars. He had not stepped out of the car and surrendered. If that were the case, they would have no reason to shoot him. So, if you're using your car to ram at the police, that would be considered lethal force, which will be met with lethal force. Just because he didn't have a gun doesn't mean the police were not justified in what they did. A vehicle can be a very deadly weapon.
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 08:08 — I used to think...
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that it was crazy that they could consider hitting someone while holding an eating spoon assault with a deadly weapon. Yesterday I heard that they can also charge you with assault with a deadly weapon if you spit on someone. If something like your spit can be considered a deadly weapon, then to call a car a deadly weapon should be a no-brainer. Most people don't take that into consideration, and look only at the fact that the suspect wasn't brandishing a hand held weapon. They want to call it excessive force, well the suspect was using excessive force when he rammed police vehicles. His weapon at that point was the car. I don't know if using deadly force to subdue the suspect was warranted, not enough detail on the actual ending events was provided in the article, but I'm guessing that if the suspect was desperate enough to ram police vehicles, he had no intention of going to jail willingly. That makes him very dangerous at that point.
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 15:44 — sassysoulsista
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"He got out of prison and absconded," Addington said. "He had an extensive criminal history, including resisting arrest, felonious evading in a vehicle and assault on a police officer." And for those wondering about spike strips being used. Yes the police did use them and he evaded them each time by turning onto different streets. All my info came from a scanner as I listened from Antioch to Pittsburg.
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 17:15 — Can you say...buh bye...
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Thank goodness no one was critically hurt in this episode of stupidness!! No sympathy here...Once a criminal, sometimes...ALWAYS A CRIMINAL!!
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 17:53 — kudos to all officers involved
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If someone in my family is stupid enough to pull something like this and then shoot at police officers, I can't help them.
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 19:57 — listened to the whole thing on radio...
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It all began with the theft of a car from the pizza delivery man in Pittsburg earlier today. . Then the PPD put out a 666 looking for the car a white Toyota and the thief. Apparently APD found him and chased him down Century Blvd into Ptown (my co worker witnessed this part of the chase; she said the car was dragging something under it). The chase went on for several minutes in the area of the shooting. The thief was literally leading the APD and PPD on a wild goose chase around and around several blocks in the vicinity of Leland, Burton, Crestview, Frontage Rd etc. over and over again. At one point the driver hit a fence then made a gesture at a PPD and soon after it wrecked at Crestview and Leland. It was really scary to listen to when the PPD started to yell into the radio "Shots fired! Shots fired! Code 3 AMR for APD! I was so afraid an officer had been hit. Eventually we heard the call for the coronor and prayed it wasn't an officer or a bystander. Looks like this was a crime spree that ended at least with the bad guy being the one with the tragic ending.
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 05:37 — Had it been an hour later
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Los Medanos Elementary would have been out and countless kids would have been caught up with this fool and his foolishness! I am concerned about the potential danger that could have happen? Why didn't the corner him off n set the spikes down earlier? How can you have a high speed chase from Antioch to Pittsburg? It will be interesting to read the final report.
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 07:15 — What do you mean, why didn't
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What do you mean, why didn't they corner him off and set spikes down earlier??? You make it sound like that's an easy thing to do. With the variety of streets a criminal can turn down, it's not so simple to just corner them or lay out spike strips. You never know which way the suspect is going to turn. Try watching channel 65 for a couple nights, and check out "Wildest Police Chases" if you can. Yeah, yeah, I know it's a TV show but it's real events caught on police cameras. You'll probably see that it's not as easy as you think it is to stop someone barrelling through town in a one ton lethal weapon. Thank God no children or anyone else were hurt during this chase, but give the cops some credit. They have a hard job to do and face danger on an almost daily basis.
Tue, 06/03/2008 - 20:08 — You guys are great! you have
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You guys are great! you have better info than the article. Thanks!
Tue, 06/10/2008 - 02:16 — articles don't always give
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articles don't always give the correct information.  
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 10:28 — What ever happened to the
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What ever happened to the cops saying "STOP OR I'LL SHOOT"? They put up with so much excreta, and are forced to put everyone elses lives in danger. Hell, tell the stop or I'll shoot and if they don't stop, shoot em in the A@#
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:07 — ok
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You have been watching too many movies and TV. Trust me on this one when someone is threatening your life or someone elses the last thing you think about is saying something like "stop" to them. Your first and only thought is how do I end this threat, and it isn't going to be accomplished by shooting someone in the a**. Until we hear from actual witnesses (who saw the incident), and or the police I would not put too much stock into anything more that the fact that there was a pursuit at least one collision and a shooting.
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 10:30 — Another crazy day
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I am a resident of Pittsburg and I hear and see so much of this chaos going on everyday. Sirens are non stop in my neighborhood, and I am tired of it!! I blame the parents in part for their kids' behavior. If you guide you kids and show them right from wrong from the beginning, we may not see so much of this mess. I have two small boys and my husband and I believe that if our kids fail then we fail as parents. If my kids ever got involved with this type of behavior that includes complete disregard for authority and innocent lives, I will be the first to turn their behinds into law enforcement. We as a community need to do the right thing, if we see something report it and maybe little by little our communities will belong to our families and maybe just maybe we can start allowing our kids to play in their front yards again.
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 12:05 — Don't be quick to judge
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Its great to know that if your kids ever got involved in this type of mess that you would agree with the person saying the same thing your saying " I blame the parents" You know its people like you that make single parents and hard working parents pissed off. They do the best that they can, and its always a person pointing the finger saying what they would and wouldn't do... I to am from Pittsburg, this could have clearly happened in any area..You can live in the best neighborhoods and raise your child/children to the best of your ablity..In a 2 Parent home or whatever. The bottem line is parenting plays apart yes..But if your raising your child/children the best way you can..You can't blame that on yourself or anyone else's parenting..Once They're adult's your part is done, and even at a certain age children begin to rebel..Pray for our youth, pray for our parents and communities..Stop judging..Be apart of the soluation not the problem...
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:40 — It's too bad what happen to
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It's too bad what happen to this young man, but i bet when he woke up yesterday morning and got on with his day, stole a car, lead the police on a highspeed chase and endangered innocent people lives he didn't think at the end of the day it was going to be the end of his days. It just goes to show that these youngsters do not have or should i say do not use their common sense. It was totally his own fault what happened to him. He was a young adult that chose to be defiant and was disciplined fatally.
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:46 — It's too bad what happen to.....
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Amen to that one B.B.!!
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 12:13 — So Pittsburg PD kills one in
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So Pittsburg PD kills one in Antioch..and now Antioch PD kills one in Pittsburg..jus helping a brother out.
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 12:23 — I totally agree with you B.
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I totally agree with you B. B. So why does he deserve an online condolence guest book.?
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 14:46 — Thats what i said
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About the guest book, from what Ive read on other forums throughout the bay area this young man did have people who knew him and it sounds like he just went off the deep end after serving time. we cant blsme parents all the time I raised 3 and each one had a different path, no law breakers but each one has a different outlook etc. so lets say he is a troubled souland now is at peace and thank all he didnt hurt anyone else.
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 15:13 — What about the Pizza dude he
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What about the Pizza dude he stole the car from?
Thu, 06/05/2008 - 18:58 — I was trying to do a victim count...
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The pizza guy may be out of a job if he can't deliver without a car, Los Medanos Elementary was on lock down so the teachers and staff and students had to live with not knowing what the serious threat was.  The parents of the children couldn't get to their kids in lock down.  The police officer's who were continually threatened by this guy in the 2 ton car; the people who lived in the crime scene area who couldn't get home or leave home because of the investigation; the people who had property damage from the chase and the trauma for those who may have witnessed his death.  Having heard it as it was happening on the scanner it was very scary for me and I was a few miles away.
Wed, 06/04/2008 - 15:48 — Just watch
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His family will soon file a lawsuit and sue everyone in site for his death. And they know it will be a worthless lawsuit. It's all about what they can get from a settlement. Basically blood money for their relative who is a criminal. What else would they have gotten from him? The only good thing about this is that he can't hurt anyone else.
Thu, 06/05/2008 - 14:49 —  The reality is this guy
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 The reality is this guy had stolen cars before, so he knew the drill. He elected to do so again. He trashed the delivery guy's car, so that guy lost his car and he is a victim. The guy that stole the car,  knew that if you run, they will follow. He choose to run and was acting dangerous. He used his car to disable a police officers car. That alone is felony assault. He was on lawns, and cross walks, that is public endangerment. That car is a weapon in itself. He choose to act aggressively. It is a form of suicide really. My guess is he didn't want to return to prison, so elected to go out with a bang. He got his wish. Good riddance.
Thu, 06/05/2008 - 15:37 — Well said Florida, well
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Well said Florida, well said!!
Fri, 06/06/2008 - 22:35 — Man killed in officer involved shooting
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I passed by the scene of this officer involved shooting and noticed that a make-shift memorial was erected to remember the dead criminal.  The memorial reminded me of the news reports the night of the killing, where many people gathered at the scene blamed the police for shotting this "unarmed" man.  I find the notion of blaming the police to be ironic, yet not altogether unexpected.  To me, the man's death was the logical and predictable end to his violent acts.  Did the police force him to steal this car from an unsuspecting pizza delivery man?  Was it the police that forced him to make the choice to run when they tried to pull over the vehicle?  Did the police make the criminal wreck several parked cars, drive recklessly through a residential area, drive accross the sidewalk and the front yards of homes?  Did the police request that he ram several of their cars? Nope.  The police simply put an end to his rampage.  They did us all a favor in stopping this animal.  Nobody goes to work expecting to take another person's life.  I am sorry for the officers involved who had to shoot this man as if he were a rabid dog.
Thu, 06/12/2008 - 09:21 — Man Killed
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Edward, well said.  
Thu, 06/12/2008 - 13:47 — KILLING!
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1ST OF ALL YOU CAN NOT BLAME THE PARENT'S EVEN THO WE TRY TO TEACH  OUR CHILDREN RIGHT FROM WRONG,ONCE THEY WALK OUT THAT DOOR,WE DONT KNOW WHAT THEY WILL DO.I TOO WILL SAY IM GLAD NO ONE ELSE WAS HURT OR INJURED, HE HAD NO GUN! I CAN THINK OF SO MANY CRIMALS THAT SHOULD OF BEEN KILLED INSTEAD OF JR. YES HE DOES HAVE A NAME NO IM NOT SAYING STEALING CARS IS OK ITS NOT!SEEMS YOU ALL ARE GETTING OFF ON THIS SHOTTING,LIKE HIM BEEING SHOT IN THE HEAD TWICE AND OTHER PLACE'S COME ON NOW AND  YOU SAY IF IT WAS YOU KIN  OH WELL? YEA RIGHT.SO YOU THINK THE LAW IS DOING THE RIGHT JOB HUH TRYING LOOKING ONLINE SEE WHERE THE CHILD MOLESTER'S ARE AND HOW THE LAW ENFORCE'S THAT 1,SOME ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS AND WAY TO CLOSE TO SCHOOLS.1 MORE THING BY THE WAY HIS MOTHER HAS BEEN DEAD NOW FOR PROB A FEW YRS,SO DONT GO BLAMING HER I'M SURE SHE TRIED TO DO THE BEST SHE COULD AT THE TIME WHEN SHE WAS ALIVE! I HAVE SEEN MANY OF YOU FORUM'S AND GIVE MOST OF YOU ALOT OF RESPECT BUT THIS HERE JUST MAKES ME SICK!
Thu, 06/12/2008 - 16:16 — I guess the next time
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I guess the next time someone steals a car and drives like an insane man out of control and the police just let him go, then he drives over one of your kids and KILLS them, you would be OK with it. Get real MSVIE..he killed himself! He made the decision to steal that car! He made the decision not to pull over and go back to jail! He choose to use that vehicle as a deadly weapon!! He choose his destiny!! All the police did was protect innocent bystanders. I'm sorry for the friends and family, but maybe since he was freshly out of jail they could have been there when he was weak. Obviously no one really cared until he was dead!! Now that makes me sick!
Thu, 06/12/2008 - 17:56 — life4u
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You are exactly right!!!  He chose this for himself and to his friends and loved ones who can't see this, they do a disservice to the memories they have of him.  Acknowledge his faults and mistakes and let him rest in peace and thank God he didn't take anyone with on that fateful day.
Thu, 06/12/2008 - 17:59 — Sounds like an emotional and
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Sounds like an emotional and biased rant to me- but you have to get one thing straight. If you think our justice system has the room or the money to keep track of and institutionalize ALL child molestors, you're grossly mistaken. The reason why they are where they are is because for now, that's the best we can do. It's called "diversion". It's a lot harder to relocate people than you think. And guess what? Our taxes pay for it all.
Thu, 06/12/2008 - 21:32 — KILLING!
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OMG NO REALLY OUR TAXES PAY? WOW THXS FOR THAT INFO! YOU KNOW THERE IS SO MUCH CRIME,MURDERS,ECT... HERE CLOSE TO US IT JUST MAKE ME SICK TO SEE U ALL GLOATING ABOUT JR.GETTING SHOT TO DEATH.I KNOW WHAT HE DID WASN'T RIGHT AND HE PROBABLY KNEW THAT TOO, ITS SAD THAT IT DID HAPPEN AND IT COST HIS LIFE,BUT JUST AS YOU ALL  SPEAK YOUR MIND I DO TOO.OH YEA  I COULD  GO ON WITH MANY ISSUES BUT SEEMS YOUR NOT WORTH MY TIME OF DAY! MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOUR FAMILIY SAFE,HOPEFULLY THEY ARE NOT GUNNED DOWN IF ANYTHING SHOULD EVER HAPPEN AND IT DOES!
Thu, 06/12/2008 - 21:54 — I don't believe anyone is
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I don't believe anyone is gloating..but when you see this ignorant behaviour everyday..and people are getting killed by people like Jr. You can't blame people for seeing the bad guy getting killed instead of the innocent one's. That is the plain truth. You know deep inside that you know someone that had a life that was going somewhere and it was suddenly stopped by someone doing something as Stupid as Jr. did..While you are grieving..so is everyone else that feels there love one's were saved by the loss of Jr.
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 06:17 — I DONT BELIEVE
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YOU KNOW (LIFE)THERE IS ALOT OF COMMENT'S THAT I DO AGREE WITH ABOUT ALL THAT HAS HAPPEN THIS PASS WEEK SO NO I'M NOT LOOKING TO FUED WITH ANY OF YOU. YOU THAT I DO KNOW WHAT HAPPEN HE DID TO HIMSELF I DO,I JUST FIND THIS WHOLE THING SAD AS IT MAYBE AND I WILL TELL YOU YES I DO THINK AND ITS JUST MY OPNION THAT THE ANTICOH WERE JUST  LITTLE GUN CRAZY,DO I! I  WAS  THERE AT THE SCENE AND YOU COULD SEE THEM TALKING AND LAUGHING,ITS A SHAME REALLY  I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE TO SEE THIS AS THERE WERE ALOT OF PEOPLE OUT AND SAW THE SAME THING,SO I THINK SEEING THAT DIDN'T ONLY PISS ME OFF BUT OTHERS I'M SURE.life4u , SOMETHING I DIDN'T SAY OR TELL  YOU ALL I KNOW THE DANDGERS THAT POLICE ARE IN AND THEY  DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.MY YOUNGEST S A OFFICER OF THE LAW IN BOSTON SO DON'T THINK FOR 1 SEC THAT I DON'T KNOW THE DANGERS OF THERE EVERYDAY DUTIES.NOT IS IT ONLY  VERY HARD READING AND KNOWING WHATS GOING ON HERE I DO HAVE MY (BABY) UP IN BOSTON DOING WHAT SHE'S DOING AND,IT'S NOT EASY I WILL SAY THAT.I DONT WANT YOU ALL TO THINK THAT I DONT KNOW WHAT JR. DID WASN'T WRONG I KNOW IT WAS.SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND HOPE THAT US AS ADULTS CAN NOT TAKE IT SO PERSONAL EVEN MYSELF AS I KNOW WE ALL SAY THINGS AT TIMES OUT OF ANGER AND FUSTRATION,SO LETS JUST CALL IT  PEACE.THXS MSVIE
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 07:34 — God with all those run-on
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God with all those run-on sentences and the way you type in ALL CAPS (which is not good "nettiquette" btw....) it was truly painful to read your post. Responding to your post about me telling you it is the taxes that pay for the child molestors getting help and being relocated- I simply said that because you don't seem to really GET how things work. You're one of those who bit*h and bit*h about how things are, yet you don't really think about the repercussions to all of us if things were to go your way. So yah, that might've been an obvious statement, but I was only responding to an obviously not very well-though-out statement made by you. Also, forgive us all for not really being broken up about this dude dying, I can tell you I personally don't give a shi*. He meant nothing to me and when I see the facts of what he did to get shot, I really have no argument about it! The police did a good job, plain and simple. Too bad "Jr" was dumb enough and selfish enough to cause his family so much disappointment and pain. So you see it really all boils down to HIM, not the police. Fact is, it's just one more dude I won't have to pay for sittin in jail the rest of his life with my taxes and my children's tax money.
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 09:25 — KAWIQURL!
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1ST OFF YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME AND SO FU&KING WHAT I DONT HAVE TO JUSTIFY TO YOU WHY I TYPE IN CAPS!MAYBE YOU NEED TO THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE DO HAVE PERSONAL HEALTH ISSUES SO CALL ME A [bleep],IT WONT BE THE 1ST TIME OR LAST JUST SHOW'S WHAT KIND OF CLASS YOU ARE,TRASH IN MY BOOK,BUT YOU KNOW WHAT COW OH EXCUSE ME KAW,SEEMS YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT CALLING NAMES IF YOU DON'T KNOW MY HEALTH ISSUES WHICH I DONT NEED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU! BY THE WAY LOOK IN THE MIRROR COW OH EXCUSE ME THERE AGAIN KAW!GET REAL AS FAR AS IM CONCERENED I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY TO YOU,SO GO RIGHT AHEAD AND BE IGNORANT AND SAY WHAT U WANT,NAME CALLING DOESN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE,BUT IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD THAN YOU GO FOR IT !
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 14:43 — I actually didn't call you
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I actually didn't call you any names. Your only defense seems to be that I'm a name caller but then you proceed to call me "COW"-- Can you read? Seems like you can't... you definitely can't make sentences... but you're probably just one of the many who boast only a drop-out high school education... so I'll forgive ya. So here's a little extra schooling (which you need)- my screen name Kawi- well, it stands for the kind of motorcycle I ride.... K-A-W-A-S-A-K-I (Japanese). Kawi is a "term of endearment" used when describing a Kawasaki MC by a rider... But someone of your class wouldn't know much about that or even have the intelligence to look deeper into it... :) You live in Antioch? Are you section 8? Are you someone's baby mama? That's what I gather. ;-)
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 08:02 — MSVIE,   I honestly don’t
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MSVIE,   I honestly don’t feel that anyone had been gloating, nor gleaming with joy that this young man chose to end his life.  It is certainly understood that he does have family and friends who miss him.  I knew this young man’s family and have known them for almost 15 years, not close to them, just knew them.  He made a choice and his choice came with a consequence.  Unfortunately for him that consequence was death.  I know it may be hard for citizens to accept, but the officers are trained to protect not only themselves but also the innocent bystanders.  This young man was on a rampage.  He had already rammed an Antioch Police Officer so hard that it totally disabled his vehicle.  Were they supposed to wait until he hurt someone else?  He was driving erratically on lawns and destroying property.  They had no choice but to shoot him, he put their lives in jeopardy.  No, he did not have a gun, but his weapon of choice was a Ton of Steel on wheels.  This poses just as much of a threat as a loaded gun.    My heart goes out to this misguided young man, but I do have to agree with life4u he was definitely weak and he needed his family and friends to be there for him.  But maybe they were there for him and he just did not want the help.  I just pray that this young man found peace, because he obvious did not have it here on earth.
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 08:51 — Amen to that!
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Well said BJ....
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 11:05 — MSVIE
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I hope you find comfort in BJ's words and others here.  Our words weren't meant to be harsh or cruel but the reality of the situation is a harsh and cruel one.  I'm sure your anger wasn't directed at some of us but instead at Jr. for being so careless with his life.  Why didn't he accept the help that was offered or ask for help that he needed.  It's all for not now.  I pray that you and all who loved Jr. let the saddness and regret go and find peace and love in your hearts when you think of him.   
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 14:28 — KAW
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UMMM KAW PLEASE READ BACK YOUR FORUM POST YOU DID CALL ME A B! SO MAYBE I'M NOT THE ONLY WITH EYE PROBLEMS BUT HEY LIKE I SAID CALL ME WHAT U WANT NOT THE 1ST OR LAST TIME I'M SURE! I HAVE NOTHNG MORE TO SAY TO YOU OTHER THAN FACE UP TO WHAT U DID CALL ME! FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 14:45 — Oh how I tire of explaining
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Oh how I tire of explaining things to dim people.... "You're one of those who bit*h and bit*h" It's not calling you a B*TCH, it's a phrase commonly used among English speakers used to describe WHINING. WHINING. NOT CALLING YOU A B*ITCH. Get it now?? I actually don't even think of you as a b*tch at all. You seem like a very caring person. However you don't take care writing your posts and can't seem to get a grip on any situation or make sense out of anything. 
Sat, 06/14/2008 - 10:35 — Mixed emotions
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The day this happened I was with my sisters. We went to our brother house. My youngest sister was on her way to pick up her son...That was 6min. before she called me telling me about the high speed.. Making me aware that when I go to pick up my children from school (LME) to be careful because its a mad man driving crazy on the streets...Before she could get half her words out she yelled out "OH MY GOD" and her call dropped.. We rushed out of the house down the street to find out this young man had been shot and killed by the police...But it was a relief to find out that it was him and not her... I;m not saying that its a joy when anyone is killed or even hurt..But I thank GOD that it wasn't my sister who was shot or even ran over by the police or the young man.. My children were just in minutes to get out of school. It could've been them or me. Or anybody at that.... To you Msvie. I understand your point of view...But if your going to defined this man you must be prepared for others and how strongly we feel...Say for example the children where out of school and a child was walking accross the street just as this man goes rampaging down the street... Would your arguement be this strong? or even if he had survived this and someone else died what would your feelings be then? Nobody is downing you but where questioning your reasoning in this.... You say his mother passed...Its obvious he had a life of struggle but who hasn't...This is the main reason why we must pray...Our youth needs help, but the problem is that most of us are all talk...We see the issue and yet choose not to do anything because we really don't want to get envolved because of the fear that soceity has put in that if you say something to these kids today you'll get shot down, or how so many are disrespectful.. But what truely is the answer? I say prayer and taking a stand for our communties... 
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 07:22 — Guess what? MSVIE is WRONG!
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Guess what? MSVIE is WRONG! This criminal was not shot in the head, AND further more his mother isn't dead... don't ask me how I know, but those are the facts!
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 17:12 — This forum has clearly
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This forum has clearly gotten out of hand.
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 18:36 — FORUM OUT OF HAND
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AGREED.IT'S TO BAD SOME PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND,OK SO I WRITE IN CAPS AND YES EVEN BOLD! DON'T FEEL LIKE I NEED TO EXPAIN MY HEALTH ISSUE'S I HAVE, IF I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY  AND  IF IT OFFENDS PEOPLE WELL SO BE IT! DON'T TAKE IT SO PERSONAL AND AS FOR NAME CALLING OR WHATEVER I HAVE SAID WHAT I HAD TO SAY HERE,JUST A SHAME THAT SOME ADULTS  ARE STILL A CHILD IN THERE MINDS,BUT HEY MAYBE WE ALL HAVE SOME KIND OF HEALTH ISSUES.
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 19:17 — Lol!!!  Isn't that the
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Lol!!!  Isn't that the truth!!!  We all have our issues, that's for sure.  Don't let anyone on here rattle you.  It's not worth your time.  Sorry for your loss as well.
Fri, 06/13/2008 - 19:41 — Clearly you're the one
Kawigurl
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Clearly you're the one having a hard time understanding things! I think you just want to pick a fight. I have explained everything I said very clearly because I know how some people get confused :)
Sat, 06/14/2008 - 22:41 — KAW
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NO I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK A FIGHT WITH ANYONE ONLY SPOKE WHAT WAS ON MY MIND JUST AS U AND OTHERS DO NO I DON'T THINK HE WAS RIGHT THINK I DID SAY THAT AND WE WERE VERY LUCKY NO ONE ELSE  GOT HURT OR KILLED BECAUSE OF HIS CHOICE'S .NO KAW I AM NOT CONFUSED AND PAIN AND SIMPLE I'M AM TIRED OF YOUR E-MAILS,BUT IT IS AN OPEN FORUM SO YOU SAY WHAT YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE SAID JUST AS I WILL AND OTHER WILL TO! I DO HOPE YOU GET THAT, SO BACK AT YA  AS IT SEEMS YOU THINK I'M CONFUSED NO I'M NOT BUT NO NEED TO EXPAIN TO YOU .GOD KEEP ALL OF US SAFE AMEN TO TO THAT.
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 12:06 — KAW
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KAW FOR A FACT HIS MOM HAS PASSED JUST AFTER HIS GRAND MOTHER YES I DO KNOW THIS FOR A FACT! SO NO I'M NOT WRONG THERE THE POINT WAS BLAMING PARENTS AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE MAYBE U MISSED IT WE CAN TRY TO TEACH OUR KIDS RIGHT FROM WRONG SOME WILL GET IT OTHERS WONT,AND EVEN THO WE THINK THEY DO GET IT AND THINK THEY UNDERSTAND ONCE THEY WALK OUT THAT DOOR THEY WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT,AS JR DID! I SAY THIS EVEN WITH MY OWN KIDS OK SO MINE ARE ADULTS NOW,NEVER THE LESS UNDERSTAND KAW WHEN THEY WALK OUT OF THE HOUSE WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL OF THERE ACTIONS.SO I DONT KNOW WHERE U GOT YOUR INFO FROM BUT THATS  I WILL CALL YOU I WAS THERE WHEN HIS MOTHERS BODY WAS TAKEN AWAY DUE TO HEALTH PROBLEMS.BUT I THINK YOU HAVE YOUR MIND MADE UP ALREADY AND THATS YOUR RIGHT EVEN THO YOU ARE WRONG! ADIOS AM DONE WITH YOU ON THIS 1!